/vp/ - Pokémon » Thread #51597175

[160 / 10 / 95]

74KiB, 968x548, p09_02_en[1].jpg

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO

Rest Nerf

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:21:38 No.51597175 View View Reply Original Report

>5 PP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:22:55 No.51597205 Report

Quoted By:

Good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:24:15 No.51597236 Report

Quoted By: >>51605897 >>51610446

>400LP
Good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:34:16 No.51597462 Report

Quoted By: >>51603835 >>51606225 >>51608599

>>51597175
Stallfags btfo ETERNALLY

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:36:01 No.51597497 Report

Quoted By: >>51597980 >>51605733 >>51608040 >>51608263 >>51613836 >>51614549 >>51617781 >>51618901 >>51618908

>>51597175
>TMs are single use again, you just need to gather the materials from beating wild Pokemon to make as many as you need
This is the coolest fucking thing about these games so far and it wasn't in ANY of the leaks.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 30C7580D-8957-40EB-B0D7-F2A2BD00 (...).png, 334KiB, 641x530

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:37:30 No.51597529 Report

Quoted By: >>51597830 >>51607520 >>51613824 >>51615378

>>51597175
Fucking hell. Fuck GameFreak, fuck NuPokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:41:49 No.51597638 Report

Quoted By: >>51597662 >>51597679 >>51597760 >>51597881 >>51597966 >>51601114 >>51603563 >>51608036 >>51608462 >>51613632 >>51615004 >>51615058

I hope all recovery moves got nerfed to 5 PP just so I can see how smogkeks cope, I don't see how stall could function in 6v6 with such limited healing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:42:50 No.51597662 Report

Quoted By: >>51597679

>>51597638
Holy crap that would be brutal and now I really want it but GF would never have such a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:43:23 No.51597679 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597638
>>51597662
Kill yourselves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:47:17 No.51597760 Report

Quoted By: >>51597871 >>51608907

>>51597638
Moves in general warrant a PP reduction. We're no longer in the days of needing to struggle through a gauntlet of a dungeon like Rock Tunnel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:50:27 No.51597830 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597529
Cry more stallfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:52:14 No.51597871 Report

Quoted By: >>51608871

>>51597760
This, everything needs to be knocked down a tier for PP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:52:34 No.51597881 Report

Quoted By: >>51604407 >>51615385 >>51615388

>>51597638
this + protect doesn't work twice anymore and you can't protect behind sub, so we can finally get official 6v6 battles that don't take 982309823 years (wich is the reason why we have to play 3v3 garbage)
and change sleep/freeze and other hax shit to arceus mechanics, 10/10 best meta of all time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:56:17 No.51597966 Report

Quoted By: >>51603406 >>51603491

>>51597175
>Rest getting nerfed
Why? It was already niche enough as is.

>>51597638
>SMOGONSMOGONSMOGON!!
obsessed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:56:41 No.51597980 Report

Quoted By: >>51598015 >>51598063 >>51601347 >>51603326 >>51603579 >>51605951 >>51608326

>>51597497
>gets rid of the best QoL improvement in DEACADES, AGAIN
>b-bruhvo gemfreek!!!11!1

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:58:33 No.51598015 Report

Quoted By: >>51598063

>>51597980
people kept bitching because teaching all your Pokemon Struggle Bug made the games too easy. Please understand!
it's so strange because we already had single-use teachable moves in TRs and this is just objectively worse cause Game Freak always has to make some hurdle in getting your team competitive ready..

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1525686711696.jpg, 39KiB, 381x353

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 13:59:46 No.51598032 Report

Quoted By: >>51610990 >>51615552

unovabros how are we going to beat the game now that we can't just put OP TMs onto every pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:01:27 No.51598063 Report

Quoted By: >>51598098 >>51598158 >>51603525

>>51597980
>>51598015
>Compfags seething that they’ll have to play the game and can’t just make their perfectly customized team immediately
We love to see it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:03:21 No.51598095 Report

Quoted By:

holy fucking based
S to spit on stallshitstains

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:03:29 No.51598098 Report

Quoted By: >>51598129 >>51598162 >>51603353

>>51598063
and then you'll ask months later why people keep continuing to hack their Pokemon.

