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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:00:15 No.52164379 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52164415 >>52164441 >>52165113 >>52167664 >>52168182 >>52168677

ALL GEN 9 MOVESET (2 links for 2 halves of the dex, Updated to the 1.0.1. Patch) :
https://pastebin.com/VbP2Md04
https://pastebin.com/pghsfRYm

Move list:
Flinch rate, stat changes, recoil and heal info added
https://pastebin.com/vvi0wcFZ

Ability list:
https://pastebin.com/B6USap12

Egg groups:
https://pastebin.com/ENYtUbNW

Rillaboom is dead. Say something nice about him

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:01:47 No.52164415 Report

Quoted By: >>52165231

>>52164379
I am glad you're dead, you stall-enabling bastard son of a Furfrou.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:02:16 No.52164424 Report

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Does toxic debris activate when spiky shield is used?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:02:56 No.52164436 Report

Quoted By: >>52164457 >>52164468 >>52164598 >>52164761 >>52165062 >>52165100 >>52165167 >>52165197 >>52165206 >>52165420 >>52166180 >>52167982

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:03:09 No.52164441 Report

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>>52164379
I nicknamed mine Niggorilla.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:03:55 No.52164457 Report

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>>52164436
SV Meta finally sounds playable. Defensive teams can go to hell, give me hyper offense only metas any time of the day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:04:35 No.52164468 Report

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>>52164436
>defensive teams are nonexistent
This will mostly be true but little kids are gonna get angry after they play like shit and still lose to Corviknight and Umbreon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:05:22 No.52164488 Report

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Hisuian Samurott. The toolkit is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical metagames most of the strategies will go over a typical Smogondrone's head. There's also Samurott's nihilistic ability, which is deftly woven into his base 108 attack - his personal strategy draws heavily from Arcanine-Jolteon cores, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of Ceaseless Edge, to realise that it's not just strong - it says something deep about OU. As a consequence people who dislike Hisuian Samurott truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in off-meta options like "Sharpness Boosted Air Slash," which itself is a cryptic reference to Generation 3's standard Aerial Ace Dugtrio. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as H-Samurott's perilous pebbles unfold themselves on their Roaring Moons. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Hisuian Samurott tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only - and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 BST of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:07:09 No.52164523 Report

Quoted By: >>52164563 >>52164609 >>52164666

>Scizor gained CC
>lost Knock Off and Roost
Was it worth it?
Also, what is the best moveset now?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:07:53 No.52164544 Report

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*mindbreaks retards*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:07:58 No.52164547 Report

Quoted By: >>52164710

I miss it already

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:08:47 No.52164563 Report

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>>52164523
No. Best moveset is bullet punch/filler/filler/filler with whatever spread is necessary to defend against and hit the threat of the week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:10:18 No.52164598 Report

Quoted By: >>52164652

>>52164436
Don't kid yourself nigger, SS high tiers are all 4 stallmons + a support mon + a wincon, "bulky offense" is as much of a meme as pretending Dugtrio didn't enable stallfaggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:10:58 No.52164609 Report

Quoted By: >>52164763

>>52164523
Scizor @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Aerial Ace

Scizor @ Assault Vest
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Water (or another type that resists Fire)
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- Tera Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:13:07 No.52164652 Report

Quoted By: >>52166112

>>52164598
Celesteela offense was pretty popular over the past couple of months.

Celesteela @ Power Herb
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Meteor Beam
- Autotomize
- Air Slash
- Flamethrower

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:14:03 No.52164666 Report

Quoted By: >>52164951

>>52164523
Damn this dude got gutted.
Scizor @ Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- U-turn / X-Scissor / Struggle Bug

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- U-turn
- X-Scissor / Struggle Bug / Arial Ace / Quick Attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:16:10 No.52164710 Report

Quoted By: >>52164746 >>52166074 >>52167796

>>52164547
Wtf are these gay edgy names? References or what? Give me the funny names faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:18:20 No.52164746 Report

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>>52164710
They're all Touhou song names.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:19:24 No.52164761 Report

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>>52164436
And what's wrong with SV meta exactly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:19:31 No.52164763 Report

Quoted By: >>52164815

>>52164609
>Close Combat
>On an AV set

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:22:29 No.52164815 Report

Quoted By: >>52164936

>>52164763
You tank the hit and then Close Combat and Bullet Punch if you need to clean up next turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:28:56 No.52164920 Report

Quoted By: >>52164973 >>52165012

Out of curiosity, what moveset would be decent for a Tinkaton? Tank?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:30:05 No.52164936 Report

Quoted By: >>52164974 >>52164978 >>52164989

>>52164815
>You tank the hit
>Scizor's Defense fell!
>Scizor's Sp.Defense fell!
>The opposing [SWEEPER] used [NEUTRAL COVERAGE MOVE]!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:30:45 No.52164951 Report

Quoted By: >>52165012

>>52164666
>struggle bug
is he getting literally anything out of that??

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:30:50 No.52164953 Report

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So is dudunsparce gonna want to run serene grace still or is there reason to use rattled now with all the ghost and dark types running around?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:31:57 No.52164973 Report

Quoted By: >>52165009

>>52164920
Twave/Knock Off/Hammer/filler

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:32:07 No.52164974 Report

Quoted By: >>52165095

>>52164936
Yes, and? If you can't clean with Close Combat into Bullet Punch, your Scizor shouldn't be in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:32:16 No.52164978 Report

Quoted By: >>52165095

>>52164936
>sweeper moving after scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:32:58 No.52164989 Report

Quoted By: >>52165044 >>52165095

>>52164936
You go second then give them the taco bell next turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:34:03 No.52165009 Report

Quoted By: >>52165089

>>52164973
What about nature and ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:34:20 No.52165012 Report

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>>52164920
Tinkaton @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Gigaton Hammer
- Knock Off
- Protect / Thunder Wave / Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance / Thunder Wave / Stealth Rock
Could move some evs around for bulk/speed.
>>52164951
I just noticed it was special, ignore it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:36:47 No.52165044 Report

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>>52164989
Taco Bellet Punch? Does it inflict Poison 20% of the time?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:37:45 No.52165059 Report

Quoted By: >>52165090 >>52165106 >>52165113

Will Roaring Moon with loaded dice scale shot be good or a meme?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:38:14 No.52165062 Report

Quoted By: >>52165122

>>52164436
the right side of the photo has Lando-t and which other mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:40:11 No.52165089 Report

Quoted By:

>>52165009
mold breaker though own tempo could be useful in even more niche situations

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:40:21 No.52165090 Report

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>>52165059
it might just use use scale shot as its main stab like garchomp does

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:40:34 No.52165095 Report

Quoted By: >>52165130 >>52165131

>>52164974
>>52164978
>>52164989
It's a slow bulky mixed attacker with Ember coverage. What now, Scizorkeks?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:40:54 No.52165100 Report

Quoted By: >>52165140 >>52171001

>>52164436
>fair use of offensive and defensive teams
>142+ turns Toxapex
>stall team rare but not impossibly so
>as long as they only define FunBro and Snips as stall, which they banned both of them
>decent counterplay to offensive pokémon
>no counterplay to defensive pokémon, and if there is, the check/counter in question gets banned by council vote
>good meta
>so good that banned Dynamax and Zacian

