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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:19:43 No.52084090 View View Reply Original Report

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I actually lost to a trainer for the first time in like 7 years in a Pokemon campaign. They finally did it and made a challenging Pokemon game again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:21:39 No.52084134 Report

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Geodude used mud slap!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:22:35 No.52084155 Report

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>>52084090
You dumb fuckers said this about Volo too so I highly doubt it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:23:23 No.52084164 Report

Quoted By: >>52084178 >>52088838 >>52090557

>>52084155
Volo was genuinely challenging. Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:23:24 No.52084165 Report

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>>52084155
I didn't lose in PLA if I recall correctly. This is legitimately the first time I actually remembering losing to a trainer in a Pokemon story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:24:13 No.52084178 Report

Quoted By: >>52084227 >>52084382 >>52088583 >>52089294 >>52090557

>>52084164
Calling him genuinely challenging is the cope. The game literally gave you an alpha Zoroark to eat his ass with ten minutes earlier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:24:26 No.52084182 Report

Quoted By: >>52084245 >>52086163 >>52087642

>>52084090
>challenging
The levels are all over the place. If you take a wrong route you'll get fucked. Awful game design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:25:03 No.52084191 Report

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>>52084155
Volo was hard if you didn't spam the grit and have a balanced team. The rest of the game was so easy that I had like 3 ghosts and all my mons were undertrained so it was hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:26:05 No.52084206 Report

Quoted By: >>52089508

the “pokemon games have gotten easier” thing is a complete meme, I’ve gotten closer to losing trainer battles in every single gen 6+ game (yes even in XY and ORAS due to sky and inverse battles) than I have in any of the DS or GBA games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:26:32 No.52084214 Report

Quoted By: >>52085983 >>52086074

>>52084155
Volo had 8 Pokemon spread across 3 consecutive battles with high tier "champion" levels and managed to improve Cynthia's shitheel team by pathing up some of her glaring weakness overlap. It's objectively the hardest story boss in Pokemon by the mere notion of having 2 Giratina, resetting your stat changes twice, and forcing you into your first position Pokemon twice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:27:46 No.52084227 Report

Quoted By: >>52084283 >>52086961 >>52090557

>>52084178
>uses OP mon
>WAHHHHHHHHHH THE GAME IS TOO EASY
Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:28:07 No.52084233 Report

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the level design is completely everywhere
I walked into the cave under the psychic gym with level 15 pokemon outside not even that far away and suddenly it spikes up to level 40
then when I leave through another exit there are level 10s on the way back (????)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:28:16 No.52084236 Report

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>>52084155
People who don't know what's coming have a harder time because they can't prepare.
Maybe you're that good at Pokemon, but if you already know that Volo's gonna throw a curveball and play around that then you can't say that the fight is easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:28:47 No.52084245 Report

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>>52084182
What's the recommended route to take for a decently challenging playthrough?

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:29:24 No.52084253 Report

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>>52084245
Keep your levels down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:29:42 No.52084261 Report

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>>52084090
I just lost to this one today too. That starmobile would be decently strong solo, after 3 other poison types it's crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:29:58 No.52084267 Report

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>>52084090
Is this Kingdom Hearts now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:30:57 No.52084283 Report

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>>52084227
>the mon with no ability after turn 1 is OP
I understand now. Thanks for enlightening me Vol-bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:31:22 No.52084290 Report

Quoted By: >>52084377

>>52084283
>ability
>PLA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:31:54 No.52084298 Report

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People always repeats this rhetoric of "pokemon is too easy" until they're caught lacking. The games have been getting more and more difficult for years, especially with AI prioritizing moves better and gamefreak giving more type coverage. Good luck to those that play Scarlet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:33:38 No.52084327 Report

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>>52084090
This was a legitimate difficulty spike for me too. You fight 3 pretty bulky poison types and then you fight the starmobile and it doesn't take any damage even from ground moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:36:59 No.52084377 Report

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>>52084290
Fuck me for thinking in SV terms, you're right I'm faggot. It's still far from the best PLA mon though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:37:13 No.52084382 Report

Quoted By: >>52084413

>>52084178
>If you know ahead of time what the fight is going to be then you can prepare

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:38:26 No.52084401 Report

Quoted By: >>52084424

>>52084090
When did you fight him? Star bosses aren't scaled by your progress

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:39:53 No.52084413 Report

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>>52084382
>she had to reset against cynthia 200 times to win

