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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:22:13 No.52165754 View View Reply Original Report

Is there any actual benefit to making SV “open world”, if the levels don’t scale and you basically have to go in the same order anyways?
To those that have played SV, did you enjoy it being “open world”?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:22:56 No.52165764 Report

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no and no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:23:09 No.52165766 Report

Quoted By: >>52171248 >>52171951 >>52172813

>>52165754
>and you basically have to go in the same order
Says who? not everyone is bad at the game like you, dumbfuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:23:32 No.52165774 Report

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>>52165754
No, and honestly if they just had specified routes around the game with more detail, better trainers, and better design, I'd like it a lot more than the buggy open world we got.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:24:24 No.52165792 Report

Quoted By: >>52171121

It gives you the option of actually tackling a challenge for some part of the game precisely by not going in order.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:25:11 No.52165803 Report

Quoted By: >>52171134

>>52165754
>if the levels don’t scale and you basically have to go in the same order anyways?
You really don't "have to". The game just doesn't hold your hand in that regard. GF probably expected speedrunners to come up with cheecky strats to take out stronger gyms early on
>To those that have played SV, did you enjoy it being “open world”?
yes

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:27:01 No.52165824 Report

Quoted By: >>52165851

>>52165754
You're asking loaded questions because you actually already formed your own opinions and just want validation

Now watch as this thread gets 250 replies because everyone here is a retard (including me)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:28:55 No.52165851 Report

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>>52165824
I’m genuinely curious. I asked the second question specifically to see what benefits there were of the game being open world and plenty of anons have replied saying they enjoyed it for various reasons.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:33:13 No.52165901 Report

Quoted By: >>52166316

>>52165754
>Is there any actual benefit to making SV “open world”
Yes and it's no different than the benefit that Kanto and Johto's open world had on the fucking Gameboy. The series was meant to be this way. Can you zoomers not learn to play and experience the game for yourselves instead of having arbitrary cutscene points every 5 steps as was the case ever since SM?
The game is the most replayable it's ever been and the experience itself more engaging all throughout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:40:32 No.52165996 Report

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>>52165754
>Is there any actual benefit to making SV “open world”, if the levels don’t scale and you basically have to go in the same order anyways?
>To those that have played SV, did you enjoy it being “open world”?

Played a bit so far, the "open world skyrim sandbox" is kinda neat seeing how the pokemon are grouped together but outside of that it's a fucking desert of walking around to get to shit. We traded the nationaldex and a proper battle frontier for THIS? No thank you. go back to 2-D and let normtards play BOTW 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:41:43 No.52166017 Report

Quoted By: >>52166162

>>52165754
Are there other open world, or turn based games whitout level scaling that you have played?
I think the only turn based game with level scalling I played (that I remember) has being final fantasy tactics, and even then, only the random battles had level scalling. The story ones didn't, and you could get absolutely busted before even the third story battle because of the level scalling.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:44:45 No.52166047 Report

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>>52165754
I want this twink to top me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 02:55:41 No.52166162 Report

Quoted By: >>52166355

>>52166017
In contrast, are there any Pokémon games without level scaling? It just seems like a weird direction to take for a game that relies so heavily on being linear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:05:27 No.52166316 Report

Quoted By: >>52166325 >>52171857

>>52165901
Honestly, I don't trust any of these progress maps, because every single one I've seen suggests a different order and gives different levels for each boss. Is the order for the last three gyms Ghost>Ice>Psychic, Ice>Psychic>Ghost, or Ghost>Psychic>Ice? I don't know, I've seen all three

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:06:07 No.52166325 Report

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>>52166316
i’ve only seen ice as 7

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:07:40 No.52166355 Report

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>>52166162
I don't think a single pokemon game has level scalling. The thing is that almost pokemon games are linear, so you can't go fight the last gym with your level 10 starter. the game simply doens't let you deviate from the path.
In the first two gens you could choose which mid gym to do first, but the levels don't scale.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:13:43 No.52166438 Report

Quoted By: >>52166542 >>52166558 >>52166641 >>52173526 >>52173593

Level scaling is shit and I'm tired of retards trying to say it's a bad thing. There's nothing more fun than trying to bash your way into an overleveled area or getting your shit pushed. Difficulty is not barring you from entering, it's just saying be careful or train and get better.

