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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:00:52 No.52068060 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52068107 >>52068113 >>52071013 >>52071402 >>52073830 >>52075350

ALL GEN 9 MOVESET (2 links for 2 halves of the dex, Updated to the 1.0.1. Patch) :
https://pastebin.com/VbP2Md04 (embed)
https://pastebin.com/pghsfRYm (embed)

Move list:
https://pastebin.com/RnANh9it (embed)

Ability list:
https://pastebin.com/B6USap12 (embed)

Egg groups:
https://pastebin.com/ENYtUbNW (embed)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:02:53 No.52068092 Report

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first for screamtail supremecy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:03:27 No.52068107 Report

Quoted By: >>52068168 >>52068417

>>52068060
WHERE ARE THE BASE POWERS OF THE MOVES!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:03:59 No.52068113 Report

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>>52068060
So how's Skeledirge looking for singles? Typing and middling speed either make him bad for doubles or the perfect mid speed TR on or off pokemon.
Has any use for Commander and Tatsugiri been found or is it a gimmick shitmon that will never see use?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:04:01 No.52068114 Report

Quoted By: >>52068137 >>52068143 >>52068385 >>52072123

Is Lando-T fucked?
>all new ice types are great
>Slowking gets snow+teleport in one move
>everything and their mom gets Ice Spinner
>Dolphinman is insane
>lost Knock Off
Will it drop to at least mid-OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:05:42 No.52068137 Report

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>>52068114
>Gets ground scald
nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:06:11 No.52068143 Report

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>>52068114
It's still a base 145 attack Intimidater with only 2 weaknesses.it will still be used

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:07:31 No.52068168 Report

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>>52068107
Dunno but I do know they have gotten some of them. I've learned that some of the Hisui moves got buffed. Triple arrows went from 50 to 90. Still waiting on the chances to flinch and def drop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:07:42 No.52068176 Report

Quoted By: >>52068212 >>52068317 >>52070286 >>52071966 >>52073167

Quick Reminder:
The Chinese Legendaries' ability is NOT an intimidate variation, its an -1 Aura that's always active while they are on field.
You cannot switch and evade their stat reduction.

This means that all the chinese mon are one tier higher than they would have been. The leopard and fish are 101% banned (200~ base atk/spa equivalent) and the defensive ones which were looking mediocre are now OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:07:56 No.52068181 Report

Quoted By: >>52071455

Wait. If paradox Pokemon need the same item to boost their abilities than VGC or any league with an item claus will fuck you from using a sun team full of past paradoxes or an elec terrain team full of future paradoxes. You really are expected to bring Pincurchin to support 1 Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:09:06 No.52068212 Report

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>>52068176
So it's like how Fairy Aura/ Dark Aura just passivley infects the field? Comparable to Neurralizing Gas sounds like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:11:19 No.52068267 Report

Quoted By: >>52068316 >>52068326 >>52068361 >>52068436

Is it just me or does snow seem like it might be the VGC dark horse? It has the most trouble setting weather, but if you're using slowking you get good momentum. Ceititan with slush rush can outspeed anything on sun or rain teams under snow, with the defenses to back it up and tera if the matchup gets bad. Baxcalibur doesn't really care about fire or water types, we have the broken chinese legend, and while losing chip damage is rough in some aspects it means you're not punished for playing non-ice types.
Everyone's talking about rain with kilowattrel and barraskewda, or sun with the paradox mons, but I think snow might end up being the surprise meta pick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:13:09 No.52068316 Report

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>>52068267
It should be viable.
Ninetales is gone but Obama got aurora veil in exchange.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:13:10 No.52068317 Report

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>>52068176
Oh and the aura doesn't affect themselves. Ice cat gets banned on day 1, fire fish maybe later, the other two will be solid OU material (deer has meh movepool and snail has a bad type but it's bulky).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:13:37 No.52068326 Report

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>>52068267
I'll just say that Aurora Veil is stupid good in VGC if you can get it set up. Lapras did it for free last gen but Iron Bundle gets it.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:14:05 No.52068333 Report

Quoted By: >>52068601

Overqwil or Qwilfish on Rain?
Both really benefit from Ferrothorn being gone and to an extent Kartana.
Overqwil doesnt have Water STAB but maybe more setup opportunities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:15:18 No.52068361 Report

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>>52068267
Ice is looking broken in this gen yes. Robobird will be insane with snow+electric terrain support. Blizzard/Hydro Pump/Freezedry/Flip Turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:16:30 No.52068385 Report

Quoted By: >>52068437 >>52068442

>>52068114
all the new ice types are getting banned
>leopard doesn't even get inimidate, it's an aura defense drop by just existing
>delibird only needs water+freeze dry to hit the entire game
>pseudo has dd, ice shard and very good stats overall
>cetitan has belly drum and great bulk in snow, just use slowking's move lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:18:11 No.52068417 Report

Quoted By: >>52068548 >>52072431

>>52068107
https://pastebin.com/L9CAbEwQ, Move BP and such. Lacks any effect for now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:19:05 No.52068436 Report

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>>52068267
I'm kinda wondering about snow in singles too. Even without Aurora Veil, it makes ice types a lot harder to pick off with priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:19:07 No.52068437 Report

Quoted By: >>52068725

>>52068385
Pseudo and Cetitan are not getting banned. The other two most definitely yes.
Also, I think Chilly Reception might warrant a suspect test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:19:15 No.52068442 Report

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>>52068385
The meta get handle the Pseudo and Cetitan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:22:34 No.52068519 Report

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Rabsca is looking like an interesting option for VGC

>75/50/85/115/100/45

It gets two decent abilities in Synchronize and Telepathy. With that 115 SpA stat and 45 Spd, looks like it could be good under trick room.

Besides the revival move, it also gets great coverage options naturally and has a decent support set. Will be interesting to see how it does

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:22:39 No.52068522 Report

Quoted By: >>52068823

So did we definitely find out palafin's evo method and it's not some weird event shit? because jet punch is 60bp priority, nice

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:23:55 No.52068548 Report

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>>52068417
I guess this confirms that Chloroblast is a Mind Blown clone. Not bad at all to ensure late game cleaning with a Specs Electrode

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:24:26 No.52068565 Report

Quoted By: >>52068750 >>52069077

>another thread is discussing lugia and zamazenta dropping to OU
Lugia is not even in the datamine so I can't comment, but what you do guys think about Zamazenta?
He got -10 atk, -5 def, -5 spdef BST nerf but gained Body Press. He still doesn't have any recovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:25:37 No.52068601 Report

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>>52068333
I like qwilfish more for being bulkier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:26:02 No.52068609 Report

Quoted By: >>52068631

>breloom is the only technician user that doesn't get trailblaze
sad. speed bosting with a stab 75 bp grass move sounds funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:27:08 No.52068631 Report

Quoted By: >>52068682

>>52068609
Ouch. It would have been 90 BP and his best grass move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:28:17 No.52068664 Report

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Does anyone have a link of the dex entries pastebin?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:28:54 No.52068680 Report

Quoted By: >>52068706

lugia hell no
zamazenta hell no, especially with body press
giratina on the other hand... may be fine for OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:28:58 No.52068682 Report

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>>52068631
Oh wait, it is 50 power despite being a flamewheel clone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:30:04 No.52068706 Report

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>>52068680
Zamazenta is a shitmon
Lugia lost toxic and has 8 roost PP
Giratina is stronger than both in Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:30:52 No.52068725 Report

Quoted By: >>52068795

>>52068437
>pseudo
>not getting banned
Like hell it is, Kyurem is outright weaker despite having 60 more BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:31:31 No.52068735 Report

Quoted By: >>52068859 >>52068919 >>52069027

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bTueTXC5bj8lXPTYSn_hfzPUbBbBB_dXY9J893i3R2o/edit#gid=302522771 here is a doc with both the moves, its description, and other flags

Dire Claws is still 50% chance to status

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:32:36 No.52068750 Report

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>>52068565
Zamazenta-C is almost a certain drop. Even at full power OU could handle it, although the meta wasn't very fun.
Zamazenta-C is worse than Melmetal now

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:33:01 No.52068756 Report

Quoted By: >>52068805 >>52068931

Hisui variants after checking their stats and move.
S tier will easily be OU
A tier could be viable but not as easy to pull as S tier
B tier They are okay , could still be usable in OU
C tier I highly doubt its gonna get much usage in OU but would be rbrilliant in lowe tiers.
D tier they still okay but nah cant see them anywhere near OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:34:05 No.52068785 Report