I can beat Persona 5 Royal in the same time it takes for me to make a competitive team in Gen 6 from scratch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:05:33 No.51598129 Report

Quoted By: >>51598164 >>51603373 >>51605880 >>51613459

>>51598098
Actually I'll ask why retards bother playing competitive Pokemon at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:07:26 No.51598158 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598063
pkhex is gonna be updated before the game is even out tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:07:51 No.51598162 Report

Quoted By: >>51598384

>>51598098
>and then you'll ask months later why people keep continuing to hack their Pokemon.
No I won’t, I couldn’t give less of a fuck, if you wanna skip the gameplay then go ahead, I’d rather that than have gamefreak remove gameplay entirely just to appease fags like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:08:01 No.51598164 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598129
Because they enjoy it?
Like how you enjoy shitposting on 4chan 16 hours a day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:20:38 No.51598384 Report

Quoted By: >>51598496

>>51598162
the bulk of the gameplay is playing against other players.
People will always find methods to cheese or bypass any tedious parts of games to get to the stuff they actually enjoy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:26:33 No.51598496 Report

Quoted By: >>51598539

>>51598384
>the bulk of the gameplay is playing against other players.
The majority of players just play the campaign, only a fraction bother with PvP outside of casual battles with friends.
> People will always find methods to cheese or bypass any tedious parts of games to get to the stuff they actually enjoy.
Good, go ahead and do so. I encourage it. While you’re at it, stop complaining about the game being tedious just because you only like 1 part of the gameplay and want the other parts gone, you’re gonna find a way around those parts either way so stop ruining the games for the rest of us

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:28:41 No.51598539 Report

Quoted By: >>51598640

>>51598496
>The majority of players just play the campaign, only a fraction bother with PvP outside of casual battles with friends.
Obviously we're talking about in the context of competitive battling. You're moving the goalposts. There's no need to mention casual players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:35:13 No.51598640 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598539
>Obviously we're talking about in the context of competitive battling.
I am not. I don’t play comp and don’t ever intend to. The games are finally getting rid of the retarded “QoL” changes that just removed any semblance of mechanical balance in the single player purely to make the multiplayer as convenient as possible and I couldn’t be happier. Literally everyone wins, the single player is less casualized and the compfags can just go back to hacking like they always have

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 14:57:32 No.51598930 Report

Quoted By: >>51599193 >>51603406

>>51597175
While the nerf is welcome I don't think it will change much, wincon trash Suicune can still set 4 calm mind with a few rest sleep talk cycles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 15:17:54 No.51599193 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598930
yes but it means it really only has one shot at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 17:18:13 No.51601010 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
snips bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 17:26:13 No.51601114 Report

Quoted By: >>51603491

>>51597638
Obssession

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 17:45:12 No.51601347 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597980
Infinite TMs were only relevant in multiplayer, and were only bad when you couldn't obtain more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:08:51 No.51603064 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
holy based, that's what you get for thinking singles is a fun format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:32:39 No.51603319 Report

Quoted By:

TRs were single use in Sword and Shield HOWEVER once taught to a Pokemon you never had to use that TR on them again, You just go to the move reminder man and the move will always be the top of the list along with the other TRs used.
Why wouldn't this carry over just now on TMs or whatever word they want to use for moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:33:40 No.51603326 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597980
>QoL
Why is everyone who uses this term a massive flaming faggot redditor every single time?
Take your "QoL" and shove it up your ass, Pokemon used to be an RPG. Too bad this single good change doesn't make up for the let's go shit literally making battling wild Pokemon optional in a Pokemon game.
One step forward, two steps back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:36:25 No.51603353 Report