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:41:07 No.52165106 Report

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>>52165059
why not both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:41:33 No.52165113 Report

Quoted By: >>52165138 >>52165289

>>52165059
both.
good because it's Roaring Moon
meme because it's loaded dice
'simple as
>>52164379
What do you mean dead? It's in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:42:12 No.52165122 Report

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>>52165062
Sprigatito's final evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:42:35 No.52165130 Report

Quoted By: >>52165701

>>52165095
If your opp really gives you the tera-fire hamurott you kneel and go to one of your other five

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:42:38 No.52165131 Report

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>>52165095
u turn out, since it outspeeds

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:43:24 No.52165138 Report

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>>52165113
>What do you mean dead?
Lost grassy glide and a bunch of other moves, way weaker now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:43:35 No.52165140 Report

Quoted By: >>52165164 >>52165321

>>52165100
I don't like Smogon's OU format but to be fair, Dynamax is not workable in singles at all outside of randbats

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:45:02 No.52165164 Report

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>>52165140
But I had so much fun with dyna togekiss...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:45:08 No.52165167 Report

Quoted By: >>52165204

>>52164436
stallfags fear the offensive meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:45:29 No.52165172 Report

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Does the box legends keep their boosts even if sun/electric terrain changes?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:46:45 No.52165197 Report

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>>52164436
>incredibly offense oriented
>defensive teams and STALL are NONEXISTENT
>HAZRD STACK (which is ironically defensive) is the best type of team now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:47:14 No.52165204 Report

Quoted By: >>52165223 >>52165224 >>52171754 >>52171829 >>52171851

>>52165167
the gdarm and especially dracovish bans were so pathetic. can't wait until even more things get banned just because they kill toxapex

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:47:42 No.52165206 Report

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>>52164436
I'm so sick of the stupid meme that Gen 8 OU wasn't skewed towards defensive play. I wonder if you cucks are being willfully disingenuous or if you're truly ignorant to how your own made up jargon has shifted definitions over the years.
I'm tired of bulky offense teams being passed around as balance.
Or worse, balance teams being passed around as hyper offense just because they have more than one offensive threat.
I'm especially sick of stall being called dead when people are running "semi-stall" teams that are just stall with a Calm Mind user.
You people are so accustomed to defensive play that anything that isn't hard stall is just registered as balanced play.
Gen 9 is exactly the shake up Smogon OU needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:49:07 No.52165223 Report

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>>52165204
I'm the most offense-oriented faggot on earth, but both were fucking stupid mons and absolutely deserved a ban.
Cinderace's is definitely more debatable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:49:08 No.52165224 Report

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>>52165204
If they want to protect Toxapex why would they ban those and not Tapu Lele, the mon who always 1hit kos it without Light Screen up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:49:32 No.52165231 Report

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>>52164415
Fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:51:38 No.52165267 Report

Quoted By: >>52165312 >>52165396

Any Gholdengo and Kingambit idea?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:52:34 No.52165289 Report

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>>52165113
Rillaboom lost Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Superpower, and High Horsepower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:53:57 No.52165312 Report

Quoted By: >>52166849

>>52165267
Kingambit would just be Bisharp’s old Adamant, 252 attack, 252 speed set with Kowtow Cleave over Knock Off

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:54:23 No.52165321 Report

Quoted By: >>52165359

>>52165140
Dynamax isn't workable in randbats either.

t. got to 1800 in randbats

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:57:07 No.52165359 Report

Quoted By: >>52165405

>>52165321
I hit 2k at one point, it's not really "balanced" but there's decent enough counterplay
Top randbat GXE is higher than OU's btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:57:56 No.52165372 Report

Quoted By: >>52168630

WHY DID THE RUIN INDEEDEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:59:46 No.52165396 Report

Quoted By: >>52166849

>>52165267
Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good As Gold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Make It Rain
- Recover
- Nasty Plot
Not 100% on the EVs, Gholdengo wants some kind of bulk to help spinblock while putting the rest into SpA to nuke. Specs looks like a shitty Aegislash to me.

Kingambit) @ Life Orb
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Kowtow Cleave
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance
Kingambit is pretty straight forward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:00:28 No.52165405 Report

Quoted By: >>52165522 >>52169904

>>52165359
There's no counterplay to Pokemon like G-Moltres, Kommo-o, or certain Necrozma-DM, Metagross, and Solgaleo sets. You either have the small handful of checks they have, which isn't guaranteed and you can lose them earlier in the match not expecting the game ender, and you can't even muscle through them because they get big.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:01:29 No.52165420 Report

Quoted By:

>>52164436
TPBP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:07:49 No.52165522 Report

Quoted By: >>52165639

>>52165405
The best approach is to just apply pressure early
Sometimes you just get owned midgame by something you can't stop but gen 7- randbats had the same deal
I don't mind occasional losses on matchup if the median game is 25 turns instead of 75

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:09:14 No.52165550 Report

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(to be clear dynamax is not a "good" mechanic and I am not sad to see it replaced)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:14:10 No.52165639 Report

Quoted By: >>52165759 >>52169928

>>52165522
Gen 6 and 7 randbats were much more even. Dynamax is absolutely busted on some Pokemon where you just don't have counterplay. So many birds are terrifying sweepers because of Dynamax. It's genuinely frustrating to just lose a match because you cannot power through their Dynamax.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:18:44 No.52165701 Report

Quoted By: >>52165844

>>52165130
>opp
RIDING ROUND ON KORAIDON
IF I SEE RAIN OPPS THEN IT'S OVER
I'LL SEND KILO STRAIGHT TO THE GRAVEYARD
WHEN I TAKE SHOTS WITH MY DRAGON DANCE ROARING MOON
DOING UP PELIPPER
CALL ME SALA I'M A MENACE
DOING UP KELPSY BERRIES IN VENICE
BIG MAN TING I'M BIGGER THAN LEON
STOP IT!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:22:27 No.52165759 Report

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>>52165639
if a bird gets the jump on you just dmax a wall and ride it out, if it got a +2 beforehand that's probably your own fault
if you still can't do anything i'm ok with the ladder maxing out at 90 gxe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:25:50 No.52165812 Report

Quoted By: >>52165875 >>52165885

do you guys think there's gonna be space for any hazards in VGC this time around (what with the new "automatic" options), or are people going to be running tidy up maushold all the time solely because it's dragon dance and not leave any opportunities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:27:15 No.52165829 Report

Quoted By: >>52167838

Just starting, how good are the starters?
I think that I'll choose the Gato but heard that protean got nerfed hard. What happened?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:27:36 No.52165836 Report

Quoted By: >>52165874 >>52169570 >>52170542 >>52170803 >>52170919

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:28:27 No.52165844 Report

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>>52165701
OTHERWISE UNOWN C MIGHT BASH MANS HEAD STRAIGHT DOWN LIKE A WIGGLETT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:30:33 No.52165874 Report

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>>52165836
I don't even know where to start here, would probably take less time to just for the game to come out

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:30:36 No.52165875 Report

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>>52165812
maushold gets 20% usage max
hazards: probably no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:31:50 No.52165885 Report

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>>52165812
people just don't switch enough in VGC for hazards to be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:35:47 No.52165935 Report

Quoted By: >>52165952 >>52165965 >>52166013 >>52166032 >>52166057

What happened to Rillaboom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:37:26 No.52165952 Report

