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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:17:02 No.50878174 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>50878246 >>50878257 >>50879044 >>50879804 >>50879886 >>50880809 >>50881414 >>50881444 >>50881480 >>50881740 >>50883081 >>50883786 >>50883840 >>50884175

Post good mon, nerfed by their type and ability

This guy got me silvers in frontier, but his type is just too shit, with 4 weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:30:14 No.50878246 Report

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>>50878174
kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:32:19 No.50878257 Report

Quoted By: >>50878290 >>50878293 >>50878348 >>50878363 >>50879033 >>50880826 >>50881414 >>50882988 >>50883529 >>50884483

>>50878174
>good mon
It's slow, has mediocre stats in everything but HP, and downright bad Speed. It was bad even without the ability. The only things that could make it viable are Swift Swim and/or Adaptability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:38:55 No.50878290 Report

Quoted By: >>50879593

>>50878257
It has literally better Clefable stats. If it was Water-Fairy and had a top tier defensive/support ability it would be great

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:39:23 No.50878293 Report

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>>50878257
>530
>same stats as swampert -5

If you turned this to electric water like lanturn with volt absorb it'd be the best mon in hoenn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:50:04 No.50878348 Report

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>>50878257
Adaptability would be interestin...
>No Aqua Jet
>No Ice Shard
>No Freeze-Dry
.....Frost Breath is okay I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 16:53:08 No.50878363 Report

Quoted By: >>50878985

>>50878257
Adaptability would be interestin...
>No Aqua Jet
>No Flip Turn
>No Ice Shard
>No Freeze-Dry
.....Frost Breath is okay I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 18:39:52 No.50878985 Report

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>>50878363
>No Freeze-Dry
no fucking way. you're lying. I hope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 18:46:35 No.50879033 Report

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>>50878257
all it needs is slack off.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 18:48:43 No.50879044 Report

Quoted By: >>50879557

>>50878174
WHY THE FUCK A MASIVE pokemon that uses TUSKS as main attack has so much sp attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 20:26:50 No.50879557 Report

Quoted By: >>50879664

>>50879044
Sceptile syndrome. A pre-physical/special split mon designed for physical attacks but STABs only worked on special attack, so they had to make it usable which aged poorly in later gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 20:34:33 No.50879593 Report

Quoted By: >>50879657 >>50879789

>>50878290
>If it has an unfair type and ability it would be good
Well damn how did you figure that anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 20:47:16 No.50879657 Report

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>>50879593
>Water/Fairy is UNFAIR
holy shit the absolute state

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 20:48:41 No.50879664 Report

Quoted By: >>50879931

>>50879557
But plenty of other pokemon (Gyarados, Kingler, Sneasel, Absol, Crawdaunt, etc) have high physical attack despite being special types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 21:14:01 No.50879789 Report

Quoted By: >>50881739

>>50879593
>fairy
>unfair
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 21:17:10 No.50879804 Report

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>>50878174
Ice water would be pretty great if it was faster.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 21:36:37 No.50879886 Report

Quoted By: >>50879938

>>50878174
atleast it gets super fang for not having freeze dry or scald.

im also pretty sure this guy should get slack off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 21:44:56 No.50879931 Report

Quoted By: >>50879965 >>50880029

>>50879664
Thats why I said "Sceptile syndrome". It would be hard to use if it couldn't use it's STABs effectively at the time. I don't think any third stage in Gen 3 struggled to use their STAB aside from the early-bugs(intentional shitmons).
>Gyarados
Flying is a physical type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 21:45:56 No.50879938 Report

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>>50879886
Every single ice type, and only ice types, should get freeze dry, so it's not another ice beam where every single water pokemon and some more learn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 21:50:15 No.50879965 Report

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>>50879931
To be fair Gyarados didnt learn any flying moves other than Hidden Power until after the split

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:01:36 No.50880029 Report

Quoted By: >>50880056 >>50880100 >>50880129

>>50879931
>3rd stages
Gengar would be an example of the reverse, high special but both stabs are physical. Shiftry if you for some reason want specifically a gen 3 example.
>Flying is a physical type.
But Gyarados didn't (and still doesn't) actually learn any Flying moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:03:33 No.50880041 Report

Quoted By: >>50880045

ICE should resist normal and take neutral damage from rock and water and fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:04:09 No.50880045 Report

Quoted By: >>50882924

>>50880041
>nerfing normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:06:11 No.50880056 Report

