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Anonymous Thu 20 Oct 2022 23:04:31 No.51713790 View View Reply Original Report

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This isn't a ranking of their character designs, their teams, or their canon skill level, but instead how competent their AI is.
Blue is at the bottom because he's ranked based on R/B/Y. Blue in FR/LG is between high average and low decent.

Agree? Disagree?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Oct 2022 23:12:58 No.51713845 Report

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>>51713790
Agree minus Hau. He should be lower imo.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Oct 2022 23:53:38 No.51714111 Report

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>>51713790
I definitely think Cynthia and HG/SS Lance/Red had weirdly good AI.
I remember them actually hard switching out at points, which I only remember because it's remarkable.

OP Fri 21 Oct 2022 00:20:00 No.51714295 Report

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>>51714111
Come to think of it, Gen 4's AI was actually quite good as far as the series is concerned. I remember Lance and Red switching too.
I also think HG/SS Clair (I didn't rank Gym Leaders, but I may make another list with some of them) was pretty good. I have a hunch her AI knew which move would crit, and always selected for that. I remember one time having a Dragonair out and she Hyper Beamed with Kingdra instead of Dragon Pulse. What do you know? Crit.
I was coming off of a Crystal playthrough more recently than the last time I touched HG/SS, so I think Gen 2's dumbassery (AI-wise, I'm not here to provoke a Genwar) was lingering in my mind.

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OP Fri 21 Oct 2022 00:45:59 No.51714424 Report

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>>51713790
Okay, I went and found a bigger list. It included Elite Four, Frontier Brains and Evil Team leaders. So I ranked them as per my best recollection.
And For Blue, Lance, Giovanni and Red I graded them based on the remakes. Giovanni's ranking would have been the same regardless. Maxie and Archie didn't get that treatment though as I've never finished OR/AS.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 02:03:51 No.51714814 Report

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>>51714424
Acerola's AI will switch pokemon on you in certain situations if she perceives some disadvantage. I'd probably move her up to average at least.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 02:19:09 No.51714893 Report

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>>51714424
>>51714814
IIRC almost all of (at least USUM) Alola's big npcs were given stronger AI than usual with the ability to switch.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 02:46:00 No.51715059 Report

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>>51714295
>I think Gen 2's dumbassery (AI-wise, I'm not here to provoke a Genwar)
I think "Early Gens had shit AI" is a fairly innocuous statement that pretty much everyone can agree with. While its a step up from Gen 1's that not a very high bar. Gen 2's Ai is if Gen 1's Ai stopped taking drugs, but still only has a novice's level of understanding.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:03:12 No.51715160 Report

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>>51713790
Why is leon seen as so retarded? I don't recall him doing anything to bad when I fought him though that was only the once

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:04:46 No.51715165 Report

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>>51713790
Leon spamming endeavor is just hilarious, his AI is truly atrocious

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:14:10 No.51715201 Report

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I actually lost to Leon because my team was relying on Dracovish to beat Charizard, but I had to use it to fight Aegislash and Cinderace with it, too, so Charizard was able to finish the job and start a sweep.
I just added a Coalossal to the team and it was easy the next time, though.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:19:27 No.51715222 Report

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>>51715160
Ghost moves on normal Pokémon, metalazer on resisted targets to self KO aegislash, endeavor spam on targets previously hit by endeavor or lower than their endeavor user, feint spam Cinderace, Charizard prioritizing weather and terrain setting over stab Gmax moves

The only component Pokemon in Leon team are Inteleon, Haxorus, Seismitoad, Mr Rhyme and Rhyperior, Inteleon doesn't spam tearful look, only uses it once, Seismitoad can use toxic but doesn't prioritize it same with rhyme and teeter dance, Haxorus and Rhyperior have four moves but unlike suicide Aegislash and shadowball all the normal Pokémon Dragapult they actually try to hit you with SE or neutral attacks, talking dragapult this thing prioritizes dragon breath and shadow ball over SE thunderbolt on water types for some reason, The AI seems to have a lot of issues with STAB calculation or that is done so that the fight is more "cinematic" and longer since Leon Pokémon don't use strong neutral attacks at all

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:35:40 No.51715300 Report

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>>51715222
>Ghost moves on normal Pokémon
Show a single example of this happening.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:39:27 No.51715314 Report

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>>51715300
I used Greedent to beat the game, dragapult did that twice, there is something wrong with Leon

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:54:10 No.51715368 Report

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>>51715160
His movesets are inexcusable for a Champion in this day and age.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 03:54:24 No.51715370 Report

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>>51713790
There's no way anything beats Gen 1 "Good AI" so Blue should have a tier all to himself. I haven't played Let's Go or SwSh. Are Leon and Trace notably bad? Do they even design champion AI to do anything unique? What is this really gauging? I know by Gen 3 AI know to go for KOs when they see one.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 04:48:28 No.51715574 Report

Quoted By: >>51715672 >>51716196

>>51713790
How the fuck is Cynthia not Utterly Braindead tier?