Quoted By: >>51605814

>>51598098
>and then you'll ask months later why people keep continuing to hack their Pokemon.
No because competitive is irrelevant to the RPG and doesn't matter, I don't even think about it. I want a good game to play through multiple times, I don't give a shit about what pvp retards do I just want them to stop asking for features that ruin the main aspect of the game that they don't even like to play. Fuck you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:37:03 No.51603360 Report

Quoted By: >>51603385

>>51597175
>for two turns
That's a buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:38:17 No.51603373 Report

Quoted By: >>51603396

>>51598129
Because playing against an intelligent person and seeing what teams and strats they come up with is more interesting than playing against NPC trainers with three pokemon each.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:39:13 No.51603385 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603360
Isn't that what it is now?
Rest
Sleep talk
Sleep talk
Wake up move

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:40:35 No.51603396 Report

Quoted By: >>51603402 >>51603409

>>51603373
And knowing they just hacked their teams takes away all the fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:41:20 No.51603402 Report

Quoted By: >>51603472

>>51603396
Why? If the pokemon have legit stats, movesets etc it doesn't affect your battle in any way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:42:22 No.51603406 Report

Quoted By: >>51603431 >>51603550

>>51597966
>>51598930
It wasn't nerfed, it was buffed. Read the description and you'll notice a new detail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:42:36 No.51603409 Report

Quoted By: >>51603458

>>51603396
No it doesn't, it's irrelevant to the strategizing and decision making that pvpfags claim to enjoy. They don't care about the rpg and want to engage with it as little as possible because it's not relevant to the competitive battles.
So stop ruining the single player game for the sake of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:44:24 No.51603431 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603406
This is its description from the latest games
>The user goes to sleep for two turns. This fully restores the user's HP and heals any status conditions
Word by word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:46:33 No.51603458 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603409
I care about the RPG, but once.
After the main campaign is over I want to be able to make competitive teams as quickly as possible, I'm not gonna replay the story 100 times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:48:05 No.51603472 Report

Quoted By: >>51603475

>>51603402
Knowing the other player barely cares about the game makes it boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:48:59 No.51603475 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603472
That's just your personal psychological issue, from an objective standpoint the battle is the same whether he grinded the pokemon or injected them into the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:50:03 No.51603490 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
wait, you have to craft TMs now? and they're not reusable? lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:50:10 No.51603491 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597966
>>51601114
you're already coping kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:53:08 No.51603522 Report

Quoted By: >>51603536

I think the list of 100 TR is gone, it doesnt make sense anymore

So now its only 100 TMs again

If you trade from other games you lose your moves because they become the moves by level up and you dont have TRs again to learn them again, move tutors doesnt exist in scarlet/violet so all the wrong decision have been made

In general, the list of moves a poke are able to learn in these games is very small, in comparison to sword/shield the situation is ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:53:14 No.51603525 Report

Quoted By: >>51603552

>>51598063
>Just hack the game or play on showdown anyways instead of breeding
This shit only really hurts people who want to play vanilla competitive Pokemon.
GameFreak is then just gonna wonder why people are hacking their games again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:54:02 No.51603536 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603522
Sword/Shield movepools are pathetic too
Pokemon should have access to all the moves they can learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:55:38 No.51603550 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603406
Anon, you trying to gaslight me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:55:40 No.51603552 Report

Quoted By: >>51613879

>>51603525
>GameFreak is then just gonna wonder why people are hacking their games again
Do they even really care about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:56:53 No.51603563 Report

Quoted By: >>51607660

>>51597638
Not all high ladder players like stall tho. They will just keep using balance as usual. Clef will be a big loser if that happens and pretty sure no one will cry about it.

What about moves like leech seed, pain split, drain punch and every attacking move that heals based off a condition? Because those are both recovery and attacking moves at the same time. 5 PP treatment or 10 PP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:57:27 No.51603566 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
wow yeah because Rest was really tearing up the competitive scene

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 20:59:05 No.51603579 Report

Quoted By: >>51603861 >>51604174 >>51606095

>>51597980
Infinite TMs were a bit broken in campaign. Once you got a decent move it'd go on as many pokemon as possible with no downside. The main reason they were so welcomed was because it stopped the issue of "Oh there's only one TM for this move in the whole fuckin game lol. Hope you didn't waste it when you're making competitive teams!"