Making the entire world change to the player is jarring and no fun. Why would the starting area suddenly have end game levels because of you? Maybe I want to catch low level mons later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:19:56 No.52166529 Report

Quoted By: >>52166586

>>52165754
Post more pics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:21:03 No.52166542 Report

Quoted By: >>52171323

>>52166438
I agree with you on the challenge thing, but the other side of the coin is that then there would be areas and battles for which you are super overleveled, and that's not fun at all.
But well, I guess you can't have "overleveled" areas without the underleveled ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:22:12 No.52166558 Report

Quoted By: >>52171296

>>52166438
you're being stupid on purpose right? the problem is the gyms not scaling. there's literal lore in game and everything else that gym leaders SCALE their teams depending on the trainer with what pokemon they'll use and how many, yet gamefreak have never done it because every game has been linear. the SECOND they have an actual open world game, they refuse to do this mecanic. No one really gives a shit about the other stuff, since the Gyms will always be the main thing ever for pokemon. no one wants the tutorial area to have pseudo legendaries everywhere end game.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:23:56 No.52166586 Report

Quoted By: >>52166755

>>52166529

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:28:20 No.52166641 Report

Quoted By: >>52166761

>>52166438
The Titan Pokemon are random "regular" Pokemon, so obviously some will be stronger than others, that's okay.

Team Star are at the end of the day still regular Trainers, so again it's normal for some to be stronger than the others.

Gym leaders literally, and I mean literally, scale their Pokemon depending on how many badges the Trainer who is challenging them has in the official lore. Gym Leaders are not just Trainers, they are near close to Gov. workers who test your skills.

Badges will always be the main progression of any Pokemon game no matter what. That's what people mean by "going in order and not scaled".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:35:40 No.52166734 Report

Quoted By: >>52166768

>>52165754
No game ever benefits from being open world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:37:25 No.52166755 Report

Quoted By: >>52166811

>>52166586
No, post more pics of the boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:37:43 No.52166761 Report

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>>52166641
Exactly this. Nobody necessarily cares if the Wild Pokémon scale, but there’s no reason for the gyms not to

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:38:30 No.52166768 Report

Quoted By: >>52166990

>>52166734
What about metroidvanias? Are those considered open world? I haven't plaed many, but I feel those are pretty cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:41:10 No.52166811 Report

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>>52166755
fuck off, OP pic guy will never fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:51:29 No.52166944 Report

Quoted By: >>52167154

>>52165754
I would take any routes based game with good level design with a small loading time between zones over the technical can of worms that is a supposedly seamless "big plains of nothing" open world. Add the possibility to go to any gym/town in any order with a bit of scaling and better routes design to Red and Blue and you have your open world freedom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 03:54:32 No.52166990 Report

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>>52166768
Most metroidvanias only give you the illusion of an open world, they let big areas open, but the actual progression if often locked behind certain abilites that once you get you get in line with the lineart path.
Of the modern metroidvanias that come to mind, the first ori is really linear, but that's fine for a game that basically has no combat, the second one gives you more freedom, but is still linear.
Hollow knight gives you freedom to explore a lot of optional areas (in fact, the first area I visited was crytal peak, instead of the intended green path), but unless you get specific abilities, you can't continue or fight against certain bosses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:07:27 No.52167154 Report

Quoted By: >>52167293 >>52167356 >>52171150

>>52166944
Is SV a “big plains of nothing” game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:14:22 No.52167243 Report

Quoted By: >>52167337 >>52167519 >>52171878

>>52165754
What’s his name?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:18:32 No.52167293 Report

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>>52167154
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:22:13 No.52167337 Report

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>>52167243
james turner

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:24:16 No.52167356 Report

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>>52167154
No because there's always pokemon around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 04:38:38 No.52167519 Report

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>>52167243
Sorry anon, but I don’t have his nudes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 08:03:38 No.52169396 Report

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The open world was great. u can actually challenge yourself by fighting a high level gym early with some low level mons. its what i did and i enjoyed it. Hope all future games keep this format and just expand it. Also pro tip use Ryujinx and install reshade you can use mxao, rtgi and tons of other stuff to boost it from a ps2 game to like a late gen ps3 game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:58:42 No.52171112 Report

