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Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:21:40 No.51698961 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>51699016 >>51699071 >>51699121 >>51699297 >>51699320 >>51699948 >>51699990

What are some moves that got done dirty?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:27:46 No.51699016 Report

Quoted By: >>51699105 >>51699139

>>51698961
Dark Void.
It got nerfed because Smeargle abused it in VGC, and then it got changed so that Smeargle can't even use it but it's still nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:34:25 No.51699071 Report

Quoted By: >>51699100 >>51699116 >>51699918

>>51698961
Do you mean the animation? Cause crabhammer is amazing on the few things that get it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:40:26 No.51699100 Report

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>>51699071
Worse than waterfall and liquidation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:41:34 No.51699105 Report

Quoted By: >>51699123 >>51699144 >>51699618

>>51699016
it's broken on darkrai too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:43:09 No.51699116 Report

Quoted By: >>51699132

>>51699071
It is 95 power? And a 10% secondary I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:43:23 No.51699121 Report

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>>51698961
Aura Sphere past its gen 5 iteration.
You go from a super-fast piercing energy bullet to a small light bubble that pops at contact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:43:38 No.51699123 Report

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>>51699105
And Darkrai couldn't be used in the VGC at the time anyways due to being an eventmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:44:38 No.51699132 Report

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>>51699116
It's 100 power with an increased crit rate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:45:56 No.51699139 Report

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>>51699016
>it got changed so that Smeargle can't even use it
This is more offensive than the nerf, honestly. Such incredible cowardice

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:46:17 No.51699144 Report

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>>51699105
Darkrai was never allowed in VGC, so all it did was kill Darkrai in normal multiplayer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:46:24 No.51699146 Report

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>>51699132
Thats it. How is that worse than waterfall or Liquidation. It's 15-20 power higher and the crits can vaporize walls

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:46:26 No.51699147 Report

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>>51699100
Not really, it's still significantly stronger than either even if its inaccurate.
Crawdaunt in comp still uses Crabhammer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:47:17 No.51699152 Report

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>>51699146
Crawdaunt used Crabhammer!
>and crits can vaporize wa-
It missed!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:48:51 No.51699162 Report

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>>51699146
It's not even close to being worse. Crawdaunt has access to all 3 and opts for Crabhammer 100% of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:49:06 No.51699166 Report

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>>51699152
And yet people run stone edge and head smash. 90 or 95% accuracy is a very small chance at missing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:50:49 No.51699181 Report

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>>51699166
Mainly because they don't have a good alternative. If there was a 100 accuracy, 100 power version of Fire Blast, it'd always be used over the original.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:53:43 No.51699200 Report

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>>51699181
No shit? If there was a widely distributed 100 power 100 accuracy move with no downside for any type people would always use it.
Liquidation and Waterfall are 80 power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:55:51 No.51699213 Report

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>>51699146
>>51699200
100% accuracy is better than that slight increase in power, like >>51699181 said. People use flamethrower instead of Fire Blast despite a 50 BP difference for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 21:58:48 No.51699244 Report

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>>51699213
>People use flamethrower instead of Fire Blast
It's not recommended.
>50 BP
holy overkill, it has never been more than 30 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:01:07 No.51699268 Report

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>>51699244
Wait what.
How... I could swear Fire Blast and Hydro Pump were 150 BP. What the fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:01:23 No.51699270 Report

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>>51699213
Hats a choice and most droning players just copy safe team comps off of the internet. It is a viable option and luck is part of the game. If you can risk the miss then it's worth it. Depends on your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:02:09 No.51699281 Report

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>>51699268
holy fucking kek anon, Hyper Beam is the move with 150BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:02:17 No.51699283 Report

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>>51699213
>20 more power
>10% less accuracy
People will always choose that because the KO numbers are much better in exchange for missing rarely

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:02:21 No.51699285 Report

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>>51699213
>50 BP
Fire Blast is 110 Power, 85 Accuracy
Flamethrower is 90 Power, 100 Accuracy
20 Extra power is often not worth the 15% accuracy drop, but 20 extra power and 12.5% crit rate is absolutely worth the 10% accuracy drop.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:03:32 No.51699297 Report

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>>51698961
Teleport.

Hear me out. They improved the move so it's now really fucking good as of 8th gen, and it's in Let's Go AND the Virtual console games as a TM, so the coverage because incredibly and everything can learn it. Then they locked Pokemon who knew it out of being able to use it in online because they couldn't specifically learn the better version of Teleport in Sword and Shield. They improved the shit out of Teleport and made sure a ton of stuff had it just to tell players with Teleport Pokemon to go fuck themselves if they wanted to use it in online play. It's the worst version of move cucking.

