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Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:15:29 No.50888237 View View Reply Original Report

Why is gen 5’s spritework so bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:16:49 No.50888242 Report

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small indie company
please understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:16:56 No.50888243 Report

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>>50888237
The rent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:20:36 No.50888278 Report

Quoted By: >>50888282 >>50890623 >>50892235

>>50888237
That redone one looks like shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:20:55 No.50888282 Report

Quoted By: >>50890846

>>50888278
hi joe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:22:09 No.50888290 Report

Quoted By: >>50890079

>>50888237
I believe it was done to accommodate triple battle and just make animations easier to do. I don't think it looks particularly bad. I find them much more expressive than most gen 3 or 4 backstreets anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:30:28 No.50888375 Report

Quoted By: >>50890067

>>50888237
It's supposed to invoke a feeling of looking like Gen 1, where the closer Pokemon's sprite's pixels were groups of 4. At the time it was a fun piece of nostalgia.
>all new Pokedex of 150+ Pokemon you've never seen before
>the close sprite is blocky
couple with the obvious parallels between gen 1 and gen 5 pokemon lines and the entire game was meant to feel new, but also deeply familiar. We obviously know from hindsight that by being okay with Gen 1 pandering they'd ratchet it up continuously, but at the time at least the games felt and played great. Gen 5 is arguably my favorite gen overall and the sprite work definitely contributes to it.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:35:30 No.50888419 Report

Quoted By: >>50888422

>>50888237
So can you show the right animated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:35:54 No.50888422 Report

Quoted By: >>50890874 >>50896761

>>50888419
give me millions of dollars like game freak and I will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:37:49 No.50888442 Report

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>>50888237
Right one while higher res and arguably better, lacks consistency and detail. Why not make it good instead of slightly less shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:40:08 No.50888460 Report

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>>50888237
Because Unova is too busy keeping their KANTOian oppressors out to focus on looking pretty for (you)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:41:30 No.50888468 Report

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>>50888237
Why is it not animated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Jul 2022 22:42:31 No.50888472 Report

Quoted By: >>50890067

>>50888237
The pixelated back sprites are a homage to gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 02:50:27 No.50890067 Report

Quoted By: >>50890359

>>50888375
>>50888472
>it’s supposed to look like an outdated piece of shit!
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 02:51:55 No.50890079 Report

Quoted By: >>50890368

>>50888290
Yeah, this. It's the movements that look like dog shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 03:59:06 No.50890352 Report

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>>50888237
Literally does not make a difference due to the tiny ass screen on the DS. On something like the Switch it'd be far more noticeable and worthwhile going the extra mile for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 03:59:36 No.50890359 Report

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>>50890067
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 04:01:17 No.50890368 Report

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>>50890079
Yeah, blown up its far more noticeable but when you're playing on actual hardware as a kid you barely notice. In fact I'd say the rixels aren't even that bad having just replayed it on my N3ds a few weeks ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 04:03:44 No.50890378 Report

Quoted By: >>50890403 >>50890664 >>50892163 >>50893123 >>50893133 >>50898636 >>50899523

>>50888237
Because BW/B2W2 are not good games. and the only people who like them are contrarians or zoomies whos first introduction to the franchise is unova.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 04:09:35 No.50890403 Report

Quoted By: >>50890418 >>50890437

>>50890378
they're good games. they're just based on a cursed land with rampant demonic possession, the United States and New York. so it was destined to fail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 04:12:05 No.50890418 Report

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>>50890403
Why is america so disgusting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 04:16:57 No.50890437 Report

Quoted By: >>50890713 >>50892201

>>50890403
>they're good games
Why?
The animations and sprites aren't good.
The "gimmick (rotation battles) isn't good.
The story is convoluted and so beyond salvaging that apologists literally have to use the "2deep4u" argument.
Unova is probably the most linear region, outside of alola.
Almost no post-game
Some of the worst legendaries and mythics
Failed at being a soft reboot of the franchise
The least popular generation
Worst starters

What about these games are good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 04:51:53 No.50890558 Report

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>>50888237
gen 5 needed them to do animations for every single pokemon with front and back sprites so instead of making one complex but lifeless still image they made several hundred simplistic but animated sprites. Also right looks like shit so you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:09:54 No.50890623 Report

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>>50888278
that’s literally its gen 4 back sprite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:18:53 No.50890664 Report

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>>50890378
Zoomie here. My first Pokemon game was HGSS and I got BW shortly after and played them both simultaneously. They're both good games for different reasons, but I probably prefer BW for its harder difficulty even though HGSS is the much cozier experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:24:55 No.50890690 Report

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>>50888237
In-game, the sprites move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:30:02 No.50890711 Report

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god damn the anti unova trannies sure are getting desperate
nothing on the ds looked that good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:30:44 No.50890713 Report