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>>52165754
No and nope. Everything just feels big and empty for no reason. There aren't even landmarks most of the time, just boring routes full of nothing with a feel mob spawns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:59:55 No.52171121 Report

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>>52165792
Then you just end up steamrolling a bunch of lvl 20 gyms later on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:01:11 No.52171134 Report

Quoted By: >>52171161

>>52165803
No one makes games thinking about 0.1% of the players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:02:11 No.52171145 Report

Quoted By: >>52171165

>>52165754
>you basically have to go in the same order anyways?
>not rushing to the highest level areas ASAP to bypass the grind
fucking idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:02:28 No.52171150 Report

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>>52167154
Yes, don't be fooled by retards who think placing the same pokemon spawn you saw a dozen times in a empty field makes it not empty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:03:20 No.52171161 Report

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>>52171134
Anon the primary difference between this any other recent pokemon game is that there aren't wooloos arbitrarily blocking off higher level areas and you don't get interrupted by teens every two minutes. The game just lets you go wherever and do it how you want. That's a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:03:21 No.52171162 Report

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>>52165754
Challenge spikes are good though. There should be gameplay walls in an open world game to make you step back and think for a bit. They just made it in the laziest and less creative way possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:03:41 No.52171165 Report

Quoted By: >>52171184

>>52171145
What grind? I didn't need to fight a single battle that wasn't a trainer or some pokemon I wanted to catch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:05:04 No.52171184 Report

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>>52171165
EXP grind. I bred a ton in this game so constantly shuffled my party around because I didn't want to use anything overlevelled for gyms. Titans I did first but they're all incredibly easy even at 25.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:06:08 No.52171194 Report

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>>52165754
>basically have to go in the same order anyways
You dont.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:10:44 No.52171248 Report

Quoted By: >>52171914 >>52172114 >>52172863

>>52165766
>do one gym early for challenge
>now you have to slog through 3 boring gyms you're massively overleveled for

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:14:44 No.52171296 Report

Quoted By: >>52171303

>>52166558
>there's literal lore in game and everything else that gym leaders SCALE their teams depending on the trainer with what pokemon they'll use and how many
ONE FUCKING SCENE IN A NON-CANON ONA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:15:24 No.52171303 Report

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>>52171296
The specifically talk about it in this game, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 12:17:15 No.52171323 Report

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>>52166542
>but the other side of the coin is that then there would be areas and battles for which you are super overleveled
But there lies the advantage of Pokemon, you're not stuck with a single party of characters, if your current Pokemon are overleveled for an area, just box them for a bit and bring out a fresh team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:12:39 No.52171857 Report

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>>52166316
That's because like Kanto/Johto there is no order for a good chunk of them. The ones outlined in green/yellow/red can be done pretty much interchangeably as that's clearly what they intended.
It's good game design and a facet that has been lost ever since Gen 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:14:35 No.52171878 Report

Quoted By: >>52172613 >>52172787

>>52167243
he gets the pics from some gay pedophile discord full of trannies who are into underage teenage kids

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:15:26 No.52171886 Report

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>>52165754
>benefit to making SV “open world”
Yes, pacing. A straight line is stale, but when you can go wherever you want it's much funnier, especially in a game like this one where it's rewarding due to the rare mons you'll find.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:17:40 No.52171914 Report

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>>52171248
It was the opposite in my playthrough. The only slog is attempting to do one of the badges you're too low level for but it's still insanely rewarding to get through them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:21:54 No.52171951 Report

Quoted By: >>52172863

>>52165766
Look at this dumbass
>kek gitgud
It isn't about how hard it'll be, it's about not being incredibly over leveled, it's anti climactic and not fun. If anything, doing it in order will be more of a "challenging" if you don't grind levels

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:38:11 No.52172103 Report

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>>52165754
I always imagined an open world pokemon game would have you pick where you start, with level scaling based on a mixture of gym badges and your team's levels.
You can have the protagonist get the starter by going on a trip or something at the start, and then going back to where you picked to properly start the game.
Just have some areas of the open world locked to certain levels at a minimum, having them scale upwards a bit if needed when the player checks certain flags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:39:43 No.52172114 Report

Quoted By: >>52172194

>>52171248
Why do you Niggas not rotate your teams? I just don’t get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 13:47:41 No.52172194 Report