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>>50880029
gyara is a scitzo gen 1 mon so they gave power whip in one of the never gens. its brave but its defo not a bird

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:07:59 No.50880067 Report

Quoted By: >>50880073 >>50881761

why does this guy learn power whip

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:09:30 No.50880073 Report

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>>50880067
It's a frog so maybe it whips with its tongue? Lickitung gets it too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:14:25 No.50880100 Report

Quoted By: >>50880161

>>50880029
To be "fair," there were only 2 Ghost moves in gen 1, one of which dealt fixed damage and the other being Lick, so even if Ghost was special Gengar wouldn't be using it anyways. It straight up doesn't get any offensive Poison moves, either.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:19:56 No.50880129 Report

Quoted By: >>50880161

>>50880029
>Shiftry if you for some reason want specifically a gen 3 example.
False. 90 special attack + Chlorophyll makes it a decent SunnyBeam user. It can use one of it's STABs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2022 22:26:39 No.50880161 Report

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>>50880100
>instead of making a special ghost attack for the one ghost type in our game that also has very high special we're only going to make one shitty ghost attack based on licking for some fucking reason so that all ghost moves are now physically based
>and God only knows why but we won't even give it to Lickitung, Gengar and Jynx get instead

Making an even more retarded series of decisions doesn't excuse the original issue.

>>50880129
I didn't say its special attack wasn't decent, the point is that its physical attack is still the higher stat. Sceptile and Walrein also have decent physical attack but the original start of this discussion was anon complaining about their special being higher despite their designs looking more like a physical attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 00:14:26 No.50880809 Report

Quoted By:

>>50878174
I don't find this Pokémon to be particularly exciting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 00:18:46 No.50880826 Report

Quoted By: >>50881234 >>50881360

>>50878257
>Swift Swim
>Adaptability
>On a clearly 110/90/90 bulk Pokemon meant for defensive purposes
Nigger why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 01:35:59 No.50881234 Report

Quoted By: >>50881614

>>50880826
Because no amount of bulk is going to make Ice/Water not defensively trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 02:02:55 No.50881360 Report

Quoted By: >>50881614

>>50880826
>Ice type
>Defensive
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 02:11:14 No.50881414 Report

Quoted By: >>50881686

>>50878174
>>50878257
I don't get the point of this thread
>if this pokemon didn't have traits that make it shit then it would be good
was anyone contesting that? why is this worth talking about?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 02:17:13 No.50881444 Report

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>>50878174
>with 4 weaknesses
That's nothing compared to my favorite Ice-type Pokémon. Also unlike Walrein Game Freak likes to skimp out on special Rock-type moves so most of the time it's a choice between either Ancient Power or Meteor Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 02:25:06 No.50881480 Report

Quoted By:

>>50878174
needs solid rock ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 02:53:04 No.50881614 Report

Quoted By: >>50881743 >>50882224

>>50881234
>>50881360
>110/90/90
>Not bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:09:21 No.50881686 Report

Quoted By: >>50881719

>>50881414
This pokemon is good tho. Its 530 with great stats for gen 3. Its just the weakneses are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:16:01 No.50881719 Report

Quoted By: >>50881887

>>50881686
>530
BST isn't everything as stat distribution also matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:22:08 No.50881739 Report

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>>50879789
He's correct

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:22:28 No.50881740 Report

Quoted By: >>50884160

>>50878174
Well? happy now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:23:31 No.50881743 Report

Quoted By: >>50881923

>>50881614
>Ice resists only 1 type
>A type that Water already resists
>And it brings a weakness to Rock and Fighting while getting rid of Water's resistances to Fire and Steel
It's... shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:28:51 No.50881761 Report

Quoted By:

>>50880067
It also gets Grass Knot and Sludge Bomb. Seismitoad has basically every move it needs to be a special sweeper except for Ice Beam. Weather Ball + Earth Power + Grass Knot/Focus Blast/Icy Wind/Sludge Bomb give it amazing rain sweeping potential, but it just doesn't have the power to bust down the likes of Dragapult with Icy Wind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 03:58:00 No.50881887 Report

Quoted By: >>50882197

>>50881719
It has pretty good distribution. -10 attack and +10 special attack and it'd be a great bulky special attacker were it not for its terrible typing. For the time, 95 SpA was actually pretty okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 04:05:58 No.50881923 Report

Quoted By: >>50881949

>>50881743
>OMG MAKE IT AND ITS MEDIOCRE OFFENSIVE STATS SO EPIC WITH ADAPTABILITY
Elo, Now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 04:12:41 No.50881949 Report

