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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:11:41 No.51745962 View View Reply Original Report

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I don't think open world is a natural progression for Pokemon as a franchise. In fact I am kinda sick of how other franchises jumped on the "open world" thing after BotW exploded in popularity. Some types of games are just not meant to be open world. I have this strong feeling that Paldea's world will be lifeless like the biomes in PLA were.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:12:50 No.51745974 Report

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>>51745962
zoomzoom!

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:14:18 No.51745989 Report

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Yeah but nu Pokemon was still linear even before PLA's semi-linearity happened, so if you're insisting they should dial it back, not gonna make things better regardless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:14:43 No.51745994 Report

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>>51745962
Pokemon "open world" could be great just as a linear pokemon game could be great. Neither will be when you take GF and then put them on short deadlines, its the classic recipe that gave us base SWSH and the empty "open world but actually strictly on rails" game that is known as PLA.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:15:33 No.51746005 Report

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Game Freak sucks at both linearities

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:25:08 No.51746119 Report

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>>51745962
>levels
I dislike scaling in ARPGs but I dont like the idea of curbstomping the first gym in the end because I skipped it. A waste of time
>overworld content
This is more of a Gamefreak problem than an open world JRPG problem. Dungeons and environmental puzzles with real 3d (party member interaction) mechanics would be cool.
>level design
Gamefreak problem
>enemy interaction
Pokemon needed to rework this ages ago. Route trainers individually have never been engaging mechanically. The routes themselves were about simple resource management
>story
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:38:32 No.51746234 Report

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>>51745962
>I don't think open world is a natural progression for Pokemon as a franchise.
Ok. What is then?
Because people have been asking for non-linearity in exploration years before SV was an idea.
Not saying either they or you are right or wrong though.

>I have this strong feeling that Paldea's world will be lifeless like the biomes in PLA were.
Ok, but that's just a bad execution of the OW concept, which is not what you said.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:40:44 No.51746256 Report

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>>51745962
Shut up you fucking retard and your tranny opinions. Just neck yourself already. SV is going to surpass Red and Blue in sales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:47:09 No.51746316 Report

Quoted By: >>51746349

Open world games lost their luster a long time ago. The market is oversaturated with them, just like it was oversaturated with first-person shooters a generation ago.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:52:44 No.51746349 Report

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>>51746316
I can't think of that many open world games

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:54:15 No.51746358 Report

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GameFreak is never gonna make a Pokemon game have any engaging difficulty, so letting the players engage in an open world is at least something to give the brain some activity
therefore open world is best

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:55:35 No.51746367 Report

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>>51745962
The funny thing is the only reason why botw is open world is because open world games were being churned out like crazy at that time.
And then the trend continued and never stopped. Botw only further reinforced the thread, it didnt start it.
And gamefreak is definitely not a competent studio that can make a good open world game. They can't even make good normal rpgs, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:55:57 No.51746372 Report

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>>51745962
>unovafag
>has retarded takes and wants more railroaded shit
checks out

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 18:59:50 No.51746395 Report

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>>51746372
Being open world does not automatically make a game better. Very few game are able to justify their open worlds.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:02:29 No.51746414 Report

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>>51745962
I completely agree, anon. But on the other hand I also don't really mind this change from pokemon into being almost a pure collectathon. It's *a* direction after pokemon having had a mindless direction for almost a decade now. It didn't have to be this but it's better than the same goyslop over and over again.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:03:32 No.51746421 Report

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>>51746395
Being linear boring garbage does not automatically make a game better. Very few game are able to justify their linearity.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:04:26 No.51746431 Report

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>>51746421
They don't need to justify it, because that's how how games work. Open worlds add nothing to most games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:04:53 No.51746438 Report

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>>51746395
They don't need to justify it, because that's how how games work. Linearity add nothing to most games.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:06:10 No.51746450 Report

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>>51746438
Things have beginnings, middles, and ends. Complaining about a game being a linear is like going to watch a movie, and complaining that the story had no branching paths.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:06:20 No.51746452 Report

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>18 posts
>not a single argument for why open world is actually bad
amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:07:12 No.51746457 Report

