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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:51:15 No.52332133 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52332267 >>52332730 >>52332801 >>52332953 >>52333960 >>52334152 >>52334679 >>52335391 >>52336875 >>52338544 >>52338584 >>52338875

hyuck hyuck let's just ban every single decent pokémon from the enw gen so we can keep playing with Land-T for the tenth year in row hyuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:52:54 No.52332157 Report

Quoted By: >>52332193 >>52332377 >>52333859 >>52333913

Who is forcing you to play with their ruleset?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:55:24 No.52332193 Report

Quoted By: >>52332309 >>52332557 >>52333331 >>52337123

>>52332157
they have a monopoly on simulators, anon
you kind of have to

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:59:27 No.52332267 Report

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>>52332133
yeah they are seriously just banning almost exclusively everything new or anything that forces them to change the way they think about the game(ala Gholdengo or Tera)

At this point I seriously just think they wanna play gen 8 again, is it so hard for smoggies to adapt to any form of change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:02:42 No.52332309 Report

Quoted By: >>52332377 >>52332495 >>52332663 >>52332740 >>52333859 >>52334012

>>52332193
Damn that's crazy dude I wonder if they have a tier where anything goes where they don't have basically any of their rules in effect.
Oh wait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:03:55 No.52332330 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

seethe and mald lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:07:13 No.52332377 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

>>52332157
This.
>>52332309
And this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:14:31 No.52332495 Report

Quoted By: >>52332608 >>52332705

>>52332309
perhaps people would like to play with the new pokemon instead of calyrex-shadow, mega ray, and choice scarf ditto? just a thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:15:56 No.52332516 Report

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>competitive pokemon
you never had sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:18:25 No.52332557 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

>>52332193
You can literally play VGC or BSS on Showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:19:55 No.52332581 Report

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I really wish TPC would end Smogon and PokeMMO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:22:08 No.52332608 Report

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>>52332495
>Anything goes
>Can't use new pokemon
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:22:58 No.52332619 Report

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>playing shitgon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:26:19 No.52332663 Report

Quoted By: >>52332705 >>52332917

>>52332309
yeah bro I also enjoy playing against full mega rayquaza teams all day
fuck off retard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:29:49 No.52332705 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

>>52332495
>>52332663
Mega-ray and Calyrex are nat dex, just play normal SV anything goes retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:31:20 No.52332730 Report

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>>52332133
>Toxapex is finally outclassed and falling out of OU
>Smogon starts banning all the new attackers one by one

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:32:07 No.52332740 Report

Quoted By: >>52332788 >>52332812

>>52332309
The problem, as the tier name already states, is that it includes off-gen shit altogether: megas, primals, z-moves, dynamax, retconned ash-greninja, mega-FUG, duplicate mons, duplicate items, all of these able to be used altogether within the same team. The literal manchild fanfic that nobody asks for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:35:32 No.52332788 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

>>52332740
>is that it includes off-gen shit altogether: megas, primals, z-moves, dynamax, retconned ash-greninja, mega-FUG,
That's only true if you play nat dex. Play normal AG if you only want the pokemon in SV.
>duplicate mons, duplicate items
>why does the meta designed to not have rules not have rules?
You can literally just play BSS on Showdown if you want cartridge rules. I genuinely don't understand what you people are complaining about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:36:37 No.52332801 Report

Quoted By: >>52332833 >>52337112

>>52332133
Are you genuinely surprised by this? It started with their Garchomp ban back in DP. Anything that threatens stall has to be banned, because 30-minute long battles give them more time to groom underage kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:37:38 No.52332812 Report

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>>52332740
No, the tier doesn't state that. You're talking about natdex AG. If you ever played you would know there's also a regular AG where only stuff from gen 9 exists. But then again asking the retards on /vp/ to actually play is too much. Easier to whine about formats you never actually touch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:38:54 No.52332833 Report

Quoted By: >>52332842 >>52333859 >>52336146

>>52332801
You have literally never played and you suck ass at any format including the official ones. So why do you care what rules and bans are implemented?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:39:57 No.52332842 Report

Quoted By: >>52332866

>>52332833
Lol mad mad landy fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:42:23 No.52332866 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

>>52332842
You seem to be the mad one wasting time complaining about something you could just ignore. If every Pokemon but Lando gets banned how does that affect you? You don't play. Do you also waste time crying about the rules in water polo or some other random shit you never play?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:46:40 No.52332917 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