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:40:32 No.52084424 Report

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>>52084401
Immediately after the water gym who I did with mostly level 29/30s. He just has a really bulky team so being underleveled is pretty bad. Do you happen to know what level the fighting base one is? Because Nurse Joy is telling me to go there next which seems kinda crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:41:08 No.52084435 Report

Quoted By: >>52084459

>>52084413
We're talking about Volo. Get a grip retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:41:26 No.52084438 Report

Quoted By: >>52084506

>>52084424
Nurse Joy must be high on crack because the fighting one is the one you're supposed to fight last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:42:56 No.52084459 Report

Quoted By: >>52084553

>>52084435
sorry you also had to reset 200 times in PLA despite being 30 years older than the target audience

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:45:25 No.52084506 Report

Quoted By: >>52084550 >>52084584 >>52084646

>>52084438
My highest level Pokemon is 31 so I'm going to ignore this bitch then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:47:59 No.52084550 Report

Quoted By: >>52084646 >>52084741

>>52084506
The fighting-type leader's pokemon range from lv 55 to 56.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:48:12 No.52084553 Report

Quoted By: >>52090713

>>52084459
How fucking childish can you be?
People got caught off guard and got wiped by Volo's Giratina 1 or 2 times and have to rethink their strategy once they know what's going on in the fight. Then the fight is challenging for those who didn't already know what's coming.
Actually give an argument next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:49:37 No.52084567 Report

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>>52084090
I thought that Koku was the 2nd gym leader and I had fuecoco as my fire starter so I lost to him once. Little did I know he was the 4th gym and I has missed 25% of the game's content because for some reason they want you to fly around the continent in a random order

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:50:24 No.52084584 Report

Quoted By: >>52084646

>>52084506
that has to be bugged shes sending you to the hardest non elite four trainer in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:53:48 No.52084646 Report

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>>52084584
>>52084550
>>52084506
the nurses just send you to the nearest boss, not the next one by level

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:57:11 No.52084721 Report

Quoted By: >>52084747

>Gamefreak market the game that there is no set path you need to take for the game
>Go face Grusha for your first gym leader
>All his pokemon are late lv. 40s regardless of your progress
Sasuga Masuda

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:58:15 No.52084741 Report

Quoted By: >>52084759

>>52084550
Do you happen to know the levels for the salaryman gym leader?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:58:31 No.52084747 Report

Quoted By: >>52085316 >>52085369

>>52084721
They outright said if you wanted to challenge yourself you can head straight to the harder bosses early and try to take them on. Yet people are surprised there's no scaling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 04:59:13 No.52084759 Report

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>>52084741
Lv. 35-36.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:36:20 No.52085316 Report

Quoted By: >>52085340 >>52085882

>>52084747
pokemon isn't like other games where you can make up for deficits with skill

if the gym leader is even 10 levels higher, they'll like just one shot your whole team, you can't "challenge yourself" by going to the hardest gym leaders first, it's just straight up impossible

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:38:13 No.52085340 Report

Quoted By: >>52085358

>>52085316
>where you can make up for deficits with skill
you absolutely can make up for deficits with skill. You're just bad at the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:39:24 No.52085358 Report

Quoted By: >>52085374 >>52085389 >>52085423

>>52085340
to an extent obviously, but no amount of skill is going to make up for the gym leader being 10 levels higher than you, outspeeding, and one-shotting your whole team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:40:08 No.52085369 Report

Quoted By: >>52085402 >>52085576

>>52084747
>"challenge myself" by going to hard gym first
>win, get ten levels worth of xp
>50% of the rest of the content in the game instantly becomes babby piss-tier easy because now im overlevelled
yet people will defend this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:40:23 No.52085374 Report

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>>52085358
That's literally how kids were expected to deal with Cynthia's Garchomp being over 10 levels over the curve. Come on now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:41:10 No.52085389 Report

Quoted By: >>52085591

>>52085358
they won't one shot you if you use this cool mechanic the game has where if your pokemon is a certain type it will take less damage against other types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:42:05 No.52085402 Report

Quoted By: >>52089472

>>52085369
The alternative is....what, exactly? Not letting you pick your gyms so that you can do them in any levelled order you want? Scaling them means you didn't have that initial hurdle in the first place so that's not an argument. Are you bitching just to bitch? Because it seems like you aren't being genuine here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:42:19 No.52085406 Report

