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Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:11:47 No.50935692 View View Reply Original Report

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>gyms in any order
>they don't scale

did they really learn nothing after johto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:13:03 No.50935703 Report

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>>50935692
They learned that Johto is the best region so they're copying

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:25:15 No.50935774 Report

Quoted By: >>50935977 >>50942353

>>50935692
You guys have been screaming into the void for open world Pokemon and only now you're finally realizing it's going to be hilariously broken and exploitable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:26:52 No.50935786 Report

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>>50935692
level scaling is bad and sovlless

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:29:34 No.50935799 Report

Quoted By: >>50935975 >>50935981 >>50936291 >>50936891 >>50940546 >>50940559 >>50942370 >>50942750

>botw
>no one complains about the enemies not scaling
>xenoblade chronicles 2
>no complains about the enemies not scaling
>elden ring
>no one complains about the enemies not scaling
>pokemon
>"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAT DO YOU MEAN GAME FREAK DID AN EXTREMELY STANDARD THING THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF OPEN WORLD PROGRESSION THEY'RE RETARDED AND LAZY!!!"

forced exp share 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:51:03 No.50935934 Report

Quoted By: >>50935953

>>50935692
RBY/FRLG have gyms that can be done out of order too right? Aside from Brock (ignoring glitches), Misty and Gio, and Blaine has to be after Koga, but otherwise its free reign right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:53:48 No.50935953 Report

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>>50935934
yes everything after the 2nd gym and before the 8th gym is free with the only restriction being that you need to do koga's gym before you can do blaine's gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:55:01 No.50935964 Report

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>>50935692
There is nothing to learn. Johto was perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:56:33 No.50935975 Report

Quoted By: >>50935990

>>50935799
>>botw
>>no one complains about the enemies not scaling
Except they did, enemies got stronger thr more Bokos and Mobs you kill. You'd know that if you actually played BOTW, let alone any of these games.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:57:06 No.50935977 Report

Quoted By: >>50935994 >>50936805 >>50940368 >>50940601

>>50935774
gen 5 was hilariously broken and exploitable despite being linear as fuck so I'll still take the open world

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:57:26 No.50935981 Report

Quoted By: >>50935990 >>50936008

>>50935799
???
I mean, those are very different games, and very different contexts. In BOTW enemies do scale, and in other cases as you progress through the game, they put you in areas that would be around your level. I'd get what you're saying if in BOTW you could go back to one area and see Red Bokoblins while in another they're Silver or whatever, but that just isn't the case? Each Gym should be a challenge, and it's not hard to just give Trainers teams based off of the Player's badge level, unless you're lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:59:04 No.50935990 Report

Quoted By: >>50936202 >>50936330 >>50936692 >>50940565

>>50935975
>>50935981
woah I can fight lynels and ganon without dying in one hit if I fight them at the beginning of the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 02:59:39 No.50935994 Report

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>>50935977
based, fuck Unova

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:00:55 No.50936002 Report

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>>50935692
Becuase its only bad when JOETOE does it, becuase GENTOO BAD PLZE LIKE AND SUBSCROBE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:01:56 No.50936008 Report

Quoted By: >>50936050 >>50936075

>>50935981
play Elden Ring and you will understand that less scaling = more kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:07:09 No.50936050 Report

Quoted By: >>50936065 >>50936083

>>50936008
Elden Ring is an action game, pokemon is turn based and easily exploitable. There'll be no challenge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:08:36 No.50936065 Report

Quoted By: >>50936075 >>50936189

>>50936050
Run straight for the highest level gym if you want a challenge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:09:35 No.50936075 Report

Quoted By: >>50942696

>>50936065
>>50936008
you have to be trolling right? besides elden ring is absolute garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:10:17 No.50936083 Report

Quoted By: >>50936189

>>50936050
playing the gyms out of order means fighting things much stronger than your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:20:10 No.50936162 Report

Quoted By: >>50936946 >>50943039

>>50935692
Level scaling is a retarded mechanic, anyway.
Players that want to break sequence should actually be challenged - you skip portion of the game, and thus valuable resources (exp, cash, items) that are obtainable there and thus difficulty ramps up.
It's really apparent surprisingly in Kanto where you can just skip Lt.Surge and Erika - you lose chunk of experience and suddenly you cannot steamroll Koga and Sabrina. And both Koga and Sabrina gatekeep some juicy rewards - Surf for Koga and Silph Co. (which leads to Lapras) for Sabrina. And that opens pretty much entire game much earlier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:23:42 No.50936179 Report

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>>50935692
>did they really learn nothing after johto?
Anon, all of the people who worked in Pokémon Gold and Silver are already dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:24:12 No.50936183 Report

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>>50935692
When was this confirmed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:24:46 No.50936189 Report

Quoted By: >>50936195 >>50936206

>>50936065
>>50936083
Then when you beat that gym the rest of the game is piss easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:24:54 No.50936191 Report