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>>52165935
All its good moves went bye bye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:38:37 No.52165965 Report

Quoted By: >>52166075

>>52165935
Greninja at least had a few years to shine, Rillaboom was a pump and dump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:41:26 No.52166013 Report

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>>52165935
Lost Superpower, High Horsepower and Grassy Glide

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:43:06 No.52166032 Report

Quoted By: >>52166054 >>52166169

>>52165935
>Lost Grassy Glide
>Lost High Horsepower so it only has Earthquake
>Lost Superpower
>Lost Knock Off
It's basically a worse Tapu Bulu now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:44:49 No.52166049 Report

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Would endure salac ape be a shitty meme in VGC? Does it need to use rage fist first before it gets powered up or is it just stronger as it gets hit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:45:40 No.52166054 Report

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>>52166032
>worse tapu bulu
how the turntables

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:46:03 No.52166057 Report

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>>52165935
Tapu Bulu fucked him the ass and took back his place.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:47:59 No.52166074 Report

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>>52164710
>He lacks critical information

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:48:00 No.52166075 Report

Quoted By: >>52166143

>>52165965
Greninja got BUFFED going into Gen 7. New moves, Z-moves, Ash-Greninja...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:51:36 No.52166112 Report

Quoted By: >>52166132

>>52164652
>Meteor Beam
Give it to me straight bros, did Meteor Beam make the cut somehow? It doesn't have the cursed "better forget it fucko" description but I can't find a mon that learns it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:53:45 No.52166132 Report

Quoted By: >>52166147

>>52166112
It's programmed in the game, but nothing gets it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:54:05 No.52166143 Report

Quoted By: >>52166249

>>52166075
And it all came
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:54:44 No.52166147 Report

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>>52166132
Cool can't wait to pay for it to come back in DLC

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:56:00 No.52166169 Report

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>>52166032
Rilla still has Knock Off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:56:29 No.52166176 Report

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I feel personally offended. Rillaboom is now worse, Zacian is now worse. The game even after patch runs like shit, tms are now retarded grindy stuff. Fuck Ohmori

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:56:38 No.52166180 Report

Quoted By: >>52166202 >>52166217

>>52164436
Are the Boots of Heathy Meta still a thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:57:50 No.52166202 Report

Quoted By: >>52166213

>>52166180
Yup. The cutie booties are in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:57:50 No.52166203 Report

Quoted By: >>52166282

Would Rilla still be a top tier VGCmon with a nerfed grassy glide? Seems like removing it was a bit far and got rid of it's only niche

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:58:47 No.52166213 Report

Quoted By: >>52166270

>>52166202
Then hazard stacking can't be the best strategy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:58:49 No.52166214 Report

Quoted By:

this good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:58:53 No.52166217 Report

Quoted By: >>52169520

>>52166180
Item clause :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:59:08 No.52166224 Report

Quoted By: >>52166235 >>52166245 >>52166255 >>52166297

Is there any point in playing national dex this gen?
>Natdex mons like Mega Scizor basically lost their entire Gen 8 sets
>Terastal probably coded incompatible with Z-Moves, otherwise breaks Z-Moves harder
>Ash-Gren snapped, shaped the tier
Only situation I see natdex interest is for sand teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:00:06 No.52166235 Report

Quoted By: >>52166289

>>52166224
Do you like the format or the meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:01:13 No.52166245 Report

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>>52166224
Nat Dex was always a meme.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:01:32 No.52166249 Report

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>>52166143
Sealed away and lost forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:01:45 No.52166255 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166224
NatDex will have all the moves dw abt it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:02:25 No.52166270 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166213
Boots might be the only way to deal with hazards since there are less than 20 fully evolved defoggers and rapid spinners in the game combined. Hazards are very hard to get rid of and spikes + toxic spikes got distributed to every other Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:03:17 No.52166279 Report

Quoted By: >>52166317 >>52166338 >>52166380

dragapult bros, where are we at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:03:25 No.52166282 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166203
It's dead in VGC, it'll still have a niche in Smogon UU. No Dynamax, no Grassy Glide. The monkey has left the building.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:03:40 No.52166289 Report

Quoted By: >>52166307

>>52166235
I vastly preferred Gen 7 natdex to OU, many of the problems in OU like Knock Off spam and centralization around Rillaboom, weren't problems in natdex due to the number of priority options and items resistant to KO.
Mega Lopunny's emergence never happened in any real meta, making Ash-Greninja a bit more balanced than Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:04:12 No.52166297 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166224
Natdex OU will just get even more ridiculous, to the point it will be nigh-indistinguishable from NDAG.
These stupid gimmicks were not designed for singles, and really REALLY not designed to be used all at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:04:41 No.52166307 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166289
>Gen 8 natdex

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:05:36 No.52166317 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166279
Dragapult is going to be the villain of early Gen 9 OU. Zeraora and Blissey are gone and it finally has good physical Ghost STAB thanks to Tera Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:06:29 No.52166328 Report

Quoted By:

But you know that mons in pokemon home still have their moves from swsh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:06:53 No.52166338 Report

Quoted By: >>52166411

>>52166279
>goto counter for the tricycle of healthy meta
feeling pretty good

>tera nomal
max copium

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:07:24 No.52166350 Report

Quoted By: >>52166716

I hate to admit it, but this might be one of the first games in a while I play on cart, the Battle Revolution thread gave me nostalgia and I kinda wanna see the Pokemon in motion more cleanly than something like on Showdown... plus Showdown constantly pits me against the top tier meta shit so there's a chance it'll have more varied picks on cart with all the kiddos running about

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:09:02 No.52166380 Report

Quoted By: >>52166408 >>52166466 >>52166522

>>52166279
Terra ghost/dragon specs pult is the sleeper monster threat of the gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:10:43 No.52166408 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166380
in what format?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:10:53 No.52166411 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166338
>tricycle of healthy meta
does that refer to clefable/ferrothorn/toxapex (or their non-dexcut equivalents)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:12:40 No.52166427 Report

Quoted By: >>52166440 >>52166443

tera fairy snorlax

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:13:45 No.52166440 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166427
>no slack off
lol.... lmao, even

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:14:20 No.52166443 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166427
Snorlax didn't wake up in time for gen 9

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:15:42 No.52166466 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166380
>Dragapult
>Specs
>120 Attack
>Physical Ghost Tera Blast
>Clear Body
nigga...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:19:31 No.52166522 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166380
choice band with tera ghost sounds even scarier

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:34:28 No.52166716 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166350
Battle timer is still 20 minutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:38:34 No.52166769 Report

Quoted By: >>52166798 >>52166819

Would Lilligant be better than H-Lilligant in Doubles?
Sure, H-Lilligant completely mogs in moveset but Lilligant's been always been mostly support here anyway and being Sp Atk makes her not care about Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:40:51 No.52166798 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166769
almost certainly yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:41:57 No.52166819 Report

Quoted By: >>52166837 >>52166863

>>52166769
Considering Ting-Lu will probably be fucking everywhere being a special attacker might not be an upside.
I do think Liligants old niche is still going to be better and basically exclusive to it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:43:12 No.52166837 Report

Quoted By: >>52166884 >>52167057

>>52166819
>Ting-Lu
Really? With what set? It doesn't seem that crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:44:29 No.52166849 Report

Quoted By: >>52166871 >>52166878 >>52166895

>>52165312
>>52165396
Why the hell would you invest in speed in a mon with 50 base speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:45:21 No.52166863 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166819
You just made me realize how cancerous Ting-Lu could be under TR.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:46:27 No.52166871 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166849
if you're running agility/rock polish/autotomize

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:46:43 No.52166878 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166849
Got to outspeed the 0 speed mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:47:28 No.52166884 Report

Quoted By: >>52166929

>>52166837
It doesn't do anything super impressive but its incredibly sticky and as long as its on the field all Special Attackers are getting their damage nerfed.
Its probably also spamming snarl, its just a good statline with decent moves and a pretty good ability.

