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Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 19:30:10 No.50837238 View View Reply Original Report

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how bad is gen 1 spritework really?
like this seems pretty amateurish

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 19:38:04 No.50837291 Report

Quoted By: >>50838325

Honestly really bad and I don't really know why considering in 1997 almost year after the american release of Red and Blue they made way better sprites for the Kanto Mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 19:38:38 No.50837293 Report

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>>50837238
some sprites are really good. gyarados and mewtwo come to mind. others look awful. all around, the quality is all over the place

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 19:41:12 No.50837308 Report

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GF are just incompetent devs that got lucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 19:50:08 No.50837371 Report

Quoted By: >>50842040

they were basically amateurs when they made gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 20:12:53 No.50837520 Report

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>>50837238
They didn't even have desings settled for them until Ken Sugimori made artwork after the sprites were made

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 20:16:08 No.50837545 Report

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>>50837238
a lot of them look terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 20:22:54 No.50837582 Report

Quoted By: >>50837669 >>50841694 >>50841943

>>50837238
The backsprites look okay until you blow them up to four times the size. I think there were going for a depth of field / blur effect, while also fitting 350 sprites (including trainer classes) the game on a 1 MB cartridge.
I commend them for trying on this one, even though I never liked the look, even as a kid.
Gen 2 cartridges have twice the space, so this was dropped soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 20:35:51 No.50837669 Report

Quoted By: >>50838028 >>50839719

>>50837582
>I think there were going for a depth of field / blur effect,
dumbest zoomerpost I have read today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 21:31:43 No.50838028 Report

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>>50837669
that's literally the purpose

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 21:34:11 No.50838042 Report

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>>50837238
Look at the original Red and Green sprites.

Some of those are horrifying

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 21:40:06 No.50838086 Report

Quoted By: >>50838234

>>50837238
it's a mixed bag, some a re really great, others are very physically awkward and poorly made. if you add in the green sprites and the beta sprites it makes a pretty cool gradient of someone(s?) improving their spriting skills over the course of development.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:07:19 No.50838234 Report

Quoted By: >>50838453 >>50841025

>>50838086
Yellow had the best sprites, true

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:20:27 No.50838313 Report

Quoted By: >>50838452

>>50837238
Here's a list of games that came out leading up to Pokemon Red/Green adultlet.

Judge Dredd 27-Oct-95
Mahou Kishi Rayearth 2nd: The Missing Colors 27-Oct-95
NBA Jam: Tournament Edition 27-Oct-95
Matthias Sammer Soccer 24-Nov-95
J-League Big Wave Soccer JP
Ninku Dai-2-Tama: Ninku Sensouhen 24-Nov-95
Wedding Peach: Jamapii Panic 8-Dec-95
Kirby's Block Ball 14-Dec-95
Prehistorik Man 22-Dec-95
Tokyo Disneyland: Mickey no Cinderella Shiro Mystery Tour 22-Dec-95
Nintama Rantarō GB 27-Dec-95
Block Kuzushi GB 29-Dec-95
Pocket Monsters Green 27-Feb-96
Pokémon Red Version 27-Feb-96

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:22:20 No.50838325 Report

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>>50837291
I think you answered your own question.
They made money. They spent it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:40:14 No.50838452 Report

Quoted By: >>50838465

>>50838313
ok but did you have a point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:40:20 No.50838453 Report

Quoted By: >>50838460

>>50838234
if we're extending to yellow then they too are an interesting gradient of skill growth into gsc. they have a lot of the style of gsc, the heavy use of solid colour compared to red and blue, a lot of more dynamic poses, but also still some that are less skilful drawings in the odder gen 1 poses. i hope one day we can attach names to individual sprites and track the individual artists progression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:41:16 No.50838460 Report

Quoted By: >>50838681

>>50838453
doesnt yellow forego dithering in favor of solid colors like the anime?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:41:53 No.50838465 Report

Quoted By: >>50838486

>>50838452
Yeah.
They all suck ass.
Like OP.
You'd probably have to be over the threshold for retardation to connect the dots and find the 'hidden' meaning here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 22:44:11 No.50838486 Report

Quoted By: >>50839410

>>50838465
lmao what? people had been drawing sprites since the 80s, just because you changed console suddenly all artists got crippling shittydrawing-itis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2022 23:16:40 No.50838681 Report

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>>50838460
yeah it is definitely more animelike, and more on model with anime mons for the key ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:07:16 No.50839387 Report

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>>50837238
Most of them are perfectly fine. The sprites were the original designs and Sugimori only made the artwork for a 1996 pokedex book and those were the designs that stuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:12:11 No.50839410 Report

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>>50838486
Pokemons sprites were a lot more detailed than most Gameboy titles. Only a few games like Donkey Kong 94 (even then it's really the title screen) had that much detail since most games on the thing tended to be simple in spritework like Pokemons overworld. That and Pokemon was easily one of the greatest Gameboy titles and the fact that they were able to make an even better game a few years later is dedication.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:14:25 No.50839421 Report

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>>50837238
Everyone need to start somewhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:15:38 No.50839430 Report

Quoted By: >>50839515

They're bad but given how ambitious gen 1 really was can you really fault them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:33:16 No.50839515 Report

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>>50839430
This, it's better than the boring as fuck 3D models they've been recycling for 9 years.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:37:36 No.50839527 Report

Quoted By: >>50839804

>>50837238
Gen I Charmeleon back sprite... home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:38:38 No.50839530 Report