>>52332663
>"Waaaaah! Smogon imposes arbitrary rules to decide what I can and can't use!"
>Okay, here's a tier where you can literally do whatever you want
>"F-fuck off, not like that! I need SOME arbitrary rules, just the ones that I like!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:46:57 No.52332923 Report

Quoted By: >>52333100 >>52333404 >>52333859

Oh no here we go again, idiot thinks his 1600 elo ass opinion matters more than accomplished players who grind this game 24/7 AND actually have the hard data to back their claims
>b-but were basically forced to play their game
Yes that what it means retard. Better by them than by youtube community #16 who post videos on how to farm evs
>but cant try shit out if the just ban every new pkmn to comform to the old ones...
Well thats just powercreep in play. Yeah it sucks but better than playing against the same mons every time if you try to rank (and not very healthy for the teambuilding aspect of the game)
>but idc about ranking i just want to play with my favourites...
Then this game isnt for you. Its competitive you dumbfuck thats just how it is, yes we will never realize your true potential without your real team that you beat the champion with but if you are truly good at the game, you will excell with the mons you have avaiable

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:49:08 No.52332953 Report

Quoted By: >>52332997 >>52333009

>>52332133
Not a raging anti smogon fag but holy fuck they've gone full retard this gen. Gholdengo and fucking Annihilape of all things are on the ban radar. What a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:52:20 No.52332997 Report

Quoted By: >>52333006

>>52332953
Have they put Orthworm on the ban radar yet? He's basically a landorus' worst nightmare

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:53:22 No.52333006 Report

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>>52332997
The bans will continue until Pex is OU again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:53:28 No.52333009 Report

Quoted By: >>52333105

>>52332953
Annihilape was only on the AAA radar, which is the metagame where it gets Poison Heal and Regenerator. Pretty sure it’s not on the regular OU radar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:59:08 No.52333100 Report

Quoted By: >>52333139

>>52332923
The game has been out one week. Why should anyone care what the autismo NEET council has to say about a metagame that hasn't even had a chance to settle yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:59:27 No.52333105 Report

Quoted By: >>52333290

>>52333009
i looked it up after reading anon's post, and it actually is.
all the thing does is punish mindless u-turn spam, and yet that's apparently dangerously strong in omgon's eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:02:01 No.52333139 Report

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>>52333100
That's the real issue - Smogon's management has decided the point of new games/mons is to adapt them to their meta, rather than allowing a real meta to emerge from naturally from the new options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:12:15 No.52333290 Report

Quoted By: >>52333324 >>52333859

>>52333105
just read annihilape's reasoning to be on the radar and not once did it ever mention u-turn or momentum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:14:14 No.52333324 Report

Quoted By: >>52333420

>>52333290
>throwing off a bunch of weak attacks in its direction can prove to be regrettable later
it's very deliberate wording, the only weak attacks in a hyper-offensive metagame like this one are mentum moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:14:51 No.52333331 Report

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>>52332193
That simulator where you can make your own metagame? That one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:20:14 No.52333404 Report

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>>52332923
>Well thats just powercreep in play. Yeah it sucks but better than playing against the same mons every time if you try to rank (and not very healthy for the teambuilding aspect of the game)
You know what the stupid thing about this logic is? Back in the day, once powercreep hit, the old stuff started to stumble down into the lower tiers.
Maybe, just maybe it's time for the old OU to be UU instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:21:16 No.52333420 Report

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>>52333324
the monkey usually runs 252 hp/252 spdef, so 'weak' moves can be a lot more than just momentum
i don't have an opinion yet on whether it should be banned or not, just trying to understand where you're getting at

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:23:49 No.52333460 Report

Quoted By: >>52333859

i don’t understand why people complaining about the so-called “””bans””” don’t just play on another metagame like sv ag. nobody is forcing you to play ou…

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:24:53 No.52333478 Report

Quoted By: >>52333512

>game is only out for a week
>smogon is already banning HO mons
You guys haven't even played the game yet and you already think you've mastered it lmfao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:26:52 No.52333512 Report

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>>52333478
Yep, rather than start fresh with an organic meta they've decided that all their previous dumb decisions have to be binding in perpetuity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:48:57 No.52333859 Report

Quoted By: >>52333987 >>52334025

>>52332157
>>52332309
>>52332330
>>52332377
>>52332557
>>52332705
>>52332788
>>52332833
>>52332866
>>52332917
>>52332923
>>52333290
>>52333460
Shut up pussy, you're defending an arbitrary simulator for a children's monster collecting game. You were birthed on to the planet and only amount to this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:52:31 No.52333913 Report