Simply having it on team preview can be pretty threatening on account of the ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:48:30 No.52166895 Report

Quoted By: >>52167009

>>52166849
You don’t want to get outsped by Corviknight, a fair number of them are not min speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:50:46 No.52166929 Report

Quoted By: >>52166943

>>52166884
>Ting-Lu
>Spamming Snarl
>With that base 55 Sp Atk
Not seeing it.
You want to hit hard with that dude, not use it for support.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:51:29 No.52166943 Report

Quoted By: >>52166971

>>52166929
have you ever played VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:53:13 No.52166971 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166943
I do and 99% of the time whoever spams Snarl is a mon used primarily for support. Ting-Lu has barely anything else that can be used for that.
I can see it as a tech but nothing else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:55:49 No.52167009 Report

Quoted By: >>52167058 >>52167065

>>52166895
What the hell is a kingambit gonna do to a corv?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:58:15 No.52167036 Report

Quoted By: >>52167098

Tried asking in the previous thread and didn't get an answer.

>Raging Bull:
>The user performs a tackle like a raging bull. This move’s type depends on the user’s form. It can also break barriers, such as Light Screen and Reflect.
Is this move only Normal or Fighting, or it is Normal/Fighting/Fire/Water?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:59:42 No.52167057 Report

Quoted By: >>52167116

>>52166837
Not that anon, but the AV calcs are insane

> 252 SpA Choice Specs Blacephalon Overheat vs. 196 HP / 132+ SpD Assault Vest Ting-lu: 172-204 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

> 252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 196 HP / 132+ SpD Assault Vest Ting-lu: 129-153 (25.8 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

> 252 SpA Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 196 HP / 132+ SpD Assault Vest Ting-lu: 174-206 (34.8 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Special defense was multiplied by 1.3 to account for Vessel of Ruin. It can also go phys def with 155/125/80 defense plus spikes/rocks. It’s definitely gonna be a bulky threat, it counters a bunch of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:59:50 No.52167058 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167009
Kowtow cleave at +2 with rocks chip is going to heavily chunk one for your other teammates if it doesn’t kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:00:32 No.52167065 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167009
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 285-335 (71.2 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:01:40 No.52167081 Report

Quoted By: >>52167132 >>52167178

With how offensive everything seems to be this gen I'm starting to doubt TR will be able to shine on VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:03:15 No.52167098 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167036
it changes to fire/water type depending on the form i think
otherwise its just fighting

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:04:11 No.52167107 Report

Quoted By: >>52167115 >>52167117 >>52167149

>2nd generation in a row without Return

Fuckin neat. Gosh, I'm just so jazzed about the only worthwhile normal type attack being removed for 2 whole generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:04:59 No.52167115 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167107
Start getting used to it.
Pursuit being kill forever too for that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:05:02 No.52167116 Report

Quoted By: >>52167218

>>52167057
ok, but can it threaten back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:05:03 No.52167117 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167107
at least we have tera blast which is a respectable 80bp and gives us STAB for tera
ill take it over the fucking nothing we had in swsh

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:05:38 No.52167132 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167081
I dunno, we still have Mimikyu if worst comes to worst. You can definitely set trick room even if stuff like revival bug are just memes.
While a lot of agro stuff has been promoted, i really doubt it has blown out support mons that hard.

Sustainable mons with utility have been king for a good reason and its not like gamefreak hasn't pushed aggression previously; just can't see it truely falling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:05:41 No.52167133 Report

Quoted By: >>52167198 >>52167262

Man Wo Chien is fucking shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:07:04 No.52167149 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167107
>no return/frustration
>normal's gimmick of having more coverage than other types in general doesn't matter anymore thanks to tera type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:08:43 No.52167178 Report

Quoted By: >>52167183 >>52167254

>>52167081
that hybrid sun/tr with something like torkoal lilligant hatterene indeedee will be good I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:09:24 No.52167183 Report

Quoted By: >>52167242

>>52167178
>hatterene indeedee
why these two specifically?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:09:47 No.52167189 Report

Quoted By: >>52167208 >>52167216 >>52167869

I just heard about Palafin, wtf? Just slap a choice scarf on it, flip turn t1 and win, no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:10:29 No.52167198 Report

Quoted By: >>52167262

>>52167133
Wo-Chien @ Leftovers
Ability: Tablets of Ruin
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Protect / Mean Look / Stun Spore / Body Press
- Ruination
Staraptor has a new friend in BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:11:48 No.52167208 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167189
No retard. It's good, but it's far from broken. Just a really solid revenge killer in the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:12:30 No.52167216 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167189
And now you've let me set up aurora veil for free so I don't see the benefits

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:12:33 No.52167218 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167116
Has payback/EQ, OHKOs volcanion after spikes/SR and can two shot dragapult. It can force switches which lets it get off ruination, and recovery is limited so it will be more dangerous than nature’s madness ever was.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:12:37 No.52167220 Report

Quoted By: >>52172193

Does anybody know which website is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:14:15 No.52167242 Report

Quoted By: >>52167254

>>52167183
hatterene sets trick room
indeedee redirects and sets terrain
they can both work outside of tr
it's just an example, any other tr mons would work

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:15:13 No.52167254 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167178
>>52167242
>Hatterene
For me it is Farigiraf and Armorouge.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:15:36 No.52167262 Report

Quoted By: >>52167272 >>52167278 >>52167560

>>52167133
>>52167198
Y’all are talking shit about Wo Chien now but get ready to KNEEL when it gets an eventual incarnate form

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:16:22 No.52167272 Report

Quoted By: >>52167278

>>52167262
snail waifu inbound

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:17:13 No.52167278 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167272
>>52167262
>Envy snail waifu
Uuuuugh, my dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:42:23 No.52167560 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167262
if gf manages to make a grass/dark defensive mon broken i will kneel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:51:30 No.52167664 Report

Quoted By: >>52167686 >>52167696 >>52167708 >>52167761 >>52169145

>>52164379
How do people get comp level pokemon now that you get eggs randomly from picnics? Is it now streamlined or something or are we all just fucked even with a 6iv ditto

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:53:22 No.52167686 Report

Quoted By: >>52167907

>>52167664
injection

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:53:54 No.52167696 Report

Quoted By: >>52167907

>>52167664
bottle cap their IVs (20,000 pokeshekels each)
mint their nature (another 20,000 pokecoconuts each)
egg move transfer any moves you need (one mirror herb, not consumed)
ability patch if you need HA, capsule for other normal ability
you dont even need to breed outside of wanting a shiny
or the universal just fucking pkhex it bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:55:05 No.52167708 Report