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>>52084090
This is unironically the easiest pokemon game ever made by a ridiculous margin, you should be embarrassed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:43:45 No.52085423 Report

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>>52085358
funnily enough the school lesson stuff even joke about the level 5 aron stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:50:47 No.52085530 Report

Quoted By: >>52085558

I don't think Open world really fits the Pokemon formula t.bh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:52:12 No.52085558 Report

Quoted By: >>52085850

>>52085530
this. pokemon works much better when there are npcs constantly blocking me and telling me where to go so I can just mindlessly mash A to progress like unova

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:52:50 No.52085576 Report

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>>52085369
This is what I accident did. I went in a ranfo direction and challenged the first gym I bumped into. Was disappointed that they didnt scale but somehow beat it and now I'm so over leveled that I had to box the party and start look up the recommended order of gyms online because the in-game recommendations are bullshit. I'm curious how most actual children will play around with this freedom and less hand holding than previous gens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 05:54:07 No.52085591 Report

Quoted By: >>52085710 >>52085712

>>52085389
>doesn't one shot you
>you do no damage back because you're way under their level
>they hit you again and you die

damn they two shot you, what a difference

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:00:45 No.52085698 Report

Quoted By: >>52085769

>>52084253
Lol, wut

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:01:29 No.52085710 Report

Quoted By: >>52085728

>>52085591
>>you do no damage back because you're way under their level
damn...if only there was a way for a lower leveled pokemon to do more damage....like maybe some kind of move that temporarily increases their stats....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:01:39 No.52085712 Report

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>>52085591
Tbh, if it's 10-15 levels over, one could manage but it'll either require you to have a team that's a high enough level to have a decent movepool to circumvent the difference, or the use of some cheese strategies like taking advantage of the braindead AI by spamming status de/buffs.

I don't understand why some want to die on this hill defending this series as some kind of high strategic ceiling when it has always been children's first RPG game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:03:00 No.52085728 Report

Quoted By: >>52085845 >>52085956 >>52085980

>>52085710
>gym leader used attack!
>you used buff!
>gym leader used attack again!
>you fainted!

Are you stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:05:44 No.52085769 Report

Quoted By: >>52087756

>>52085698
The exploration progression definitely is not a natural one. I went in blind and did 1>5>9, I wouldve done 11 next but realized that my party is in average lv20s but everything around 11 is level 50.

I think the game wants the player to occasionally return to the school base before going further but it doesnt tell you that at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:11:47 No.52085845 Report

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>>52085728
I'm not that anon(or as obtuse), but I got through the one gym where I was underleveled by 10 by spamming potions and attack buffs(while walling the gym leaders weaker mons) so I could sweep the team...but exploiting that way didnt feel fun at all and this strategy wouldnt have worked if i was 20 levels under

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:12:16 No.52085850 Report

Quoted By: >>52086047

>>52085558
If they aren't going to bother level scaling the game then there is no point in making it open world. They could've spent their time fleshing out routes and making the game run better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:15:19 No.52085882 Report

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>>52085316
Nigga your ass retarded. I've 10-20 levels under for almost every E4 in the past 3-4 gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:16:15 No.52085891 Report

Quoted By: >>52085943

Like any open world you farm Chansey/Blissey in the best location and be overleveled for the rest of the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:17:16 No.52085902 Report

Quoted By: >>52085986 >>52086055 >>52090518 >>52090607 >>52090676 >>52090779

My favorite criticism is that gym leaders should have different teams to scale to your party/progress, but if you suggest the player use a different team if they're overleveled they flip the fuck out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:20:46 No.52085943 Report

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>>52085891
This is what I did here. I was underleveled because I went off course and challenge some harder gyms first. I used the auto battle mechanic to farm exp with random shit and with that plus the party exp share(thats a default to the games now) I was over leveled for most of the game, barring the couple late game areas that has things that are in the lv50s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:22:12 No.52085956 Report

Quoted By: >>52089024

>>52085728
>gym leader used attack!
>you used buff!
>gym leader used attack again!
>you survived due to buff!
>you used potion!
>you used buff again!
are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:24:54 No.52085980 Report

Quoted By: >>52089024

>>52085728
Man, if only there were a way to heal damage you take. Shame there's nothing like that huh? Ha, what a world that would be. Healing. Lol. Lmao even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:25:08 No.52085983 Report