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Am I reding correctly that Bellibolt and its pre-evo have the same movepool? Not sure when to evolve mine, if I'll miss anything, or if it just gets its best options from TMs anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:34:49 No.52068789 Report

Quoted By: >>52068825

Any idea how strong last respects and rage fist can get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:35:05 No.52068795 Report

Quoted By: >>52068918

>>52068725
Yeah people are sleeping on this thing. Burn immunity, signature move is a better Outrage, EQ, Ice Shard, great atk and bulk and a good speed tier for DD. It's an overall better Kyurem-B.
It also looks like one of the best Terastal abusers in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:35:22 No.52068805 Report

Quoted By: >>52068870

>>52068756
What can H Zororark do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:36:06 No.52068823 Report

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>>52068522
Level up at 38+ while in co-op.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:36:23 No.52068825 Report

Quoted By: >>52068929

>>52068789
Some anon said Last Respects gets +50 for every fainted mon, its pretty silly in that case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:37:52 No.52068853 Report

Quoted By: >>52068898 >>52068950 >>52069001

What will the direct effects of the Scald changes be? bulky waters have less tools to win 1v1s and stall bad matchups. Will physical attackers be safer or will singles ou shift to different attack lowering techniques?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:38:07 No.52068859 Report

Quoted By: >>52068874

>>52068735
>Scorching Sands in the code even though no one learns in
Seems like the Isle Armor tutor moves are back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:38:39 No.52068870 Report

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>>52068805
The same bullshit as regular Zoroark except with a much better movepool and typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:38:51 No.52068874 Report

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>>52068859
same with grassy glide. not in the game rn but still in the code. still got nerfed so rillaboom gets cucked either way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:40:15 No.52068898 Report

Quoted By: >>52068944 >>52069039

>>52068853
Bulky waters will see less play with the lack of scald and nerfed recovery pp but not completely dead.
Gastrodon just got stealth rock and spikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:41:00 No.52068918 Report

Quoted By: >>52069252

>>52068795
If they decide to keep the gimmick and ban the things that are broken with it, then yes this one is certainly broken. 600 BST DDancer with Ice Dragon STABs and the ability to switch to a different type is ban-worthy.
If they ban Terastal however this one will probably stay OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:41:02 No.52068919 Report

Quoted By: >>52068958 >>52068999 >>52069110

>>52068735
Sneasler is going to be the new weavile but spreading status instead of flinching with icicle.
Weavile's best dark move is only Night Slash now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:41:49 No.52068929 Report

Quoted By: >>52069252

>>52068825
A researcher on Smogon said it so I'm inclined to believe it.
If it's real then Basculegion and Houndstone are effectively the second coming of Dracovish (Strong Jaw and Sand Rush respectively) and Sand is living again as a weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:41:53 No.52068931 Report

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>>52068756
Thinking of running Cb Avalugg in trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:42:32 No.52068944 Report

Quoted By: >>52069039

>>52068898
Quagsire also kept recover/toxic/unaware and gained stealth rocks, spikes, and tspikes. Clodsire has all of those as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:42:46 No.52068950 Report

Quoted By: >>52069001

>>52068853
Bulky waters still going do what they've always done, it's their stats and typing that did most of the work for them just look at gen 4 or older.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:42:58 No.52068956 Report

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Items when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:43:00 No.52068958 Report

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>>52068919
Weavile will probably still be OU after the inevitable chink meow ban. It still has Beat Up shenanigans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:45:10 No.52068999 Report

Quoted By: >>52069049 >>52069491

>>52068919
Sneasler is insane
Sword Dance
Gunk Shot
Close Combat
Acrobatics

UNBURDEN ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:45:12 No.52069001 Report

Quoted By: >>52069026 >>52069055

>>52068950
>>52068853
Back in the good ol' days of no stall, if there was a mon trying to set up in front of your tank you used roar instead of praying for scald burns.
Water types will go back to their old sets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:46:15 No.52069026 Report

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>>52069001
Of no scald*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:46:16 No.52069027 Report

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>>52068735
Did anyone notice Wicked Blow dropped from 80 to 75 power? It is theoretically equal to Surging Strikes' 25 BP per hit, but since WB is not multihit now SS looks like the nesrly objective better move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:46:57 No.52069039 Report

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>>52068944
>>52068898
BAHAHAHA every motherfucker learns trailbaze.
Sneasler will either be Ubers or fuck everyone up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:47:17 No.52069049 Report

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>>52068999
Its nice having unburden on a non-shitmon for the first time.
Even Hawlucha only had 92 atk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:47:32 No.52069055 Report

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>>52069001
Yeah but that was when base 130 attack was considered uber legendary tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:48:14 No.52069077 Report

Quoted By: >>52072711

>>52068565
I'm skeptical of any mons with high BST or good spreads because of terastal. Lunala, Calyrex-S, Calyrex-I and Necrozma-DW, for example, are amazing terastal targets as they don't lose anything on offense but can fix their defensive shortcumings.
Reshiram can fix most of its weaknesses with terastal.
But Zamazenta-C is literal dogshit now, fully invensted Body Press = uninvested Close Combat. Forced item slot, weak boosting and a nerfed ability, it can't do anything.
Lugia doesn't gain anything from terastal, can't really stall much anymore and has weak immediate attacks.
OU will be chaos for months as GF pushes updates and tweaks, but as is I could see those mons as weak enough to drop. But they don't have any niches in OU and likely go to UUBL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:48:49 No.52069090 Report

Quoted By: >>52069232 >>52069294

vgc Bros are the perils any good un doubles? Any idea for a team for chien pao?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:50:03 No.52069110 Report

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>>52068919
>about to say at least he has throat chop
>look it up
>throat chop tm got removed
>darkest lariat tm also got removed (weavile never learned that though)
jesus christ he actually has to use night slash. At least give it crunch, he already learns bite as an egg move ffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:56:48 No.52069232 Report

Quoted By: >>52069290

>>52069090
Chein-pao seems busted, I don't think you even have to build a team around him. I feel like you can just slap him on a team that wants a cleanup sweeper like you could with Darmanitan-G.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:57:30 No.52069252 Report

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>>52068929
I want to add that if Melmetal comes back, it's not only a good Steel terastal target but a strong Rock one as well, since Rock Melmetal gets the +1 SpD in sand and roughly gives it 135/143/120 defenses. It's most notable in the Heatran matchup, going from a Fire weakness to taking 20% from Lava Plume or Magma Storm and OHKO in response.
>>52068918
>If they ban Terastal however this one will probably stay OU.
Even if terastal is banned I'm skeptical, it's both stronger, faster, and bulkier than Dragonite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:58:45 No.52069290 Report

Quoted By: >>52069342

>>52069232
Isnt perils ability affect your team aswell?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:58:52 No.52069294 Report

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>>52069090
Chein-pao is insane, and the fish is pretty good too. Wo-Chien isn't amazing, but it could have a place with it's decent bulk and ability making its 95 spA more usable. Ting-Lu seems relegated to trick room teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:00:00 No.52069313 Report

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Will the pepper man and liligant actually see play or will sun just be torkoal + paradox mons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:01:11 No.52069342 Report

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>>52069290
Yeah, but who cares if he's the last one you send out and he can outspeed and OHKO anything on the field? It's easier for you to play around than your opponent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:01:33 No.52069350 Report

Quoted By: >>52071507

>population bomb is a 20 power move that can hit up to 10 times
>the pokemon that gets it has technician and also gets a move that combines defog and dragon dance
>there's also a new item that works like skill link
FEAR THE MICE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:06:08 No.52069453 Report

Quoted By: >>52069495 >>52069547

rayquaza gets stealth rocks and u-turn now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:07:38 No.52069491 Report

Quoted By: >>52069540 >>52069581

>>52068999
Choice Band Poison Touch is significantly more threatening than Unburden. Dire Claw has a 46% chance to inflict poison, plus 16% chance to inflict paralysis and 16% chance to inflict fucking SLEEP, it has STAB Close Combat so you can't sponge that with Steel types, it has U-turn so it poison haxes your bulky ground types for free, Switcheroo cripples potential checks that can't be poisoned like Toxapex (lol), Clodsire and Corviknight. Its only flaw aside from faster Pokémon existing is that it cannot really touch Gholdengo beyond U-turning out.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:07:46 No.52069495 Report

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>>52069453
fug

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:09:33 No.52069540 Report

Quoted By: >>52069741

>>52069491
>16% chance to inflict fucking SLEEP,
It was drowsy in PLA. Maybe in SV too? I mean Yawn instead of sleep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:09:48 No.52069547 Report

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>>52069453
fun, but seems like a waste to use on Rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:11:09 No.52069581 Report

Quoted By: >>52069741

>>52069491
Its like comparing CB Weavile to SD Weavile (but better since scarfers can't revenge it)
Both are good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:17:45 No.52069719 Report

Quoted By: >>52069795

Will my boy wigglet be usable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:18:40 No.52069741 Report

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>>52069581
Yep but CB Sneasler is significantly better in a vacuum than even SWSH CB Weavile imo since it has U-turn, resists Rocks and absorbs Toxic Spikes and just haxes so much. Don't underestimate how fucking awful getting regular poisoned is in a game with only 8 PP recoveries (or how it already was for mons with no recovery like Lando).