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>>50837238
Its called peak Soul faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 01:44:56 No.50839562 Report

Quoted By: >>50839672

>>50837238
It’s pretty bad. A lot of it isn’t even on-model. The crazy thing is that they somehow went from the worst to the best in terms of sprites (Gen 2 has the best sprites in the series).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 02:09:13 No.50839672 Report

Quoted By: >>50839733

>>50839562
>A lot of it isn’t even on-model.
iirc the sprites were designed first then the art. That was also the norm back then, Atlus did the same with SMT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 02:16:02 No.50839719 Report

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>>50837669
>DURRR HURRRRRR UR A _OOMER
Actually contribute to the conversation or fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 02:19:27 No.50839733 Report

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>>50839672
That makes sense. With limited technology, it'd be a shame to have an overambitious art piece you couldn't remotely capture in a sprite.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 02:37:12 No.50839804 Report

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>>50839527
he grew so much... I never liked his Gold sprite though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 02:45:16 No.50839849 Report

Quoted By: >>50840814 >>50841050

Red and Green's dev team was so small that even the non-artists had to pitch in making mon sprites, which is why some of them have an amateur look. For example, when Shigeki Morimoto decided to sneak Mew into the game, he made the sprite himself and it came out like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 02:48:13 No.50839861 Report

Quoted By: >>50840780

>>50837238
Back then, GameFreak really was just a small indie company.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 07:13:08 No.50840780 Report

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>>50839861
prease undeestand

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 07:26:40 No.50840814 Report

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>>50839849
This sprite is great though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 07:35:52 No.50840840 Report

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Some of it is pretty good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 08:27:12 No.50840935 Report

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>>50837238
>this seems pretty amateurish
?? maybe because it is, GF were amateurs retardanon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 08:37:10 No.50840953 Report

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ITT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 09:05:30 No.50841025 Report

Quoted By: >>50841093

>>50838234
most yellow sprites look fucking awful dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 09:29:59 No.50841050 Report

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>>50839849
>pureaze undersutandu. sumoru india kompani

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 09:59:08 No.50841093 Report

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>>50841025
prove it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 11:19:15 No.50841236 Report

Quoted By:

>>50837238
Unironicly still looks better then new pokemon designs in "HD" modles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 13:03:28 No.50841597 Report

Quoted By: >>50842202

>>50837238
Have you played many 8-bit RPGs? Because Gen 1 looks right at home with them. It's easy to shit on Gen 1 sprites but:
>they're the original designs, the designs we know and love didn't come later
>they were designed for a small screen, not to be blown up on a big monitor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 13:12:04 No.50841652 Report

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>>50837238
The sprites were made before any official art, so they look fine for that. They were making JRPG monsters, not a bunch of plush toys unified under a single style.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 13:21:25 No.50841694 Report

Quoted By: >>50841741 >>50842324 >>50842801

>>50837582
fuck you hell no i had no idea wtf i was looking at when i saw the backsprite of venusaur on my GBC

looked like a frog with a pine cone up its ass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 13:29:02 No.50841741 Report

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>>50841694
You were looking at the back of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 14:23:35 No.50841943 Report

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>>50837582
no the backsprites were small because they didnt have the compression techniques and space without it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 14:43:01 No.50842040 Report

Quoted By: >>50842221 >>50842233 >>50842326

>>50837371
They still are lol, the last game they made that was impressive on the system was black/white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:08:50 No.50842202 Report

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>>50841597
The SaGa/Final Fantasy Legend games on the Game Boy which came out much earlier had pretty good sprites and many late NES games just blow it out of the water graphically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:11:19 No.50842221 Report

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>>50842040
black and white was the worst game though, the sprites look terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:13:23 No.50842233 Report

Quoted By: >>50842238

>>50842040
already you can seethe but it was actually USUM
and BW was not exactly impressive, lol. using sprites for overworld characters... in a fully 3D environnement. If that doesn't look like shit, don't know what does
I'll strongly agree on the "they still are amateurs" part

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:14:10 No.50842238 Report

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>>50842233
I don't think you know what amateur means

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:28:38 No.50842306 Report

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OP here

I am very disappointed in all of you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:31:37 No.50842324 Report

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>>50841694
i always saw this as that gay devil guy from Powerpuff Girls as a kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:32:11 No.50842326 Report

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>>50842040
And even then the sprites look pretty bad, they fucked themselves over by animating them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:38:46 No.50842368 Report

Quoted By: >>50842395 >>50842832

>>50837238
They've never been particularly good at this, their work always pales in comparison to their contemporaries. Chrono Trigger came out a year before Red and Blue and KoFXIII came out the same year as Black and White. Their spritework is nothing short of embarrassing, it's no wonder that they switched to 3D models.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 15:42:07 No.50842395 Report

Quoted By: >>50843302

>>50842368
>SNES game
>PS3 game
I hope this is bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 16:43:36 No.50842801 Report

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>>50841694
Looks like a fucking green Slowbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 16:44:46 No.50842813 Report

Quoted By:

>>50837238
Yellow sprites are pretty good for the GB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 16:47:51 No.50842832 Report

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>>50842368
as the other anon said, better be bait.
but you are right, their work USUALLY pales in comparison to their contemporaries.
it wasn't the case on the GB/GBC or even the 3DS really

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2022 17:57:07 No.50843302 Report

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>>50842395
you literally start red and blue with a SNES in your
room which you can play on.
It's like they knew.

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