Quoted By: >>50890757

>>50890437
The animation and sprites are fine, /vp/ is the only place on the internet where this seems to be a major talking point (which really shows who the actual contrarians are.)
Rotation battles are genuinely the best gimmick Pokemon has ever introduced.
The story isn't convoluted at all and it's not even particularly deep, you retards are just legitimate neanderthals.
The region being linear is probably the only somewhat valid criticism, but linear doesn't even necesarily equal bad.
It has plenty of post-game, especially in BW2, the fuck are you talking about?
Subjective opinion
Retarded statement
>muh sales=quality
Subjective opinion

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:42:51 No.50890757 Report

Quoted By: >>50890766 >>50890786 >>50890850 >>50892210

>>50890713
>If I close my eyes and plug my ears, then no one has a problem with them!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:44:37 No.50890766 Report

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>>50890757
>one guy on fucking CBR or whatever
oh no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 05:50:56 No.50890786 Report

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>>50890757
Camden Jones is clearly retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 06:06:36 No.50890846 Report

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>>50888282
whos joe? joe mama?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 06:08:44 No.50890850 Report

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>>50890757
woah a games journalist who’s actually based?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 06:13:04 No.50890864 Report

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>>50888237
gen 1's back sprites were ass too. what the hell???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 06:14:37 No.50890874 Report

Quoted By: >>50896761

>>50888422
>Thinks Game Freak is going to give their games a real budget
And that's why they're running the largest grossing multimedia franchise in history and you're not. Don't waste money for no fucking reason, Mewtwo's a transfer only mon, who gives a shit if its sprite's bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 09:24:51 No.50891370 Report

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>>50888237
What annoys me even more is the constant zooming in battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:09:13 No.50892163 Report

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>>50890378
>Because BW/B2W2 are not good games
But better than all Pokemon games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:16:24 No.50892201 Report

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>>50890437
>The animations and sprites aren't good.
It's a ds game
>The "gimmick (rotation battles) isn't good.
Subjective
>The story is convoluted and so beyond salvaging that apologists literally have to use the "2deep4u" argument.
Better than other Pokemon main game stories
>Unova is probably the most linear region, outside of alola.
Bw2 fix this
>Almost no post-game
Most Retarded I ever heard
Bw2 have the most best content than any other pokemon main game example Pwt, treehollow,join avenue, pokestudios,funfest,battle subway
>Some of the worst legendaries and mythics
Subjective
>Failed at being a soft reboot of the franchise
Gen 5 games is the most downloaded Pokemon game in internet
>The least popular generation
I don't think so
>Worst starters
Subjective

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:17:37 No.50892210 Report

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>>50890757
I'm sorry I'm playing bw2 in Android Emulator not on nds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:23:06 No.50892235 Report

Quoted By: >>50892255

>>50888237
>>50888278
nah, it does look very good.
it's not the retarded way-too-detailed sprites that wouldn't be displayed correctly on the DS like you see usually in this type of bait thread
it's literally a full body version of the HGSS backsprite
which is what GF should have done for Gen 5.
Know why they didn't do that though. Doing backsprites from scratch is hell.
backsprites are usually just done by flipping the frontsprite, changing colors and getting rid of details you shouldn't be able to see

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:26:41 No.50892255 Report

Quoted By: >>50892295

>>50892235
I prefer the full back sprite of bw2 than half back sprite of hgss Because half back sprite is so fucking boring and doesn't make any sense

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:35:54 No.50892295 Report

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>>50892255
I do too, but a full body version of HGSS's backsprite is superior to both
shit like Golem's backsprites just have no quality check though lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:46:51 No.50892367 Report

Quoted By: >>50892386 >>50894563

>>50888237

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:49:59 No.50892386 Report

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>>50892367
fuckin lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 14:52:55 No.50892400 Report

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>>50888237
Cuz we REALLY NEEDED sprites with shitty animations 24/7

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 17:00:15 No.50893123 Report

Quoted By: >>50893126

>>50890378
It’s my favorite Gen and I started with RBY. You dense tasteless shittard

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 17:01:33 No.50893126 Report

Quoted By: >>50893173 >>50893197 >>50894198 >>50896269

>>50893123
it's funny how NPCs always generate the same defenses for gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 17:02:37 No.50893133 Report

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>>50890378
This is one of the reason why I'm quitting Pokemon because of people like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 17:11:38 No.50893173 Report

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>>50893126
Not him but your argument goes both ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 17:16:39 No.50893197 Report

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>>50893126
well that's what happens when you say anybody who likes gen 5 grew up with it and/or a zoomer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 17:21:26 No.50893225 Report

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>>50888237
>technology got better and works better on a $2,000+ PC
Really actives the almonds.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 18:33:48 No.50893782 Report

Quoted By: >>50893793

>>50888237
The DS screens have a resolution of 192p, they look perfectly fine on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 18:35:13 No.50893793 Report

Quoted By: >>50898633

>>50893782
>The DS screens have a resolution of 192p,
Then why are the back sprites blown up to be half the resolution that the DS is capable of?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 18:46:59 No.50893867 Report

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>>50888237
left looks better lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 19:21:51 No.50894087 Report

Quoted By: >>50894132 >>50894563

>>50888237
right would look terrible in Gen 5's battles because of the dynamic zooming/panning/scaling that's constantly going on. It would look like a shimmering mess. There's a reason they kept the chunky look they did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 19:27:35 No.50894132 Report

