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The death of dungeons

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 09:46:09 No.52151757 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52151906

Why have dungeons been all but removed from Pokemon? No, not caves with Pokemon in them, I'm talking about proper dungeons - long dungeons with trainers, puzzles, hidden items and Pokemon, etc.

Random encounters, the most commonly cited flaw of dungeons, have been removed since SwSh, so why not bring back proper dungeons?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 09:57:00 No.52151850 Report

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Look at the difference between Kanto and Galar.
>Kanto has Viridian Forest, Mt. Moon, the S.S. Anne, Diglett Cave, Rock Tunnel, the power plant, Pokemon Tower, the rocket hideout, Silph Co., the Pokemon mansion, Seafoam Islands, Victory Road, and Cerulean Cave, most of which have multiple floors and half of which have some sort of (simple) puzzle
>Galar has Galar Mine no. 1, Galar Mine no. 2, Slumbering Weald, and Glimwood Tangle, all of which are hallways with a few trainers
What happened? I'm not trying to be a KANTOOOfag, it's more that RBY are the first games in the series, but they have a lot of dungeons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:03:47 No.52151888 Report

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Too hard. Why would people bother when they can play games on their phone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:05:31 No.52151904 Report

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You know what even if they are kinda fewer SV has done a good job with dungeons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:06:13 No.52151906 Report

Quoted By: >>52151913 >>52151937

>>52151757
Kids today are too busy playing on their phones to bother with dungeons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:08:05 No.52151913 Report

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>>52151906
Masuda-San please go back to TPCIs sex dungeons where you belong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:08:37 No.52151918 Report

Quoted By: >>52151941

Because they weren't fun, next question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:11:05 No.52151937 Report

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>>52151906
This, kids don't stick with a game if they get stuck since it's so easy to download some new game on your phone/tablet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:11:19 No.52151941 Report

Quoted By: >>52152042

>>52151918
But I had fun, and my opinion is more important than yours.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:17:20 No.52151991 Report

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I'm convinced that they aren't comfortable making complex levels in 3D after years of doing tile-based maps. Every game since SM has had organic geography with simple navigation, even the crazy Ultra Space worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:18:32 No.52151999 Report

Quoted By: >>52152038 >>52152040 >>52152118

There isn’t a single good dungeon in the entire series.
That’s commonplace though. There isn’t a single good dungeon in ANY RPG. They’re meant to be stopgaps and padding before story events.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:20:34 No.52152014 Report

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Shield has the best Gym challenges though. If those sort of events translated to dungeons in the game, then maybe dungeons wouldn’t be so bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:24:21 No.52152038 Report

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>>52151999
Dogshit take. Literally play a real shin megami tensei game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:24:36 No.52152040 Report

Quoted By: >>52152091

>>52151999
Dungeons are endurance and resource management tests.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:24:36 No.52152042 Report

Quoted By: >>52152377

>>52151941
You had fun in Victory Road?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:26:24 No.52152062 Report

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>>52152038
They’re awful there too. Look at Persona 3, Strange Journey, SMTV. It’s autistic to run around floors, battling nonstop and looking for loot.
Only game that does dungeons good is Zelda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:28:40 No.52152091 Report

Quoted By: >>52152239

>>52152040
Resource management in RPGs sucks too. When’s the last time you used an X Attack? Or the last time a Super Potion didn’t cheapen a fight?

Instead of testing skills in the moment and building around that, difficulty can be built around time investment (money = more potions).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:31:23 No.52152118 Report

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>>52151999
A truly embarrassing opinion, especially if you're including action rpgs in "ANY RPG".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:33:19 No.52152131 Report

Quoted By: >>52152140 >>52152164

the only fucking dungeon any video game has ever done correctly is WoW, and that's not that great to begin with. Why the FUCK would you let gamefreak make any kind of dungeon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:34:31 No.52152140 Report

Quoted By: >>52152195 >>52152312

>>52152131
>the only fucking dungeon any video game has ever done correctly is WoW
Holy shit anon, you really need to play more RPGs if you seriously believe this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:38:05 No.52152164 Report

Quoted By: >>52152195

>>52152131
Every Zelda game made up until BotW broke the "formula" has better dungeons than WoW. WoWs dungeons were more like "we need to click a button and wait for a cooldown period to unlock a door to fight enemies". They were entirely predictable, linear experiences you were meant to run through as a massive raid group for XP and loot. They were basically just corridoors with waves of enemies coming at you. The shit takes on this board I swear...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:41:28 No.52152195 Report

Quoted By: >>52152215

>>52152164
those are levels, not dungeons. dungeons aren't necessary and are plagued/owned by monsters with grand treasure.

you literally go into a "dungeon" in zelda but it's not a video game dungeon. i can give you a few though, since there are places like that without it being necessary.

>>52152140
please give me examples. don't tell me you're the persona 5 faggot. the dungeon is not fun, the fighting is fun. NOT the dungeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:44:02 No.52152215 Report

Quoted By: >>52152248

>>52152195
>you literally go into a "dungeon" in zelda but it's not a video game dungeon. i can give you a few though, since there are places like that without it being necessary.
I know what you're trying to say, but its a contrived definition imo. Zeldas been doing this since 1986 and we've always called them dungeons. If anything, the optional caves/corridoors of other games aren't actually true dungeons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:47:34 No.52152239 Report

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>>52152091
You've interpreted resources to mean only items for some reason, but more typically the health of all your pokemon and the pp of their moves are the resources you expend in getting through dungeons.
It's a pretty weak aspect of Pokemon though, since you can just use repels or run or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:48:53 No.52152248 Report

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>>52152215
I think the closest thing to a dungeon in pokemon would be like those random ships you find in RBE or some random haunted house you go through in a couple of the games. I guess those are okay? i'm okay with more of those, interesting areas that might have a cool rare pokemon around the end of it, or a nice TM and some rare candies sprinkled in. had to think about it a bit more.

the shitty caves though were never fun though. i always understood what the victory road was meant to be and could appreciate it, but they just weren't fun and were sometimes a slog. i just don't trust gamefreak doing anything anymore im so paranoid they'd fuck up anything good.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:54:09 No.52152289 Report

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The one time a dungeon was actually done well gameplay-wise in Pokemon was Black/White Victory Road. Those Durant did NOT fuck around. If you didn't have a blazingly fast monster at the top of your party list, you were not guaranteed to get away, and the scaling exp gains meant that unless you were pouring literally everything into one mon you probably weren't outleveling them either to neutralise the threat with Repel. Getting hit by Hustle-boosted Iron Head/Crunch/Bug Bite was no joke even with type resists. And the dungeon itself was lengthy enough that you really felt every blow from those bad RNG rolls chipping away at your Revives and Potions.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 10:56:30 No.52152312 Report

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>>52152140
It's true. Go watch the Burning Crusade dungeons.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 11:04:51 No.52152372 Report

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Sun & Moon had the best framework for dungeons because of Riding Pokemon. However nothing is really used well.

Pokemon could do dungeons very well, with multiple floors, bosses and puzzles but as it stands, the turn-based battles drag the momentum down too much and put a damper on what you can do.

Could also work well if they took Arceus mechanics and made Pokemon when you release them from the ball to use specific move. That way you could capture a Geodude in a dungeon and use it as a weight. Could lead to multiple Pokemon being out and using skills simultaneously to solve puzzles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 11:05:52 No.52152377 Report

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>>52152042
Absolutely

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 13:15:10 No.52153385 Report

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Yeah. You can't have an open world and also have route design. Hence my preference for linearity rather than open nothingness.

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