Quoted By:

>>50881923
Adaptability is a huge enough boost to turn mediocre offensive stats into great ones. Just look at Nidoking with Sheer Force. That's only a 1.3x boost instead of 1.5x, and it has even lower SpA

Sheer Force would honestly fit Walrein more than Adaptability thematically. The issue is that of movepool and typing. Water/Ice is just a shit type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 05:18:31 No.50882197 Report

Quoted By: >>50884669

>>50881887
kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 05:25:15 No.50882224 Report

Quoted By:

>>50881614
Those are bulk stats, but its type only holds it back in the bulk department.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 09:16:19 No.50882924 Report

Quoted By:

>>50880045
>not nerfing normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 09:34:57 No.50882988 Report

Quoted By: >>50883274

>>50878257
>Mediocre stats except HP
>Stat average for fully evolved Pokemon is fucking 80
Anon, it has literally 2 stats that aren't notably above average (which are the stats it doesn't give a fuck about anyways) and 1 of them is still on par. I fucking hate retards who think competitive mainstays are the standard for what's actually average in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 10:00:09 No.50883081 Report

Quoted By:

>>50878174
>his
>50% female

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 10:26:16 No.50883274 Report

Quoted By:

>>50882988
>nooo you can't call it mediocre, its stats are almost perfectly average!
What do you think mediocre means retard?
>(which are the stats it doesn't give a fuck about anyways)
With very few exceptions, every Pokemon cares about speed. It's the single most important stat in the game. Especially for Ice types who need high speed to make up for their poor defensive matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 10:34:47 No.50883367 Report

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Just buff the ice type and he would be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 10:54:44 No.50883529 Report

Quoted By:

>>50878257
Its stats are good (530 bst is nothing to scoff at). 110/90/90 bulk is also great. Just its typing is bad and its movepool is mediocre. Really wish it got something like scald, freeze dry, slack off, flip turn. Could at least do something in the lower tiers. Least it's top tier in pokemon go pvp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 11:29:49 No.50883786 Report

Quoted By: >>50884068

>>50878174
Four weaknesses is not bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 11:37:47 No.50883840 Report

Quoted By:

>>50878174
Some of you have never lost to Stallrein and it shows

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 12:14:42 No.50884068 Report

Quoted By: >>50884166

>>50883786
It's less about the weaknesses and more about what the weaknesses are.
Grass and electric are pretty common, fighting is extremely common, and a rock weakness means it's losing 1/4 of its HP for having the nerve to switch in. This is without reliable recovery.
Plus, Ice really just doesn't add anything to Water defensively. Just a 4x ice resist compared to a 2x ice resist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 12:36:17 No.50884160 Report

Quoted By:

>>50881740
fuck no it's unusable now you fucking retard
better spread is
>120
>50
>90
>115
>90
>65

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 12:37:18 No.50884166 Report

Quoted By:

>>50884068
>and a rock weakness means it's losing 1/4 of its HP for having the nerve to switch in
god I hate Gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 12:39:24 No.50884175 Report

Quoted By: >>50884299

>>50878174
give it slack off, flip turn and freeze dry and it'll skyrocket from bad to decent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 12:59:53 No.50884299 Report

Quoted By:

>>50884175
no, it'll skyrocket from very bad to mediocre
but you're right

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 13:30:10 No.50884483 Report

Quoted By: >>50884676 >>50884688

>>50878257
>Mediocre stats

80 attack = bit on the low side
90 Def = solid
95 Sp Attack = pretty good
90 Sp Defence = Solid
65 Speed = very bad

It's stats are fine, you're the kid that battled with a full team of pseudos aren't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 13:57:39 No.50884669 Report

Quoted By:

>>50882197
You first

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 13:59:38 No.50884676 Report

Quoted By:

>>50884483
I'm the kid who made a rain team with Ferrothorn and won all the school tournaments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 14:00:47 No.50884688 Report

Quoted By: >>50884944

>>50884483
95 special attack isn't pretty good. I wouldn't say it's bad either, it's just okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 14:01:23 No.50884695 Report

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buff ice defensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 14:45:04 No.50884944 Report

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>>50884688
95 would've been solid with a boosting ability. If Nidoking made 85 work, a mon thats bulky enough to afford a Modest nature would be even scarier.
Shame Walrein doesn't get Freeze-Dry though.

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