SD requires Terrain support to achieve its full potential and has less hax so it's significantly less splashable, but still good. Might be better once you're no longer forced to use Rillaboom to have a Pokémon that does *something* beyond setting terrain.

>>52069540
Check the Google Docs above, it's sleep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:20:32 No.52069795 Report

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>>52069719
In LC yes

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:29:34 No.52070013 Report

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anyone got footage of revival blessing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:34:48 No.52070126 Report

Quoted By: >>52070182 >>52070247 >>52070267 >>52070490

Huh, just noticed something.
None of the OU mons learn defog anymore, literally none with the exception of Kleavor/Scizor.
We are going back to a rapid spin meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:37:57 No.52070182 Report

Quoted By: >>52070206 >>52070229 >>52070575

>>52070126
Glimmora gets a busted new rapid spin clone with 30 BP that guarantees poison and also has great Special attack and decent speed. I can definitely see it being a big OU threat this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:39:10 No.52070206 Report

Quoted By: >>52070674

>>52070182
Yea she sounds better and better. Toxic spikes ability+SR+Spikes+Spin.

Also spinblocking will be back, haven't done that shit in 8 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:40:13 No.52070229 Report

Quoted By: >>52070296

>>52070182
Can't spin against steel types though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:40:56 No.52070247 Report

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>>52070126
I don't think Scizor is gonna run defog anymore considering it lost Roost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:41:54 No.52070267 Report

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>>52070126
Corv still gets it as an egg move, the question is if Gholdengo's ability blocks defog cause that'd make him the GOAT spinblocker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:42:44 No.52070286 Report

Quoted By: >>52070293 >>52073510

>>52068176
Don’t they all have 680 BST? I thought that meant starting in Ubers instead of OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:43:12 No.52070293 Report

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>>52070286
570

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:43:27 No.52070296 Report

Quoted By: >>52070325

>>52070229
but it can spin on everything else which is nice at least.

Do we know if Glimmora gets earth power to cover for steels? I know it gets Sludge Wave/Power gem as attacking options for STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:44:46 No.52070325 Report

Quoted By: >>52070535

>>52070296
it does get earth power

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:46:58 No.52070386 Report

Quoted By: >>52070431

>160 base attack
>100 base speed (in base form)
>reasonable 100/97/87 bulk
>flip turn, wave crash, iron head, zen headbutt, close combat, ice punch, drain punch, bulk up
I feel like this guy with a Scarf is going to be an absolute demon.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:48:51 No.52070427 Report

Quoted By: >>52070465 >>52070472

Is Slither Wing shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:48:54 No.52070431 Report

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>>52070386
Band 2hKOs everything but Slowbro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:50:09 No.52070465 Report

Quoted By: >>52070505 >>52070563

>>52070427
First Impression makes it better than the almost unusable future form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:50:27 No.52070472 Report

Quoted By: >>52070545

>>52070427
Nope. Only Jiggly is looking to be shit (in singles)
Slither gets First Impression for a band set and Will-o-Wisp for a defensive Buzzwole set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:51:12 No.52070490 Report

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>>52070126
The fact that landorous lost defog is huge

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:51:42 No.52070505 Report

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>>52070465
What's so bad about the future form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:52:43 No.52070535 Report

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>>52070325
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:53:01 No.52070545 Report

Quoted By:

>>52070472
>First Impression Band
Uh LO or something similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:54:00 No.52070563 Report

Quoted By: >>52070972

>>52070465
140 spa and 110 speed unusable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:54:33 No.52070575 Report

Quoted By:

>>52070182
glimmora is going to be wonderful, that ability is just killer.
anyone know if the ability comes before or after rapid spin's hazard removal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:58:26 No.52070665 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone tested out how much Supreme Overlord boosts per fainted mon?
My guess is 20%

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:58:38 No.52070674 Report

Quoted By:

>>52070206
Take me home, Paldean Roads
To the meta, I belong
Spin Blocking, No Scalding
Take me home, Paldean Roads

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:00:00 No.52070711 Report

Quoted By:

I got a few questions about rage fist. How much does its power go up per hit? Do you need to use it once before the power starts going up? If you switch out does the power reset?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:01:07 No.52070732 Report

Quoted By: >>52070903

Can anyone link me to the smogon thread this is being discussed/updated in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:09:48 No.52070903 Report

Quoted By: >>52070935

>>52070732
There's multiple threads.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-leaks-thread-data-mechanics.3709515/unread
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/all-buffs-and-nerfs-in-pokemon-scarlet-violet.3710585/unread
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-battle-mechanics-research.3709545/unread
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/datamine-thread-pokemon-information-some-datamines.3710011/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spoilers-scarlet-violet-ou-discussion.3710554/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:11:00 No.52070935 Report

Quoted By:

>>52070903
thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:12:21 No.52070972 Report

Quoted By: >>52071035

>>52070563
The stats are very high but I don’t see a version of Volcarona without Quiver Dance being any good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:13:50 No.52071013 Report

Quoted By:

>>52068060
They gave Cinderace Trailblaze? Libero may be nerfed, but that's interesting they gave him a grass move, it might help a little bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:14:44 No.52071035 Report

Quoted By:

>>52070972
Maybe it can work with choice scarf/specs if it has U-Uturn.
It's immune to both burn and toxic, absorbs TS which will be everywhere and it's "only" 2x weak to SR instead of 4x. Poison is also arguably a better offensive type than Bug.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:18:28 No.52071141 Report

Quoted By: >>52071275 >>52071320 >>52071994

Do we have sharpness multiplier?

Btw the "slicing" moves boosted by that ability are:

Cut
Razor Leaf
Slash
Fury Cutter
Air Cutter
Aerial Ace
Leaf Blade
Night Slash
Air Slash
X-Scissor
Psycho Cut
Cross Poison
Sacred Sword
Razor Shell
Solar Blade
Behemoth Blade
Stone Axe
Ceaseless Edge
Population Bomb
Kowtow Cleave
Bitter Blade
Aqua Cutter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:24:08 No.52071275 Report

Quoted By: >>52071300

>>52071141
Why does population bomb get boosted?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:24:34 No.52071284 Report

Quoted By: >>52071331 >>52071345 >>52071521

>Last Respects Basculegion hits almost as hard as Dracovish with only two fainted teammates
>hits harder with three fainted teammates (even if female)
>Unlike Dracovish, its other moves are not filler and are in fact quite strong and useful on their own
>All the relevant ghost resists and immunities are either physically frail or weak to Water
>Houndstone also hits harder than Sand Rush Dracovish with 3 teammates dead and only slightly less with two, has Trick to cripple any check, nearly impossible to revenge kill in Sand
>actually, you can do the same thing with Basculegion in Rain since they both have Swift Swim

It's so fucking over for them, the only question is if they are going to ban Last Respects instead since this move is so retarded it could even turn Banette in a uber level threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:25:20 No.52071300 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071275
The rat babies have sharp teeth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:26:09 No.52071320 Report

Quoted By: >>52071994 >>52072068

>>52071141
>Do we have sharpness multiplier?
1.2× like iron fist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:26:30 No.52071331 Report

Quoted By: >>52072004

>>52071284
Only two pokemon get it and the other is more balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:26:49 No.52071337 Report

