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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:15:45 No.51754991 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>51755007 >>51755012 >>51755019 >>51755050 >>51755055 >>51755194 >>51755324 >>51755441 >>51755447 >>51755569 >>51755683 >>51756654 >>51757112 >>51757438 >>51759919

>orange pikachu
>cartoon pig
>green blob with a olive on its head
>just a dog
>just a dog but it is ghost type
>crab that looks stupid
>diglett but it is white and longer
>a fat blob that looks like a frog but isn't one
>disney lemur with hoodie
>wooper but with a different color
What the hell? Pokemon isn't about cool monsters anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:17:37 No.51755007 Report

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>>51754991
It's called soul. Cry about it, Zoomer. (If the starters evolve into furry faggot shit I revoke this statement and will join you in shitting on the troons working at GameFreak)

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:17:48 No.51755012 Report

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>>51754991
>its ok when gen 5 does it

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:18:34 No.51755019 Report

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>>51754991
entire gen has nu-gen routemon syndrome

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:19:04 No.51755026 Report

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:20:04 No.51755041 Report

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>raichu
>mankey
>oddish
>growlithe
>krabby

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:20:05 No.51755042 Report

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>>51755007
>(If the starters evolve into furry faggot
By furry shit you mean what exactly?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:20:48 No.51755050 Report

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>>51754991
idk that list sounds pretty lit to me

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:21:17 No.51755055 Report

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>>51754991
they shown literally shitmons you fucking idiot, they always do

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:22:27 No.51755062 Report

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>>51755041
They all had good designs tho. I can't say the same about this gen.
The only one I love is the new crab

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:29:58 No.51755142 Report

Quoted By: >>51755167 >>51755181 >>51755191

>>51755042
Bipedal humans wearing fursuits. Anything that looks like a grotesque fetish of faggots. Examples being Lucario, Incineroar, Inteleon, Soccer Bugs Bunny, and countless other examples of trash designs for degenerate creeps.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:32:38 No.51755167 Report

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>>51755142
Being humanoid animals doesn't make them furry. By your logic, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are furry

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:34:18 No.51755181 Report

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>>51755142
>Bipedal humans wearing fursuits. Anything that looks like a grotesque fetish of faggots
so charizard

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:35:18 No.51755191 Report

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>>51755142
What about Gardevoir? There is no fur. The anatomy also deliberately wonky (presumably to pre-emptively address any easy sexualization, not that it worked).
What about weird mechanically-looking bipedal pokemon?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:35:26 No.51755194 Report

Quoted By: >>51755215 >>51755225 >>51755365

>>51754991
Pokemon was always about cute and cartoony designs. Satoshi Tajiri was pushing for those types of designs since Gen I. And of course a game about fantasy critters is going to heavily borrow from our own critters in the real world. Crying about those types of designs is like a SMT crying about designs based off myths and spirits.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:36:03 No.51755198 Report

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>>51755167
Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are both furry icons, yes, you fucking retard. Jesus Christ, Pokemon are best when they're monsters or fantasy animals, not human language speaking mascots that act like specific cartoon characters. When Pokemon stop being species where each mom can have its own unique personality within the species, and instead Pokemon become a bunch of clones, where every Inteleon has the same personality like they're all one specific cartoon character, is when the soul dies.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:37:23 No.51755215 Report

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>>51755194
>Pokemon was always about cute and cartoony designs.
So like the original anime then? Which had great pokemon designs? Your point then being?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:38:24 No.51755225 Report

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>>51755194
Yes but the Kanto starters looks both cool and cute, you can't say the same about the Paldea starters.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:39:26 No.51755235 Report

Quoted By: >>51755265 >>51755268 >>51755430

>>51755181
No, Charizard is a fantasy creature and the species of Charizard allows for lots of different personality types for different unique Charizard. Not every Charizard is a wrestler, not every Charizard is a spy or a soccer player, Charizards are an actual species of creature, unlike the furry faggot jobmons that all act the same.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:40:19 No.51755243 Report