Quoted By: >>52334027 >>52338134

>>52332157
Not owning the game because 1. I don't support JewFreak and 2. I'm not interested in even pirating it (and lack of a good gaming PC is not the issue) because it's souless, woke and low-quality.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:55:38 No.52333960 Report

Quoted By: >>52334056 >>52334200

>>52332133
>smogon always bans anything that beats stall teams
>all the good shit in gen 9 are hyper offensive wallbreakers
>smogon panic banning half the new mons within the first week of the games release

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:57:02 No.52333987 Report

Quoted By: >>52334085

>>52333859
You’re complaining about “arbitrary” rules made for a simulator of a children’s game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:58:45 No.52334012 Report

Quoted By: >>52334198 >>52338631

>>52332309
>don’t like our fanfic rules? We’ll have you considered our other fanfic ruleset?

Fucking lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:59:55 No.52334025 Report

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>>52333859
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:00:06 No.52334027 Report

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>>52333913
>woke
It is, in fact, not. Just because /vp/ tries to tell you otherwise does not make it true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:01:28 No.52334056 Report

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>>52333960
They are speedrunning offensive mons because they want to ban Tera

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:03:27 No.52334085 Report

Quoted By: >>52334145

>>52333987
Looking down on you being a genetic dead end is a worthy use of my life clock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:06:31 No.52334145 Report

Quoted By: >>52334164

>>52334085
I'm not the manchild whining about a fanfic meta in a kid's game. You're the genetic dead end here since shitposting is the only thing that makes you feel something other than emptiness in your worthless, useless existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:07:05 No.52334152 Report

Quoted By: >>52334402

>>52332133
>hey let's quickban these broken new pokemon
ok
>but let's ban pokemon instead of moves because uhhhhhh
fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:07:56 No.52334164 Report

Quoted By: >>52334215

>>52334145
I have two white children and enjoy reminding you that you never will. Hope you kill yourself pussy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:08:58 No.52334181 Report

Quoted By: >>52334234

How can they even be talking seriously about bans when one of the new moves doesn’t even fucking work on the sim?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:09:44 No.52334198 Report

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>>52334012
Yes, you retard. If you don't like bans play a meta without bans. But that's the thing with you mentally challenged whiners. You don't want to play. You just want to cry and get internet upvotes for your complaints. You can play any format you want including official VGC and BSS but why do that when you can make another post about Landorus-T?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:09:45 No.52334200 Report

Quoted By: >>52335440

>>52333960
>he thinks Palafin 6-0ing every offense team almost on lead and getting banned for it benefits stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:10:22 No.52334213 Report

Quoted By: >>52334241

>it is 2050
>gen 23 is finally out
>you plug your brain on the metaverse™
>you go to showndown to play some OU
>You lead with Land-T
>The enemy leads with Toxa

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:10:35 No.52334215 Report

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>>52334164
In your head lol kys faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:11:41 No.52334233 Report

Quoted By: >>52334350

>new game comes out
>defend old meta with nails and teeth
>ban everything that can break muh wall or prevent muh stall
epic competitive mode pokefags

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:11:45 No.52334234 Report

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>>52334181
Why would they waste time programming in a move just to universally ban it in all formats? It'll be announced when they ban Tera and every pokemon you persobally care about next week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:12:14 No.52334241 Report

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>>52334213
>enemy leads with pex
am i really still in elo hell 28 years from now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:13:38 No.52334264 Report

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>it is 2100
>gen 96 is finally out
>There are more than ten thousand pokémon
>however smogon has banned every single one but two
>

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:18:37 No.52334350 Report

Quoted By: >>52334398 >>52335384 >>52338243 >>52338263

>>52334233
Explain right now why you and every other mouthbreather who thinks shit like Flutter Mane is totally balanced doesn't just play Ubers where these things are actually usable. Could it be that you don't play? Because people who do play clearly don't want that shit in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:22:02 No.52334398 Report

Quoted By: >>52334458

>>52334350
Do they not want it because it's OP, or do they not want it because Smogon tells them they don't want it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:22:11 No.52334402 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334152
>complains about ou
>doesn’t play ag
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:25:01 No.52334449 Report