Quoted By: >>52071355

There's a new item called the Clear Amulet that acts as Clear Body in item form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:27:10 No.52071345 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071284
They should ban the whole game bro. Shit is a mess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:27:50 No.52071355 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071337
Cool.
I want some good consumable items because acro is now a TM

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:29:55 No.52071402 Report

Quoted By: >>52071422 >>52071432

>>52068060
>Maushold has Technician as Hidden Ability
>20*1.5 power on population bomb, average 5.5 hits for average 165 base power
Will this be viable for anything other than memes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:30:35 No.52071420 Report

Quoted By: >>52071466 >>52071785

I didn’t play when SS was released, so I don’t know how this works exactly
Do they remove all the moves that Pokémon can no longer learn? Or do they make a new space for SV meta only?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:30:39 No.52071422 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071402
He is VGC ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:30:58 No.52071432 Report

Quoted By: >>52071577

>>52071402
This thing also gets tidy up btw. With 111 speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:31:19 No.52071448 Report

Quoted By: >>52071497 >>52072033

They should've let Hail/Snow keep its chip damage. Now it's just a worse sandstorm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:31:48 No.52071455 Report

Quoted By: >>52071477

>>52068181
Pawmot learns it, so you replace whatever Punch you don't have Teratyped with it (Revival Blessing is almost certainly banned)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:32:15 No.52071466 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071420
For this generation, it seems that when pokemon are brought over from previous generations, they forget the moves they used to know, and instead have moves from their regular level-up list, as if they were caught in the wild in SV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:32:28 No.52071477 Report

Quoted By: >>52071490 >>52071576 >>52071577

>>52071455
Revival Blessing is only 1pp right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:33:16 No.52071490 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071477
yes, and you can't pp up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:33:37 No.52071497 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071448
Omg will you snowflaketrannies ever stfu.
>hail too weak
>gets boost
>NOOO WHERE MUH CHIP
Stfu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:34:01 No.52071507 Report

Quoted By: >>52071533 >>52071675

>>52069350
>300 base power stab move
>on a pokemon with 111 base speed and dragon dance
Amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:34:24 No.52071516 Report

Quoted By: >>52071525

im gonna use the vroomvroom car bros

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:34:50 No.52071521 Report

Quoted By: >>52071558 >>52071601 >>52072004

>>52071284
Don’t worry guys I know who to call

But seriously I’m on some serious copium for him to be viable I love him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:34:58 No.52071525 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071516
it gets shift gear and good attack/speed so it should be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:35:13 No.52071533 Report

Quoted By: >>52071800

>>52071507
Stallshitters are already pissing themselves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:36:16 No.52071558 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071521
after we found out that his intimidate is a permanent aura he should be ou viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:36:30 No.52071563 Report

Quoted By: >>52071592 >>52071730

The powercreep in this gene reminds me of the current state of yugioh.
GF wants battles to conclude within the first 10 turns

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:37:03 No.52071576 Report

Quoted By: >>52071674

>>52071477
Yes, but combined with a Healing Wish Pokemon (ie: Blissey) you get 3 free revives, though one has to bevthe Healing Wish mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:37:09 No.52071577 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071432
Maybe I'm just being retarded, but would a lower speed user of Tidy Up be better for clearing spikes the turn they're set up?
>>52071477
You know someone's going to run Leppa Berry with it. Thank God nothing learns both that and Recycle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:37:33 No.52071592 Report

Quoted By: >>52071810

>>52071563
Did VGC matches get too long or something recently? Did some stall pop up there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:37:52 No.52071601 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071521
If their abilities work as an aura then the ice and fire go straight to Ubers and this one and the ground become ou staples

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:39:24 No.52071643 Report

Quoted By:

I was contemplating running a Drifblim for VGC.
>Tera Ghost, Flare Boost, Flame Orb Shadow Balls
>Tera Flying Unburdened Acrobatics
Can't think of an item for the 2nd set that can instantly proct. Pincurchin partner could proct an Electric Seed, and that could open me up to having a future paradox on my team, but are there any other EZ proct items for the moment I hi t the field?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:40:58 No.52071674 Report

Quoted By: >>52071720 >>52071721

>>52071576
What about Leppa Berry shenanigans? Potentially endless batlle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:41:08 No.52071675 Report

Quoted By: >>52071744

>>52071507
Do we even know I'd Tidy Up only works if there's hazards on the field? Because if does, that DD boost is useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:42:43 No.52071720 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071674
If a good chunk of your team is equipped with Fling, it's possible to keep it up, yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:42:46 No.52071721 Report

Quoted By: >>52071747

>>52071674
Does anything not named Smeargle get access to Revival Blessing and Recycle though? How do you intend on keeping it up indefinitely?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:43:23 No.52071730 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071563
I mean in official formats it doesn't really make too much of a difference(outside of some really fucking annoying BSS strats) but in VGC none of this will make an impact

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:44:12 No.52071744 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071675
>useless
>when hazards are already on every singles team and a ton of pokemon just gained access to rocks and/or spikes and defog got purged

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:44:24 No.52071747 Report

Quoted By: >>52071859

>>52071721
Does Rabsca get recycle? I know that Pawmot doesn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:46:59 No.52071785 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071420
Last gen you had to manually go to a person and scrub transfer moves off in order to get a "battle ready mark", which allowed it to participate in online and live tournament play just like a pokemon caught in current gen can.
This way their streamlining it at the expense of your transfer moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:47:49 No.52071800 Report

Quoted By: >>52071828 >>52071875

>>52071533
Maushold
Adamant, 252 attack, 252 speed
Tidy Up, Population Bomb, Bullet Seed (or Beat Up I guess), Baton Pass
>bring mice in
>setup + attack and speed and clear all hazards in a single turn
>use population bomb to delete anything from existence or coverage moves if needed
>baton pass out and give your boosts to something else

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:48:33 No.52071810 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071592
VGC matches have no issues finishing in 10 minutes, but fans of 6v6 singles were pissed about the timer for single battles last gen. Guess this was GF's reply

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:49:27 No.52071828 Report

Quoted By: >>52071848

>>52071800
How good is this on Smogon's fanfic meta with banned Baton Pass? Are these things seriously OU material? Kek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:50:39 No.52071848 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071828
I mean we need to see how the meta shapes up but they have a shocking amount of potential for what otherwise seemed like an early route normal shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:51:18 No.52071859 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071747
Just checked, the answer is no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:51:58 No.52071875 Report

Quoted By: >>52071911 >>52072164

>>52071800
They pulled a Tinkaton and gave it 75 base attack to counter how strong its signature move can be. Let's be real, you're not hitting anything with your coverage moves here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:53:47 No.52071911 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071875
Factor in tidy up

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:55:06 No.52071940 Report

Quoted By: >>52071987 >>52072078 >>52073002

Anyone have the most optimal natures for each new mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:56:26 No.52071966 Report

Quoted By: >>52072129

>>52068176
Is this the same with the Paradox Pokemon Buffs under Sun/Terrain? I thought I saw on stream when Sun dropped that the Paradox's Buff also dropped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:57:22 No.52071987 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071940
No such thing anon, you try to pick the best one depending on your team and set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:57:51 No.52071994 Report

Quoted By: >>52072029

>>52071141
>>52071320
That's dissapointing, psycho cut is 84 BP (pretty bad) and sacred sword is 102 BP (way worse than close combat). Rip my hopes of Gallade making it to UU.
But seriously 1.2 modifier isn't enough considering the low BP of most of the slicing moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:58:14 No.52072004 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071331
Houndstone is not balanced at all. The only difference is that it's a single-move bot like Dracovish (but better because it has Trick) while Basculegion is threatening when clicking other moves. Hell, it even works outside of sand since it's fairly tanky with Fluffy.
>>52071521
I don't know how strong the aura is, thankfully Basculegion has nothing better than Ice Fang to hit it, but Houndstone can still hit it with Play Rough, Trick it or burn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:59:17 No.52072029 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071994
Samurott has some knew move that layds down spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:59:23 No.52072033 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071448
>Now it's just a worse sandstorm.
>now
It was always a worse sandstorm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:00:10 No.52072046 Report

Quoted By: >>52072092

This might be a meme but isn't there an item that copies stat boosts from the opponent? Does it work with Scovillian's signature move? Could be useful to blow up some bulky mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:00:40 No.52072063 Report

