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POST TO FIX ICE TYPES:

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:06:19 No.51124883 View View Reply Original Report

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>Make it resist Water (Keep Water resisting it)
>Make it resist Flying
>Make it resist Fairy

Fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:16:29 No.51124987 Report

Quoted By: >>51125010 >>51125017

>>51124883
I think taking away its Rock weakness should be enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:16:37 No.51124988 Report

Quoted By: >>51125184 >>51129583 >>51136019

I'm the only one here who liked the ice cream pokemon... ;-;

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:17:44 No.51125005 Report

Quoted By: >>51136067

>>51124883
Ice is immune to Ice and resists Ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:18:15 No.51125010 Report

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>>51124987
Doesn't even make sense for Ice to be weak to rock when thermal expansion is a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:19:05 No.51125017 Report

Quoted By: >>51125059

>>51124987
Rock is not strong against a many things, good to have it at least being useful offensively against Ice types.

Ice on the other side has no resistence at all apart from Ice. Better look for Types that barely face resistence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:24:33 No.51125059 Report

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>>51125017
sneaky pebbles overcentralizes the game and outright nullified the existences of whole typing before the advent of the boots
Ice not being one of them wouldn't solve its core flaw (being a heavily offensive type with mons specced primarily for defense) but it'd make a lot of them actually playable.

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Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:25:31 No.51125069 Report

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>>51124883
It doesn't need fixing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:34:11 No.51125126 Report

Quoted By: >>51125132

>>51124883
Water melts Ice, so if anything Ice should be weak to Water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:34:57 No.51125132 Report

Quoted By: >>51125147

>>51125126
Too much ice freezes water
It depends of the quantity of ice and water - which makes them resisting each other a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:36:55 No.51125147 Report

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>>51125132
No it doesnt. Cold freezes water but ice is frozen water. Water is always warmer than ice so it warms up the system no matter what.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 22:42:10 No.51125184 Report

Quoted By: >>51125860

>>51124988
It'd be fine as a digimon; cute design in general. But when it comes to Pokemon, I'd rather they not look like manmade objects (especially food) unless they're ghost, steel, or in some cases electric.

>>51124883
Hail giving a buff to Ice types would be real nice, even if it was just a Def boost like Sandstorm's SpDef to Rock.

Maybe adding 1 or 2 Resistances to your list like Grass. Or even an immunity somewhere. Steel has 10 resistances and an immunity. Surely since so many Ice types have defensive statlines it can get like half of that, especially given that it already has to deal with SR and common weaknesses.

I just want Glaceon to be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Aug 2022 23:47:44 No.51125860 Report

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>>51125184
Actually why the hell it doesn't get a boost with Hail? It's the only weather effects that does nothing else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:25:28 No.51126182 Report

Quoted By: >>51126370 >>51126526

>>51124883
I'd swap the Fairy resist for a Grass resist. Makes more sense thematically and Grass is sort of good enough now that it can afford another NVE hit. Plus Pokemon like Walrein and Lapras will now have a little more reason to stay in on Grass types and threaten them out. Currently they're Grass weak, which is ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:42:53 No.51126370 Report

Quoted By: >>51126398

>>51126182
Grass is already super shit offensively. Water on the other side has barely anybody to resist it.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:44:48 No.51126378 Report

Quoted By: >>51126412 >>51126427 >>51128684

>>51124883
Type fixes that need to happen and ones I know a bunch of you will fucking hate me for

>Ice now resists Water, Grass and Flying
>Bug and Fighting are now both neutral against one another
>Bug now resists Fairy
>Steel resists Dark again
>Fairy no longer immune to Dragon, Dragon just does NVE damage now
>Dark now SE against Fairy creating a two way relationship
>Psychic now resists Fairy but is NVE against Bug
>Electric's Paralysis immunity is removed. Now they are just immune to Thunder Wave
>Dark's Prankster immunity is removed. Now they are immune to moves that force a redirect (but not abilities)
>Psychic and Ghost attacks can now hit behind a Sub
>Fighting types are immune to Taunt and Torment
>Splinters as a status is introduced into the core games
>Drowsy is now caused by most moves that cause Sleep, but a Drowsy Pokemon will fall asleep if it left out too long or it isn't woken up. Sleep can now end if you're hit by a contact move
>Frostbite replaces Freeze in most cases. Freeze still exists but is super rare
>Ice now gets a Snow weather effect that works more like Rain/Sun, replaces a lot of Hails current abilities/effects and causes, minus the chip damage
>Hail still exists as a separate weather. Buffs Def of Ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:47:21 No.51126398 Report