Quoted By: >>52337931 >>52338615

How exactly do anti-Smogonfags explain this?
Unbanned:
>Rampardos 165 Atk with 150 BP move and Sheer Force
>Mega Heracross 185 Atk with effective 120 BP moves thanks to Skill Link and also Sword Dance
>Mega Mawile Effective Atk well over 255 and has Sword Dance with a good anti-stall typing
>Crawdaunt 120 Atk Adaptability Pokemon with enough speed to outrun all Stallmons and can remove their leftovers, gets STAB boosted in Rain, and STAB combo is hardly resisted, and has Sword Dance on top of that
>Hoopa-Unbound, Pokemon whose sole purpose on a team is to wallbreak and destroy Stall
>Taunt, a move that shuts down all Stall Pokemon and makes you basically autowin against Stall
Banned:
>Swift Swim/Sand Rush in Gen 5, which has 0 affect on Stall teams
>Arena Trap, one of Stall teams best ways to beat Stallbreakers like Tyranitar
>Mega Sableye
>Spectrier, something Stall could easily handle because of its awful coverage and can Heal Bell/Haze all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:25:36 No.52334458 Report

Quoted By: >>52334496 >>52334499 >>52334513

>>52334398
Because it's blatantly OP and only morons who don't play would think otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:28:37 No.52334496 Report

Quoted By: >>52334962 >>52335748

>>52334458
So? What's wrong with that? In every other game, people actually want to use the broken shit because it's good. Smogon's philosophy is basically "No, this sword is too sharp. I refuse to use it."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:28:45 No.52334499 Report

Quoted By: >>52334551 >>52334962

>>52334458
This is why they need to actually loosen their previous banlist at the start of each gen, how the fuck can you tell if its actually OP if you've already truncated the possible response? Smogon is denying themselves tools which leads to them denying more and more tools. If they want OU to stay in locked in Gen5 like they're acting they should just play gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:29:29 No.52334513 Report

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>>52334458
OP to gen 8, you mean

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:32:49 No.52334551 Report

Quoted By: >>52334615

>>52334499
they do that when possible, though.
natdex for example dropped a shitload of ubers like magearna, genesect, naganadel, etc.
and when home hits we'll see the same for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:33:27 No.52334556 Report

Quoted By: >>52334574 >>52334630 >>52334704 >>52335914 >>52339152 >>52339253

Do the people in this thread REALLY think fucking Palafin doesn't deserve to be banned? He's on like half or more of teams. You need to heavily account for him in the team builder with shit specifically for him or else you auto lose. And even if you do account for him he probably just kills you anyway because he's OP as hell and has no true counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:34:55 No.52334574 Report

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>>52334556
anon, it's /vp/.
they think because they beat some guy using a garbage set at the bottom of the ladder, that means the mon isn't broken.
i'd wager no one here has even encountered the taunt+bulk up set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:37:33 No.52334615 Report

Quoted By: >>52334645

>>52334551
>they do that
Okay, so why not now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:38:34 No.52334630 Report

Quoted By: >>52334695

>>52334556
>usage stats as argument
If you do that you need to ban Lando then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:39:16 No.52334645 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334615
because there are literally zero ubers in the game to retest?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:42:01 No.52334679 Report

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>>52332133
Never forget, he was perfectly fine in the OU.
The April Fools suspect test proved it and they were too embarrassed to admit that their joke test turned out that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:42:50 No.52334695 Report

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>>52334630
this anon has a point.
it be a combination formula of uaage and winrate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:43:14 No.52334702 Report

Quoted By: >>52334762 >>52334929

palafin was never broken
pure water type with bad coverage and no ability. kartana was stronger and faster than it and it didnt need some bullshit "switch out first" turn.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:43:22 No.52334704 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334556
>He's on like half or more of teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:47:26 No.52334762 Report

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>>52334702
>bad coverage
close combat, drain punch, zen headbutt, ice punch, grass knot
>no ability
you mean the ability that turns palafin into a water type slaking without truant?

the funny part about the coverage thing is it doesn't need diverse coverage. taunt+bulk up only needs jet punch and drain punch to be busted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:56:24 No.52334929 Report

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>>52334702
t. stuck 1200s

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:58:26 No.52334962 Report

Quoted By: >>52335455 >>52337473

>>52334496
Why don't you use your totally balanced and fun knives in Ubers or AG? If OU is wrong for banning stuff like Flutter Mane you can play those tiers where everything that's also legal in OU exists too.