So long as TMs are a renewable resource, I don't really care about specifics.

Plus the idea of needing to go hunting for specific wild pokemon to make certain TMs sounds fun and encourages exploration of the open world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 21:26:42 No.51603835 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597462
The battle timer nerf was already a step towards this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 21:29:26 No.51603861 Report

Quoted By: >>51603924

>>51603579
>playing red
>TM respawns after x battles in veridian forest
>this is fun
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 21:35:59 No.51603924 Report

Quoted By: >>51605215

>>51603861
That the mind of the pokefaggot
They will defend anything GF does.

Even tho they are forgetting that GF could have lock strong TMs to postgame

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 21:59:57 No.51604174 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603579
it's really a balancing problem and why you shouldn't give moves too powerful early on and only save the stronger ones for later or post game. The idea of giving rewards for beating pokemon which you can exchange for useful items is a good idea considering the open world direction they are going with, not to mention the fact that dealing out TMs based on how far you are into the game wouldn't really work since they expect you to choose your own way. This new TM system is supposed to be meant compliment the open world design while not making it too easy to give out powerful moves early game. Honestly though I feel like TMs should have been unlockables tied to overall game progression with some other reward system tied to the items taken from wild pokemon, especially since late game it could be a potential problem having to grind for TMs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 22:22:35 No.51604407 Report

Quoted By: >>51604420 >>51613198

>>51597881
I'm so excited to play a meta where whoever gets stat boosts off first wins!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 22:23:57 No.51604420 Report

Quoted By:

>>51604407
Just let your opponent stat up then copy it with that item

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Oct 2022 23:34:35 No.51605215 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603924
The whole point is to have the strong TMs accessible during campaign so you can give a buff to a specific Pokemon of your choosing. With infinite TMs, there's no thinking required.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO file.png, 518KiB, 1025x487

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:23:13 No.51605693 Report

Quoted By: >>51605725 >>51605774 >>51617978

you can see the giraffe attacking while asleep here so that might be why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:26:23 No.51605725 Report

Quoted By: >>51605774

>>51605693
So they're keeping PLA sleep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:27:03 No.51605733 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
I fucking hate people like you so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:32:25 No.51605774 Report

Quoted By: >>51613613

>>51605693
>>51605725
Huh, that's interesting. OP image clearly says sleep, in PLA it was renamed drowsy to reflect the change. Could just be that the UI didn't change to reflect Farigiraf waking up. Or they changed how sleep works but didn't change the name.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:35:47 No.51605804 Report

Quoted By:

>ITT low elo retards that don't play the game
Name one competitively viable set that runs Rest. The days of Crocune and Restlax were over a decade ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:36:53 No.51605814 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603353
Good thing all of the stuff that affects the PvP portion positively doesn't affect the PvE portion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:45:56 No.51605880 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598129
>why retards bother playing competitive Pokemon at all.
it's unique and has remained unique for 20+ years
FPS with Wolfenstein 3D and spaned a genre, but there really is no genre of game based on competitive Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:47:49 No.51605897 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597236
We YGO now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 00:54:34 No.51605951 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597980
>I want a paid version of Slowclown

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 01:12:24 No.51606095 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603579
>Infinite TMs were a bit broken in campaign.
gen 5 did a good job of balancing them. the TMs you get during the campaign are either bad, situational, or have limited learnpools.
by Alola, that had all gone out the window and you're given Psychic in a required cutscene in the middle of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 01:27:46 No.51606225 Report

Quoted By: >>51615337

>>51597462
>implying stall uses restalk anymore
Go to bed, gramps. We're all about regenerator cores now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 04:14:07 No.51607520 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597529
I hope Recover also goes 5PP, stallkek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 04:21:22 No.51607557 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
Fuck that shit, abd fuck GF.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 04:43:22 No.51607660 Report