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>>51746452
It adds nothing but more empty space to the game, and destroys the pacing and level design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:08:30 No.51746471 Report

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>>51746457
>It adds nothing but more empty space to the game
not empty because pokemon and items are there
>pacing
buzzword that doesn't actually mean anything
>level design
the levels are still designed

still waiting for an argument

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:10:29 No.51746484 Report

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>>51746471
>because pokemon and items are there

Open world games need shit to do and collect, and Pokemon and items don't count, because linear Pokemon already have those.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:10:32 No.51746486 Report

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>>51746471
>pokemon are here
and they don't attack the player
>items are here
and you're not the one to pick them
>the levels are still designed
lol no

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:10:49 No.51746490 Report

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>>51745962
I think having a singular open-world title every year is good like PLA, but the mainline games should stick to being linear or almost linear. also because I just dont trust gf that much to make a fantastic open-world RPG and truly use the medium to its fullest

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:10:56 No.51746491 Report

Quoted By: >>51746516

>>51745962
>I don't think open world is a natural progression for Pokemon as a franchise
People have been expecting Pokemon to go full 3D since the N64. It is THE open world concept game series. What Pokemon game blew up even bigger than BotW?? Pokemon Go. Why? Because it delivered on the concept people were sold on since the beginning, you can walk two blocks and find a brand new Pokemon species you've never seen before. Pokemon has always been about exploring the open world and finding new Pokemon to befriend. Pokemon being stuck in corridors for 20+ years was the mistake.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:11:32 No.51746495 Report

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>>51746421
>>51746438
Linearity allows developers to craft real level design instead of a boring slog, compare Bloodborne to Elden Ring, the former shits completely on the latter when it comes to having a tight-knit well crafted experience that can also be enjoyable when replaying the game.
Open world is the cancer killing gaming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:11:49 No.51746500 Report

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>>51746471
>the speed at which a piece of entertainment moves is a buzzword

only on /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:12:39 No.51746509 Report

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>>51746395
Yes it does retard. Make the game more interactive, kids uuse their brain instead of followi g a predetermined path. But dont you worry, they will be npc interupting you every ten steps to tell you were to go

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:13:43 No.51746516 Report

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>>51746491
The only sensible person in this thread lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:15:07 No.51746525 Report

Quoted By: >>51746545 >>51746555 >>51746556

>>51746484
>Open world games need shit to do and collect,
So...Pokemon and items?
>because linear Pokemon already have those
So?

>>51746486
>and they don't attack the player
Yes they do.
>and you're not the one to pick them
Yes you are.
>lol no
The levels are designed in specific ways, therefore there's still level design.

>>51746495
>Linearity allows developers to craft real level design
Open world games already have real level design.

>>51746500
Woah, the speed of the entertainment randomly stops existing if the game is open world? Can you explain how that works?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:15:08 No.51746526 Report

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>>51746509
>kids uuse their brain instead of followi g a predetermined path.

Following a predetermined path doesn't mean you aren't using your brain.

Not having to use their brains is exactly why normies love open world "games" so much. Because they don't actually have to think, they can just run around doing whatever they want. If something is too hard for them, they can just ditch and go do something else. Open worlds are antithetical to good game design. They have no structure, and structure is integral to a good game.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:17:40 No.51746545 Report

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>>51746525
>Woah, the speed of the entertainment randomly stops existing if the game is open world? Can you explain how that works?

In an open world "game", the "pace" is whatever the player it wants to be. Because of this, there's no sense of urgency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:19:10 No.51746552 Report

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>>51746526
>play SV
>"hmm I see a pokemon in the distance, should I go there? or should I keep going to the next gym?"
>play BW
>"NOPE SORRY YOU CAN'T PROGRESS UNTIL NPC STOPS BLOCKING THE WAY PLEASE DO THE CURRENT CONTENT FIRST"

yeah bro definitely feeling that brainpower playing those ebin linear games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:19:31 No.51746555 Report

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>>51746525
>>and they don't attack the player
>Yes they do.
fucking inform yourself about the game before shilling, please I beg of you
this is getting annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:19:34 No.51746556 Report

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>>51746525
>Open world games already have real level design.