>>52334499
Shit has been tested and retested a million times. Every time Genesect gets retested and every time it turns out to be too broken for OU. This time there is nothing to retest because the only broken legendaries available right now are the Scarlet/Violet box legends. Which you would know if you actually played.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:19:18 No.52335384 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334350
>still no actual answer to this
As expected of /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:19:34 No.52335391 Report

Quoted By:

>>52332133
it doesn't matter, Smogon understands that a meta can barely exist if Tera is allowed
They will ban Tera, enforce Gen8 meta without Dynamax, and die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:22:19 No.52335440 Report

Quoted By: >>52335522 >>52335568 >>52338837

>>52334200
Smoggies banned unga misdreavus and want to ban robo-delibird that both shit on the dolphin. It's almost like banning one HO mon has a snowballing effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:23:07 No.52335455 Report

Quoted By: >>52335555 >>52335780

>>52334962
And it should continue to be tested and retested. The fact that you've played a bit of a format that had what is more or less a hard stop at gen 6 doesn't make you an expert on gen 9.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:27:03 No.52335522 Report

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>>52335440
>flutter mane keeps the 160 attack mon with base 60 stab priority in check
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:29:19 No.52335555 Report

Quoted By: >>52335789 >>52335902

>>52335455
You literally don't play any format so your opinion is completely worthless. What exactly needs to be tested right now? You're genuinely retarded if you think Flutter Mane and Houndstone aren't broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:29:40 No.52335568 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335440
They'll literally ban everything until the meta is lando and toxa again, this is not a meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:40:31 No.52335748 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334496
That's what Ubers is for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:43:03 No.52335780 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335455
What the fuck do you want them to test? The only things prebanned were Koraidon and Miraidon, 670 BST box legends that are obviously too broken for OU. Everything else in Ubers has been banned for less than a week so retesting it would be an absurd waste of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:43:16 No.52335785 Report

Quoted By:

ITT: retards who don't know what a centralized meta is

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:43:32 No.52335789 Report

Quoted By: >>52335831 >>52335849

>>52335555
They aren't. You just suck.
>Lose to new mons
>Waaah i'm not a shitter it's the new mons that are broken ban them waaahhh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:45:09 No.52335817 Report

Quoted By: >>52337515

12 years of listening to the bitching about Smogon, yet these retards refuse to play the official format because they're just as butthurt about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:45:56 No.52335831 Report

Quoted By: >>52335854 >>52335890

>>52335789
So go play Ubers then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:46:05 No.52335835 Report

Quoted By:

>12 years of smogontards being retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:46:57 No.52335849 Report

Quoted By: >>52335860 >>52335864

>>52335789
Post a counter to Houndstone

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:47:36 No.52335854 Report

Quoted By: >>52335890

>>52335831
He's not gonna do that because that would require playing the game instead of shitposting his uninformed trash opinions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:47:55 No.52335860 Report

Quoted By: >>52335910

>>52335849
Avalugg

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:47:59 No.52335864 Report

Quoted By: >>52335910 >>52335929

>>52335849

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:49:18 No.52335890 Report

Quoted By: >>52335907

>>52335831
>>52335854
>Smoggie samefagging hysterically
No one likes you smoggie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:50:04 No.52335902 Report

Quoted By: >>52335955

>>52335555
You refuse to adapt and have the balls to complain about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:50:15 No.52335907 Report

Quoted By: >>52335984

>>52335890
You still haven't explained why you don't play Ubers. Could it be that you don't actually play yet you feel like you have some great insight into metas you obviously don't play?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:50:26 No.52335910 Report

Quoted By: >>52337905

>>52335860
>>52335864
Not a counter. Houndstone 2HKO's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:50:34 No.52335914 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334556
>He's on like half or more of teams
damn that is almost like that's the whole point of playing a tier called O V E R used
why are there so many retards on /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:51:05 No.52335929 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335864
Banned by next week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:52:43 No.52335955 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335902
Adapt to what exactly? Why don't you understand that people who actually play don't want broken bullshit like Flutter Mane in the tier? Why don't you adapt and play Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:53:37 No.52335973 Report

Quoted By:

>ban two mons after 1 (uno) week of playing
nice "wait for the meta to shape"
lol
lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:54:00 No.52335984 Report

Quoted By: >>52336029

>>52335907
Tbh your retarded bans make want to quit "actually playing" retarded powertripping smoggie. Keep banning new shit with your 7or 8 tranny discord buddies to make your favourites more viable smoggie, then wonder why everyone hates you smoggie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:56:45 No.52336029 Report

Quoted By: >>52336052

>>52335984
You literally still haven't answered a simple question. If you do play (which you clearly don't) why don't you make the very obvious and very easy decision to play Ubers, a tier where the stuff that is too broken for OU is actually allowed. Why don't you use your bro Flutter Mane there? You can use your other lower tier bros there too. How many times does this question have to be asked before it gets an actual answer? Can you not play Ubers because it's not called "OU"? Ubers has a decently large playerbase too. You won't ever have trouble finding battles.