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>>52084214
Giratina is a massive shitmon so it doesn’t even matter.
The only hard part about the battle is that your play on set mode so when you KO something Volo sends a counter out and you go 1 for 1 quite easily

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:25:14 No.52085986 Report

Quoted By: >>52086026

>>52085902
That's what I did. I had to box my initial team and shuffle through them, I even made up new teams of random new gen shitmons just to test them out but at the end of the day, it feels like I'm doing the extra work for something that devs shouldve done. Like those extreme self imposed challenges to make up for how easy the games are but somehow worse this time because having am open world that's full of "DPS checks" is a terrible design flaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:26:49 No.52086015 Report

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>Gym leader uses telegraphed type mons then Teravolts last mon which has no business being grass type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:27:21 No.52086026 Report

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>>52085986
You started good then ended up whining like every person I mentioned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:28:50 No.52086047 Report

Quoted By: >>52086216

>>52085850
just because you're bad at pokemon and can't take advantage of the open world doesn't mean everyone else is.

>They could've spent their time fleshing out routes
i.e. "turn them into hallways with shitty npcs standing on the side just like my heckin unova"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:28:53 No.52086050 Report

Quoted By: >>52086983

>>52084090
>loses once in an entire game
>guys the game is challenging now!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:29:11 No.52086055 Report

Quoted By: >>52086088

>>52085902
Are you stupid? It's not the responsibility of the player to balance the game and constantly micromanage around the broken "level curve" (or lack thereof) in the game. It's up to the devs to make an enjoyable experience that flows from beginning to end, you're paying $60 for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:30:34 No.52086074 Report

Quoted By: >>52086708 >>52087429

>>52084214
Because battles werent much of a focus in PLA, I constantly made up new teams of things I just caught in new areas so I was slightly underleveled but didnt have much of a problem...until I realized how poorly designed the set style of PLA is and how having a team of 8 is bullshit, especially when the system revolves around revenge killing whenever something tags out. The only way to win was to be over leveled or sit on a stall and spam some revives for your party to make up for the 6vs8 shit show

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:31:39 No.52086088 Report

Quoted By: >>52086152

>>52086055
>make game for 25 years
>players cry that game is "too easy" and never gets difficult
>make game open world with choice to play like normal or challenge yourself
>autists lose their mind because they hate choice and refuse to use their imagination in the sandbox
poor billy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:37:15 No.52086152 Report

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>>52086088
>make game open world with choice to play like normal or challenge yourself
It's not a choice if the game doesn't make it clear what the fuck you're supposed to do to get a proper curve. Also even that argument doesn't work, because if you go straight to a harder gym at the beginning to "challenge yourself" you'll end up overleveling yourself and make the rest of the game piss easy, meaning you only "challenged yourself" at the beginning of the game and now everything that follows is even easier than before.
Use your fucking head please, this is indefensible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:38:26 No.52086163 Report

Quoted By: >>52086189

>>52084182
>If you take a wrong route you'll get fucked. Awful game design.
thats funny, this is one of the things that makes the dark souls series great LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:40:42 No.52086189 Report

Quoted By: >>52086222 >>52088447

>>52086163
Dark Souls is an action RPG, it's skill based and the entire game can be beaten at level 1 with enough skill, turning it into a balance of challenge and reward as opposed to you literally don't have enough stats to win like Pokemon. Furthermore, the action gameplay means that even lower leveled enemies can pose a challenge, unlike in a turn based RPG like Pokemon where an opponent as little as 8 levels below you gets one shot by your A press.
You really are a dumb motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:42:07 No.52086216 Report

Quoted By: >>52086237

>>52086047
No it throws off the pacing of the game. That's why people shit and piss themselves over HGSS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:42:23 No.52086222 Report

Quoted By: >>52086350 >>52089003 >>52090643

>>52086189
You can beat every pokemon game at level 1. Also
>bitching about difficulty when you're going to spam STAB moves to one shot gym leaders whether you're 5 levels below or 20 levels above

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:43:24 No.52086237 Report

Quoted By: >>52086312

>>52086216
>That's why people shit and piss themselves over HGSS
people give gen 2 shit because it has awful level scaling, and people unironically want that in SV

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:47:30 No.52086294 Report

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>games/cartoons throughout the years imply and straight out say that gym leaders scale themselves by the level of their challenger/how many badges they have
>finally make an open world gen where you can challenge gyms in any order
>get wiped out by mons that are 40 levels higher than you