Close second goes to Dizzy Punch. They finally released the VC games and you can get Pokemon from them with moves that existed nowhere else. Fucking Odd Egg Pokemon with Dizzy Punch! But then they cut the Pokemon who use Signature Move is Dizzy Punch from the games and because of that they completely cut the move out itself. And if you think you can sit on the Odd Egg Dizzy Punch users in Home and just use them in the next game, prepare to be disappointed! Home flags them as cheated in and strips them of an exclusive move. There are no plans to change it and it is likely never going to be updated so they wont be flagged. Dizzy Punch got fucking SHAFTED.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:03:38 No.51699298 Report

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>>51699268
Maybe learn what moves do before you try arguing about how good they are next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:05:30 No.51699319 Report

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>>51699281
What a tragedy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:05:31 No.51699320 Report

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>>51698961 (OP)
Teleport.

Hear me out. They improved the move so it's now really fucking good as of 8th gen, and it's in Let's Go AND the Virtual console games as a TM, so the coverage became incredible and almost everything can learn it. Then they locked Pokemon who knew it out of being able to use it in online because they couldn't specifically learn the better version of Teleport in Sword and Shield. They improved the shit out of Teleport and made sure a ton of stuff had it just to tell players with Teleport Pokemon to go fuck themselves if they wanted to use it in online play. It's the worst version of move cucking.

Close second goes to Dizzy Punch. They finally released the VC games and you can get Pokemon from them with moves that existed nowhere else. Fucking Odd Egg Pokemon with Dizzy Punch! But then they cut the Pokemon who use Signature Move is Dizzy Punch from the games and because of that they completely cut the move out itself. And if you think you can sit on the Odd Egg Dizzy Punch users in Home and just use them in the next game, prepare to be disappointed! Home flags them as cheated in and strips them of an exclusive move. There are no plans to change it and it is likely never going to be updated so they wont be flagged. Dizzy Punch got fucking SHAFTED.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:07:18 No.51699333 Report

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>>51699213
They're both 20 BP differences and people totally use Fire Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:08:06 No.51699346 Report

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>>51699270
Fortune favors the ambitious. I run technician instead of skill link on my cinccino and the KOs I can pull are insane. I rarely hit only twice, and three hits is a very minor drop in damage

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Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:40:17 No.51699553 Report

Quoted By: >>51699581 >>51699676 >>51700009 >>51700065

Ion deluge

I bet most of you guys didn't even know it existed. Gamefreak has pretended it doesn't exist since 6th gen and made most of the pokemon who could learn it dexlocked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:40:25 No.51699554 Report

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>gen 8 signature moves are all beyond busted
>old signature moves are either straight downgrades from normal moves, literally removed or spread to more pokemon

I hate gen 8 so much it's unreal

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:44:17 No.51699581 Report

Quoted By: >>51699613

>>51699553
It pops up on enemy teams in Clover

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:48:27 No.51699610 Report

Quoted By: >>51699709 >>51699953

Steamroller. It was a solid bug type move with a cool animation and they removed it for no reason. They didn't even cut Scolipede, they just took away his signature move. Sasuga, Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:48:42 No.51699613 Report

Quoted By: >>51699628 >>51699879

>>51699581
Neat. Is that rom as cringey as it looks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:49:58 No.51699618 Report

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>>51699105
not like it matters because no one is able to use darkrai on anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:51:00 No.51699628 Report

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>>51699613
It's an extremely fun game mechanically, maybe the most fun I've had. The jokes are what they are, if you cringe at a blackface Pokemon being the ideal HM slave I don't know what to tell you. It makes me laugh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:58:31 No.51699676 Report

Quoted By: >>51699681 >>51699692

>>51699553
Gen 5 and 6 introduced a lot of weird gimmicky status moves that are too situational do anything useful.
The Room variants, Power and guard split, Telekinesis, Quash, Bestow, Electrify, Magnetic flux, Flower shield, Powder, Rototiller, Venom drench, probably more I'm forgetting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 22:59:36 No.51699681 Report

Quoted By: >>51699696

>>51699676
>Power and guard split
>Bestow
pretty sure that's Gen 4
>Venom drench
pretty sure that's Gen 7

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:00:19 No.51699685 Report

Quoted By: >>51699892

Aeroblast, that animation in Gen 2 made it feel like it had such punch to it. Then it was changed in Gen 3 and never recovered

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:01:32 No.51699692 Report

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>>51699676
I don't know how good it is, but venom drench + toxic spikes is extremely satisfying