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>>51126370
Well I would keep the water and flying resistance too. I just think that grass offensively is kind of garbage, but the grass is also super oppressive right now in the current meta. The things that resist are bug, fire, steel, dragon and flying. adding ice to that does seem kind of extreme, but grass is still I think that useful that it needs to be checked just a little bit. On the other end maybe they could remove the flying weakness and resistance since I feel that that doesn't totally make sense. Not as much as the ice relationship might

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:48:43 No.51126412 Report

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>>51126378
I forgot to add two more things
>Flying can hit behind a Sub
>Grass and Flying are now neutral all around

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:49:21 No.51126424 Report

Quoted By: >>51126554

>>51124883
Why wouldn't Water be weak to Ice anyways? When water gets cold enough it begins turning into ice, which I feel would be a bad thing for a water type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:49:25 No.51126427 Report

Quoted By: >>51127231

>>51126378
If sleep ends on hit with a contact move I feel like the move that wakes a mon up should be stronger to make up for it.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 00:50:09 No.51126436 Report

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>>51124883
It now resists ground and flying
That's all it needs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 01:00:37 No.51126526 Report

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>>51126182
>I'd swap the Fairy resist for a Grass resist
Have it resist both. And have Grass resist Fairy as well along with giving Grass-type Pokémon like Meganium actual movepools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 01:05:16 No.51126554 Report

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>>51126424
Honestly, Ice doesn't need to have a boost offensively. It woud just make water types stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 02:13:42 No.51127231 Report

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>>51126427
That is what happens in Legends so sure why the fuck not

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 02:39:12 No.51127506 Report

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>>51124883
How to buff Ice types
>Literally just make them not Ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 04:53:52 No.51128643 Report

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>>51124883
Just make them faster.
At least 90% of fully evolved ice types should have >100 base speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 05:02:10 No.51128684 Report

Quoted By: >>51132057

>>51126378
>making grass worse offensively
>absolutely nothing in return
>Letting dragons click outrage again
>buffing steel defensively
why

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Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 05:24:06 No.51128823 Report

Quoted By: >>51128922 >>51128931 >>51128984

>>51124883
>Make it resist Water
>Make it resist Flying
It doesn't already? I've spent the last 21 years thinking this was already the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 05:41:07 No.51128922 Report

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>>51128823
Originally Ice was supposed to be the glass cannon type in Gen 1, where Blizzard was everywhere and Fire didn’t resist Ice back then (an oversight or some “Ice is just frozen Water” logic, I don’t know).
Since Gen 2, Ice is got heavily nerfed and strangely no one talks about it. The single best defensive typing in Steel and also Fire now resist Ice, and Ice got a new weakness too, and it was never compensated for this either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 05:42:28 No.51128931 Report

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>>51128823
Ice resists NOTHING but Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 05:55:32 No.51128984 Report

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>>51128823
Ice only resists itself.
It's the worse defensive type in the game by a pretty comfortable margin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 08:05:01 No.51129583 Report

Quoted By: >>51130435

>>51124988
They should've doubled down on the icicle mimic thematic instead of the ice cream thematic, like, remove that straw-shaped thing on it's head

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 08:10:10 No.51129605 Report

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resist ground
fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 09:03:10 No.51129857 Report