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>>52172114
I like planning a team right before starting a new game in a new gen and sticking with it.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:24:10 No.52172613 Report

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>>52171878
he’s literally in his 20s

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:38:54 No.52172787 Report

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>>52171878
Discord link?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:41:28 No.52172813 Report

Quoted By: >>52172863

>>52165766
>not everyone is bad at the game like you
you retarded, the problem with no scaling is the game being easier, not harder.
You do the things in whatever order and it means you'll be 20 lvls overleveled when you go challenge something.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:46:51 No.52172863 Report

Quoted By: >>52173440 >>52173722

>>52171951
>>52172813
>you retarded, the problem with no scaling is the game being easier
OP is crying about having to go in a specific order, meaning he’s a dumbfuck who can’t beat overleveled gyms.

>b-but you’ll be overleveled when you do the other gyms!
Yeah totally unlike the other games where you’re forced to go in a specific order right?

>>52171248
Holy shit instead of being overleveled for EVERY gym I’ll only be overleveled for a few of them? Open world bad bros!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:50:56 No.52172917 Report

Quoted By: >>52173002

>>52165754
No, but I can actually get all my team before the first gym, so it's fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:53:01 No.52172938 Report

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>>52165754
It's the illusion of Open World so people eat it up and praise GameFreak, people are retarded, welcome to gaming and society.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 14:57:40 No.52173002 Report

Quoted By: >>52174073

>>52172917
How easy is this? I know that there aren’t any forced trainer battles, but is it really that easy just to walk anywhere and catch anything without being stopped?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:30:54 No.52173440 Report

Quoted By: >>52173543 >>52173659

>>52172863
Id rather not be overleveled for any gym than be excessively underleveled for a few and excessively overleveled for the rest

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:36:42 No.52173526 Report

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>>52166438
>Making the entire world change to the player is jarring and no fun. Why would the starting area suddenly have end game levels because of you? Maybe I want to catch low level mons later.
Maybe the issue is with you thinking an entirely all or nothing approach is the only kind of level scaling that can be done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:38:20 No.52173543 Report

Quoted By: >>52173602

>>52173440
>Id rather not be overleveled for any gym
You won't get that by making the game linear garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:42:09 No.52173593 Report

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>>52166438
You can have areas that are a set level whilst the general open world scales with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:42:42 No.52173602 Report

Quoted By: >>52173618

>>52173543
You could if there wasn’t a forced EXP share

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:43:45 No.52173618 Report

Quoted By: >>52173626

>>52173602
yeah bro I love how wasn't overleveled for the gyms in emerald because there was no forced exp share

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:44:27 No.52173626 Report

Quoted By: >>52173639

>>52173618
Your fault for using literally one Pokémon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:45:02 No.52173639 Report

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>>52173626
why would I not use literally one Pokemon when there's no team exp share you dumbfuck

if the game punishes me for using more than one pokemon then of course I'm not going to use more than one pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:46:15 No.52173659 Report

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>>52173440
>Id rather not be overleveled for any gym
Your fault for not rotating your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:48:34 No.52173691 Report

Quoted By: >>52173703 >>52174593

>>52165754
I think it's interesting for the long-term fans who complain about lack of challenge. Yes the early game gyms will be ridiculously easy if you do them last, but if you go in reverse order you could have fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:49:22 No.52173703 Report

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>>52173691
You can also just change your tea, to similar levels as the gym.
People act like you're beholden to using the team you killed gym 8 with for gym 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 15:50:39 No.52173722 Report

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>>52172863
>brings up B/W for no reason
Obsessed.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 16:02:16 No.52173926 Report

Quoted By: >>52174075

so is basically every pokemon obtainable at the start? Like if I have my team planned I can B line to where they’re at, even if they’re in “late” game area. Or are some areas locked behind story progression?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 16:11:48 No.52174073 Report

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>>52173002
yeah it’s kinda nice not being forced to only have 2-3 mons/a team full of trash beginner area mons at the start

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 16:11:59 No.52174075 Report

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>>52173926
I guess so since there aren’t any roadblocks or even any trainers you have to battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 16:41:49 No.52174593 Report

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>>52173691
Would reverse order even be possible? Does anyone know the levels of the highest leveled wild Pokémon?

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