It will never get one because all the retards who constantly cry and moan literally do not play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:57:06 No.52336035 Report

Quoted By:

>be a retarded stinky smoggie
>New gen comes out
>Everyone has fun playing with new toys
>NOOOOOOOO YOU ARE PLAYING WRONG!!!!
>Take away all the new toys
>Wonder why everyone hates you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:57:15 No.52336037 Report

Quoted By: >>52336100 >>52336125

>NOOOOO I DON'T WANNA PLAY AG THEY HAVE MEGA RAYQUAZA
>But I want Houndstone in OU (who hits harder and faster than mega Rayquaza) or else I will cry
Huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:58:24 No.52336052 Report

Quoted By: >>52336070

>>52336029
>which you clearly don't
Retarded smoggie keeps saying this yet won't post ELO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:59:21 No.52336070 Report

Quoted By: >>52336098

>>52336052
Why don't you play Ubers? Literally answer this question. It fixes everything you complain about. And if Ubers has too many rules too you can play AG.

Literally try addressing this very simple question for once in your life, you mentally challenged shitposter.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:00:35 No.52336088 Report

Quoted By:

>smogon admins every year after a new pokemon game comes out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:01:14 No.52336098 Report

Quoted By: >>52336116

>>52336070
>He won't post elo
Kek shitter smoggie larps as a pro yet won't post elo fucking lol worthless stinky retarded smoggie and a 1100 elo shitter to boot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:01:17 No.52336100 Report

Quoted By: >>52336153

>>52336037
Are you actually dumb enough to imply Houndstone is stronger than mega Rayquaza?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:02:00 No.52336116 Report

Quoted By: >>52336121

>>52336098
Why don't you play Ubers? Flutter Mane isn't banned there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:02:28 No.52336121 Report

Quoted By: >>52336143 >>52336166

>>52336116
>No ELO
Why does that shitter keeps talking to me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:02:45 No.52336125 Report

Quoted By: >>52336148

>>52336037
>requires 5 dead mons and sand to sweep
>with one the few types that has types outright immune

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:03:46 No.52336143 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336121
Because xir goal is to drive ad revenue on the xite xe xannies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:03:55 No.52336146 Report

Quoted By:

>>52332833
>didn't deny the grooming
About right, groomer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:04:17 No.52336148 Report

Quoted By: >>52336210 >>52336415

>>52336125
>requires 5 dead mons
Nope

>with one the few types that has types outright immune
It gets body press and all normal types in SV are shit. It can also run fighting tera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:04:27 No.52336153 Report

Quoted By: >>52336177 >>52338228

>>52336100
It's the resident houndstone hater shitter that refuses to admit that the dog dies to one sucker punch. If you try arguing with him he would post powerfantasy scenarios about beating you with his houndstone and ttar because he's just that good. He won't post elo thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:05:12 No.52336166 Report

Quoted By: >>52336187

>>52336121
>Why does
>shitter keeps
So not only do you not play you're also an illiterate spic. As expected of the embarrassing morons on /vp/. Keep obsessing about rules of a meta you don't play if that's what gets you off. Maybe one day you can even afford some english lessons too. This is your last reply because you clearly don't intend to do anything but shitpost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:05:37 No.52336177 Report

Quoted By: >>52336187 >>52336193 >>52336204 >>52336221

>>52336153
Sucker punch mons are not counters. They are checks. You don't play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:06:25 No.52336187 Report

Quoted By: >>52336196

>>52336166
Uhuh smoggie you would get banned on your safe tranny forums for hate speech for those words
>>52336177
If you play the game post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:07:09 No.52336193 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336177
>no you don't use out lingo that only our forums use
>forums which are used by 1/1000th ot player base

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:07:18 No.52336196 Report

Quoted By: >>52337637

>>52336187
Still not a counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:07:51 No.52336204 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336177
No one said anything about counters, he just said the dog dies to one sucker punch, which is true. You have brain problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:08:19 No.52336210 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336148
So? The Tera point apllies to all ghost mons. I'm sorry you're so incompetant you keep getting swept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:09:01 No.52336221 Report