Quoted By: >>52167907

>>52167664
literally just catch them in the wild and bottle cap them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:59:42 No.52167761 Report

Quoted By: >>52167907

>>52167664
there is no reason to breed unless you want 0 ivs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:02:15 No.52167787 Report

Quoted By:

Tera Type for Roaring Moon in VGC? I'm thinking Poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:02:55 No.52167796 Report

Quoted By:

>>52164710
They’re traditional Chinese dishes. Have a little culture

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:06:27 No.52167838 Report

Quoted By:

>>52165829
Protean now only changes once each tiem you send a mon out. Still gonna be strong, but not what it used to be. Will probably still keep the cat nice and relevant in OU.
Croc seems to have some potential in lower tiers either as a trick room moon or a bulky mon, since Torch Song allows it to keep powering itself up and it has Slack Off.
Quaquaval is hard to guess. Moxie is strong, and it has good Atk. Spd is a bit on the weak side, but the signature move it has gives it speed, which might carry it far.
All three starters seem pretty good, with the croc probably being the one who will be tiered the lowest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:09:47 No.52167869 Report

Quoted By: >>52169979

>>52167189
>Torkoal used Will-O-Wisp!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:11:03 No.52167884 Report

Quoted By: >>52167891 >>52167894

Does anyone know if Quark Drive still activates if the Pokemon is a flying type? Or does the Pokemon need to be grounded for it to activate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:12:20 No.52167891 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167884
i mean i'd assume they'd be smart enough to not cuck jugulis like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:12:31 No.52167894 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167884
that would be the funniest way to shit on Hydreigon once more, but no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:13:33 No.52167907 Report

Quoted By: >>52167945

>>52167686
wasnt the previous pokehome sweep to look for injected pokemons. i aint getting banned before i even get to try comp SERIOUSLY before getting curbstomped by some smogon nerd and then quitting
>>52167696
>>52167708
>>52167761
so literally every mon is comp viable as long as you inject them with pokeroids you purchase with some kinda currency? I guess thats pretty nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:17:09 No.52167945 Report

Quoted By: >>52167950 >>52168020

>>52167907
>so literally every mon is comp viable
No dumbass--in fact nevermind, why don't you bring your steroid' out Tinkaton team to a showdown match against me, I need the ELO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:18:05 No.52167950 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167945
thats not what he meant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:19:02 No.52167958 Report

Quoted By:

I hope they keep Scorching Sands' distribution for when it returns since it's already a nerfed Scald. Lando T will likely run Sandsear just to burn people now that it lost all other status.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:19:20 No.52167960 Report

Quoted By: >>52168461

What's the point of the pure Fighting-type Tauros when the other two versions have STAB?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:21:23 No.52167982 Report

Quoted By: >>52168074

>>52164436
>fair use of offensive and defensive teams
>incredibly offense oriented
Translation: AIEEEEEEEEE I can't spam Corviknight/Toxapex/Clefable/Slow Twins for 100+ turn matches anymore. New meta is le bad!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:22:35 No.52168001 Report

Quoted By: >>52168011 >>52168074 >>52168123

What is that one change Tinkaton needs, so that she can guarantee her place in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:23:12 No.52168011 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168001
huge power

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:23:49 No.52168020 Report

Quoted By: >>52168069

>>52167945
You fucking showdown retard, he meant every individual Mon can become competitive ready ingame easily. Kys yousefl

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:29:11 No.52168069 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168020
>Seething muppetfag
like clockwork

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:30:09 No.52168074 Report

Quoted By: >>52168117

>>52168001
A held item that doubles their attack.>>52167982

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:34:09 No.52168117 Report

Quoted By: >>52168137 >>52168201 >>52169655

>>52168074
Wouldn't that be bad because of the chance of getting knock offed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:34:45 No.52168123 Report

Quoted By: >>52168314 >>52168476

>>52168001
Unironically if it'd been given Stakeout it'd be OU.
It literally just needed an actual strong ability and it's typing and meme hammer would have carried it.

It'd be the ultimate revenge killer where it switches in on a Fairy weak mon and it naps a kill no matter what. Nothing wants a 320 Base Power Attack on a Switch In and Stakeout is a shit ability but Meme Hammer just hits that hard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:35:05 No.52168126 Report

Quoted By: >>52168170

Trick Room Croc:
Skeledirge @ Throat Spray
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk and 0 Spe
- Torch Song
- Shadow Ball
- Earth Power

Suggestions for last moveslot? Slack Off? Encore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:36:00 No.52168137 Report

Quoted By: >>52168173

>>52168117
that argument can be made against a whole lot of things

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:38:49 No.52168170 Report

Quoted By: >>52168480

>>52168126
Who's your trick room setter? Will O Wisp btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:39:07 No.52168173 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168137
I know, I meant would it still make it to OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:40:48 No.52168182 Report

Quoted By: >>52168190

>>52164379
What exactly happened to Rillaboom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:41:26 No.52168190 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168182
It lost Grassy Glide, High Horsepower and Superpower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:42:55 No.52168201 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168117
There aren’t many knock offers now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:48:10 No.52168266 Report

Quoted By:

Oh that's why my dumbass didn't like using Skeledirge too much during the main story. It's because he's the slowest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 05:53:37 No.52168314 Report

Quoted By: >>52168476

>>52168123
Stakeout isn't shit. The problem with it is that it's on shitty Pokemon, however the new dark dog is probably its best user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:09:20 No.52168461 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167960
uhhhh flavor lol!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:11:13 No.52168476 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168123
stakeout would be hilarious

>>52168314
if only the dog was dual type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:11:23 No.52168480 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168170
I haven't checked the available ones yet, just building movesets for mons I believe would have some sweep potential under TR. Is there an existing setter that would complement him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:17:21 No.52168539 Report

Quoted By:

Are power bands/weights etc still in the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:28:33 No.52168623 Report

Quoted By:

how long till SV hits showdown?technically the games are released in 4 and a half hours in new zealand

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:29:33 No.52168630 Report

Quoted By: >>52168643 >>52168673

>>52165372
>Ctrl F expanding force
>only 1 result
>not indeedee
WHY

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:31:02 No.52168643 Report

Quoted By: >>52168671

>>52168630
lost move tutors

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:34:09 No.52168671 Report

Quoted By: >>52168675 >>52168687

>>52168643
I hate this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:34:30 No.52168673 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168630
WHY DID THEY DO THEM SO DIRTY FUCK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:34:35 No.52168675 Report

Quoted By: >>52168684

>>52168671
honestly we'll probably get some move tutors in DLC like we did last time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:34:37 No.52168677 Report

Quoted By: >>52170963

>>52164379
>Rillaboom is dead. Say something nice about him
/vp/ is sleeping on him, he's still better than most of the new things they say are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:35:27 No.52168684 Report

Quoted By: >>52168731

>>52168675
A whole year of shit movesets, god I can't wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:36:06 No.52168687 Report

Quoted By: >>52168696

>>52168671
Uh oh big stupid faggot over here needs his scald and knock off. Stfu before i beat your ass bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:37:12 No.52168696 Report