Quoted By: >>50936201

>>50935692
>>gyms in any order
>>they don't scale
Where did we learn this from? Khu or Kaka

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:25:40 No.50936195 Report

Quoted By: >>50936205

>>50936189
you aren't going to get enough XP from the top gym to go from level 5 to level 50

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:26:24 No.50936201 Report

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>>50936191
Khakha

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:26:25 No.50936202 Report

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>>50935990
>he doesnt know about the lynel in the great plateau in hard mode
lol, lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:27:18 No.50936205 Report

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>>50936195
But if you can beat the hardest gym, then the rest of the game won't be a challenge since you've already learned the tricks to beating an opponent 40 levels above you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:27:36 No.50936206 Report

Quoted By: >>50936214 >>50936251

>>50936189
as opposed to the entire game being piss easy? I fail to see the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:28:32 No.50936214 Report

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>>50936206
The problem is Pokemon is shit and will never be difficult. One singular hard fight doesn't make up for 90% of the game being easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:32:51 No.50936251 Report

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>>50936206
You can't see the problem because you are the problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:38:12 No.50936291 Report

Quoted By: >>50936312

>>50935799
Xenoblade isn't remotely open world, clearly you're an idiot that only plays Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:39:31 No.50936302 Report

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>retards actually want Bethesda approved enemy scaling
Embarrassing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:40:39 No.50936312 Report

Quoted By: >>50942381

>>50936291
X is, but the rest are similar to PLA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 03:43:00 No.50936330 Report

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>>50935990
Yes. Unironically, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 04:24:21 No.50936692 Report

Quoted By: >>50939317

>>50935990
Yes. Just don't get hit, dummy.
That's not an option in Pokemon.
Do you seriously not understand the difference between an action game and a turn-based game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 04:40:38 No.50936805 Report

Quoted By: >>50936910

>>50935977
You faggots will find literally any way to being up unova and you say you're not obssessed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 04:52:49 No.50936891 Report

Quoted By: >>50936964

>>50935799
I don't particularly care about what other games are doing. Level scaling is best for pokemon, play Roaming Red.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 04:57:15 No.50936910 Report

Quoted By: >>50936928 >>50936941

>>50936805
Gen 5 is the most linear game ever. It's the anti-open world game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:01:10 No.50936928 Report

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>>50936910
And? It doesn't advertise itself as open world.
That's like complaining about Super Mario Bros. not letting you run to the left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:02:36 No.50936941 Report

Quoted By: >>50936953 >>50940488 >>50942401

>>50936910
How is that different from Gen 3, 6, 7, or 8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:03:15 No.50936945 Report

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what's so bad about level scaling

this is a bait thread isnt it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:03:28 No.50936946 Report

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>>50936162
Agreed. I don't understand retards who scream for levels to always be catching up. Games that do that make you feel like you never truly progress.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:04:46 No.50936953 Report

Quoted By: >>50936976 >>50939300

>>50936941
The difference si that Masuda is on record saying they made it that way on purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:05:47 No.50936964 Report

Quoted By: >>50937040

>>50936891
>play [shitty romhack]
no thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:07:54 No.50936976 Report

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>>50936953
So? That doesn't change the fact that other generations were designed the same way. If he never said that would you still be crying about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 05:16:44 No.50937040 Report

Quoted By:

>>50936964
Ok tranny, avoid actually playing a pokemon game with level scaling so you can continue to whine about Unova for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 10:12:27 No.50938349 Report

Quoted By:

>>50935692
no, but they learned from based Kanto

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 11:32:22 No.50939300 Report

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>>50936953
Who cares what Masuda says?
Does he really have to explain that the games are linear for you to understand that they're linear?
If you actually played the games, you wouldn't need to cite interviews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 11:34:38 No.50939317 Report

Quoted By: >>50939666

>>50936692
>completely dodging the point
Absolute retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 12:04:31 No.50939666 Report

Quoted By: >>50939745

>>50939317
What is your point, then?
Mine is that ARPG's don't need level scaling because you can win with skill alone. It's harder, yes, but doable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 12:10:36 No.50939745 Report

Quoted By: >>50939794

>>50939666
The point is that the game does in fact have scaling which invalidates the original fallacy-driven non-argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 12:15:47 No.50939794 Report

Quoted By: >>50939822

>>50939745
So you do agree that Pokemon should have scaling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 12:18:54 No.50939822 Report

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>>50939794
Anon that has been the point from the beginning. You quoted someone mockingly responding to the initial claim that BotW doesn't have scaling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:06:03 No.50940368 Report

Quoted By:

>>50935977
That's a good thing tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:13:38 No.50940431 Report

Quoted By: >>50940497

>>50935692
It could be possible that it was for an earlier build. I guess anorher alternarive is having your levels set so for exple your te will be set to 14 on the "first" gym and 58 on the "final" gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:20:11 No.50940488 Report

Quoted By: >>50942401

>>50936941
theres 2 gyms in gen3 you can do whenever you want but youre forced to go do them when you reach victory road if you haven't already