Quoted By: >>52336246

>>52336177
Not everything needs a counter in optimal conditions, not having a 100% safe switch in doesn’t mean there’s no counterplay

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:10:11 No.52336246 Report

Quoted By: >>52336266 >>52336269 >>52336275

>>52336221
No counters means your opponent gets a free kill every time the uncounterable mon comes out. Which makes the game about sending out this mon as much as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:11:02 No.52336266 Report

Quoted By: >>52336285

>>52336246
No, they get a “free kill” if you keep letting them send the mon out for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:11:14 No.52336269 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336246
>Which makes the game about sending out this mon as much as possible.
Loled hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:11:32 No.52336275 Report

Quoted By: >>52336309

>>52336246
>killing is bad
So basically stall is the objective and you want matches that take 50 minutes so you can groom kids. Am I getting this right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:11:51 No.52336285 Report

Quoted By: >>52336305

>>52336266
Your opponent getting a free switch is not something you can prevent vs a player of equal skill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:13:02 No.52336305 Report

Quoted By: >>52336357

>>52336285
Sounds like a meta problem of looking the other way vs certain overpowered pivots

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:13:19 No.52336309 Report

Quoted By: >>52336346 >>52336370

>>52336275
Yea, metas centralized around 1 threat are bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:14:47 No.52336346 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336309
>Centralized means having one mon with sucker punch
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:15:10 No.52336357 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336305
It is not realistic to win 100% of switching predictions vs a player of equal skill. They'd guess right as many times as you would. This is not even taking good pivots into account.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:15:57 No.52336370 Report

Quoted By: >>52336404

>>52336309
Good thing there's hasn't been any overcentralizing Ground/Flying Pokemon running rampant for the last few gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:17:19 No.52336398 Report

Quoted By:

What if every player gets to ban 1 or 3 pokemon, similar to MOBA games, and you can't get matched against them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:17:33 No.52336404 Report

Quoted By: >>52336464 >>52336717

>>52336370
>overcentralizing
You don't know what this means. Nobody has to teambuild around lando as a threat since it has a low power level. Lando is dealt with by chip damage, which any team can do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:17:58 No.52336415 Report

Quoted By: >>52336514

>>52336148
>252+ Def Houndstone Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Staraptor: 107-127 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>252+ Atk Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Houndstone: 147-174 (51.5 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:18:05 No.52336418 Report

Quoted By: >>52336436 >>52336456 >>52336478

Like half the fucking pokemon in the game learn sucker punch, how is it centralizing to use a move that most would run anyway because it's a good move? In their 'strategy dex' like 90% of the moves there are listed for fighting against landrous-t yet this fag is implying that the reason they ban pokemon is because people have to build around fighting it. Make up your mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:19:07 No.52336436 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336418
He's mentally ill and won't post elo, ignore him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:20:22 No.52336456 Report

Quoted By: >>52336480

>>52336418
So every time Hound comes in and your current mon doesn't have a sucker punch that kills a 101 base def mon, you lose 1 poke. Also the Hound player can just chose not to send in Hound vs mons that have STAB sucker punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:20:58 No.52336464 Report

Quoted By: >>52336477 >>52336520

>>52336404
>muh mon that's been on every team for nearly a decade isn't overcentralizing
Shut up, retard. We all know it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:21:43 No.52336477 Report

Quoted By: >>52336529

>>52336464
>overcentralizing
You don't know what this word means, dumb ESL spic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:21:47 No.52336478 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336418
Houndstone is bulky enough to live most Sucker Punches and it can use Will-O-Wisp on obvious SP plays. Not to mention not "half the fucking Pokemon" can reasonably run Sucker Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:21:50 No.52336480 Report

Quoted By: >>52336541

>>52336456
>Also the Hound player can just chose not to send in Hound vs mons that have STAB sucker punch.

>You can just not send your pokemon against a pojemon that can kill it

Wow, i think all pokemon should get banned now. With the exception of lando and toxapex obviously

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:23:23 No.52336514 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336415
So now every team has to carry hound + staraptor to counter opponent hound. You get to teambuild with 4 pokes! What a diverse meta. Mons need several counters.