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>>51755198
>When Pokemon stop being species where each mom can have its own unique personality within the species, and instead Pokemon become a bunch of clones, where every Inteleon has the same personality like they're all one specific cartoon character,

It's not their fault you have no imagination. A Pokemon species being based on a secret agent or a soccer player doesn't mean different members of the species can't have different personalities. We've even seen that on display.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:42:28 No.51755265 Report

Quoted By: >>51755291

>>51755235
>Not every Charizard is a wrestler, not every Charizard is a spy or a soccer player,

"Wrestler", "spy", or "soccer player" are roles, not personalities. The only thing those define are how the Pokemon functions in battle. Their actual personalities can still differ between different members of the species.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:42:52 No.51755268 Report

Quoted By: >>51755352

>>51755235
>Not every Charizard is a wrestler, not every Charizard is a spy or a soccer player,
You are right, fire breathing giant dragon is definitely a waiter at the nearby cafe.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:44:48 No.51755291 Report

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>>51755265
>heel
>genki
>bondesque

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:48:17 No.51755324 Report

Quoted By: >>51755344 >>51755514 >>51756786

>>51754991
>>orange pikachu
Neopet
>>cartoon pig
Aside from the name, the design is good
>>green blob with a olive on its head
Neopet
>>just a dog
Interesting concept, subpar execution
>>just a dog but it is ghost type
Take the candle off it's head and it's a 8/10. Don't like the mouth
>>crab that looks stupid
Solid mon
>>diglett but it is white and longer
Regional variants and their consequences have been a disaster for the pokemon franchise
>>a fat blob that looks like a frog but isn't one
Neopet
>>disney lemur with hoodie
Breddy gud
>>wooper but with a different color
Regional variants and their consequences have been a disaster for the pokemon franchise

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:48:24 No.51755327 Report

Quoted By: >>51755778

>games have literally had personality descriptors for every Pokemon since Gen 3 (AKA natures and characteristics)

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:49:02 No.51755336 Report

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>>51755243
>A Pokemon species being based on a specific profession doesn't mean they can't have multiple personalities
What, like good soccer player or bad soccer player? Lmao, no. They all look like they're wearing the same clothes, like they already have an outfit on over their animal body. It isn't a lack of imagination on the part of the player, it's a lack of imagination on the part of the designers. They designed a cartoon protagonist, instead of a blank slate animal species. Every Inteleon is the same, every Incineroar is the same. There's a reason why Machamps don't get as much love as Charizard, and it's because every Machamp is basically the same. They're muscle men, that's it, while a Charizard can be a lot of different things. The more specific the design is, the worse it is. Why is classic Weezing better than Galarian Weezing? Because classic Weezing isn't so specific, it's not a British guy with a beard and a top hat, it's an actual species of creature.

Imagine if you went to the animal shelter to adopt a pet and there were Golden Retrievers, Pitbulls, Pugs, German Shepard, and then one species of dog where every dog wears a sumbrero and exists to make tacos, every one of those sumbrero wearing dogs is permanent taco chef and they'll only be happy if you let them have access to your kitchen and cook tacos all day, if you every try to do anything with the dog aside from cook tacos it will get depressed. That's what jobmons are like.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:49:26 No.51755344 Report

Quoted By: >>51755378

>>51755324
take the candle off its head and it's not a pokemon anymore, it's just a cartoon dog

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:50:22 No.51755352 Report

Quoted By: >>51755384 >>51755395

>>51755268
No Pokemon should be a waiter at a restaurant, that's fucking gay faggot shit. Does your Cat work a 9 to 5 at the local 7/11?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:51:27 No.51755365 Report

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>>51755194
Sauce?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:51:48 No.51755366 Report

Quoted By: >>51755387

>>51755336
>They designed a cartoon protagonist, instead of a blank slate animal species. Every Inteleon is the same, every Incineroar is the same.