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:20:59 No.50940497 Report

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>>50940431
Something else you could assume is that it's not exactly scaled but that every gym leader has a "weak" and "strong" team.
Leaks said that it didn't scale, but in the same claim said that they had two teams, which leads me to believe that it's similar to how they made Isle of Armor work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:21:50 No.50940512 Report

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>fight 7 gym leaders
>last one still uses a level 12 butterfree because LAMEfreak is too lazy to program 8 teams for just the 8 special trainers that have to be considered for this new open world approach
nice job LAMEfreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:25:28 No.50940546 Report

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>>50935799
lol eat a dick cocksucker bootlicker
we arent even close to release and these fags are already lining up to lick the boots of lazy developers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:26:40 No.50940559 Report

Quoted By: >>50942368

>>50935799
>forced exp share 2.0
Oh my god, we went over this already. nu-Exp.Share is literally impossible to balance around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:27:25 No.50940565 Report

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>>50935990
if you are done embarrassing yourself, go back and please, dont return, dumb bootlicker faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 13:31:00 No.50940601 Report

Quoted By: >>50942857

>>50935977
Is this from the thread where the guy was bitching about levels only to reveal his team and showed he had been grinding like crazy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 14:07:49 No.50940963 Report

Quoted By: >>50941327 >>50941352

>level scaling
I sleep
>gym leaders having a different team for each amount of medals you can have
Real shit and actually canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 14:46:17 No.50941327 Report

Quoted By: >>50941345

>>50940963
that's called scaling then
of course we weren't talking about direct scaling based on your team, who would be retarded enough to do that... haha...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 14:48:42 No.50941345 Report

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>>50941327
SHOCKSLAYER presents SHOCKSLAYER's SHOKÉMON CRYSTAL SLAYER by SHOCKSLAYER

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 14:49:15 No.50941352 Report

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>>50940963
Sorry but that's postgame only

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 16:44:33 No.50942353 Report

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>>50935774
>"why are you complaining when they do a bad and lazy job!?"
Did you really learn nothing after Sword and Shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 16:45:32 No.50942368 Report

Quoted By: >>50942722

>>50940559
Then why was USUM balanced around it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 16:45:37 No.50942370 Report

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>>50935799
>xenoblade chronicles 2
>bosses not scaling
They literally do, lying fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 16:46:37 No.50942381 Report

Quoted By:

>>50936312
No, PLA doesn't have 10% of Xwnoblade games qualities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 16:47:38 No.50942401 Report

Quoted By: >>50942707

>>50940488
So, what about gen 6 and gen 8?
>>50936941
Nothing. It's only bad when Unova does it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:17:29 No.50942696 Report

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>>50936075
>you have to be trolling right?
>besides elden ring is absolute garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:18:40 No.50942707 Report

Quoted By:

>>50942401
>So, what about gen 6 and gen 8?
theyre also linear and shit like gen 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:19:31 No.50942713 Report

Quoted By:

>>50935692
Give me a lore reason first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:20:55 No.50942722 Report

Quoted By: >>50942729 >>50942838

>>50942368
It was balanced around the ability tot urn it off if you became overleveled, which was fairly common in most play styles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:22:22 No.50942729 Report

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>>50942722
>if
There is no if. It will happen unless you turn it off.

Joe... Biden

Joe... Biden Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:23:07 No.50942737 Report

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>>50935692
that would require effort and effort doesn't make money. Holding your favorite Pokémon behind exclusive titles is what makes money

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:25:19 No.50942750 Report

Quoted By: >>50942848

>>50935799
For those anons interested in argumentation, this is a prime example of a false equivalency. Also known as "whataboutism."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:34:24 No.50942838 Report

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>>50942722
>It was balanced around the ability tot urn it off
No it wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:35:25 No.50942848 Report

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>>50942750
For those anons interested in argumentation, this is a prime example of a fallacy fallacy. Also known as "I don't have an argument so I'm just going to name a fallacy and pretend it is one"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:36:30 No.50942857 Report

Quoted By: >>50942926

>>50940601
Good times. I've never seen someone argue against Unova in good faith

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:43:58 No.50942926 Report

Quoted By: >>50943066

>>50942857
>he said, as proceeded to agree with a lie just so he can pretend Unova is well designed

Joe... Biden

Joe... Biden Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:50:43 No.50942989 Report

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>>50935692
Silly silly anon. That would require effort, creativity, and out-of-the-box thinking. None of those things makes money. But what DOES make money is holding your favorite Pokémon hostage behind exclusive titles so you can make use of that expensive HOME subscription.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:56:05 No.50943039 Report

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>>50936162
I haven't played a Kanto game in a while, but isn't Sabrina unlocked by completing Silph, not the other way around?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jul 2022 17:58:42 No.50943066 Report

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>>50942926
>using only one bulky pokemon that has only 2 weaknesses
>it gets overleveled
No shit?

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