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:02:19 No.51699696 Report

Quoted By: >>51699698

>>51699681
Wrong on all counts.
Power Split, Guard Split and Bestow are gen 5.
Venom Drench is gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:02:41 No.51699698 Report

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>>51699696
huh. ogey

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:04:38 No.51699709 Report

Quoted By: >>51699716 >>51699717

>>51699610
Sasuga is supposed to be used when you admire what the superior person is doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:05:45 No.51699716 Report

Quoted By: >>51699720

>>51699709
Japanese people are also familiar with the concept of sarcasm

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:05:47 No.51699717 Report

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>>51699709
... anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:06:16 No.51699720 Report

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>>51699716
Yeah okay JSL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:33:57 No.51699879 Report

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>>51699613
It's fun and balanced, never feel overly challenging and most mons are viable with great moves. The jokes are very hit or miss, with some very low hanging fruits that might make you roll your eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:35:29 No.51699892 Report

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>>51699685
That's true for almost everything. Gen2 animations were the last time attack animations had punch, before getting neutered because muh kids game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:39:35 No.51699918 Report

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>>51699147
>>51699071
Yeah but on Kingler it's worse than Sheer Force boosted Liquidation

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Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:40:13 No.51699924 Report

Quoted By: >>51700091

>cool Signature move for the makuhita family
>based on cool sumo lore
>70 bp normal type for no reason.
>secondary effect works on paralyzed pokemon only, which is something the makuhita family can't easily cause themselves
>fucking HEALS paralysis after it's used
>all this on top of the makuhita family coming with a great move pool, so no matter what game you're playing this pokemon will already have access to way better moves
Why did they do this guy so dirty? Should've been fighting type at least, and shouldn't get rid of paralysis. At least then it'd be somewhat useful for in-game and have niche use in VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:43:10 No.51699937 Report

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>>51699270
the faster you kill your opponent's 6 mons the less likely they are to do the same for you so it's always worth running a stronger move so long as it lets you secure KOs and it lets you play around the downsides. The key is it has to be worth it as in it lets you secure a crucial KO by turning a 3HKO into a 2HKO or a 2HKO to a 1HKO.

that's why people ran explosion back in gens 1-4. guaranteed to KO your own mon but if you could remove a key piece of your opponent's strategy then it was worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:45:13 No.51699948 Report

Quoted By: >>51700034

>>51698961
Bubble beam and aeroblast sound effects, they felt powerful
Honorary mention to ice beam and blizzard, Gen 2 ice beam was amazing and blizzard now just turns your screen white, it's just not great
>>51699121
Shame, it actually looked cool
>>51699213
Bitch if I get stab I'm using fireblast, if I'm not using it on a Pokemon with stab like chomp and slowbro I will check my targets to see if I miss a 2hko with flamethrower, Fire blast is the one 110 power 85% acc move that is absolutely worth running just because ferrothorn exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:46:13 No.51699953 Report

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>>51699610
>they just took away his signature move
Game Freak sure does like nerfing Pokémon that don't need to be nerfed, like taking away Rock Polish from Aurorus's movepool in gen 8.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:52:09 No.51699990 Report

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>>51698961
>done dirty

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:54:50 No.51700009 Report

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>>51699553
I literally did not know this existed and thought you were Tentaquil'ing me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Oct 2022 23:57:55 No.51700034 Report

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>>51699948
Alot of anons are forgetting 20 extra power is actually 30 extra with stab. Something like crabhammer, fireblast, hydro pump get much better KO ranges and are worth the accuracy loss

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:01:50 No.51700065 Report

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>>51699553
I knew it existed solely because Zeraora's signature move has the same effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:04:57 No.51700091 Report

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>>51699924
Just get para with Force Palm :^)

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Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:10:36 No.51700129 Report

Quoted By: >>51700156 >>51700160 >>51700186 >>51700221

>Running a sub-95% accuracy move
>Ever

You can't score a 2HKO if you fucking miss entirely. If you rely on hitting Fire Blast twice just come up with a different strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:14:16 No.51700156 Report

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>>51700129
Someone is in need of crabhammer correction

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Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:14:28 No.51700160 Report

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>>51700129
>I have special eyes!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:20:00 No.51700186 Report

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>>51700129
>he hasn't 6-0 swept with a head smash tyrantrum
Embarassing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Oct 2022 00:27:19 No.51700221 Report

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>>51700129
Ever since I lost my Battle Tree streak because Silvally missed on a 95% accurate move I've always stuck to 100% accuracy no matter what.

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