Within the anime alone, Cross's Incineroar, Kukui's Incineroar, and Ash's Incineroar all had different personalites.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:52:28 No.51755378 Report

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>>51755344
Just like Gen 1

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:53:06 No.51755384 Report

Quoted By: >>51755415

>>51755352
My cat does not talk or produce human vocals. It also does not understand my speech. Nor does it behave like a full-fledged person with his own worries and enjoyments.
If my cat was in any way equal to concept of a Pokemon I wouldnt be here.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:53:26 No.51755386 Report

Quoted By: >>51755411

>>51755215
My point is that the OP crying about designs that have been present since Gen I. I mean crying about "just a dog" when Pidgey exists. As shown in Tajiri's biography friendly designs are the key factor here. According to the biography Ken Sugimori saw Pokémon as friendly beasts so the main inspiration for Pokémon was, and I would argue still is, real animals in our world. Tajiri's issue with this wasn't the source of inspiration or what he thought Pokémon are, he himself think of Pokémon as being like cats and dogs, but just that fact that Sugimori's designs weren't friendly looking enough.

It's revealed that's why Tajiri hired 3 other artist to make friendlier designs *and* expand the variety of designs. Basically people have this narrow view of what a Pokémon should look like when in reality Pokémon designs are varied in inspiration and the things people bitch about have been present since Gen I.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:53:29 No.51755387 Report

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>>51755366
>But the anime, though!
Nice avoiding of all the points I raised. The anime trying to salvage dogshit designs doesn't change anything I've said.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:54:05 No.51755395 Report

Quoted By: >>51755432

>>51755352
>No Pokemon should be a waiter at a restaurant

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:55:42 No.51755411 Report

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>>51755386
>According to the biography Ken Sugimori saw Pokémon as friendly beasts

Why does it matter?
Why do I, or you, or anyone else should care?
It is no longer about some original incel fantasy, it is about what it became NOW. What it grew into, especially in the community. As a concept and an idea, Pokemon does not belong to anyone now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:55:58 No.51755415 Report

Quoted By: >>51755494

>>51755384
>It also does not understand my speech
You really shouldn't own an animal if you think they can't understand you. You're a dogshit pet owner if that's true. Take your cat back to the shelter right now.
>My cat can't talk
Neither should Pokemon, you retard. Only Mewtwo was originally able to communicate using human language and that's because he was a psychic genetic abomination. Not even Mew talked, and things were better that way.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:57:18 No.51755430 Report

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>>51755235
every charizard is hot pot bellied milf/dilf

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:57:31 No.51755432 Report

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>>51755395
That shit you just posted in that screenshot is stupid. It's dumb. I don't know why you think that dumb shit existing in a franchise that continues to make bad choices is an argument against what I'm saying.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:58:24 No.51755441 Report

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>>51754991
The crab IS A COOL MONSTER

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 15:58:44 No.51755447 Report

Quoted By: >>51755498

>>51754991
Pokemon was never about cool monsters. It is about monsters designed to embody things from the real world as an allegory for a child growing up and seeing the wonders of the real world (before they become a wageslave). I guess your brain is too weak to understand basic ideas that the games feed to you. That being said, Galar had a load of pointless trash that made no sense like Mr mime becoming jimmy saville and dog becomes different dog and is electric for no reason and tea but a ghost.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:02:48 No.51755488 Report

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>>51755041
>>raichu
Language concept
>>mankey
Honestly don't know wtf Mankey is meant to be
>>oddish
Mandrake root
>>growlithe
Komainu
>>krabby
My mom's crab

All are fine, but I don't know what Mankey is based on personally.
>>51755062
Define "good design", because it literally just means that what the thing is meant to be based on is apparent. All of the new mons shown so far are very obvious. The aesthetic is not as distinctive or charming as the original pokemon and they really need to get the franchise's identity back.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:03:25 No.51755494 Report

Quoted By: >>51755508

>>51755415
> You really shouldn't own an animal if you think they can't understand you.
I think you are either confused or just a moron. They understand my expression. They dont understand my speech. Did you know there is an ancient million dollar bounty if someone finds or raises an animal that capable actually understanding human speech? LIke, UNDERSTANDING.