Quoted By:

>>51603563
Over the course of the gens the definition of "balance" has become broader and broader as more pushes are made to slow the game down. I remember seeing guides for stall teams in Gen IV that included wallbreakers to deal with problem walls for the team, now if your team has more than 3 attacks it's "balance"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 06:34:04 No.51608036 Report

Quoted By: >>51608098

>>51597638
>5 PP
8*, and the meta will just shift to wish + protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 06:35:37 No.51608040 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
I 100% agree

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 06:56:53 No.51608098 Report

Quoted By: >>51608105 >>51608111 >>51613817

>>51608036
> Implying PP UP is still in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 06:59:41 No.51608105 Report

Quoted By:

>>51608098
I wish this wasn't unironically a good point, but this is nu-pokemon after all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 07:00:43 No.51608111 Report

Quoted By:

>>51608098
KEK, Oh fuck it could be true though, Let me laugh harder

time to run :^]

time to run :^] Fri 07 Oct 2022 07:22:31 No.51608156 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
this whole thread proves why yall are dumb af and worry about the wrong things smfh nincompoops

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 07:57:13 No.51608263 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
I like it too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 08:15:03 No.51608326 Report

Quoted By: >>51608615

>>51597980
I play the game for the single player and the "adventure" aspect. As such, I prefer some obstacles to overcome and help immerse me in the world of the game. Having to procure odd/rare items to craft TMs makes thematic sense and gives people a reason to track down rare wild pokemon and herbs.

Get fucked, compbabby :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 08:18:29 No.51608338 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
>Slowpoke
>Not Snorlax
Snorbros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 09:02:34 No.51608462 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597638
They will simply ban all offensive Pokemon that manage to break through the remaining functioning stall mons. Then we are back to square One.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 09:49:16 No.51608599 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597462
OMGON MAKES SPECIAL RULE TO KEEP OLD PPS WE CANNOT NERF STALL

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 09:57:09 No.51608615 Report

Quoted By:

>>51608326
>Get fucked, compbabby
You wish.
Smogonfags already have infinite TMs
Veggie Sea sailors will inject endless mons with TM moves
Only casual campaign players are affected by this changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 10:21:53 No.51608681 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
>stall is problematic
>"better nerf it!"
>includes Toxapex in the region and reduces Rest pp
Geniuses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 10:35:27 No.51608723 Report

Quoted By:

I fail to see the nerf here, maybe it's a smogon thing. VGC generally doesn't try and Rest 7 times in a match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 11:17:48 No.51608871 Report

Quoted By: >>51608890

>>51597871
I'd rather see a cooldown system. Like you cant use rest for 4 turns after waking up
flamthrower requires 1 turn between uses
flamewheel/charge are moves with no cooldown
etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 11:22:11 No.51608890 Report

Quoted By: >>51608925

>>51608871
What about choice items? Or Encore?

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1664532047937.png, 471KiB, 500x500

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 11:26:24 No.51608902 Report

Quoted By:

it's really astonishing that all these people complain so brazzenly about stall despite not having touched a pokemon game in years
the games have been super shifted towards ultra offense and balance for multiple gens now, stall is shit. Rest isn't even a stall move, stall teams prefer mons with more reliable recovery like regenerator and softboiled
Rest nerf hurts no one besides Snips and other memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 11:28:23 No.51608907 Report

Quoted By: >>51618949

>>51597760
This. 5 PP per move.

