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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 17:38:20 No.52137265 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52137370 >>52137407 >>52137735 >>52139746 >>52141210 >>52142939 >>52144045 >>52144130

Magikarp and Gyarados were planned to have convergent species instead of Tentacool and Tenacruel.

https://pastebin.com/0eYiYn6L

>1006: OKAKINGU
>1007: OKAGYARADOSU

The codenames for Toedscool and Toedscruel are still are still "King" (Magikarp's Japanese name is Koiking) and "Gyarados". I'm glad the Tentacool line got some love, but it would've been cool to see a line mimicking Magikarp and Gyarados too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 17:44:31 No.52137370 Report

Quoted By: >>52141253 >>52143102

>>52137265

they intentionally picked the most simple designs to do covergent evos, I cannot imagine them doing gyarados

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 17:46:31 No.52137407 Report

Quoted By: >>52137473

>>52137265
What are AKETUBAN and BKETUBAN? I guess it's the paradox Suicune / Virizion, but in that case, what are AAAAA and BBBBB?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 17:48:10 No.52137433 Report

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If they had them in the works it's entirely plausible they're going to be DLC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 17:50:07 No.52137473 Report

Quoted By: >>52139746

>>52137407
AAAA is Roaring Moon
BBBB is Iron Valiant

They made the codenames when they decided they wanted a pair of Paradoxes with a higher BST than the rest and didn't know which mons they'd base them on yet.

And yes, AKETUBAN and BKETUBAN are placeholders for the Suicune and Virizion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:03:51 No.52137735 Report

Quoted By: >>52137794 >>52137806 >>52137900 >>52138487 >>52138537 >>52144045

>>52137265
I can see why they changed it though because I can't really see how they would make a "Magikarp" that looks just like Magikarp but lives on land and isn't a fish

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:06:36 No.52137794 Report

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>>52137735
It could easily work for Gyarados though, but yeah, that's probably why they changed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:07:13 No.52137806 Report

Quoted By: >>52137850

>>52137735
Probably would have been amphibians.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:09:35 No.52137850 Report

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>>52137806
Like, a giant Gyarados caecilian? That would be great, but again I don't think that could really fit a "Magikarp" without looking too much like a stretch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:12:17 No.52137900 Report

Quoted By: >>52138392

>>52137735
you could lean in on the flying type for gyara and have the magikarp form be some type of floating magic fish

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:38:14 No.52138392 Report

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>>52137900
but it wouldn't be a fish though, that's the whole point of these convergent mons

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:43:24 No.52138487 Report

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>>52137735
>Fairy type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:45:47 No.52138537 Report

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>>52137735
Fat snake for magikarp
Long, angy snake for gyarados

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 18:48:15 No.52138599 Report

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tell game freak not to fuck with perfection

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 19:55:48 No.52139746 Report

Quoted By: >>52142939

>>52137265
Makes sense given how late they're placed in the index numbers. The names for everything else up until the Paradoxes are what the final Pokémon are based on. Before anyone asks, the names are just "Land (Koi)king" and "Land Gyarados" in contrast with "Sea Digda" and "Sea (Dug)trio". Oka is also seen in Cetoddle's line, referred to as "Land Whale".
It was most likely replaced by Tentacool due to Orthworm despite this being the same generation that gave us 3 different dog lines and Pawmo. Cheated out of sandworm Gyarados once again.

On a side note, interestingly, Cyclizar is referred to as "Bike" while its Paradoxes are "A Iguana" and "B Iguana".
>>52137473
AAAA is a fitting name for Roaring Moon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 20:00:55 No.52139848 Report

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Land Gyarados

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 21:09:39 No.52141017 Report

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>>52139848
Land Gyarados

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 21:20:27 No.52141210 Report

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>>52137265
WE WERE ROBBED

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 21:22:35 No.52141253 Report

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>>52137370
I could see a lava fish/dragon, but I feel like that's low hanging fruit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:03:04 No.52142939 Report

Quoted By: >>52143076

>>52137265
>>52139746
Another interesting note: Iron Bundle's codename is BKOORI rather than BDERIBAADO, implying that it was placeholder for Ice-type Future Paradox before deciding on Delibird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:05:47 No.52142993 Report

Quoted By: >>52143014

Is it "oka" like "okashii"? Maybe it was Ghost into Ghost/Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:06:53 No.52143014 Report

Quoted By: >>52143032

>>52142993
Oka = land

0947: OKAKUZIRA1
0948: OKAKUZIRA2

That's Cetoddle and Cetitan. Oka = Land, kuzira = whale.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:07:58 No.52143032 Report

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>>52143014
Aww darn. Thanks though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:08:56 No.52143055 Report

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they prolly nixed it because of orthworm

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:09:56 No.52143076 Report

Quoted By: >>52144092

>>52142939
*implying that it was a placeholder for an Ice-type Future Paradox
Basically, any Ice-type was up for grabs into becoming a robot. We could've had something like TV-head Eiscue or another Iron Valliant with Glalie and Froslass if it didn't end up being Delibird. Alternatively, it could've just been any Pokémon with Ice replacing another type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:11:16 No.52143102 Report

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>>52137370
I wouldn't say the tentas are simple

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:14:14 No.52143178 Report

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>/vp/'s ideas of convergent magi-gyara is still fish
You'd think after the mole -> eel and jellyfish -> mushroom the people here would know better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:15:58 No.52143214 Report

Quoted By: >>52143469 >>52143996

Maybe it was scrapped because there's Tatsugiri, who kinda looks like it could walk on land with its fins; Cetitan, who is a land-dwelling sea creature; Clodsire, who is kind of a landfish in its own way; and Chi-Yu, who is a fish out of water as well. I imagine it was down to rfake Gyara and rfake Tentacruel as the water-now-land rfake to complement Diglett's land-now-water design. Toedscruel being something besides a fish and already having a mushroom-like shape probably put it over the edge compared to what they'd have to do for Gyarados, which might have ended up too close to Orthworm anyway. Maybe Orthworm was even a redesign of what they had come up with for Gyarados.

Source: my big ass.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:27:56 No.52143469 Report

Quoted By: >>52143550

>>52143214
Complainers would also bring up that both RFakes are just "long boys", leading to yet another "new form concept is just take Pokémon and make them long lol".

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:32:26 No.52143550 Report

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>>52143469
That's true, good point. If one had been an eel and the other a worm they might have felt that was too repetitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:33:47 No.52143579 Report

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Imagine MEGAKARP and Gyarauno

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:56:01 No.52143996 Report

Quoted By: >>52144062

>>52143214

Anon we have 3 dogs in this gen and a shitton of my mom's birds

Having another landbased aquatic animal wouldnt be too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:57:24 No.52144026 Report

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>no ground type sand worm gyarados
ROBBED

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:58:53 No.52144045 Report

Quoted By: >>52144117

>>52137265
>>52137735
I guess I also want to say that perhaps they didn't want it to feel too similar to Wiglett, who is also a convergent mon that is long and snakey

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2022 23:59:38 No.52144062 Report

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>>52143996
Yeah. The other anon who responded to me probably had the right idea. Wugtrio + another longmon might have been too much for the only two rfakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 00:01:35 No.52144092 Report

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>>52143076
>TV-head Eiscue
this is based

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 00:02:53 No.52144117 Report

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>>52144045
I guess on that note I wonder if Orthworm also had anything to do with it...

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 00:03:06 No.52144130 Report

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>>52137265
>cock blocked by orthworm

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