I guess they had to make a decision because even if gym leaders would scale, the team rocket(equivalent) and other story progression would still be high leveled. As for wild pokemon, they can just do what every other open world rpg does with elite monsters, have high level monsters in lower level areas and trust players to use their common sense not to challenge it until they're ready, even PLA had this with alpha pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:48:43 No.52086312 Report

Quoted By: >>52086326

>>52086237
It doesn't have any level scaling at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:49:33 No.52086326 Report

Quoted By: >>52086361

>>52086312
are you retarded or just not following along

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:51:07 No.52086350 Report

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>>52086222
>exploits exist so there's rare circumstances where a level 1 can beat almost anything, therefore the game is balanced

Are you serious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:51:52 No.52086361 Report

Quoted By: >>52086395

>>52086326
No you are. There is no level scaling in HG/SS and people shit themselves over it because. It's the biggest complaint people have on the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 06:53:27 No.52086395 Report

Quoted By: >>52089019

>>52086361
People complain about HGSS because the entire region plays out between 10-40 and it's boring as fuck. There are no jumps in levels, it's designed to match your level progress through the region. That's what people are asking for with scaling in SV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:18:21 No.52086677 Report

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>>52084090
I think you're just bad at a game for kids dude. Did you EV train your pokemon correctly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:21:16 No.52086708 Report

Quoted By: >>52086932

>>52086074
Or just use Ursaluna and solo the entire boss fight with 4 moves while 10 levels down. That's what most people did after they realized what they were up against.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:26:22 No.52086757 Report

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I'm also calling bullshit on the over-leveling, I've done 4 badges, 3 titans, 2 team star bases, and I'm looking to be about 4-6 levels under the poison guy now.
That's not to say I think the game is hard, afterall, I am scraping by despite being underleveled, but its definitely harder than SWSH or XY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:36:24 No.52086851 Report

Quoted By: >>52086987

A lot of pokemon battling pros here. Let's see if you can help with this one. I wandered onto the road to the pokemon league, and there was this pokemon taxi driver guy with a Lv.56 Krookodile. I had 5 pokemon under Lv.10 and the Grass starter at Lv 12.

So, how would you guys have beaten him? Don't say you would EV trained or magically had a Shedinja or setup sweeper on your team xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:38:13 No.52086870 Report

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>>52084090
You say this for every new game, paid shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:45:21 No.52086932 Report

Quoted By: >>52086962 >>52087000

>>52086708
Funny enough, i had an ursaluna on the team as the wall of my team. When Volo only had 1 mon left(before his 2 garatinas) I sat on ursaluna tanking and fully restored my team. Usually I'm against item spamming/using items in battle in general but that battery pissed me off and I wasn't going to grind to beat it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:48:31 No.52086961 Report

Quoted By: >>52086972 >>52087098

>>52084227
So you are suppose to deliberately handicap your dumbass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:48:33 No.52086962 Report

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>>52086932
Headlong Rush, Giga Impact, Play Rough, Ice Punch. You can now OHKO nearly every single Pokemon in that entire fight while underleveled. You're expected to lose the first time, not sweeping him in the rematch is just sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:50:01 No.52086972 Report

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>>52086961
That's not what handicapping means you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:51:30 No.52086983 Report

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>>52086050
>lose zero times in the older games
>bros the older games were harder trust me!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:51:44 No.52086987 Report

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>>52086851
If I were an obtuse pokeshill, I'd tell you that with enough skill, you can beat anything in game, no matter the level gap but honestly, the only answer is to just avoid the late game areas.

I accidentally challenged an npc that had a single lv50 mon when my party was only around 20 and under, I had to poison stall it death and even that was just luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:52:22 No.52087000 Report

Quoted By: >>52087044

>>52086932
Belly drum, burn orb + guts and drain punch

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:55:05 No.52087030 Report

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What about making a path easy to follow, but also easy to ignore? Road signs around telling you where to go, but if you wanna zip off to the opposite end of the map for a challenge or to beeline to rare Pokémon, you're free to do so? I think that's the best solution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 07:56:18 No.52087044 Report

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>>52087000
Items and Abilities aren't in PLA

