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Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 21:45:34 No.50862077 View View Reply Original Report

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how many layers do you set up?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 21:52:55 No.50862111 Report

Quoted By: >>50862705 >>50864876

>>50862077
like,, maybe 1, or 2 right now. my dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 23:01:45 No.50862492 Report

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>>50862077
Just one until my opponent's spinner or defogger is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 23:02:35 No.50862498 Report

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>smogon ractics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 23:25:24 No.50862580 Report

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>>50862077
Depends.

In Random battles, almost never more than 1, until partway through the battle, and I've either killed their spinner/defogger, or determined they don't have one.

Otherwise, I prefer 1 layer of spikes, and either Stealth Rock or Toxic Spikes.

Too many layers of spikes gets too inflexible, most of the time, I find.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 23:47:32 No.50862669 Report

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>>50862077
The situation matters but 1 is really all you need

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 23:56:25 No.50862705 Report

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>>50862111
you are like a little baby. watch this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jul 2022 23:57:16 No.50862708 Report

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Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 04:56:14 No.50863841 Report

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>>50862077
1 layer of stealth rocks. 1 layer of sticky webs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 05:06:27 No.50863878 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 05:14:09 No.50863898 Report

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>>50862077
3 spikes
2 toxic spikes
sneaky pebbles
sticky web
steel spikes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 09:35:23 No.50864679 Report

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>>50862077
3 layers of spikes
1 layer of stealth rocks
1 layer of max steelspike

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 10:08:53 No.50864794 Report

Quoted By: >>50865221

Against Charizard?

3 layers of spike (-1/4 of max HP)
1 layer of stealh rock (-1/2 of max HP)
2 layers of toxic spike (-1/8 -1/16 of max HP)
1 layer of g-max steelsurge (-1/16 of max HP)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 10:43:08 No.50864876 Report

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>>50862111
>have goofy hover-in-place animations for a bunch of flying mons that previously just stood on their legs
>can't have ferrothorn hanging from an invisible ceiling

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 10:47:36 No.50864894 Report

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>>50862077
You tell me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 11:17:18 No.50864988 Report

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>>50862077
3 toxic spikes
3 spikes
1 stealth rock
ice beam the defoger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 11:36:29 No.50865066 Report

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>>50862077
I never understood this meme.
t. exclusively single-player enjoyer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 11:37:50 No.50865073 Report

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>>50865066
>single player

poor guy, limiting yourself to only half the movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 11:42:04 No.50865082 Report

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>>50865066
In competitive Pokemon, switching is a really strong strategy.
Hazards like spikes and stealth rock do damage to opponents when they switch.
Since a lot of switching happens, the damage builds up a lot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 12:19:31 No.50865221 Report

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>>50864794
>Against Charizard?
>3 layers of spike (-1/4 of max HP)
>2 layers of toxic spike (-1/8 -1/16 of max HP)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 15:06:33 No.50865963 Report

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>>50865221

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 15:09:41 No.50865980 Report

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I cannot wait for the day we get a multihit fire move and I can nuke this faggot bug, same with galvantula

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 15:12:02 No.50865994 Report

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>>50863841
Gigabased

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 20:42:15 No.50867765 Report

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>>50863841
Is Shuckle the best hazardmon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 21:11:46 No.50867923 Report

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>>50867765
>no hard feelings kid

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jul 2022 21:56:27 No.50868238 Report

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>>50867923
>heh... nice try...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 06:11:58 No.50870226 Report

Quoted By: >>50870388 >>50870426 >>50870959

>>50864679
Stallgon will defend this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 07:00:19 No.50870318 Report

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>>50862077
Usually 1. So easy to remove hazards in gen 6+ and a lot of stuff is just immune to them.
1 spike is still really good because it takes 1 turn to defog 1 spike. So you spend 1 turn-> get damage on every non-immune switch until they can safely get in their defogger -> get a free turn as they defog.
However, you need to spend more turns to get >1 layer, even though it still takes only 1 turn to clear them. I really only get extra layers if I know I can prevent removal, spikes hits all their stuff, or if I simply have nothing better I can do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 07:29:07 No.50870388 Report

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>>50870226
>a pokemon instantly dying is stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 07:39:56 No.50870426 Report

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>>50870226
Hazard setup is in fact an offensive play.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 11:46:22 No.50870952 Report

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*priority taunts your path*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 11:48:21 No.50870959 Report

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>>50870226
entry hazards are anti-stall, faggot. They punish the other player for constantly switching out and playing too defensively. Fast sweepers don't give a fuck about chip damage unless they're sashed. And without entry hazards, sashes would be absolute fucking cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 11:52:35 No.50870974 Report

Quoted By: >>50870986

>>50870426
>>50870959
Doing damage without attacking is literally the definition of stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 11:54:58 No.50870986 Report

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>>50870974
entry hazards encourage fast offensive play because they punish defensive STALLING strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 11:57:47 No.50871001 Report

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>>50870986
Fast offensive play is actually fucking attacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 11:58:25 No.50871006 Report

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>>50871001
which isn't punished by entry hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:09:04 No.50871049 Report

Quoted By: >>50871055 >>50871056

>>50871006
A turn you send putting your fruity pebbles on the field is a turn you're not spending killing your opponent.
That's stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:10:38 No.50871055 Report

Quoted By: >>50871069

>>50871049
entry hazards punish defensive stalling strategies while not doing much to offensive strategies. Entry hazards are pretty much the biggest weakness to stall teams, and it's why they put so much importance on spinning away hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:11:37 No.50871056 Report

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>>50871049
by that logic fucking swords dance is stalling

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:15:39 No.50871069 Report

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>>50871055
How else are stallfags supposed to beat other stallfags?

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Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:17:03 No.50871071 Report

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>>50862077
>kill the defogger
>ENTER FORRETRESS
>def and sdef EVs
>sdef+ satk- nature
>occa berry
>stealth rocks
>spikes
>poison spikes
>spikes
>poison spikes
>spikes
>explosion

Kneel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:19:23 No.50871078 Report

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>>50871069
The stallerfag will win

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:34:03 No.50871125 Report

Quoted By: >>50871319

Hazards are stupid and discourage actual strategy. If i could add just one item to pokemon it would be one that prevents hazards from being used by any mon the whole battle even if the holder faints.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:35:41 No.50871128 Report

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>>50862077
i play vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 12:36:49 No.50871131 Report

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None. I play formats where entry hazards just aren't any good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2022 13:28:56 No.50871319 Report

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>>50871125
Hazards discourage thoughtless switching and punish stall.

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