>>51715314
>i-it happened to me I swear
ah, so this thread is just a Cynthiaschizo trying to make Leon look bad, that explains it.

OP Fri 21 Oct 2022 05:15:18 No.51715672 Report

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>>51715574
>Lv 66
That's that Diamond and Pearl AI. I was basing the ranking off Platinum where she won't pull that shit. Funny AF to see that tho. DP AI being schizo and throwing is hilarious. Sometimes BW AI will do similar shit, but I don't have any specific examples to cite.
Even then, the "Utterly Braindead" tier has Gen 1 "Good" AI. Home of Alakazam mashing Reflect against Primeape because it's le super-effectiverino, and CHARIZARD using 20 Power Physical Rage when you have an Onix out. Nothing beats that, but the jankiness is part of Gen 1's charm.
>>51715222
>Ghost moves on a Normal Pokémon
This. A friend of mine saved a little bit before the Leon fight on his copy of Sword, and ran a bunch of different teams against Leon (Raid Battle massive exp. plus candies hits different)
On one of them he ran a Dubwool. Dragapult used Shadow Ball 4 times in a row. On the fucking Dubwool.
>>51715574
Oh and another thing,
Anime Leon MOGS Game Leon any day if the week holy shit. The "undefeated champion" bit actually works when his battling is at the whims of a semi-competent writer, not an overworked intern trying to get a rushed game out of the door.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 08:16:04 No.51716196 Report

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>>51715574
everyone knows that game Cynthia >> game Leon

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 08:26:12 No.51716218 Report

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>>51716196
Coomerbrains like you should be automatically banned.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 08:32:52 No.51716231 Report

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>>51716218
lmao cope pakischizo

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 08:35:46 No.51716240 Report

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>>51715672
>Sometimes BW AI will do similar shit, but I don't have any specific examples to cite.
Fairly sure it was an attempt to at lessen the difficulty. I don't remember Ghetsis ever throwing though, jesus.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 08:43:47 No.51716251 Report

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>>51713790
>watch some random video
>20 levels above Hau
>can switch before Hau send out his pokemons
>still lose 3 mons
I’m starting to believe Masuda was right. This game is too hard for the average player

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 08:53:25 No.51716270 Report

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>>51713790
I agree with your list for the most part although I’d switch Lance and Kukui around. Don’t recall Kukui being all that impressive AI wise.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 09:04:59 No.51716297 Report

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>>51716196
Only you schizo.
Any Leon > Any Cynthia

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 09:11:20 No.51716308 Report

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>>51716297
game Cynthia >> game Leon
Masters Cynthia > Masters Leon
anime Cynthia > anime Leon outside Galar
anime Cynthia ? anime leon in Galar

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 09:18:28 No.51716327 Report

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>>51716308
Nice headcanon.
Your jobber champion LOST btw.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 09:23:15 No.51716337 Report

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>>51716308
BASED

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 09:23:47 No.51716339 Report

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>>51716327
>Your jobber champion LOST btw.
.. but enough about kekeon

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 10:06:40 No.51716505 Report

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>>51716339
Leon won.
Your jobber didn't.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 10:10:27 No.51716532 Report

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>>51713790
i still can't believe they didn't give diantha's gardevoir any moves to use pixilate with

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 10:11:02 No.51716538 Report

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>>51716505
>Leon won.
lost*

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Anonymous Fri 21 Oct 2022 12:28:17 No.51717668 Report

Quoted By: >>51717805

>>51713790
I'm pretty sure Steven and Wallace have literally the same AI, why are they in different tiers?

OP Fri 21 Oct 2022 12:46:10 No.51717805 Report

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>>51717668
Maybe it's because I've played a LOT more Emerald than Ruby/Sapphire, but I've seen Wallace's AI do some...questionable shit.
I can't put him under Decent AI and feel confident about it with the amount of times his Wailord has tried to Double-Edge a Banette, Dusclops or Shedinja of mine (I like Ghost Types), or the number of times his Gyarados has tried to get 6 Dragon Dances off before it even considers attacking.
Episodes like that aren't common though, so I'm not dinging him too bad for shit almost every Gen 3 AI is liable to do.
I have yet to see the postgame Steven fight have similar errors, but I'm open to hear about any that (You)'ve run into.

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