> Neither should Pokemon, you retard.
>A creature that checks all the boxes for sentience, sapience and intelligence should not speak.
Imagine if humans were all born without speech. Or hearing. or sight. How do you think this would affect evolution of their brain?

> Only Mewtwo was originally able to communicate using human language and that's because he was a psychic genetic abomination.
All psychic can connect with people by definition, in one way or another. The whole limitation on their speech is purely artificial for cutesy aspect and for the narration sake. Coherent speech and ability to directly express one's thought was always seen as a cornerstone of intelligent species. You can't have such species to be put in pokeball or slave-fight on the arenas, that's becomes a bit concerning and odd. So the abstraction was created for the series as a way to ease this aspect. Not that it helped much, Pokemon ARE esentially slave in canonical universe

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:03:43 No.51755498 Report

Quoted By: >>51755556

>>51755447
Nice headcanon, you fucking sperg.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:05:04 No.51755508 Report

Quoted By: >>51755561 >>51755590

>>51755494
Pokemon aren't supposed to be humans, holy shit, that's my entire point. When they make them more like humans instead of like non-human animals, that's the problem. Learn to comprehend other people's arguments, retard.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:05:18 No.51755514 Report

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>>51755324
>Aside from the name
Lechon plus honk/oink is bad how?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:08:57 No.51755556 Report

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>>51755498
Where did I post headcanon? Where did I sperg? I posted factual information.
Keep crying, keep being angry because a children's game is too high concept for you.
The only pokemon that is a random monster is the Bulbasaur line, which is intentionally the idea of random monster

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:09:15 No.51755561 Report

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>>51755508
>Pokemon aren't supposed to be humans, holy shit, that's my entire point.
I neve said they should be? I agree, that is the entire point. It is essentially same reason why it is dumb to add tits to Gardevoir, for example. Same underlying core reason. I agree with you wholeheartedly here.

> When they make them more like humans instead of like non-human animals, that's the problem.
I disagree. I think the visual designs or Braixen/Kirlia/Gardevoir are great. They are still keeping the same approach to the rest of characterization and archetype, but trying to move from feral design for wider freedom.
Some, though, do become a bit weird, like Delphox. In the anime, at least, she behaves way too human, which at moments almost jarring.

> Learn to comprehend other people's arguments, retard.
You made multiple arguments, I agreed with some, disagreed with the rest. If you have got confused in your own discussion then scope down an focus on something single

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:09:34 No.51755569 Report

Quoted By: >>51756277 >>51756329

>>51754991
this
You forgot the fat "whale" thing

>>51755007
fpwp

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:10:11 No.51755576 Report

Quoted By: >>51755596

you will never be the target audience anymore

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:10:18 No.51755578 Report

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>>51755026
come to daddy
also happiness doesn't exist

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:11:10 No.51755590 Report

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>>51755508
I agree with your logic. A lot of the newer monsters have no nuance to them. They are way too literal. A lot of the older mons are half baked too, though. There are some seriously underdeveloped ideas in the newer couple of generations of pokemon and that's a failure of the decision makers at gamefreak, as well as the pressure to make monsters easy to turn into plush toys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:12:04 No.51755596 Report

Quoted By: >>51755629

>>51755576
I don't even watch the show or play the game. Garevoir's concept and design alone got me in, but I still havent succumbed to the ashnime or game series (outside of the episodes with waif)

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:15:51 No.51755629 Report

Quoted By: >>51755677

>>51755596
It's so easy to lie on the internet anon. It's ok, like the rest of /vp/, we know you pre ordered SV anyway

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:21:07 No.51755677 Report

Quoted By: >>51756615

>>51755629
Kek.
I mean, if I had a way to prove it I did probably do it, just for the sake of it, but I dont really care. I like some pokemans but anime is too childish. And the games... before I even discovered pokemon games I've experienced the same gameplay design but in much more complex and interesting form. And since then there hasnt been a single advancement on the field. Literally every single Pokemon game is the same, 1:1, pure carbon copy trash. I can understand playing one of them out of curiosity, but repeatedly suffering through ALL of them all your life is fucking madness

