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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:09:44 No.51758951 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>51758955 >>51759021 >>51759043 >>51759123 >>51759177 >>51759197 >>51759288 >>51759327 >>51759412 >>51759649 >>51760552 >>51760899

>Terastalize let's you keep STAB
>You gain a third one or get a free adaptability
>You keep STABs in addition to your new defensive type
>No item required
What in the actual fuck were they thinking?
Literally any Pokemon can counter it's counters at any random moment
Every electric will run Ice tera, every Flying will run ground tera, every dragon will run Steel tera...
There will be Electric tera with levitate, grass tera with flash fire, fire tera with water absorb.
Tera blast will give Pokemon coverage they don't have, Landorus with flying move, Groudon with stab fire..
Insane damage output like Normal boomburst Toxtricity, Normal tera guts facade, STAB extreme speed,
Singles is going to be unplayable.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:10:26 No.51758955 Report

Quoted By: >>51761290

>>51758951
opportunity cost faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:11:11 No.51758960 Report

Quoted By: >>51761270

now wait until you see steelworker Dhelmise
FOUR stabs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:11:57 No.51758971 Report

Quoted By: >>51759034 >>51759208 >>51759222 >>51760230 >>51760615

Would smoggies commit suicide if another battle simulator ever came out? Or would they try and get the competitor taken down?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:18:28 No.51759021 Report

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>>51758951
It doesn't really change much. People are just going to run Fire or Fighting moves to counter Dragons with steel. Or have more ghosts to counter the normal teras.

It's going to just shift things around, not break things the way you think it will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:19:36 No.51759034 Report

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>>51758971
>No mention of Smogon in OP
>sperg brings up Smogon for no reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:20:42 No.51759043 Report

Quoted By: >>51759084

>>51758951
>What in the actual fuck were they thinking?
So CHARIZARD could lose its Stealth Rock weakness while keeping both of its STAB while gaining another one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:25:43 No.51759084 Report

Quoted By: >>51759120 >>51760999

>>51759043
Won't it still always take the Stealth rock damage before it gets to shift though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:29:32 No.51759120 Report

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>>51759084
CHARIZARD anon doesn't actually play the games any longer dude. He just malds her starter is an ignored shitmon compared to chad Charizard,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:30:05 No.51759123 Report

Quoted By: >>51759146

>>51758951
>Electric becomes ice to counter ground
Most pokemon that learn ground moves all so learn fire or fighting. No issues.
>Flying becomes ground
Both are still weak to ice, nothing changes if you have an ice type move.
>Dragon becomes steel
That's actually pretty good unless tera adds weakness of the tera type as well. In which case it'd be weak to ground and fighting.

As for the rest, I'm pretty sure you keep your old weaknesses once you terastalize.
Really all your saying is that you have one more thing to consider when teaching your pokemon moves.
You can't just
>unga bunga me give many type moves to all pokemon ook ook
anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:33:33 No.51759146 Report

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>>51759123
>you keep your old weaknesses
You don't, shill. I can't believe we're having a repeat of the Dynamax defense fiasco.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:36:33 No.51759177 Report

Quoted By: >>51759211

>>51758951
Do you also gain weaknesses and resistancences?

Bastiodon with a Ghost type, could that be useful?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:38:58 No.51759197 Report

Quoted By: >>51760324

>>51758951
>tfw mega evolution was less complicated that this new retarded gimmick
They should have just stuck with Megas at least more Pokémon like Flygon or Electivire would have possibly received one.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:39:56 No.51759208 Report

Quoted By: >>51759222

>>51758971
You think nobody's ever tried? Every simulator that tried to be an alternative over Showdown died. Smogon really is the best possible system for Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:40:26 No.51759211 Report

Quoted By: >>51759255

>>51759177
not in the game
if we're talking Nat Dex though, I guess Bastiodon would maybe want to be Ghost type yeah.
However you can only use Tera once per battle, which means that by using T-Ghost Bastiodon, you're missing out on T-Ice Regieleki
anyway Tera seems to be basically be a defensive mechanic for offensive mons - Bastiodon does not really suit the gimmick because what it wants to do is take 99% from a Ground or Fighting move then use Metal Burst lel