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:00:58 No.52087098 Report

Quoted By: >>52087137

>>52086961
Well yes. That's why nuzlockes are so popular. It's a game that albeit its depth in the competitive scene, is made with kids as its primary audience. Using everything to your full advantage would also mean using legendaries, or battle items, or healing items, or switch mode etc etc that pretty much make everything a cakewalk as long as you come from a civilization with some frontal lobe development, can't be sure in this board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:04:29 No.52087137 Report

Quoted By: >>52087269

>>52087098
>switch mode
You're stuck in that now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:05:41 No.52087144 Report

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>>52084090
Sounds like you're just incompetent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:16:56 No.52087269 Report

Quoted By:

>>52087137
I dont like it but you can consciously still choose to not use it. Not like it forces you to switch. If that was the biggest problem, we'd have an amazing game..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:18:02 No.52087280 Report

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Am I the only one who thought the exploration and level scaling was fine? It seems like if you pick a direction and go in it you can keep going for a while until you reach something too strong then you can either bash your head against it until you beat it, your team might be strong vs that type, or you can try doing the star base or one of those big pokemon then follow that path until they get too strong and continue rotating.

I also think no level scaling was better than scaling. In the open world romhacks like crystal clear the scaling makes you think about your full team and what they are weak to and what they are strong against so you try to optimise the order you do them in.
Without level scaling you dont have to worry about having a team weak to dark and accidentally leaving the dark gym till last. If you have a team weak to a gym you can continue exploring and either get stronger or maybe find a fighting type you like and try it again. Would be nice as an option for future playthroughs but I think its fine for a first playthrough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:19:36 No.52087298 Report

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Trainers I lost to this Gen:

>Mela
>Iono
>Larry (Gym)

Not bad. Rest of the game was still a cakewalk though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:20:31 No.52087306 Report

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This game can feel challenging in the early levels if you choose the mid gyms first which can require some grinding but you just end up being in a weird spot where you're too over leveled for the actual starter gyms and too underleveled for the late game gyms. Players on this board probably wont mind this but in wonder what the general opinion about the open world design and the lack of scaling will be like.

Tbh, I see a lot of actual kids struggling to get around the story mode because itll hold their hands less and the "help I'm lost" suggestion is completely useless because it'll only recommend you to challenge things that are 20 levels over you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:22:08 No.52087325 Report

Quoted By:

Just constantly rotate your pokemon if you want a smidgen of challenge

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:30:24 No.52087429 Report

Quoted By: >>52087532

>>52086074
I killed volo with lvl 65 chatot moatly spamming snarl
Git gut

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:39:27 No.52087532 Report

Quoted By: >>52087562 >>52087742

>>52087429
Yeah, no. PLA is anti-sweeping and has no priority and pretty much ignored speed whenever something else is set, it even disregards it's own "strong and fast" style mechanics I had a fast swords dancer ready to sweep volo and it got revenge killed after a couple switches

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:40:18 No.52087541 Report

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>>52084253
Thanks anon. I was hoping someone would post this so I wouldn't accidentally skip the low level battles and have to come back to them later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:41:32 No.52087562 Report

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>>52087532
That's more you not knowing how priority turn order works, anon. You can sweep his entire team before he ever gets a move if you're using Styles properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:48:20 No.52087642 Report

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>>52084182
There's plenty foreshadowing. If wild mons are 20 levels above you turn back or buy revives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:49:56 No.52087662 Report

Quoted By:

The final boss slaughtered my team without mercy. I was stunned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:51:14 No.52087671 Report

Quoted By: >>52087700

>>52084253
Looking at the map it looks like it would be really easy to accidentally run into the Psychic gym leader near the start of the game. Eri of Team Star also seems really easy to accidentally bump into if you go right and then try to make your way up the map.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:54:11 No.52087700 Report

Quoted By: >>52087797

>>52087671
You'll very quickly realize you're in the wrong neighborhood because of the ambient Pokemon levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:57:20 No.52087736 Report

Quoted By:

Maybe I'm less critical because I didn't pay money for it but I'm having fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:58:12 No.52087742 Report

Quoted By:

>>52087532
Thats why I abused snarl and quick roost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 08:59:30 No.52087756 Report

Quoted By:

>>52085769
I assumed that too but I never went back to the school and I just beat the 8th gym. I just flew to the nearest PokeCenter near my next target.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 09:03:42 No.52087797 Report