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>>50894087
the dynamic zooming/panning/scaling looks fucking awful regardless of what sprites they use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 19:38:58 No.50894198 Report

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>>50893126
You will never be the true OG, johtoddler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 20:37:03 No.50894563 Report

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>>50892367
OP btfo
>>50894087
>they made it uglier so that it's not as blatant when otherwise good sprites get ugly because of dynamic zooming/panning/scaling
woah... so this is the power of mental gymnastics

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 20:47:50 No.50894645 Report

Quoted By: >>50894713 >>50894723

>>50888237
It all comes down to the exact same excuse they make every time. The sheer number of Pokemon. They used it to explain the sprite work in gen 5, and then the reused models and animations in gen 6, 7, and 8. But in gen 5, it may have at least made some sense and been true, I guess. The games included every Pokemon and idle movement was new to the games. So they cut corners and used old movements or sprites, and didn't put forth the effort to create new sprites for the majority of the Pokemon. This meant they were going to stick to a specific ratio and not change it for the game. That's what happened in gen 5, and it was almost excusable. Until every gen after that has gotten lazier and lazier and more and more recycled.

At the end of the day all of GF's problems come down to laziness and an inability or an unwillingness to do better. They've been using the same excuses for decades and as time goes on they are less and less applicable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 20:55:38 No.50894713 Report

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>>50894645
>At the end of the day all of GF's problems come down to laziness and an inability or an unwillingness to do better.
truer words have never been said.
>Pokemon having bad movesets
laziness to do an actual list of moves each Pokemon can learn instead of spreading it throughout different means like level up, tm, egg move, etc
>shit level design
sheer laziness
>small region
laziness + unwillingness
>not having actually good textures for the environnment
inability since they don't have people that do good ones in their team + unwillingness to have more people in this very team
>dexcut
unwillingness to make sure every Pokemon work in the games
>shit gimmicks
laziness to put actual content that would draw people towards the game and instead add battle-gimmick marketing stunts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 20:57:05 No.50894723 Report

Quoted By: >>50894812 >>50894827

>>50894645
What's especially weird is that they use that argument now, but it's openly untrue. The argument for Dexit in gen 8 was the sheer number of Pokemon, but the models and the animations were already made. So what the fuck were they complaining about? Why did they do it? Fucking baffling. I'm sick of them hiding behind that argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 21:08:52 No.50894812 Report

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>>50894723
The texture work is probably more effort than it looks. Not to the point of it being undoable, but would the need of a larger team to implement it on the schedule they have. And then keep increasing the number every generation after, and it makes sense why they would want to nip the expectation of this ASAP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 21:10:55 No.50894827 Report

Quoted By: >>50895047

>>50894723
>but the models and the animations were already made
No they weren't. But I'm sure you already know this, BBNDtard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 21:43:28 No.50895047 Report

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>>50894827
>No they weren't.
what did anon mean by this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 21:45:48 No.50895059 Report

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>>50888237
What's wrong with the retro-look?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 21:48:12 No.50895072 Report

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>>50888237
I'm still not buying Sword and Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:44:53 No.50896030 Report

Quoted By: >>50896052

>>50888237
Why is OP so butthurt about gen 5 that she posts the same thread over and over and over again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:48:47 No.50896052 Report

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>>50896030
Because he's Retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:21:26 No.50896269 Report

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>>50893126
my first pokemon game was red and even I think gen 5 is the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:33:04 No.50896332 Report

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>>50888237
>leave for months
>yawnfag and his discord cronies are still here
wow, you guys are just sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:52:19 No.50896425 Report

Quoted By: >>50896426

>>50888237
who cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:52:51 No.50896426 Report

Quoted By: >>50896441

>>50896425
people with standards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:55:22 No.50896441 Report

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>>50896426
you play pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:56:11 No.50896448 Report

Quoted By: >>50896554

Maybe gen5 isn't as good as /vp/ claims?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:11:33 No.50896554 Report

Quoted By: >>50896582

>>50896448
sex with your mother sure isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:17:10 No.50896582 Report

Quoted By: >>50896699

>>50896554
go back underage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:37:19 No.50896699 Report

Quoted By: >>50896746

>>50896582
I'm old enough to legally have sex with your mother

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:45:22 No.50896746 Report

Quoted By: >>50897382

>>50896699
But are you old enough to produce seishi and nakadashi her?

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:48:26 No.50896761 Report

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>>50888422
>>50890874
And now I remember why I stopped coming to /veepee/. The average clickshit youtuber knows more about game developing than you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 04:21:30 No.50897382 Report

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>>50896746
I don't speak weeb, I have sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 10:56:38 No.50898633 Report

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>>50893793
>>Then why are the back sprites blown up to be half the resolution that the DS is capable of?
Because gamefreak are incompetent, can't optimize and triple/double battles have slowdown because of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 10:57:33 No.50898636 Report

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>>50890378
More like you're the only retard faggot who hates them, sorry for you. Some day you'll have some taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 14:31:35 No.50899523 Report

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>>50890378
I started with yellow and I like them

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