Quoted By: >>52072190

Sandbros how we looking this gen? Will Houndstone be our new cleanup hitter? Its the only Last Respects user till home and gets sand rush

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:00:48 No.52072068 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071320
Do you have a source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:01:07 No.52072078 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071940
I don't understand your question. Is this something that can be answered void of meta? If so, it'd be whatever stat has the highest total to be multiplied by x1.1. Perhaps I don't get it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:01:15 No.52072081 Report

Quoted By:

do we know how much HP fillet away uses

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:01:42 No.52072092 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072046
I mean Scovillain gets growth and Chlorophyll, so that's probably way better than that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:03:02 No.52072123 Report

Quoted By:

>>52068114
They will ban all the ice mons to ensure he remains strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:03:19 No.52072129 Report

Quoted By: >>52072170 >>52072328

>>52071966
Paradox mons get +1
Ruin mons inflict -1 to everyone including allies (excluding themselves)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:05:11 No.52072164 Report

Quoted By: >>52072189 >>52073435

>>52071875
It has 111 base speed and has a DD equivalent move so you can pretty safely run adamant. Gives it 275 attack and 321 speed unboosted at 100. After a boost you have 410 attack and 491 speed, have just used defog, and have a base 300 power stab move that breaks subs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:05:26 No.52072170 Report

Quoted By: >>52072224 >>52072273

>>52072129
And I'm assuming since this isn't a particularly procted like Intimidate is you can't Contrary it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:06:32 No.52072189 Report

Quoted By: >>52072196

>>52072164
Is population bomb a contact move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:06:40 No.52072190 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072063
It's Dracovish tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:07:17 No.52072196 Report

Quoted By: >>52072226

>>52072189
it is, but there aren't any iron barbs users so you just gotta watch out for rocky helmet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:08:02 No.52072213 Report

Quoted By: >>52072300

so are we thinking swift swim or adaptability for basculegion? also, how does basculin compare? weaker but faster, still gets wave crash, but doesnt get swift swim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:08:18 No.52072224 Report

Quoted By: >>52072273

>>52072170
not sure on that yet, but we do know its a passive aura

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:08:22 No.52072226 Report

Quoted By: >>52072301

>>52072196
rough skin chomp is in though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:08:34 No.52072232 Report

Quoted By: >>52072285

Move description + info combined for your convenience
https://pastebin.com/nsgSHrFR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:10:19 No.52072273 Report

Quoted By: >>52072338

>>52072224
>>52072170
There's no stat drop animation so there's nothing to contrary, its an aura.
Only mold breaker will ignore it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:10:48 No.52072285 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072232
Whoops, forgot PP and priority
https://pastebin.com/uLnrckfA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:11:01 No.52072293 Report

Quoted By: >>52072534

I know this is not new but Slowking-G's signature move can put the final nail in the coffin of stall if you feel particularly sadist:

Eerie Spell:
The user attacks with its tremendous psychic power.
This also drains 3 PP from the move last used by the
target.
Type: Psychic
Category: Special
Power: 80
Accuracy: 100

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:11:21 No.52072300 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072213
Follow up question to you, what occurs when you have Adaptability and tera into one of the user's natural types? Does it stack additionally to x2.5? Multiplicativly to 2.67? Or no effect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:11:21 No.52072301 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072226
Will definitely be easier to play against in smogon where baton pass will get banned. In battle spot it can just safely pass its boosts and your next mon comes in with all hazards cleared

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:11:27 No.52072305 Report

Quoted By: >>52072330 >>52072362 >>52072377

>people keep jerking tidy up
>Inb4 oponent doesn't use hazards
>tidy up doesn't work
>miss the DD buff
Epico

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:12:38 No.52072328 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072129
That's very interesting. Gives off a more "Oppressive Aura" vibe than something like Unnerve or Pressure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:12:47 No.52072330 Report

Quoted By: >>52072367

>>52072305
If it works that way its shit, people are just predicting that its DD that also defogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:13:08 No.52072338 Report

Quoted By: >>52073124

>>52072273
>Only mold breaker will ignore it.
Is that true? I thought Mold Breaker stops abilities that prevent or negate attacks like Levitate or Soundproof, not mitigated damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:14:08 No.52072362 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072305
we don't know atm, but hazard are common enough that it shouldn't be that much of an issue. The main reason to hype Maushold is Population bomb anyway. BTW do we have an animation on that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:14:22 No.52072367 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072330
Pretty much. On paper it sounds stupid powerful and a free DD even if there's no hazards. But they don't think if it's the other way around. Which probably is because of how useful it sounds. This could be quickly tested but these retards haven't done it yet

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:14:44 No.52072377 Report

Quoted By: >>52072435 >>52072470 >>52072703

>>52072305
Is it confirmed you have to clear something to get the boost?
Move description doesn’t seem to imply that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:16:45 No.52072431 Report

Quoted By: >>52073321

>>52068417
better add this to OP next thread then. still lacks effect chance though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:16:53 No.52072434 Report

Quoted By:

If you see the rats you simply dont put any hazards in before you got rid of them. Alao people forget court change will be a thing with Libero nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:16:53 No.52072435 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072377
Is it confirmed that it doesn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:17:22 No.52072445 Report

Quoted By: >>52072511

Everything is going to run hazards. Everything gets spikes, new attacking moves sets hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:18:11 No.52072470 Report

Quoted By: >>52072516

>>52072377
Move wont work if no hazards on the field

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:18:25 No.52072481 Report

Quoted By: >>52072536

All the new Pokemon feel like they’re messing up the meta by themselves, and it’s not even getting into any of the new items or especially the main gimmick of Terastalization. Any mon can choose to Terastalize, right? You might have a preference for which, but 6 options and the mindgames of changing your type or not, feel like they’ll be brutal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:19:12 No.52072511 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072445
FUCK STALL THE META
I love it bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:19:22 No.52072515 Report

Quoted By:

asked the maushold evolution thread to test tidy up: >>52072442

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:19:27 No.52072516 Report

Quoted By: >>52072560

>>52072470
Someone in the evolution method thread just confirmed it does boost without hazards
>>>52072442

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:20:05 No.52072534 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072293
Galarian Slowking has better things to do, like looking in the future to see that no one will like his jokes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:20:13 No.52072536 Report

Quoted By: >>52072566

>>52072481
The OU council bitches gonna ban
Tera use
Most of the broken mons
And that will be it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:21:14 No.52072560 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072516
The rats will be send to ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:21:26 No.52072566 Report

Quoted By: >>52072644 >>52072809

>>52072536
I mean at a certain point there is enough broken shit in the tier to justify a new power level of the tier if Smogon weren't retarded and then let everything filter down and make ZU official

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:22:27 No.52072594 Report

Quoted By: >>52072687 >>52072704 >>52072731 >>52072759 >>52072819 >>52072860

So anons, what do you think the Top 5 new non-paradox or Perils mons are, both in doubles and singles or whatever format you prefer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:24:24 No.52072644 Report

Quoted By: >>52072733

>>52072566
Every tier has their own councils.
ZU is disregarded because the members there are non functional autists.
As for OU they preach all variety style but honestly just like balanced teams.
Hyper offense in gen 8 is a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:26:03 No.52072687 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072594
Paradox dorphan, salamence and volcarona are real menaces. The rest i havdnt checked yet.
Paradox salamence will be banned 100% though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:26:24 No.52072703 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072377
Doesn't get rid of electroweb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:26:26 No.52072704 Report

Quoted By: >>52073032

>>52072594
Kingambit, Gholdengo, Glimmora, Palafin, Pseudo.
A few more are pretty equal to these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:26:41 No.52072711 Report

Quoted By: >>52072791 >>52072824

>>52069077
How realistic is it to get certain terastal types on Pokemon like these though? Are they assigned randomly or are they only gonna be obtained via Raid Events?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:27:24 No.52072731 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072594
baxcalibur
ghouldengo
sprigatito3
glimmora
clodsire

almost everything else looks unusably shit, it’s basically alola 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:27:28 No.52072733 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072644
HO in gen8 is? Is it bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:28:25 No.52072759 Report

Quoted By: >>52073032

>>52072594
Clodsire, Gholdengo, Kingambit, Palafin and the pseudo are day 1 OU mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:29:49 No.52072791 Report

Quoted By: >>52072823 >>52072824

>>52072711
I heard someone saying there was a way to change a Pokémon’s Tera type, but I took it at face value and didn’t look into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:30:16 No.52072798 Report