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:41:45 No.51759222 Report

Quoted By: >>51759434

>>51759208
>>51758971
reminder to both of you guys that Showdown != Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:42:03 No.51759225 Report

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Dont care still playing with my main bros (replacing the ones that get dexcut)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:45:00 No.51759255 Report

Quoted By: >>51760511

>>51759211
I'm talking about Bastiodon because I like Bastiodon, you fucking tranny

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:48:46 No.51759288 Report

Quoted By: >>51759314

>>51758951
I'm still not 100% convinced this is true
Mostly because it sounds so insanely broken I'm in disbelief
But also, the only actual source we have for this information so far is from something said by one of the on-site members of Nintendo staff who were guiding the reviewers through the demo, and I'm pretty sure staff in the same role were reported as saying all kinds of things during demos of SwSh and its DLC that turned out to be inaccurate if not completely false.
I can't find the exact article I'm looking for (it's referenced but not linked here, I'm mostly posting the link so you know I'm not completely making this up: https://nichegamer.com/reviews/pokemon-sword-and-shield-expansion-pass-isle-of-armor-review/), but I remember reading the staff told reviewers playing the Isle of Armor that the DLC story would have level scaling. In the end, it's either set around Lv. 60 if you've finished the main game, or around Lv. 15 if not, no matter where you are in the story.
Staff also told a reviewer that there would be a greater range of Pokemon behaviors and interactions in the Isle of Armor overworld than in the base game: this was in reference to the single Emolga in the forest that has to be lured out of its tree by whistling at it. In the final release, this one Emolga is the only wild Pokemon that behaves any differently from the others in the DLC, and it's not even a new mechanic - in base SwSh you can get a Corvisquire early by whistling at it from its perch.
TL;DR the staff in these roles have a track record of not really knowing what they're talking about, not sure I believe this

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:52:13 No.51759314 Report

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>>51759288
>Mostly because it sounds so insanely broken
Meh. It doesn't. Maybe it -is- broken, but it doesn't sound like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 22:54:11 No.51759327 Report

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>>51758951
the game isn't made for strategy its made for little kids on the play ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 23:01:28 No.51759412 Report

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>>51758951
Yeah I'm sure everyone would want to cover for its weakness rather than boost one of its strengthes. Min maxing? What's that? There's only one way to play Pokemon!

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 23:03:59 No.51759434 Report

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>>51759222
cope

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Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 23:27:27 No.51759649 Report

Quoted By: >>51759848 >>51759883 >>51760190

>>51758951
>Pokemon gets STAB on ALL it's moves
>Can change into up to 4 types whenever it wants

Makes Teratalizing a little trite

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Oct 2022 23:56:31 No.51759848 Report

Quoted By: >>51759883

>>51759649
Protean and Libero are getting nerfed, probably because they are just this gen's gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:02:15 No.51759883 Report

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>>51759649
>>51759848
Reminds me of how Soul Dew completely outclassed Latios and Latias's megas in ORAS only to get nerfed to the ground in SM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:44:35 No.51760190 Report

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>>51759649
I don't see why it would need a chnage. You would Teratalize and get x2 on one of your moves but that's about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:49:26 No.51760230 Report

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>>51758971
>Telling everyone that you are both, a newfag AND a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:55:10 No.51760272 Report

Quoted By: >>51760300 >>51760538

Don't forget.
>Teraing with Monotype Pokemon is discouraged since you'd be losing out on the chance of Teraing with a dual-type Pokemon which would net you three STABs
>Defensive Teraing is also discouraged since then you'd also be missing out on having a triple STAB offensive Pokemon
The whole thing encourages hyper offense to the extreme now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 00:58:20 No.51760300 Report

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>>51760272
very based.
hyper offense is the only playstyle that requires any skill and i'm glad to see gamefreak promoting that.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:01:30 No.51760324 Report

Quoted By: >>51760364 >>51760550

>>51759197
Terastal wouldn't have been complicated at all if the OG STAB wasn't kept like how it was done with Conversion, Color Change, Reflect Type, Soak, Protean, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:07:18 No.51760364 Report

Quoted By: >>51760392

>>51760324
Why does GameFreak hate monotypes so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:12:04 No.51760392 Report

Quoted By: >>51760691

>>51760364
Why did they have a monotype boner so massive in SWSH that not only it affected all the starters, but also ruined Rookidee?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:32:07 No.51760511 Report

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>>51759255
Too bad it got Dexcut. Don't really care about Bastiodon tho, I'm a Rampardosfag myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:36:30 No.51760538 Report

Quoted By: >>51760658

>>51760272
Do you even really need a third STAB when just ghost + fairy is enough to hit everything (except Pyroar) at least neutrally?