Quoted By: >>52168716

>>52168687
I didnnt say shit about scald or knock off you assuming cretin

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:37:21 No.52168697 Report

Quoted By: >>52168709 >>52168829

Thoughts on Farigiraf in VGC? So far I have
>Trick Room
>Calm Mind
>Psychic
>Helping Hand
Not sure about items, EV spreads or anything else. Is this thing actually the real deal or am I coping?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:39:00 No.52168709 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168697
wish/calm mind passer i think will be the go to set on her

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:39:31 No.52168716 Report

Quoted By: >>52168752

>>52168696
*punches you in the ass* told you to stfu bro now i gotta clap them cheeks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:41:29 No.52168731 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168684
this but unironically

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:43:55 No.52168752 Report

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>>52168716
Hey, you get away from there

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 06:52:59 No.52168829 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168697
Farigiraf @ Mental Herb
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Helping Hand
- Trick Room
- Calm Mind
- Psychic

With this EV spread Roaring Moon can't OHKO you along with all of the Chinese legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:12:46 No.52169000 Report

Quoted By:

and then you achieve jack shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:25:46 No.52169113 Report

Quoted By: >>52169116

the revive move is gonna be banned in VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:26:06 No.52169116 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169113
lol no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:30:26 No.52169141 Report

Quoted By: >>52169150 >>52169271

What nature should I aim for with the electric bird? I had a speed + attack - nature, is that good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:30:46 No.52169145 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167664
just use pokhex like in every fucking other games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:31:21 No.52169150 Report

Quoted By: >>52169173

>>52169141
Yes that's probably what most will run on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:33:05 No.52169173 Report

Quoted By: >>52169182

>>52169150
I figured out the rest will just be rain memes, hurricane and electro ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:34:30 No.52169182 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169173
tailwind

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:43:59 No.52169255 Report

Quoted By: >>52169265 >>52169298

Is new quagsire any good? I wanted a good ground mon but he seems insanely slow and not that bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:44:56 No.52169265 Report

Quoted By: >>52169282

>>52169255
Compare it to the old Quag anon who is considered a bulky unit.
Yes he is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:46:19 No.52169271 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169141
+speed -attack
Weather ball, hurrican, tailwind, thunderbolt
water tera

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:47:38 No.52169282 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169265
Very nice, I'm still torn between using him or mudsdale. I love that horse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 07:49:41 No.52169298 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169255
>not that bulky
It's physically bulkier than Quagsire with equal investments. I'm not kidding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:01:28 No.52169380 Report

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One thing I can tell looking at the new mons is that a fast special attacking scarfer will be compulsory.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:04:58 No.52169410 Report

Quoted By: >>52169418 >>52169430 >>52169485

Why doesn't he have dedicated defenders like H-Samurott? Are all his fans heartbroken by the stat nerfs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:06:16 No.52169418 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169410
It's over for him. Down he goes to RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:08:34 No.52169430 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169410
Its fine in singles and probably too frail to do anything in doubles regardless of nerfs.

While "bad" they barely fucking did anything. It retains its major upsides and downsides.
Its not really that interesting when it comes down to it, it has a funny typing that is much more impressive with illusion and still is decently fast and hits well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:16:17 No.52169485 Report

Quoted By: >>52169503

>>52169410
what stat nerf?
from what i can see, it gets the same stats as zorark but with a better typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:16:19 No.52169488 Report

Quoted By: >>52169506

Tera Poison Hydreigon

How we looking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:18:47 No.52169503 Report

Quoted By: >>52169550

>>52169485
In PLA H-Zoroark had minmaxed stats like A-Ninetales.
>55/100/60/120/60/110

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:18:52 No.52169505 Report

Quoted By: >>52169670

Iron Fist and Punching Glove do not stack.
Which means the Punching Glove item literally gives Iron Fist to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:18:59 No.52169506 Report

Quoted By: >>52169529

>>52169488
Why would you run this over Roaring Moon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:19:02 No.52169507 Report

Quoted By: >>52169516 >>52169563

What would be a good tera for salamence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:20:02 No.52169516 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169507
Poison or flying sounds good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:20:58 No.52169520 Report

Quoted By:

>>52166217
>in smogon meta
Doesn't exist
>in VGC
Nobody uses boots
Cry more

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:22:20 No.52169529 Report

Quoted By: >>52169558

>>52169506
Because Hydreigon is cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:23:41 No.52169542 Report

Quoted By:

idk why people call Gen 9 Hyper Offense when Gen 6 OU is quite literally "Set up Screens and then explode"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:24:16 No.52169550 Report

Quoted By: >>52169577

>>52169503
welp, that 5 points in speed are going to make a huge difference in certain scenarios, but overall I guess it's still fine
isn't the BST lower than OG zoroark tho?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:24:59 No.52169555 Report

Quoted By: >>52169850

did any older mons get base stat changes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:25:05 No.52169556 Report

Quoted By: >>52169566 >>52169569 >>52169577

https://pokemon-project.com/dex/scarlet-violet/scream-tail

How is this thing supposed to be used?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:25:24 No.52169558 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169529
Can't argue with that. Can't wait to try the mecha version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:26:28 No.52169563 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169507
I'm running poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:26:52 No.52169566 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169556
Pink blobs always look like they are shit but it will find a way to be annoyingly good.
It has screens, wish, 115 speed, calm mind stored power etc. At least it will be used in doubles.
It also walls Koraidon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:27:32 No.52169569 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169556
it learns fucking everything so idk
maybe Calm Mind?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:27:44 No.52169570 Report

Quoted By:

>>52165836
I was almost saying "most sane tierlist I've seen so far) then I saw Flutter Mane UUBL
Learn to play

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:28:53 No.52169577 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169550
No? -5 HP, +5 SpA, -5 Attack and +5 Spe. Simple rearrangement.

>>52169556
Its a support mon with a big fuck off option in Boomburst to not be fully passive.
A lot of its moveset is a meme though. Its certainly a weird mon yeah.

Can do stuff like wish pass, screens and just be an overall nuisance. I feel like it'll be good but not to a super impressive degree.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:32:26 No.52169603 Report

Quoted By: >>52169646 >>52169661

behold! the ultimate Flutter Mane counter!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:39:54 No.52169646 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169603
LETS GO PYROARCHADS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:40:47 No.52169655 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168117
Normally that could be an issue, but this gen alleviated that by the more limited distribution of knock off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:41:56 No.52169661 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169603
>*power gems*
>-ACK

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:43:34 No.52169670 Report

Quoted By: >>52169800

>>52169505
I'm glad because otherwise shitmetal wouldve been somehow more broken, but sad for Pawmot and other Iron fist mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:03:45 No.52169800 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169670
>Melmetal
>Broken
??????