Dont like it? Carry around more Ethers and Elixirs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 11:33:45 No.51608925 Report

Quoted By: >>51608929

>>51608890
get rid of them? They wouldn't be compatible. Maybe one spin off game with a system like that in a stadium setting would be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 11:34:45 No.51608929 Report

Quoted By:

>>51608925
Sounds retarded when you're only given so many moves. You want the game to be less defensive, but then you also want people to rely on weak moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 16:46:40 No.51610446 Report

Quoted By: >>51610831 >>51610845

>>51597236
what are league points

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 17:24:00 No.51610831 Report

Quoted By:

>>51610446
Probably watts but renamed and expanded on. Maybe it costs a certain amount of LP to challenge each gym so you can't just beeline through the gym challenge without exploring the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 17:25:36 No.51610845 Report

Quoted By:

>>51610446
Just a rebranded BP as battle facility won't be in the game

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1572808069343.gif, 2MiB, 600x338

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 17:41:03 No.51610954 Report

Quoted By: >>51610979 >>51615273

>>51597175
That's a pretty good change ngl. All health restoration moves should only have 5-8 PP at most. I hope they applied the same nerf to recover and all it's various clones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 17:46:39 No.51610979 Report

Quoted By: >>51611120

>>51610954
I mean PP should just be completely overhauled at this point
it's stupid to try to balance the same system for both playthrough and PvP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 17:48:01 No.51610990 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598032
the good TMs weren't even available in unova until the post game you retarded chipmunk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 18:08:27 No.51611101 Report

Quoted By:

Rest hasn't been relevant since Gen 3. The meta favors reliable recovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 18:09:04 No.51611108 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
rest in pp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 18:11:17 No.51611120 Report

Quoted By: >>51611216

>>51610979
has pp been much of a factor in singleplayer since leppa berries barring elite four and champions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 18:25:59 No.51611216 Report

Quoted By: >>51611263

>>51611120
PP has never been a factor in singleplayer outside of speedruns or other challenge runs. Every game gives plenty of poke centers and other healing spots. Really the only time it's feasible to run out of PP where it's actually a problem in a casual playthrough is the elite 4/champion. And by that point you should have plenty of ethers/elixirs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 18:32:25 No.51611263 Report

Quoted By:

>>51611216
i wonder if the team star zerg rush is going to make people think twice about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 20:52:48 No.51612219 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
Sleep was replaced with Drowsy so it was actually buffed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Oct 2022 23:32:09 No.51613198 Report

Quoted By:

>>51604407
>t. low elo retard
He is literally right, brainlet
if you think a boost is an auto-win, you're garbage in 6v6 singles.
Nothing of his wanted changes, do anything that makes "a stat boost" a fucking auto win, absolute mongoloid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:19:08 No.51613459 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598129
Comp is literally the ONLY good thing about Pokemon Gen 6 and later. Everything else is shit. There is nothing good left about the franchise other than comp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:21:22 No.51613477 Report

Quoted By: >>51613521 >>51613527

>>51597175
SHITCUNEBROS... ACK!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:26:27 No.51613521 Report

Quoted By:

>>51613477
>Drops from RU to NU
lol
lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:27:28 No.51613527 Report

Quoted By: >>51613553 >>51613773

>>51613477
>Raikou got gutted by the Hidden Power removal
>Suicine is getting gutted by the Rest nerf
>Entei has always been shit
Johtofags on suicide watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:32:27 No.51613553 Report

Quoted By:

>>51613527
>5PP
>8PP with PPmax
8 rest is still more than enough as long as there is no pressure ability mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:44:06 No.51613613 Report

Quoted By:

>>51605774
Maybe rest sleep is a special kind of condition? God I just hope frostbite comes back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 00:48:30 No.51613632 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597638
> I don't see how stall could function in 6v6 with such limited healing
Regenerator and mons that can use both Recover + Roost
Ho-Oh for example I think would be fine running two recovery moves + Toxic + Sacred Fire or Brave Bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:14:32 No.51613773 Report

Quoted By: >>51618196

>>51613527
Raikou got other options like Aura Sphere and Scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:20:33 No.51613817 Report

Quoted By:

>>51608098
Pressureboys where we at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:21:35 No.51613824 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597529
I’ll make you rest with ten pp.
Pistol Perforations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:23:51 No.51613836 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
I do think I like it BUT I also hope they're free of League Points once you're champion.
It would be convenient and would make sense too~

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:32:34 No.51613879 Report

Quoted By: >>51613900

>>51603552
The fact they've never tried to take down PKhex or improve their detection of hacked mons online gives much doubt they care at all.