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:37:45 No.51760550 Report

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>>51760324
This is so ridiculous. Zero trade off

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:37:53 No.51760552 Report

Quoted By: >>51760694 >>51760843

>>51758951
>What in the actual fuck were they thinking?
>We need a heckin new flagship gimmick, no matter how lazy and retarded it is, to promote the new Gen
As if Pokémon needs gimmicks to sell. They keep fucking up the online battling scene every Gen with more busted bullshit that is more busted than the gimmick preceding it. Can’t believe they made something more retarded than Dynamax.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:38:43 No.51760564 Report

Quoted By: >>51760697

Doesn't this mean Khu was wrong too here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:46:43 No.51760615 Report

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>>51758971
Begging for smogon not to ban it already? Terastalizing sounds fucking terrible to play around on EVERY conceivable level of skill or ruleset. If you can just decide what Pokemon gets the tera whenever you feel like it, that alone makes it shit. Only changing your defensive type while giving you a third STAB is going even further beyond. GameFreak did not balance this as a fun competitive mechanic, they balanced it as an advertised gimmick for kids to spam in the campaign while being told they are the greatest trainer ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:47:56 No.51760626 Report

Quoted By: >>51761200

HOLY FUCK BROS SWITCHING DOESN'T REQUIRE AN ITEM SO IT'S BROKEN!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:52:13 No.51760658 Report

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>>51760538
Seems that all monotypes are fucked except Ghost, Fairy, and maybe Fighting(only walled by H-Zoroark with Tera Ghost)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:57:32 No.51760691 Report

Quoted By: >>51760843

>>51760392
>ruined rookidee

???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:57:43 No.51760694 Report

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>>51760552
I get the idea behind Dynamax, they wanted to do megas again but they wanted everyone to get the powered up mode instead of having to design new forms. I don't have a macro fetish though so it does nothing for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 01:58:22 No.51760697 Report

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>>51760564
No he hinted at 3 STABs way back in like March. He reposted a fan interpretation of the mechanic at some point and said that's pretty much it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 02:20:07 No.51760843 Report

Quoted By: >>51760873

>>51760552
>Can’t believe they made something more retarded than Dynamax.
The worst part is that it had the potential to be decent, possibly even good. It'd be no Mega Evolution, but certainly better than Z-Moves and Dynamax.
Modern Game Freak: If it sounds like a good idea, we'll fuck it up!
>>51760691
Judging by its design and patterns with bird Pokémon of past generations, you'd assume Rookidee would be a Normal/Flying type that eventually evolves into the Steel/Flying Corviknight. For some reason, it's pure Flying and Corviknight is Flying/Steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 02:24:45 No.51760873 Report

Quoted By: >>51760959

>>51760843
>It'd be no Mega Evolution
thanks for outing yourself as a retard who doesn't actually play competitive.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 02:28:28 No.51760899 Report

Quoted By: >>51760959

>>51758951
>tera ice Regieleki
>still gets STAB electric and transistor boost
>tera ground/fighting Magnezone

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 02:35:48 No.51760959 Report

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>>51760873
Why would or should I? Games where all you do is wave your e-peen around is gay and boring.
>>51760899
>tera ground/fighting Magnezone
Terastal doesn't do dual tera types yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 02:42:06 No.51760999 Report

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>>51759084
Not if you lead with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 03:18:13 No.51761200 Report

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>>51760626
Switching requires a turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 03:30:38 No.51761270 Report

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>>51758960
I’d rather have Dhelmise terastalize into Steel. I’m pretty sure that since Steel Worker gets a 1.5x boost, and terastalizing would be another 1.5x boost since it’s not actually Steel type, that would make its base Steel boost 2.25x.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Oct 2022 03:34:53 No.51761290 Report

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>>51758955
literally what opportunity cost

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