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:03:51 No.52169801 Report

Quoted By: >>52169911 >>52170225 >>52170361

What can reliably check Flutter Mane in VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:06:56 No.52169818 Report

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what version has the better exclusives for competitive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:10:25 No.52169850 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169555
Cresselia, Zacian and Zamazenta got a stat nerf.
Kleavor and Hisuian Zoroark got a stat rearrangement that nerfs them in practice. Can't be bothered to type them out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:19:59 No.52169904 Report

Quoted By:

>>52165405
Weird list… those are not the most consistently menacing ones, except for G-Moltres. Metagross and DM Necrozma can fuck you if you don’t have a somewhat specific answer but you can handle Kommo-o without much trouble. If they all boost at the beginning of a battle, the others may win, but kommo-o will never be able to

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:20:31 No.52169908 Report

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why did people think regenerator was nerfed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:20:47 No.52169911 Report

Quoted By: >>52169917

>>52169801
nothing
you will be raped by puff and you're going to like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:21:47 No.52169917 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169911
Wrong mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:22:50 No.52169928 Report

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>>52165639
This is bullshit. You having dynamax ensures it is very hard to be 6-0’d, and that’s more on the ability of the mons themselves (say, you have a slow team and you’re against a snowballing kartana). Whereas before a shell smasher could 6-0 your team from turn 1 and you have no answer because you don’t have someone you can double health to deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:31:07 No.52169979 Report

Quoted By:

>>52167869
>Trying to burn something quicker than you that can uturn out
>106 spatk
I swear, there's only retards in here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:44:35 No.52170071 Report

Quoted By: >>52170286

>everyone focusing on how sun turtle can fully tank hero dolphin
>Forgetting it also has a solid special attack
>Hydro pump uninvested under the sun still shaves 47 to 57% of it's HP off
Well well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:45:41 No.52170077 Report

Quoted By: >>52170100 >>52170227

orthworm looks so interesting to me
>steel with ground absorb
>has that beautiful sub+bp move
sounds like it can switch in into a lot of mons and give a free sub to a setup sweeper with a favorable matchup against whatever

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 09:50:11 No.52170100 Report

Quoted By: >>52170211

>>52170077
doesn't absorb spikes unfortunately

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:09:42 No.52170211 Report

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>>52170100
That would have been bunkers. Deleting spikes and healing from it

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:09:52 No.52170215 Report

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I feel like a lot of people are going to be experimenting with Loaded Dice. Who are the users I should watch out for?
Also I think the first team I'm going to build is a bulky hazard-phasing team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:11:14 No.52170225 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169801
Bullet punch anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:11:37 No.52170227 Report

Quoted By: >>52170239

>>52170077
I always laugh when retards say it's just a worse steelix

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:12:49 No.52170239 Report

Quoted By: >>52170280 >>52170308

>>52170227
If it had steelix stats or if it had fatter hp it would have been much better.
At first glance it does just look like shittier steelix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:18:07 No.52170280 Report

Quoted By:

>>52170239
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:18:53 No.52170286 Report

Quoted By: >>52170376

>>52170071
So you want it to be cucked by grass types instead of just bulky waters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:22:05 No.52170308 Report

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>>52170239
it's going to depend entirely on if there's enough pokemon he can tank 4 attacks from, in which case you can switch into one, tank one attack and still be over half health to shed tail. as a scenario that doesn't sound reliable, but it's not impossible either, plus you could lead with it (this sounds particularly good), use restchest, healing wish/wishpass into it, and similar things that allow you to worry about 1 less attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:24:43 No.52170326 Report

Quoted By:

Friendly reminder that the most viable teams in early metas are Screens Hyper Offense teams because they simply consist of a screen setter and 5 suicide mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:29:06 No.52170361 Report

Quoted By:

>>52169801
Give Pursuit back to Snorlax

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:31:16 No.52170376 Report

Quoted By:

>>52170286
>What is sun boosted tera blast (fire)
Nah, just water. Can't pretend this 1 pokemon to cover literally everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:34:51 No.52170402 Report

Quoted By: >>52170459 >>52170487

Is Talonflame transfer-only?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:41:17 No.52170459 Report

Quoted By:

>>52170402
Nope, its line is immediately available on the first few routes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:42:53 No.52170474 Report

Quoted By: >>52170506

Does anyone know if pokemon with tera type in the overworld respawn after they were defeated? There was a level 60 Raichu on a beach with a tera type fighter, which I accidentally defeated, I wanted to know if I have another chance to capture him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:44:15 No.52170487 Report

Quoted By:

>>52170402
The beast is available very early game, like the first route. Such a great fucking mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:46:15 No.52170506 Report

Quoted By: >>52170635

>>52170474
he'll be back, give it about an ingame week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:50:27 No.52170542 Report

Quoted By:

>>52165836
>Flutter Mane and Quaquaval in UUBL
You had one job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:00:42 No.52170635 Report

Quoted By: >>52170796

>>52170506
So the respawn of this game is for the days that pass within the ingame? Will I need to wait 7 days ingame for pokemons to respawn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:20:45 No.52170796 Report

Quoted By: >>52170823

>>52170635
a week ingame is about how long it takes for fixed overworld spawns like tera mons and gimmighoul chests to respawn, yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:22:27 No.52170803 Report

Quoted By:

>>52165836
>electric bird in UU
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:25:06 No.52170820 Report

Quoted By:

Can flame orb burn damage activate Electromorphosis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:25:19 No.52170823 Report

Quoted By:

>>52170796
So it's 7 ingame days for them to respawn, does anyone know how long an ingame day lasts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:38:39 No.52170919 Report

Quoted By: >>52171058 >>52171075

>>52165836
Flutter Mane should rather go from UUBL to """"OUBL"""", dunno if stays in OU, but let the abundance of priority dictate that.
Iron Threads should probably UU or UUBL, despite being a good Physical Tank and great defensive tools and Speed, it still lacks recovery and has a breach towards its SpD.
Quaquaval must go straight to Uber, it's basically a Water Blaziken with priority.
Ting-Lu is guaranteed OU if not banned to Uber in a Toxapex Gen7 fashion, Stealth Rock along with Knock-Off and Body Press are the least of your concerns, as the HP and Def are colossal and its ability covers its 80 SpD by having an aura that lowers everyone else's SpA, which can only be bypassed by Tera Blast (and the ban to Ubers will be certain if Terastalization gets banned to AG).
Roaring Moon will most likely banned to Ubers, people are prone to follow sets closer to ScarfChomp, but with an extra grain of salt by having access to Dragon Dance for Energy Booster sets.
Braxcalibur in RU would be a mistake, unlike Haxorus, it is immune to Burn.
Iron Jugulis has weak STAB moves to make it stand for RUBL, probably RU.
Brambleghast might go up a bit, considering that Wind Rider provides immunity to wind-based moves and gets a +1 Atk under Tailwind Support.
Ceruledge might probably later rise to RUBL, considering the potential of Weak Armor HO sets or the likes of AV Bitter Blade sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:43:06 No.52170963 Report

Quoted By:

>>52168677
I think CB is still decent yeah
wood hammer, knock off, u-turn and low kick
losing coverage hurts a lot and SD life orb was his best set but setting grassy terrain is underrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:45:57 No.52171001 Report

Quoted By: >>52171367

>>52165100
>he needs checks/counters to defensive mons and thinks that bans only affect them
Umm bro, have you tried attacking? You aren't using shitmons that can't kill anything, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:52:08 No.52171058 Report

Quoted By: >>52171169

>>52170919
>Quaquaval must go straight to Uber, it's basically a Water Blaziken with priority.
Not even Blaziken itself is currently uber, Quaquaval also doesn't boost passively which keeps it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:53:43 No.52171072 Report

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18 hours left until the Showdown update lads.
I will share my team shortly before that for feedback.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:53:51 No.52171075 Report

Quoted By: >>52171241

>>52170919
1. Ting-Lu doesn't get Knock-Off. You gotta go with Throat Chop. Or I dunno, Snarl maybe in Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:00:37 No.52171128 Report