Quoted By: >>52072862

>OUtards kneeling to the superior VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:30:41 No.52072809 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072566
>Smogonfags
>not retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:30:55 No.52072818 Report

Quoted By: >>52072862 >>52072972 >>52073220

Half the Paradox? Banned
Ice Pseudo? Banned
New quartet? Banned
Basculegion? Banned
Mouses? Banned
Revival Blessing? Banned
Sun? Banned
Rain? Banned
Terastalize? Banned

I'm only half joking, we are actually gonna see like 10 bans by the end of the year
It's time to move to VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:30:57 No.52072819 Report

Quoted By: >>52072860

>>52072594
Chien-Pao, Roaring Moon, Iron Valiant, Flutter Mane, Iron Bundle, easy OU if not Uber

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:31:15 No.52072823 Report

Quoted By: >>52072846

>>52072791
You can find tera shards for each type in the overworld and as raid rewards. If you have 50 of one shard you can change a pokemon’s teratype to that type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:31:16 No.52072824 Report

Quoted By: >>52072846

>>52072711
>>52072791
You have to get 50 tera shards of that type. So you you get 50 water tera shards to change a mon’s tera type to water. The shards can be found in area zero.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:32:13 No.52072846 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072823
>>52072824
Okay great, thanks for that confirmation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:32:30 No.52072854 Report

Quoted By: >>52073001

Snail Ruinmon in action for the snailbros
https://www.veed.io/view/1ebc8584-7ef4-4c45-bcd1-75e9811631a1?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:32:44 No.52072860 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072594
>>52072819
oh wait you said non-paradox and perils never mind

uh well in that case Ursaluna, Sneasler, Hisuian Lilligant, Palafin, Meowscarada

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:32:45 No.52072862 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072798
>>52072818

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:33:20 No.52072876 Report

Quoted By:

BTW if anyone wants a dragon tera type mon, if you do some of the side content involving the school one of the classes gives out 50 dragon tera shards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:34:14 No.52072904 Report

Quoted By: >>52072938

Finished Pokemon Scarlet. Unironically a really good game I'm thrown off by that fact. I haven't enjoyed a good story since Black and White nor did the rivals or character irk or irritate me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:35:58 No.52072938 Report

Quoted By: >>52072955

>>52072904
same, despite /vp/'s incessant hatred, the story was pretty fun. Arven was a great character, Nemona was a fun and kinda Goku-esque, Penny was cute and I liked the bond between Team Star and the finale was kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:36:59 No.52072955 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072938
oh and shout out to Clavell and Larry, the most based characters in SV. Did not expect Clavell to be so good, I thought he'd be a shitty twist villain

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:37:31 No.52072972 Report

Quoted By: >>52073299

>>52072818
Why would based Smogchads ban Basculegion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:37:53 No.52072986 Report

Quoted By: >>52073009 >>52073074

BROS WILL AMPHAROS BE GOOD IN THIS GEN

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:38:27 No.52073001 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072854
>gay duck looking EVEN MORE LIKE A FAGGOT when it's sent out of the pokeball
Unbelievable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:38:29 No.52073002 Report

Quoted By:

>>52071940
adamant, jolly, modest or timid
there isn't a defensive mon worth using in this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:38:36 No.52073009 Report

Quoted By:

>>52072986
Once his mega is back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:39:22 No.52073032 Report

Quoted By: >>52073078 >>52073201

>>52072704
>>52072759
For some reason I thought Kingambit didn't get sucker punch but these posts showed me the light

Along with the obvious ones already mentioned I think Quaquaval, Cyclizar, Pawmot, Grafaiai, Tinkaton, and the Megman fire guys could be usable if not OU. I want to believe in Maushold but the stats and movepool are lacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:41:02 No.52073074 Report

Quoted By: >>52073180

>>52072986
it got Dazzling Gleam

STILL DOESN'T GET TAIL GLOW, and no new ability either

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:41:10 No.52073078 Report

Quoted By: >>52073146

>>52073032
I mean the Maus will never want to click anything but Tidy up and Population Bomb anyway

I also do think that Garganacl is low key OU usable. It has a solid movepool with recovery, a great ability, and great defensive stats with solid offense too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:42:11 No.52073112 Report

Quoted By:

is Drednaw now the 2nd best Shell Smasher after Cloyster?
if not the best even?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:42:32 No.52073124 Report

Quoted By: >>52073174

>>52072338
Mold breaker works vs unaware so yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:43:19 No.52073146 Report

Quoted By: >>52073435

>>52073078
I guess it could crunch or low kick but I feel like there will be tons of ghosts and steels to stop it.

Garg could be legit but it's still a slow rock type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:44:08 No.52073167 Report

Quoted By: >>52073197 >>52073316

>>52068176
>NOOOOO, LET'S NERF ZACIAN'S ABILITY, IT'S WAY TOO BROKEN
>proceeds to create 4 much more broken abilities
BRAVO, GAME FREAK

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:44:23 No.52073174 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073124
Ah, didn't know that, thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:44:37 No.52073180 Report

Quoted By: >>52073184

>>52073074
nice, dazzling gleam by level up is sick

seems like tail glow is cut?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:44:53 No.52073183 Report

Quoted By: >>52073321

if anyone wants the full move data (and not just small parts of it) see here: https://pastebin.com/L7aY5BAG
it's in CSV format, and the field names mostly follow pkNX. anything prefixed by Field is new to SV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:44:56 No.52073184 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073180
yep, cut again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:45:34 No.52073197 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073167
They do this every fucking Gen. Why are you surprised?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:45:45 No.52073201 Report

Quoted By: >>52073243

>>52073032
Quaquaval is very underrated in my opinion. Its shortcomings moreso come from Pex returning more than anything, along with perhaps Amoonguss becoming the premier Grass Tank in a meta that lost Tangrowth & Ferrothorn.
Anyone who's played against Honchkrow can attest to how deceptively easy it is to get it going and how even at +1, it's hard to stop, and while Quaquaval doesnt have its devastating Sucker Punch, it plays a different but equally dangerous game with its signature move. Give it one opportunity from a slower mon or something that doesn't want to eat it, and you have the choice between giving it +1 Speed or dying. It can go really quick.
The big problem really is just the meta it'll get thrown into. Toxapex is the one thing that sits on it. It has Brave Bird for Grass like Amoonguss. It might workable and niche. It's like SD Scale Shot Chomp in a way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:46:29 No.52073220 Report

Quoted By: >>52073254 >>52073270

>>52072818
I really hope Smogon doesn't have a huge stick up their ass and just tries to embrace the hyper-offense meta before blanket banning anything they don't like

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:47:41 No.52073243 Report

Quoted By: >>52073320

>>52073201
To be fair, isn't Toxapex ultra nerfed? It'll probably have to worry more about stuff like Slowbro or Slowking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:48:08 No.52073254 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073220
Smogon Council has already decided they would forsake Gamefreak and make their own game with their own rules the way they see fit. It's too late to hope they try something new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:48:59 No.52073268 Report

Quoted By: >>52073295 >>52073300 >>52074387

Rock bros eating kinda good tonight this gen
>H-Arcanine buffed properly (Head Smash, Rock Head)
>Drednaw also buffed properly (Shell Smash)
>a new Rock mon with usuably bulk, offense and even reliable recovery
>Klawf having Regenerator
>Power Gem distribution being the best it has even been

2 things tho:
>Sand is kinda shit without the best allies Excadrill, Dracozolt and Dracovish
>still no solid physical Rock STAB that's 100% accurate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:49:08 No.52073270 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073220
lmao smoggies are already talking about how they hate the meta(they haven't played it)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:50:05 No.52073295 Report

Quoted By: >>52073355

>>52073268
i forgot to mentionb this
>finally, another special attacking Rock mon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:50:08 No.52073299 Report

Quoted By: >>52073662 >>52074473

>>52072972

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:50:09 No.52073300 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073268
Sand at least got Houndstone
Also you're missing Glimmora on your list, arguably the best new rock(though Garg is good too)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:51:01 No.52073316 Report

Quoted By: >>52073625

>>52073167
GF is just Konami now
nerf old meta, to promote new meta
don't ask questions, just comsoom products

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:51:10 No.52073320 Report

Quoted By: >>52073427

>>52073243
Toxapex lost Scald but it still has Regenerator, Recover, Haze, and Toxic. It kinda sucks to lose Scald & Knock Off but it'll definitely still get played.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:51:10 No.52073321 Report

Quoted By: >>52073453 >>52074626

>>52072431
Effect chance added using data from >>52073183
https://pastebin.com/KDvCUDKZ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:52:09 No.52073334 Report

Quoted By: >>52073344

>Banette no poltergeist
>Banette nothing new at all
Tera would breathe some life into it but it would still be garbage. When/how are they fixing him bros?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:52:28 No.52073338 Report

Quoted By:

What set are you going to run on Tin-Lu the bowl?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:52:46 No.52073344 Report

Quoted By: >>52073380 >>52073388

>>52073334
It has the broken last rites so that’s something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:53:14 No.52073355 Report

Quoted By: >>52073444

>>52073295
Glimmora is easily an OU threat desu, even more than Garganacl

It gets a poison type rapid spin that guarantees a poison. It also gets Corrosion and its new ability which lets it set up a layer of T. Spikes when hit by a physical move with decent bulk.