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:21:40 No.51755683 Report

Quoted By: >>51755784

>>51754991
>just a frog
>turtle with a squirrel tail
>just a rat
>just a bird
>just a bird (again)
>just a worm
>just another worm
>just a bee
>just a butterfly
>just a rat (forma de yellow)
>just a pangolin
>THREE seperate lines that are just offshoots of kirby
wow its almost as its never been entirely about """cool monsters""

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:29:56 No.51755778 Report

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>>51755327
BIDDOOOOOFFFFFFFFFF
>verification not required

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:30:18 No.51755784 Report

Quoted By: >>51756246

>>51755683
>>just a frog
Where?
>>turtle with a squirrel tail
You mean Squirtle? It doesn't have a squirrel tail
>>just a rat
Yes.
>>just a bird
Kind of.
>>just a bird (again)
There are a lot of birds and showing basic animals and then scaling up the concepts is basic game design to have the child playing first see "this is a bird ok" and then think about the ones that aren't so simple. Sorry your brain can't handle basic thought.
>>just a worm
Where?
>>just another worm
Shuckle? That's the only worm.
>>just a bee
There is no just a bee pokemon
>>just a butterfly
Hm?
>>just a rat (forma de yellow)
That's a pun monster based on Japanese language, not a rat
>>just a pangolin
Not really.
>>THREE seperate lines that are just offshoots of kirby
You're being deliberately retarded.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 16:39:07 No.51755897 Report

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No. Go design your own.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:06:37 No.51756246 Report

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>>51755784
>>>just a frog
He probably meant Bulbasaur which is dumb for several reasons
>>>turtle with a squirrel tail
Just a turtle then
>>>just a bird
Yes. Most of the pokemon birds are kinda just birds.
>>>just a bird (again)
Yes
>>>just a worm
Probably meant Caterpie. Which should be just a caterpillar in that case.
>>>just another worm
Probably meant weedle. I guess it's kinda worm like.
>>>just a bee
Probably meant Beedrill which is more of a wasp creature
>>>just a butterfly
Butterfree. Yes.
>>>just a rat (forma de yellow)
Pikachu is a weird rat creature to be fair.
>>>just a pangolin
Yeah. Not really.
>>>THREE seperate lines that are just offshoots of kirby
I also think this is dumb but there are a lot of pink round fellas

Most of the early mons are simple. But being simple is not a bad thing.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:10:26 No.51756277 Report

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>>51755569
I hate to say it but that whale pokemon is one of the better ones. SV is a sad state of affairs.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:16:03 No.51756322 Report

Quoted By: >>51756367

>>51755198
>When Pokemon stop being species where each mom can have its own unique personality within the species, and instead Pokemon become a bunch of clones, where every Inteleon has the same personality like they're all one specific cartoon character, is when the soul dies
So you mean in gen 1, where every single Cubone is sad because every single one of its mothers died? Where every single Voltorb is easily irritable? Retard.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:17:04 No.51756329 Report

Quoted By: >>51756718

>>51755569
Megaman looking humanoid trashmons, hardly carrying shit.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:22:21 No.51756367 Report

Quoted By: >>51756387

>>51756322
>Look, mah, I found an exception to the rule!
The exception proves the rule. Cubones, Mr. Mimes, and Voltorbs were not the majority, now they are the majority. Keep coping, though, bootlicker.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:24:30 No.51756387 Report

Quoted By: >>51756553

>>51756367
>now they are the majority
Sure they are. And the most popular and shilled starter is the world is composed entirely of a species of proud ones that never fight a weaker foe.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:44:02 No.51756553 Report

Quoted By: >>51756583

>>51756387
Nice cope, but you wouldn't get this angry if you didn't subconsciously realize I was right. Your cognitive dissonance creates that pain you're feeling.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:48:10 No.51756583 Report

Quoted By: >>51756609

>>51756553
That pain...the pain that every single Psyduck goes through. Almost as painful as Ninetales's curse since, you know, every single one of them, "very smart and vengeful". Not as bad as the one from the species-wide "always furious and tenacious to boot" Primeape though.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:51:13 No.51756609 Report