As long as a pokemon isn't using illegal moves or stats it pretty much always bypasses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:35:46 No.51613900 Report

Quoted By: >>51613929

>>51613879
If they actively tried to ban people who use legal hacked mons their servers would become a desert in an instant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 01:39:27 No.51613929 Report

Quoted By:

>>51613900
Not to mention almost everyone in VGC world championships uses hacked mons or in wolfes case "receives" mons from fans who clearly hacked them.
Banning people who hack their pokemon would kill the competitive scene overnight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 03:42:23 No.51614549 Report

Quoted By: >>51619005

>>51597497
Making the TM's unlimited was one of the best QoL changes modern pokemon introduced. They could have just made it so you only have to craft it once, more/rare materials needed for the better ones and kept them unlimited afterwards. Now getting just one will be as much of a chore as filling up the Pokedex in Legends Arceus

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1658688942005.jpg, 54KiB, 512x512

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 03:55:13 No.51614610 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
It's over. The other recovery moves better have their PP nerfed too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 05:28:41 No.51615004 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597638
Reduce Protect pp to 5 as well. Hell make recovery moves recover less upon consecutive usage too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 05:36:51 No.51615058 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597638
You'd be surprised at the creative ways stall can come up with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:19:11 No.51615249 Report

Quoted By:

>184 days in hoenn is now dead
aw man

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:25:23 No.51615273 Report

Quoted By:

>>51610954
No fuck you, that would be overkill. Nerfing Recovery, Softboiled and Roost wouldn’t make sense since we already have Moonlight and Morning Sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:38:33 No.51615328 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
>Stall nerfed again
GOOD! Keep nerfing it until that "playstyle" is unsuable.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO Chicken-Chan2.jpg, 467KiB, 2078x2107

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:40:14 No.51615337 Report

Quoted By:

>>51606225
>implying regenerator isn't getting nerfed this gen as well
OH NO NO NO NO! STALLCHUDS ARE LIVING ON BORROWED TIME!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:49:30 No.51615378 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597529
>Frog
Leave.. NOW!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:51:59 No.51615385 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597881
Is it confirmed that Arceus weather changes is making it into SV? I hope so it was nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 06:53:15 No.51615388 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597881
Is it confirmed that Arceus status changes is making it into SV? I hope so it was nice.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1475661469676.png, 78KiB, 600x500

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 07:00:26 No.51615424 Report

Quoted By: >>51615829 >>51616494 >>51616543

>>dude infinite TMs make the games too easy!!
>ignores Camp/Refresh perks
>ignores Exp. ALL perks
>ignores Exp. Candies and Rare Candies
>ignores huge wild pokemon variety, giving you access to good pokemon early
>ignores Portable PC box for unlimited switching and teammaking
>ignores infinite Bag storage
>ignores Nature mint candies
>b-but infinite TMs are the problem, even though all it does is prevent your shitmon from being completely useless and stabless because it's shitty level movepool.
Ok, /vp/tards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 07:39:10 No.51615552 Report

Quoted By:

>>51598032
rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 09:21:25 No.51615829 Report

Quoted By:

>>51615424
Those are all bad, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 13:06:54 No.51616494 Report

Quoted By:

>>51615424
There are several problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 13:20:32 No.51616543 Report

Quoted By: >>51618741

>>51615424
The nature mints are post-game content which doesn't impact a normal playthrough. And they simply serve to make your normal playthrough pokemon viable for competitive use. Sorry eugenics bros, but that's a good thing. Some of us don't want to grind away hatching thousands of eggs, we just want to field our adventure companions on the PvP stage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 17:00:53 No.51617781 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
>t. Craftoor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 17:26:04 No.51617946 Report

Quoted By: >>51618082

>>51597175
TMs should go back to single use. Choices are good for RPGs.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO PikaSwitch.jpg, 23KiB, 200x233