They don't. They're just big empty fields with no objectives or structure. You can't design an actual video game with an open world.

There is no "level design" in open world games. They just plop the player into a sandbox and let them fuck around. That's not a game. A game designer's job is to design the fun themselves, not make the player make their own fun.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:21:06 No.51746562 Report

Quoted By: >>51746576

>>51746545
>In an open world "game", the "pace" is whatever the player it wants to be.
Oh, so there is pacing? So your argument is worthless? Good to know.

>>51746555
The irony of this post is hilarious. People who played the game literally said there are Pokemon that attack you.

>>51746556
>They're just big empty fields
Prove it.

>with no objectives
Gyms/Team Star/Titans
try again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:21:58 No.51746568 Report

Quoted By: >>51746580 >>51746582 >>51748830

>>51746552
>"NOPE SORRY YOU CAN'T PROGRESS UNTIL NPC STOPS BLOCKING THE WAY PLEASE DO THE CURRENT CONTENT FIRST"

I can tell you're a retard who doesn't play anything other than Pokemon. Yes, that's literally how video games work. You can't progress to the next part of the game until you've proven that you're ready by beating the current part.

>What do you mean I can't go to World 2 until I beat World 1's boss?

This is you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:22:09 No.51746570 Report

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>>51746495
I think you missed a benchmark here, both elden ring and bloodborne are great
Also both games trust that the player will try to engage with the game for the sake of learning more about it, something Pokémon is lacking as of now

In previous games the linearity allowed badges to count not just as progression checks but for new areas with new Pokémon to be unlocked with them as a reward, exploring a cave would also end up rewarding the player with a new rare species only found in them

As of now we have lost that magic and open world might not be the best way to fix it, we need a better crafted experience in my opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:23:03 No.51746576 Report

Quoted By: >>51746608 >>51748824

>>51746562
If the "pacing" is different for everyone, then it doesn't exist. That's my point.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:23:35 No.51746580 Report

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>>51746568
>What do you mean I can't go to World 2 until I beat World 1's boss
I agree with your core argument, but that was just a bad analogy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:23:50 No.51746582 Report

Quoted By: >>51746598

>>51746568
>Yes, that's literally how video games work
I played BOTW and it didn't work that way, soo.....

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:25:20 No.51746590 Report

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The future is now old man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:26:07 No.51746598 Report

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>>51746582
BOTW is not a video game, it's a tech demo full of half-baked ideas and mechanics. Everything past the Great Plateau is blatantly unfinished and full of wasted potential

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:26:28 No.51746602 Report

Quoted By: >>51746709

>open world expectation
going off-track because you got distracted by a mountain filled with holes, it just rained so you use of your pokemon to dry it and another mon to climb it, harsh winds cause boulders to fall down but you manage to manoeuvre around them, you enter one of the holes and see a nest, pat yourself on the back for smuggling some rare eggs
>open world reality
can you take a picture of the new pikaclone please? You can find inside the empty forest ten steps from here. I will give you 10 great balls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:26:57 No.51746608 Report

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>>51746576
>genetics are different for everyone, therefore genetics don't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:27:10 No.51746612 Report

Quoted By: >>51746796

>>51746372
LITERALLY
RENT
FREE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:37:09 No.51746709 Report

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>>51746602
>pat on the back for smuggling eggs
I think you mean a fine pair of handcuffs and a trip to jail, followed by 100 hours of community service and a class on respecting wildlife
Now that's a realistic Pokemon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:44:27 No.51746796 Report

Quoted By: >>51746828

>>51746612
>posts image of gen 5 pokemon
>thinks the games being linear is some masterful design by game freak and not just them being lazy as fuck with region design because he didn't play the series back in gen 1-2 when there was more exploration

it's not exactly hard to tell OP is a unovafag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:46:43 No.51746828 Report

Quoted By: >>51746842

>>51746796
NTA but Gen 1-2 are linear, just because you can do a handful of things slightly out of order doesn't make them exploration focused open world games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:47:50 No.51746842 Report