Quoted By: >>51756637

>>51756583
That's very typical of Pokemon universe. The moment you try to make some sense or question its structure it falls apart.
Why? The answer is simple, because it is a fucking franchise about cute pocket monster, not a Game of Pokes (sadly)

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:51:40 No.51756615 Report

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>>51755677
>I mean, if I had a way to prove it I did probably do it
Translation: I can't admit I bought it anyway so I will parrot opinions /vp/ screeches in hopes to fit in.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:54:12 No.51756637 Report

Quoted By: >>51756650 >>51757096

>>51756609
Nah, if you have a working brain you can see that the monsters are designed based on real life creatures, objects and concepts and the descriptions are to make the concepts more apparent. That is all. That is what pokemon are. It is simple. It is obvious.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:55:38 No.51756650 Report

Quoted By: >>51756699

>>51756637
>Nah, if you have a working brain you can see that the monsters are designed based on real life creatures
*were designed originally.
There are no creatures resembling Volcanoid or Gardevoir or some more exotic like Ice Cream one.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 17:57:05 No.51756654 Report

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>>51754991
so sad
at least they anren't woke

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:02:38 No.51756699 Report

Quoted By: >>51756733 >>51757096

>>51756650
>Objects and concepts
Your brain obviously does not work.
Gardevoir is a more abstract concept than the newer trash, sure. Vanillite is a fun gimmick turning the concept of pokemon on its head; where the concept of the fucking series is that pokemon are based on real life things, vanilites concept is that the real life things of the pokemon world are based on the pokemon first - which further makes the pokemon world a refraction of our own world. It's very simple concept, but clever also. Nothing the average 10 year old can't figure out, but you're like 40? And you're furious that you can't understand it? Sad.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:04:41 No.51756718 Report

Quoted By: >>51756889

>>51756329
The humanoid Pokemon have always been the most popular ones

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:06:41 No.51756733 Report

Quoted By: >>51756961

>>51756699
>Your brain obviously does not work.
Anon, I'm sorry to inform you, but your brain works. It just it seems to have delayed its development.

> fictional creation based real life creatures, objects and concepts

Anon, you're just described 101% of most of the human fiction and underlying reason how it works. Xeno (Alien), fantasy, etc etc - EVERYTHING is drawn by creators from real life. Do you know why? Because it happens to be the ONLY ONE FUCKIGN REALITY we have to begin with. So we work with what we have.

Congrats on reaching the puberty. Try "War and Peace" next, very eye opening.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:13:10 No.51756786 Report

Quoted By: >>51758732

>>51755324
>Don't like the mouth
You're such a fucking faggot holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:24:38 No.51756889 Report

Quoted By: >>51756966

>>51756718
Yeah, Pickachu, Charizard, and Eevee, all less popular than Jinx, Mr. Mime, and Hitmonchan.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:31:08 No.51756961 Report

Quoted By: >>51757023

>>51756733
>no you are the stupid one because I am unable to understand the basic ideas you have now explained to me multiple times with examples.
Why are you having such a hard time with basic ideas?
The point of Pidgey is to be a pigeon. That is the point. It is effective and therefore good. The point of all pokemon is to reflect the thing they represent. It is simple.
Not all fiction is based on this premise. In fact, the strength of fiction is that it doesn't need to abide by reality. HP Lovecraft's stories are powerful purely because he writes about unknowable things, something that can only be achieved in writing.
Pokemon are allegorical monsters. That is the premise of all pokemon. The series is unique in its broad scope of adapting every/any concept into a monster. Any thing can be realised as a pokemon. This is a positive thing.
What are you trying to argue exactly? I'm just responding to adults who don't understand these basic ideas. Why are you trying to argue with me when you clearly don't understand them either?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:31:31 No.51756966 Report

Quoted By: >>51756982

>>51756889
>Pikachu

Was redesigned to be more humanoid so it can move and pose more easily.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:33:13 No.51756982 Report