Quoted By: >>52087841

>>52087700
I try to keep a balance of wild pokemon battles to gain some exp but it's really easy to walk a few steps into a new zone without realizing that everything is now 30 levels higher. Fortunately it's easy enough to deal with if it's just a wild pokemon that you can run away from but sometimes, you're stuck in a trainer battle while under leveled and force to either back out or soft reset. Some of the titan battles are also more challenging than the area that they take place in. For example the desert titan donphan needs you to at least have something that's in the 30s but it's in an area where everything is level 10-18

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 09:08:08 No.52087841 Report

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>>52087797
With trainer placements, if you managed to walk up to one without seeing ambient Pokemon levels on the way that's kind of just on you. And the Titans aren't particularly overleveled for their specific areas either, Great Tusk/Iron Treads is in a zone that's adjacent to a bunch of lower level stuff but in the zone it's actually in everything's much higher level than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 09:24:43 No.52088002 Report

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>>52084155
I understand your pain man. I think people that actually had a problem with his fight just speedran the game instead of completing every side quest and exploring everywhere first. My alpha Garchomp blasted through his entire fight on its own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 09:26:25 No.52088018 Report

Quoted By: >>52088777

How do I make eggs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:07:50 No.52088447 Report

Quoted By: >>52088756

>>52086189
Okay. The Witcher 3 then.
The Witcher sells like a open world game but has the exact same problem as SV but somehow here is not a fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:19:43 No.52088583 Report

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>>52084178
Same for people saying ultra nekrozma is difficult, just use zoroark bro, so easy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:33:47 No.52088756 Report

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>>52088447
NTA, I haven't played through Witcher 3 but doesn't it have a quest list? The way points don't put you in endgame territory from the beginning do they?

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:35:13 No.52088777 Report

Quoted By: >>52090037

>>52088018
picnic tiem

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:40:06 No.52088838 Report

Quoted By: >>52089597

>>52084164
Wait people actually struggled against Volo? It's not a meme? H-how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:52:54 No.52088958 Report

Quoted By:

>>52084090
You have the mental capability of a 5yo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:56:48 No.52089003 Report

Quoted By:

>>52086222
You can't because you'll gain levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:57:55 No.52089019 Report

Quoted By:

>>52086395
That's not level scaling, and therefore it's not at all what people want in SV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 10:58:05 No.52089024 Report

Quoted By:

>>52085980
>>52085956
I always self-ban items in battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:23:07 No.52089294 Report

Quoted By: >>52089326

>>52084178
>muh zoroark
Autists who win by exploiting dumb ass AI and feel smart are pathetic. Imagine trying so hard ingame instead of using your favourite mons/a cool team composition. Probably Volo is easy as shit if you have a decent team but you midwits with your reddit strats are very childish

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:23:55 No.52089303 Report

Quoted By: >>52089329

>>52084090
Is maboschiff any good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:26:03 No.52089326 Report

Quoted By: >>52089380

>>52089294
The fuck does Hisuian Zoroark have to do with AI? Illusion's not in PLA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:26:10 No.52089328 Report

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>>52084090
I don't care about difficulty. Is pkhex already compatible with SV? so I can skip the useless grinding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:26:26 No.52089329 Report

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>>52089303
Yeah I really like it. 120 attack, good set of abilities (strongest stakeout user though that's more of a singles thing), decent movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:27:15 No.52089336 Report

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>>52084090
I lost to casseopia because i didn't have anything effective against fire her last mon wiped my team kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:27:46 No.52089339 Report

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>>52084090
I notice they throw a LOT of dual-types at you in the gyms which really throws off any strats I thought I had

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:29:08 No.52089358 Report

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Streaming scarlet if anyone wants to watch https://pomf.tv/stream/Kannalo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:29:25 No.52089361 Report

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i feel the star bosses in general are the hardest content in the game and it's retarded you can't rematch them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:31:31 No.52089380 Report

Quoted By:

>>52089326
Makes sense considering you only get it late game and there's only like 10 battles in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:42:17 No.52089472 Report

Quoted By:

>>52085402
>Scaling them means you didn't have that initial hurdle in the first place so that's not an argument.
What the fucking fuck do you mean? It's obviously an argument for the importance of scaling in a "you choose :)" type setup you fucking dingus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:48:20 No.52089508 Report

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>>52084206
Kek i remember being challenged to a sky battle (such a dumb concept) and rolling my eyes, ready to press A and beat another fletchinder or some normal/flying shitmon… then the fucker sends out emolga lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 11:59:39 No.52089597 Report