It also has insane Special attack with Poison/Rock STAB and Earth power for coverage. Plus it can set up Rocks, spikes, and T. Spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:54:15 No.52073380 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073344
it doesn't have it? I thought only Houndstone, and when Home meta arrives Basculegion, got it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:54:31 No.52073388 Report

Quoted By: >>52073405

>>52073344
Redpill me on this, I didn't see it in either pastebin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:54:52 No.52073399 Report

Quoted By:

So have people figured out what evs the new pokemon give?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:55:03 No.52073405 Report

Quoted By: >>52073523

>>52073388
I think he's talking about last repsects

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:56:16 No.52073427 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073320
I can see it getting played, but it sure as hell won't be on nearly as many teams. It might not be nearly as big a deal to get stopped by it if it doesn't threaten enough in return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:56:38 No.52073435 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073146
See
>>52072164
With a single boost the thing is a beast. It will need strong support for steels and ghosts (though it will probably carry technician boosted thief to be safe). Outside of smogon it can also just baton pass its boosts away if it gets checked. It’s not a mindless setup sweeper but it has potential and I look forward to seeing where it ends up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:57:17 No.52073444 Report

Quoted By: >>52073491 >>52073587 >>52073620

>>52073355
Glimmora is just slow Nihilego with a few bells & whistles and coverage Nihilego wishes it had, but unlike Nihilego, Glimmora doesnt work that well as a wincon because nothing gets Meteor Beam in the game, which is a shame because again, Glimmora has what Nihilego wishes it had: Earth Power

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:57:52 No.52073453 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073321
Oh and flinch is a separate parameter in the CSV so it won't show in the additional effects rate field

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:57:53 No.52073454 Report

Quoted By: >>52073530 >>52073566

wait how do you get last respects onto an h-basculin if it and greavard/houndstone are in different egg groups
i apologize for dead brain if the answer is obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 19:59:57 No.52073491 Report

Quoted By: >>52073555

>>52073444
Glimmora is not a generic frail sweeper anon, check her abilities.
Toxic debris: when hit by a phys move release toxic spikes
Corrosion

This coupled with rapid spin and all hazards, she is more like suicide lead. Defog TM is gone so only 3 good mons learn it and Gholdengo is immune to defog and rapid spin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:01:08 No.52073510 Report

Quoted By:

>>52070286
no they are Tapus the Sequel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:01:59 No.52073523 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073405
You got me believing man. Banette for ubers here we go

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:02:03 No.52073525 Report

Quoted By:

How is Mabosstiff looking?
120 atk and Stakeout is promising.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:02:10 No.52073530 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073454
The datamine simply says that he can get it as an egg move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:03:12 No.52073555 Report

Quoted By: >>52073623

>>52073491
I'm aware of that, but Nihilego was also a suicide lead. That ability is neat but people can adapt and it doesnt require that much effort or special team building. Being able to get 2 hazards in 1 turn in a meta that could struggle to get hazards off a bit more is good, but again, needs to be a Physical Mon, and it's not like special threats sudeenly all have a bad matchup against Glimmora.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:03:52 No.52073566 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073454
Huh, good question. It *may* be a raid move, or a bug to be fixed at the actual launch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:05:31 No.52073587 Report

Quoted By: >>52073638

>>52073444
Still so sad Nihilego didn’t get EP or even Mystical Fire in Gen 8. It was such a fun mon and so close to being really good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:07:34 No.52073620 Report

Quoted By: >>52073642

>>52073444
the Isle of Armor tutor moves will probably be back in DLC honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:07:40 No.52073623 Report

Quoted By: >>52073721

>>52073555
Glimmora is also stronger and tankier than Nihilego, and doesn't sacrifice that much speed(its like base 87) so a scarf set is perfectly viable if you wanna go full offense rather than suicide lead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:07:51 No.52073625 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073316
>What is Landorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:08:34 No.52073638 Report

Quoted By: >>52073721

>>52073587
it did get Meteor Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:08:41 No.52073642 Report

Quoted By: >>52073660

>>52073620
yeah they didn't movexit them or anything, I imagine there is just no tutor for them currently, the fact that grassy glide even got nerfed suggest they are bringing them back in SV

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:09:35 No.52073660 Report

Quoted By: >>52073687

>>52073642
how much did Grassy Glide got nerfed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:09:42 No.52073662 Report

Quoted By: >>52073691

>>52073299
big problem: terrastalize into a Normal type, you're fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:11:10 No.52073687 Report

Quoted By: >>52074871

>>52073660
lost 10 BP so its now 60 BP
Same with Wicked blow which is no 75 BP instead of 80

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:11:15 No.52073691 Report

Quoted By: >>52073727

>>52073662
>Basculegion used Wave Crash!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:12:45 No.52073721 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073638
Yeah, but the crux to that set was Nihilego's lack of coverage to hit Steel, which is a big loss.
>>52073623
It could work for a Scarf without much of an issue, I was moreso talking for the sake of being a win condition. Its a big short. Nihilego's 103 is good for UU, and if it ever was to use a Meteor Beam set in OU, it'd dip its Spa just enough for Beast Boost to boost speed to ensure you can't revenge kill it. Very close to being good but again, no EP kinda fucks it.
Once Meteor Beam comes back, i'd expect Rock Polish Glimmora with it to be pretty good. Special edgequake is a really strong combo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:13:13 No.52073727 Report

Quoted By: >>52073751

>>52073691
if it's choiced that's a 50/50 but yes it's volatile af and will be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:14:25 No.52073751 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073727
Don't have to worry about it for another 3 or 4 months at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:14:27 No.52073752 Report

Quoted By: >>52073797 >>52073810

did Fishous Rend / Bolt Beak got nerfed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:15:28 No.52073773 Report

Quoted By: >>52073797 >>52073810

did Gorilla Tactics or G-Darmanitan got nerfed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:16:37 No.52073797 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073752
>>52073773
I don't believe so, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:17:21 No.52073810 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073752
>>52073773
Neither is in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:18:00 No.52073830 Report

Quoted By: >>52073837 >>52073857 >>52073945

>>52068060
How does breeding work? Are the ability mints in game? How easy is EV training? Is there a way to tweak IVs without breeding? Is there a way to check EV/IV without a calculator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:18:24 No.52073837 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073830
breeding with meowscarada!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:19:01 No.52073857 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073830
>ability mints
nature mints/ability pills*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:19:22 No.52073863 Report

Quoted By: >>52073871

How much do the X of Ruin abilities debuff by?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:19:38 No.52073871 Report

Quoted By: >>52073903

>>52073863
I heard that it's one stage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:21:13 No.52073903 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073871
God damn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:23:32 No.52073945 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073830
Based on word of mouth
>Breeding sounds like it's more tedious to set up but easier to AFK
>Mints are confirmed in
>Hyper Training is in and can be done at Lv. 50
>IV Checker is Postgame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:34:07 No.52074138 Report

Quoted By: >>52074268 >>52074291 >>52074320 >>52075330

I think the defensive two of the legendaries demand more attention because they have essentially a permanent Dauntless Shield and the specisl equivalent of it, which makes them extremely bulky. They also have good all-around stats and movepools, including their signature move that halves HP and Knock Off. Unfortunately neither has Recover, that went to the shillmon Chien-Pao because why the hell not.
However they will fulfill more or less the same role as Tapu Fini, just with different targets. Expect them to be common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:40:23 No.52074268 Report