Quoted By: >>51757031

>>51756966
lmao

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:37:49 No.51757023 Report

Quoted By: >>51757067

>>51756961
>Why are you having such a hard time with basic ideas?
You are the one having the problem here. You tried to make some argument about pokemon and the subj, but ended up with primitve deconstruction of fiction as a genre and a ground field. Okay, cool exercise. Pokemon is a fiction and follows the same core rules and uses the same building blocks as any other fiction. The point? Where is the fucking point related tp the discussion? Did you forget it on the way here? Please retrace your steps.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:38:51 No.51757031 Report

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>>51756982
It's true

https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/creator-profile-the-creators-of-pikachu/

>Sugimori: We were also influenced by the introduction of the animation. Since the animation had them doing a variety of movements, including human-like gestures, we changed the shape of Pikachu's body to make acting easier. While Pikachu was originally very short and stout, we gradually gave it a more defined neck and elongated its spine. The Pikachu appearing in the Pokémon series released after the broadcast of the animated series was influenced by how it appeared in the show.

Pikachu was redesigned because fat Pikachu was too hard to animate.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:42:43 No.51757067 Report

Quoted By: >>51757096

>>51757023
I never talked about fiction at all, we are discussing the general concept behind the monsters in the series. You're not even on topic.
Tell me "fiction" is a monster designed to represent a concept from the real world? It's not even valid sentence. You're a moron. Please stop actively refusing to understand what I wrote, thank you

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:47:24 No.51757096 Report

Quoted By: >>51757397

>>51757067
>I never talked about fiction at all, we are discussing the general concept behind the monsters in the series. You're not even on topic.

This:
>>51756699
>>51756637
is a basic deconstruction of a fiction as a genre and creative approach through the lens of pokemon. The conclusions you make not particularly relevant to the subject in question because they are generic. yes, we know Pokemon, as a fiction, inspired by real life things. Yes they resort to some of the known, ole-good approaches on the field. Okay?

> Tell me "fiction" is a monster designed to represent a concept from the real world?
...what. Stop speaking nonsense

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 18:49:06 No.51757112 Report

Quoted By: >>51758339

>>51754991
>It was ok when gen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 had designs like that but NOW I'm upset
kek

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 19:16:56 No.51757397 Report

Quoted By:

>>51757096
No it's not, you retard. It's an explanation of the concept behind pokemon designs. Literally. I didn't talk about fiction at all you fucking weirdo.
>...what. Stop speaking nonsense
You literally just called your own posts nonsense because that's what you're saying to me.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 19:20:33 No.51757438 Report

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>>51754991
You say this now? Where were you when they made a Dugtrio in a wig or an Exeggutor with a long neck?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 19:21:50 No.51757449 Report

Quoted By:

>>51755007
>It's called swolllxxxx zoomer lmao xDDD senpai
t. someone born in 2005 whose posting on /vp/ for the first time.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 20:57:33 No.51758339 Report

Quoted By:

>>51757112
Because Gen 1-8 didn't show a lot of cutemons and mememons like Gen 9 is doing

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 21:44:36 No.51758732 Report

Quoted By:

>>51756786
suck my cheesy cock, nigger

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:07:41 No.51759919 Report

Quoted By: >>51760294

>>51754991

>Pokemon isn't about cool monsters anymore?

Does this (image) answers your question, Anon?

The "cool monsters"-type Pokemon back in the day were literally designed similar to that of generic RPG monsters with some real-world animals inspiration sprinkled in.

Just play the Gen 1 games, and then play the other RPG games back in the 90s and will see my point.

You don't see those types of shit anymore because ever since the whole RPG craze of the 90s has died out, so GF decided to make their monsters more fleshed out and original instead of bland-looking fantasy creatures.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:57:38 No.51760294 Report

Quoted By: >>51760616

>>51759919
[HEADCANON]

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:46:51 No.51760616 Report

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>>51760294

Even if you disagree, there were also the concept of summoning monsters in RPGs that could be seen as an earlier version of the whole monster-collecting genre that Pokemon has since popularized. The first games were still just like any other RPGs series at the time.

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