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 17:31:38 No.51617978 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
>>51605693
>Attempt to balance the game by changing long standing healing moves and statuses
>Creates a Wild West metagame where Skarmory turns into a Ground type to reenact ADV on Magnezone but is then doused by Water type Magnezone
GameFreak...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 17:32:08 No.51617983 Report

Quoted By: >>51619032

Everyone in this thread is a fucking retarded sperg (except me)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 17:51:07 No.51618082 Report

Quoted By:

>>51617946
Single-use TMs are just too much of an annoyance if you want to participate in PvP battles and experiment with different builds. It would consequently create a strong incentive to just hack/inject whatever you want instead of acquiring and training your mons legally. At most you could make an argument for TMs to be single-use until the payer becomes Champ, then lift that restriction afterwards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 18:08:04 No.51618196 Report

Quoted By:

>>51613773
Other options that don't help it deal with Grass/Dragon/Electric types, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:18:21 No.51618741 Report

Quoted By: >>51618831 >>51618891 >>51618898

>>51616543
>The nature mints are post-game content which doesn't impact a normal playthrough
Not in PLA. You can grow as many as you want in that game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:33:30 No.51618831 Report

Quoted By:

>>51618741
The PLA ones are totally random.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:40:34 No.51618891 Report

Quoted By:

>>51618741
Good. Tying these stat tradeoffs to natures was probably a mistake in the first place. Wouldn't surprise me if GF utterly failed to grasp the implication that dedicated breeder autists would want about half of their broods to be timid and the other half to be jolly, with some modest and adamant mons making up for the margin of error. Stat tradeoffs should've been more flexible from the beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:41:43 No.51618898 Report

Quoted By:

>>51618741
Also, move tutor is busted as fuck in that game. You can teach your Shinx all three elemental fangs at early game for a small price.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:42:19 No.51618901 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
Unironically fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:44:09 No.51618908 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597497
>FORCED EXPSHARE GOOD BECAUSE GRINDING (not mandatory btw) IS LE.... BAD
>FORCED MATERIAL GRINDING GOOD BECAUSE GRINDING (mandatory if you want to have FUN movesets) IS LE..... BEST NEW FEATURE IN THE FRANCHISE!!!!

time to run :^]

time to run :^] Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:49:13 No.51618949 Report

Quoted By:

>>51608907
huzzah a actually smart person right here thank you

time to run :^]

time to run :^] Sat 08 Oct 2022 19:57:37 No.51619005 Report

Quoted By:

>>51614549
ok but legends arceus was fun and good tho

time to run :^]

time to run :^] Sat 08 Oct 2022 20:02:41 No.51619032 Report

Quoted By:

>>51617983
except me as well I actually am smarter than the average pokeshill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 20:04:27 No.51619044 Report

Quoted By: >>51619325

What retard actually plays main campaign Pokemon for the challenge? If you actually know anything about the type matchups, stats, and what pokemon to use, the game will always be easy no matter what.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 20:45:11 No.51619325 Report

Quoted By:

>>51619044
>What retard actually plays main campaign Pokemon for the challenge?
People who play other RPGs who want the difficulty of those games, but with Pokémon's gameplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Oct 2022 20:47:35 No.51619343 Report

Quoted By:

>>51597175
At least 130 HM too

Capcode	All Only User Posts Only Verified Posts Only Moderator Posts Only Manager Posts Only Admin Posts Only Developer Posts Only Founder Posts
Show Posts	All Only With Images Only Without Images Only Spoiler Images Only Non-Spoiler Images
Deleted Posts	All Only Deleted Posts Only Non-Deleted Posts
Ghost Posts	All Only Ghost Posts Only Non-Ghost Posts
Post Type	All Only Sticky Threads Only Opening Posts Only Reply Posts
Results	All Grouped By Threads
Order	Latest Posts First Oldest Posts First

On these archives

Your latest searches

Rest Nerf