Quoted By: >>51746918

>>51746828
>NTA but Gen 1-2 are linear,
Not even remotely as much as gen 5. No one plays gen 1 and goes
>"yep the focus of the series is meant to be linear railroaded shit, not exploring wherever you want"

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:54:37 No.51746903 Report

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>Pokémon Red isn't an exploration-focused open world game

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:55:49 No.51746918 Report

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>>51746842
I skipped Gen V so I don't know how that region is. But it has never bugged me playing a Pokemon game that I had to progress the plot to get access to more places and Pokemon, that is just how RPGs work. I mostly did the gyms in order in R/B, I never felt compelled to just walk past every single plot point so I could say I beat Koga before Sabrina or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:55:49 No.51746919 Report

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Just make couple upgraded wild areas and some railroad routes between them and its perfect

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 19:57:55 No.51746934 Report

Quoted By: >>51748719

Literally every single preview impression except Nintendo Life said the game does in fact feel fleshed out and lived in, and the open world is one of the best parts of the game. What is the point of getting preview impressions if you are going to completely disregard them to push a narrative?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:21:30 No.51748719 Report

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>>51746934
Because it's mostly about how they'll manage it for a whole game, and previews played only a small portion of the game
most of our concerns were not answered, therefore we disregard them. duh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:33:03 No.51748800 Report

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>>51745962
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and pokemon becomes a character action game because zoomies can't tolerate turn-based combat.

Whether pokemon would be a good character action game is another thing however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:34:42 No.51748811 Report

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>>51746526
It does when every npc on the way stop you on your tracks so that you follow it. The battle gameplay is the same, the exploration is better in open world. You never played one anyway, only pokemon. Your opinions dont matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:37:26 No.51748824 Report

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>>51746576
No retards, that means there are more choice for you you can still just do the gyks anyway, not like the game force you to explore all of it. If you dont care about it just dont play. You have bdsp for your faithfull pokemon game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:37:50 No.51748827 Report

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>>51745962
It's absolutely the natural progression. The hardest part of crafting an open world is giving the player an incentive to explore. Pokemon has the incentive built into the fucking franchise, they just need to actually design an interesting world and let exploring integrate with moment to moment gameplay better than they have. And get a new fucking engine for christ's sake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:38:33 No.51748830 Report

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>>51746568
The projections on this one. Its clear youre the one who dont know shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:38:58 No.51748832 Report

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>>51745962
>In fact I am kinda sick of how other franchises jumped on the "open world" thing after BotW exploded in popularity
Tell me how you're underage without saying you're underage. The open world fad began WAY before BotW you fucking idiot.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 23:59:50 No.51748984 Report

Quoted By: >>51749139

>>51745962
I've been saying the same thing since the open world meme first started on here. Pokemon is fundamentally a level-based RPG with boss fights gatekeeping the player from accessing parts of the map. You can't have a true open world in a game like this.

The best you can hope for is something like Crystal Clear or ROWE, but these were pretty lackluster in my opinion. Once the novelty of the free gym order wears off, the game feels boring and uniform.

Linear progression is not inherently a bad thing. Take Hoenn for example. The gyms have to be done in a fixed order (Brawly and Winona are technically skippable, but there's no real reason to do so), but the region is still praised as one of the best. I think /vp/ is mistakenly assuming open world = exploration when they're not the same thing, and you can have an open world game with very little to explore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 00:12:22 No.51749070 Report

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>>51745962
i get it, but i dont think it hurts pokemon to try it. its what people have been asking for for decades.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 00:21:45 No.51749139 Report

Quoted By: >>51749160 >>51749177

>>51748984
>Pokemon is fundamentally a level-based RPG with boss fights gatekeeping the player from accessing parts of the map
The only way you could possibly think this is if you’re a unovatard and never played any of the games older than Platinum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 00:24:23 No.51749160 Report

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>>51749139
I played Emerald platinum and crystal, it’s very level based, why are you lying on a mongolian basket weaving image board

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>>51749139
>brings up Unova for no reason
Every time

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