Quoted By: >>52074328 >>52074388 >>52074588 >>52074600

>>52074138
Yea, it basically gives them +60 BST in their defensive stat.
Snail mon has giga drain and more importantly leech seed+payback so he is fine.
Bowl mon has..... nothing but he has the better typing. Protect+EQ+filler

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:41:38 No.52074291 Report

Quoted By:

>>52074138
Honestly this pisses me off the most. They gave recover to the most broken of the quartet with subpar defenses but not to the bulky bros. As a snailchad it’s outrageous

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:43:00 No.52074320 Report

Quoted By:

>>52074138
Ferro ran Protect+Knock+Leech back in older gens so this guy seems like a return to pre-Body Press

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:43:22 No.52074328 Report

Quoted By:

>>52074268
Ting-Lu is Tyranitar with a good type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:44:52 No.52074355 Report

Quoted By:

New thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:46:25 No.52074387 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073268
>Excadrill cut.
Damn, it'll be a lonely gen without my favorite mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:46:31 No.52074388 Report

Quoted By: >>52074442

>>52074268
It gets Rock Slide and Foul Play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:48:47 No.52074425 Report

Quoted By:

>An item to be held by a Pokémon. This herb will allow the holder to mirror an opponent’s stat increases to boost its own stats—but only once.
Gimmicky, but good counterplay if some mon has been able to set up on you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:49:29 No.52074442 Report

Quoted By: >>52074505

>>52074388
The snail gets foul play (which I wrote as payback by accident) but the bowl doesn't.
It can run spikes+whirlwind+eq+protect which is very vanilla. The only possible variation is stealth rock ans body press (110 def)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:51:02 No.52074473 Report

Quoted By:

>>52073299
the rats will feast on this fish lmao

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:52:36 No.52074505 Report

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>>52074442
Honestly this is all it needs. Lack of Recover is really these two's real issue. But I think a RestTalk set if you need status absorbers (and with shit like TSpikes and that horrific Sneasler's signature move, status will be common) could be very viable too.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:54:32 No.52074534 Report

Quoted By: >>52074550 >>52074577 >>52074610 >>52074759

how good is hisuian arcanine going to be?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:54:59 No.52074543 Report

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are the tutors not mined yet, or does the game just not have tutors?
The move bin doesn't have the 'this move should be forgotten' message for poltergeist or triple axel...

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:55:05 No.52074550 Report

Quoted By: >>52074602

>>52074534
PU but not completely dead on arrival.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:55:39 No.52074564 Report

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Are there any notable core mechanic changes? Something like the Paralyze change for example. I just know about Hail changing to Snow.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:56:19 No.52074577 Report

Quoted By: >>52074602

>>52074534
UU or RU.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:56:46 No.52074588 Report

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>>52074268
I'm shocked they gave them the logically good offensive debuff instead of the stereotypical one for their designs. This makes them very bulky on both sides, and their defensive types are very niche so they don't work as blanket checks on a dedicated side. This is what makes them usable instead of something like Aggron.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:57:18 No.52074600 Report

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>>52074268
I guess it can be AV or hazard setter since it get spikes/SR.

> -1 252 SpA Choice Specs Blacephalon Overheat vs. 248 HP / 200+ SpD Assault Vest Krookodile: 138-163 (26.9 - 31.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

> -1 252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 200+ SpD Assault Vest Krookodile: 103-123 (20 - 23.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

> -1 252 SpA Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 248 HP / 200+ SpD Assault Vest Krookodile: 140-168 (27.2 - 32.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Yeah some of these calcs are pretty ridiculous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:57:21 No.52074602 Report

Quoted By: >>52074629 >>52074639

>>52074550
>>52074577
it's that bad, uh...

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:57:37 No.52074610 Report

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>>52074534
Excellent, now that its has real moves. Being a monotype was the biggest thing holding it back from offensive roles, since it was stuck with wild charge and nothing for water and fires. and its defensive merits have been waning even before it got a new form with more weaknesses.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:58:34 No.52074626 Report

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>>52073321
Flinch rate, stat changes, recoil and heal info added
https://pastebin.com/vvi0wcFZ

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:58:39 No.52074629 Report

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>>52074602
No its not bad at all but its speed prevents it from being OU.
Rock head + stab flare blitz/head smash is retarded

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 20:59:03 No.52074639 Report

Quoted By: >>52074702 >>52074736 >>52074777

>>52074602
UU in modern Smogon formats means your Pokemon is legitimately quite good.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:02:48 No.52074702 Report

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>>52074639
This, look at the current UU viability rankings. It's fucking insane

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:04:04 No.52074736 Report

Quoted By: >>52074785

>>52074639
Even making it to RU at this point is a pretty solid Pokémon.
Look at the NU Banlist: Cresselia, Tornadus, Entei, Porygon-Z. It's some pretty tough stuff.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:05:03 No.52074759 Report

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>>52074534
Really good.

STAB Flare Blitz, STAB Head Smash, Rock Head for both, Extreme Speed for priority, Wild Charge, Close Combat, Morning Sun, Bulldoze, etc

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:06:07 No.52074777 Report

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>>52074639
UU is what past gens OU would look like.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:06:25 No.52074785 Report

Quoted By: >>52074803 >>52074840

>>52074736
Poor Tornadus.
Only genie that didn't fuck up the meta.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:07:33 No.52074803 Report

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>>52074785
Yeah because Tornadus-T exists and is a top tier genie. Thundurus is the bad one nowadays.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:09:23 No.52074833 Report

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What we thinking on Kilowattrel boys? Rain staple right?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:09:40 No.52074840 Report

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>>52074785
Zoomer take. Base Torn was a rain staple before it got mogged by therian.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:10:14 No.52074854 Report

Quoted By: >>52074861

Isn't Pressure broken now that PP Up and PP Max don't exist?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:10:33 No.52074861 Report

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>>52074854
PP up does exist

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:11:09 No.52074871 Report

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>>52073687
What I'm hearing here is that Breloom desperately wishes it got Grassy Glide now.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:19:18 No.52075005 Report

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thoughts on a rock polish glimmora?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:21:31 No.52075054 Report

Quoted By: >>52075086 >>52075110

How do I make Squawkabilly work? What ability to use?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:22:56 No.52075086 Report

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>>52075054
Hustle is the best for it
It doesnt have the Spa or the moves for Sheer Force.
Its stats are really weak and movepool is very lacking but its Brave Bird with Hustle outdamages Reckless Staraptor's by just a bit
That's the only thing it really has going for it

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:23:58 No.52075110 Report

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>>52075054
You probably don't want to be using it seriously unless you're in a lower tier of singles. There, you'll want guts flame orb with facade/brave bird/reversal/u-turn

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:24:52 No.52075131 Report

Quoted By: >>52075244

how do you get hidden abilities here?
i want a costar flamigo

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:26:34 No.52075166 Report

Quoted By: >>52075194

Does the game have data for the Titan pokemon and/or Starmobile Revavrooms? I assume they aren't just regular stats.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:27:29 No.52075194 Report

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>>52075166
We have data for the moves, but not the mons themselves yet(though I assume they obviously exist) someone on smogon asked about it for OM purposes so we'll see

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:29:17 No.52075244 Report

Quoted By: >>52075412

>>52075131
Raids

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:29:22 No.52075248 Report

Quoted By: >>52075285

So Cyclizar is likely to be quite good right? Shed Tail or whatever, Regenerator, removal, knock off, good speed tier?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:31:09 No.52075285 Report

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>>52075248
Yep, he is a shillmon.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:32:38 No.52075330 Report

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>>52074138
I just don’t get why it got recover when the other defensive Pokémon needed it the most. Whoever designed the Ice Cat clearly heard people’s grips with Ice Types getting the shaft, but went into overdrive with how broken they can make it. Look at its coverage moves and set up moves. The fucker gets SD + ICE SHARD + SACRED SWORD! Dude is going to get banned day 1.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:33:32 No.52075350 Report

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>>52068060
Do Orichalcum Pulse and Hadron Engine boost stats always during harsh sun/electric terrain or is it just once?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 21:36:06 No.52075412 Report

Quoted By: >>52076197

>>52075244
Do they drop ability patches? or are they just gone

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Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 22:10:54 No.52076197 Report

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>>52075412
they just gone

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