Quoted By: >>52089675

>>52088838
Except for him kind of being Cynthia but stronger, isn't it also because he is a powerspike compared to the rest of the game? Seen some playthroughs where they lost to Volo a few times, then they changed and strengthened their team and won.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:05:59 No.52089659 Report

Quoted By: >>52089826 >>52091226

>>52084253
"Open world design" at its finest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:08:09 No.52089675 Report

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>>52089597
it's because he has a 6 part team and then 2 giratinas back to back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:21:42 No.52089768 Report

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>I died for the first time 75% into a game
>it's challenging!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:27:25 No.52089826 Report

Quoted By:

>>52089659
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:45:20 No.52090037 Report

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>>52088777
How tf did you get shiny Hisuian Zorua?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:51:06 No.52090106 Report

Quoted By: >>52090146 >>52090476

>players asks for years for a non-linear pokemon game
>gf delivers it
>shit I can actually be overleveled/underleveled
>GUYS WHATS THE BEST ROUTE

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:54:19 No.52090146 Report

Quoted By: >>52090160

>>52090106
this is the route I took
the early/mid game was fun because trainers/gyms were consistently 5+ levels above me and I thought that the game had scaling since i was consistent
Then I went east and suddenly everything was level 13 vs my level 38-40 pokemon

Also linearity is completely fine, linear paths with absolutely no exploration, optional content or reason to return is bad

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 12:55:26 No.52090160 Report

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>>52090146
wrong picture

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:21:40 No.52090476 Report

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>>52090106
>nonlinear
>the content is clearly intended to be linear
what did he mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:25:56 No.52090518 Report

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>>52085902
> Gym leaders should have different teams to scale to your party/progress
> They just need to make a different shitmon team and speedrun this game in under an hour

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:28:29 No.52090557 Report

Quoted By:

>>52084164
>>52084178
>>52084227
Vyglass is even more challenging. Arrest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:32:21 No.52090607 Report

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>>52085902
Yeah it’s remarkable how tragically dumb these people are. Like the game is explicitly designed to encourage training a wide variety of Pokemon. It’s simply much more fun to do this, too. That you can win easily by just training one Pokemon just shows that winning isn’t the intended goal. The intended goal is to enjoy oneself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:35:47 No.52090643 Report

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>>52086222
>You can beat every pokemon game at level 1
It's possible if you do F.E.A.R strategy. But they usually gatekeep you from focus sash or you don't have the right pokemon to do it in that region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:38:17 No.52090676 Report

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>>52085902
The thing is that gym leaders having multiple different teams is canon to the entire series as proven by the fact that they have full teams of high level pokemon after you beat the elite 4, so them having teams that scale to your amount of badges would be a neat throwback to that point. Needing to abandon your starter constantly, i.e. the one dude who's supposed to be with you for your entire journey just for the sake of going full N and only using things you find around a gym is a silly way to try fixing GameFreak's lack of ability to explore their own potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:41:37 No.52090713 Report

Quoted By: >>52090760

>>52084553
wow bro you have to attempt the fight a second time this is SO hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:44:49 No.52090760 Report

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>>52090713
They're pokemon fans they think that getting caught off guard by one fight is peak difficulty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:46:12 No.52090779 Report

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>>52085902
>the game isnt easy, every time you become overlevelled just start all over again with grinding
you dont have to do this, masuda doesnt post here you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:46:45 No.52090787 Report

Quoted By: >>52090880 >>52091071

>>52084090
>7 years
>tfw this goes to around XY, maybe SM
y-yeah pokemon was so difficult then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 13:56:19 No.52090880 Report

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>>52090787
You're talking to people who played XY when they were 6 years old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 14:11:43 No.52091071 Report

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>>52090787
OP here and I'm surprised this thread is still alive lol. I just said a random number, XY being 7 years ago actually makes me want to kill myself because that feels like 4 years ago to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 14:23:18 No.52091226 Report

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>>52089659
>open world design at its finest
>posts an example that removes the open world element from the game
???
If it's open world, then there is hardly any "order" to begin with. BOTW did the same shit with the divine beasts.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Nov 2022 14:29:29 No.52091308 Report

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>>52084090
When the Team Star boss brought out a motherfucking hot rod car as their Pokemon I started audably laughing my ass off. That shit was great for all the right reasons. I'm glad they stopped taking the villain teams seriously.

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