Quoted By: >>52171138 >>52171174 >>52171177

who has Aurora Veil this gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:01:22 No.52171138 Report

Quoted By: >>52171151 >>52171196

>>52171128
Obama

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:02:36 No.52171151 Report

Quoted By: >>52171177

>>52171138
that can't be it
no
my HO teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:04:01 No.52171169 Report

Quoted By: >>52171208

>>52171058
Blaziken had Dragapult in the way, but now everyone got access to Ice Spinner. On the other hand, Grimmsnarl might also incapacitate Quaquaval with Thunder Wave. Still a concern about Quaquaval tearing down Lando-T the more it gets fed up and Toxapex lowering usage due to nerfs on its movepool. But yeah, stopping it from gaining Attack boosts and taking advantage of switching into its signature move (while not being weak to its coverage) is the key here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:04:14 No.52171174 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171128
Delibird, Abomasnow, Froslass, Cryogonal, Avalugg, Frosmoth, Eiscue, Iron Bundle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:04:30 No.52171177 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171128
>>52171151
Technically Iron Bundle has it but it doesn't naturally set snow.
I suppose you can argue since you would be switching into another mon with Slowking "non-setter users" of veil might be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:06:20 No.52171196 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171138
Don't use this shit for Aurora Veil.
Use Chilly Reception with Slowking, switch to the healthy and balanced robotic bird of ridiculous speed and perfect dual STABs and use Aurora Veil with it. It even has Flip Turn for momentum.
It's gonna get banned eventually so enjoy it while you can

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:07:35 No.52171208 Report

Quoted By: >>52171395

>>52171169
I love Grimmsnarl
he strikes fear into the hearts of offense teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:09:58 No.52171241 Report

Quoted By: >>52171495

>>52171075
Damn, I thought that every peril had Knock-Off, my bad, then.
>You gotta go with Throat Chop.
Kinda good to take care Bug Buzz, which is otherwise weak to. Payback might be useful too due to its low Spe. Ruination also seems to be annoying to deal with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:10:53 No.52171251 Report

Quoted By: >>52171267 >>52171269

Is future hydreigon worth a shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:12:08 No.52171267 Report

Quoted By: >>52171316

>>52171251
hydreigon was already great
and this future one has a worse typing, worse movepool, and worse BST.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:12:11 No.52171269 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171251
Yea, in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:13:07 No.52171276 Report

Quoted By: >>52171284 >>52171286

Is my boy corviknight still doing good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:13:43 No.52171284 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171276
Better than good. It's the only viable defogger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:13:48 No.52171286 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171276
Better than ever. He's the only OU defogger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:16:33 No.52171316 Report

Quoted By: >>52171329

>>52171267
>worse typing
I dunno about that, Dark/Dragon sucks dick. I think Dark/Flying is better, its boring but probably better for overall health.
>worse BST.
Its super minmaxed compared to Hydreigon.
>Hydreigon - 92/105/90/125/90/98
>Iron Jugulis - 94/80/86/122/80/108
You can barely tell the loss, it looks like a legitimate sidegrade if you don't know its "lacking" 30 BST. The only hit is in its movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:18:06 No.52171329 Report

Quoted By: >>52171370

>>52171316
The only thing they needed to is switch its Atk and Spatk stat and give it DD/SD, then Jugulis would have been OU with its booster acrobatics set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:22:05 No.52171367 Report

Quoted By: >>52171447

>>52171001
>You aren't using shitmons that can't kill anything
That wouldn't be a joke if they didn't ban Naganadel and Genesect because it countered Clefable. And in place you had to resort to a Nidoking under Sheer Force LO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:22:16 No.52171370 Report

Quoted By: >>52171383

>>52171329
Would have been nice to be more unique yeah. Suppose the design doesn't really match that.
In its current state its just a weird sidegrade to Moltres currently; better speed to get off tailwind and a better base(though berserk>quark obviously) and some unique coverage i suppose.

I think its better than what most people give it credit for though yes; its obviously not super amazing either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:24:25 No.52171383 Report

Quoted By: >>52171428

>>52171370
At the current moment its just a specsmon with 122 SpAtk and 108 speed who can get even stronger in terrain. It learns Dark Pulse, Flash Cannon and Hurricane which is all it needs, last move filler.
It will be very strong in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:25:54 No.52171395 Report

Quoted By: >>52171402

>>52171208
priority parting shot is super nice for HO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:27:17 No.52171402 Report

Quoted By: >>52171426

>>52171395
Grimmsnarl is overhyped, meta is going to be full of dark types that block Prankster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:30:00 No.52171426 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171402
he has Fairy Stab

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:30:08 No.52171428 Report

Quoted By:

>>52171383
Didn't mention singles for some reason but yeah thats my feeling. Choice sets are probably going to be its main usage. Stab+Double Coverage(or U-Turn)
Or booster i suppose, booster has obvious advantages. It does have the most logical statline to set terrain looking at it, but i really wouldn't suggest raw terrain memes; I doubt that stray thought leads anywhere good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:32:07 No.52171447 Report

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>>52171367
Naganadel was banned because it swept entire teams after a single boost, even fucking Heatran would die to Dragon Z Move if it wasn't at max health
Genesect got kicked out because it legit does too much and too well, it has coverage for everything, stupidly powerful priority and gets a free Atk/SpA boost on switch in, which on top of Band/Specs made it unwallable

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:36:30 No.52171495 Report

Quoted By: >>52171578

>>52171241
I could see a set being:
Ting-Lu @ Zoom Lens / Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Sassy Nature
- Sand Tomb
- Ruination
- Taunt
- Body Press

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:44:28 No.52171578 Report

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>>52171495
Take taunt or body for protect with leftovers.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:51:32 No.52171643 Report

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Sneasler @ King's rock
Ability: Unburden
Tera: Flying
EVs 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant/Jolly nature
-Fling
-Acobatics
-Close Combat
-Thief/Swords dance

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:01:49 No.52171754 Report

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>>52165204
Retard

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:04:26 No.52171783 Report

Quoted By: >>52171844

give it to me straight, is iron valiant cope or good

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:09:02 No.52171829 Report

Quoted By: >>52172117

>>52165204
It was not fun to guess if the chimp was scarfed and banded or double banded
Gorilla Tactics is a stupid fucking ability and it should've been on a shitmon like Primeape instead of a mon with options

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:11:12 No.52171844 Report

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>>52171783
It can run a lot of sets and does a lot of things pretty coherently. Its probably not amazing but i can't see it being bad.
Probably just a very "decent" mon. Maybe in a terrain meta it'd be actually good.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:11:45 No.52171851 Report

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>>52165204
it had 140 attack to START

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:38:11 No.52172102 Report

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>>52172093
>>52172093
>>52172093

I hope Showdown launches on day 1 of SV

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:40:11 No.52172117 Report

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>>52171829
>It was not fun to guess if the chimp was scarfed and banded or double banded
99% of the time it was scarfed, and in fact if that was the only set, it wouldn't be so bad
I ran double banded in the dmax suspect and it was difficult to use, you miss out on some KOs that Dracovish doesn't.
the gimmick Zen Mode set too was enough to make garm too much for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:47:37 No.52172193 Report

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>>52167220
Coup Critique. It's all in french

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