Quoted By: >>51134478 >>51134511

>>51124883
How about
>Freeze reworked to add Ice type to pokemon instead of current effect, plus damage every turn like Burn
>if hit by an attack that's super-effective both against Ice and the Pokemon itself they thaw out (Frozen Psychic pokemon will get thawed by a Rock attack, but not by Bug (SE but not to ice) or Fighting (SE to Ice but not to the mon)).
>typing comes with all the resistances, STABs and hail immunities you'd expect
>an item called Warm Jacket prevents Freeze's damage over time
>multiple moves are added or changed to consistently and semi-consistently cause Freeze
This way Ice-type's shittiness is harnessed as both harmful status and gimicky volatile offensive strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 09:13:26 No.51129912 Report

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>>51124883
>Make it resist Water
It's all so tiresome...
>Make it resist Flying
That hurts Flying more than it helps Ice.
>Make it resist Fairy
Acceptable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 10:30:35 No.51130435 Report

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>>51129583
I'm pretty sure the idea is that it's an ambush predator that disguises itself as ice cream to lure in prey.
Looking cute and silly and innocuous is part of its scheme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 14:29:05 No.51132057 Report

Quoted By: >>51132973

>>51128684
Dark being able to hit Steel for neutral makes no sense. Swap it to Psychic. And Grass gets balanced back in the later post by making it no longer weak to or resisted by Flying. I'd also maybe remove the Bug resist while still keeping it Bug weak and then compensate for Bug by making Bug resist Fairy and Psychic while also now being neutral against Fighting. And to make up for Dragon becoming NVE against Fairy it now also gets resisted by Rock. Fairy being immune to Dragon makes little sense outside mechanics, and I think giving Rock a resist to compensate helps mons like Aggron and Tyrantrum feel more powerful while also making up for Rock having a lot of common weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 16:18:18 No.51132973 Report

Quoted By: >>51133607

>>51132057
Steel resisting osychic is literally why the type came into existence.
If I were to buff psychic, i'd just give it a new move like freeze-dry that works against dark types and give it good distribution. Call it something like "Bright Idea" but the typing doesn't struggle the same way bug or ice do.
Grass is perfectly fine, the weak type chart itself hides the fact their tool distribution is fucking insane.
Bug should unironically be SE against and resist fairy for mechanics and aesthetic reasons.
Ice just needs to have its mons reflect the nature of the type, it's perfectly balanced as a glass cannon type but it tries to make too many bulky pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 17:28:51 No.51133607 Report

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>>51132973
My beef with Psychic is just that they're a pretty damn useless type now. They need another resist and something else to make using their offense worth your while. I think being able to hit Steels at this point makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 19:05:39 No.51134440 Report

Quoted By: >>51134503 >>51134667

>>51124883
I'd prefer Ice to just go all in on the "Glass Cannon" type. Make it deal super-effective damage to more types (Water, Fairy, maybe?) but keep its terrible defensive matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 19:11:14 No.51134478 Report

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>>51129857
This just makes ice ATTACKS stronger, water poekmon would be better ice types than the ice types;

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 19:15:32 No.51134503 Report

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>>51134440
i like this idea. i think making it SE against fairy is the best way to justify how shit it is defensively. it can take out two of the strongest types, but it has fuck all resistances

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 19:16:34 No.51134511 Report

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>>51129857
this is the dumbest shit ive ever seen, fuck off lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 19:41:07 No.51134667 Report

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>>51134440
Making Ice better offensively, just makes Water better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 19:42:34 No.51134677 Report

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>>51124883
Ice resists Ground and Flying
Gains +50% defense during hail

There. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 22:26:33 No.51136019 Report

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>>51124988
It should have been a pokemon with no evolutions but could hold a "flavor" plate that changes its type to something ice cream related. Rock type flavor becomes rocky road, Fairy becomes strawberry, Grass becomes mint chocolate chip.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Aug 2022 22:31:43 No.51136067 Report

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>>51125005
This was serious.

Most Ice pokemon are literally made of Ice and seem colder than Ice Beam. No reason they'd be affected by Ice. Plus it nerfs Ice offensively a bit, gives Ice frailmons some safe switches, and is a cool niche no other type would have.

Too few things are Ground resistant and you could say Ice types freeze the ground beneath them stopping its movement.

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