Also if people started running tera rock hound, staraptor would no longer deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:23:39 No.52336520 Report

Quoted By: >>52336746

>>52336464
This is the level of competitive discourse on /vp/. Every single thread ever is filled with these retards who don't understand the most basic concepts. The funniest part is there are countless of metas where Lando isn't nearly as prevalent or straight up doesn't exist but they refuse to acknowledge them because that would require actually going on showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:23:52 No.52336529 Report

Quoted By: >>52336570

>>52336477
Just go back to sucking Lando-T's dick like you have been since 2013. I'm sure the same flavor for so long must be very comforting to autists like you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:24:27 No.52336541 Report

Quoted By: >>52336589

>>52336480
Yea, you don't send in your ghost types vs dark type mons with sucker punch lmao. How bad are you?

The hound player being retarded is not a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:25:54 No.52336570 Report

Quoted By: >>52336599

>>52336529
Learn to speak the language, spic-kun

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:26:45 No.52336589 Report

Quoted By: >>52336625

>>52336541
>Yea, you don't send in your ghost types vs dark type mons with sucker punch

Umm does it mean ghost types should get banned or dark types should get banned? Uhh i'm not sure...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:27:06 No.52336599 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336570
Learn to use a different Pokemon, Lando-Tist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:27:54 No.52336618 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder that landofucker still haven't posted ELO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:28:12 No.52336625 Report

Quoted By: >>52336822

>>52336589
It means Glaceon isn't a Garchomp counter because your low IQ ass sends in garchomp and eats an ice beam before being able to click a move.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:31:36 No.52336695 Report

Quoted By: >>52336780 >>52336806

Wouldn't allowing tera reasonably introduce a lot more counters to seemingly overpowered Pokemon thus eliminating the need for knee jerk bans? I'm not a competitive pokemon player, but seemingly this is how it works based on what the game was telling me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:32:24 No.52336717 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336404
>1010 mons
>every team since gen 5 has run a single mon
Ban it just to see how people adapt. Something doesn't need to be overpowered on its own to stagnate a meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:33:37 No.52336746 Report

Quoted By: >>52336825

>>52336520
>smogon mod argues his fan game is more true to the rules than the actual rules
oh lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:35:09 No.52336780 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336695
It all comes down to the mods not want to risk losing their positions for failing to adapt to change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:36:44 No.52336806 Report

Quoted By: >>52337179 >>52337325 >>52337866

>>52336695
You don't know what tera type you need to counter opponent threats before the match has begun. It asymmetrically favors offence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:37:36 No.52336822 Report

Quoted By: >>52336841

>>52336625
True, pokemon don't have counters. All pokemon should be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:37:46 No.52336825 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336746
Go play the official rules then, it has shit balance and a less diverse meta, but you do you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:38:48 No.52336841 Report

Quoted By: >>52336873 >>52336885

>>52336822
>pokemon don't have counters
Pretty much every single mon has counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:39:16 No.52336854 Report

Quoted By: >>52336914 >>52336957 >>52337032 >>52338890

DO NOT engage with the mentally ill. You can't reason with dumbfucks also see flatearthers. They WILL think their opinion is always right and the big guys are wrong. Council consists of different players with different opinions they all have a much higher elo than you thus know more about the game
>n-no i just used logical thinking and reasoning and came to the conclusion they are all wrong!
You're absolutely right! Instead of a democratic system we should just let you decide what gets banned, even if your elo isn't near as high and you play competitve not nearly as enough you surely know whats the best for this game?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:39:52 No.52336873 Report

Quoted By: >>52336902 >>52338274

>>52336841

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:39:59 No.52336875 Report

Quoted By: >>52336924 >>52338336

>>52332133
They are retards who literally don't even play the game. "Trust us, we have all the same game data! It really is the same as playing the actual games! Ignore all the inconsistencies and differences in the real game play! It's better to use our server!!"
I swear these retards don't even have object permanence. They know the only reason they don't get sued and taken down is because they aren't a viable substitute and yet still cry that they're the real meta. They literally don't even play pokemon, they made the gen9 bans before they could even have tried out the pokemon that made them cry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:40:32 No.52336885 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336841
Not with Tera blast lel
They are gonna ban the Gen mechanic once they get through all these pesky offensive mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:41:11 No.52336902 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336873
Good thing it got banned, mons without counters aren't healthy for the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:41:49 No.52336914 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336854
>they have a much higher elo in rules they created themselves
I'd sure hope so. I hear Kim Jung-Un has the highest favorable ratings in Best Korea too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:42:13 No.52336924 Report

Quoted By: >>52337691 >>52337713

>>52336875
You can only vote on bans if you play the game...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:43:42 No.52336957 Report

Quoted By: >>52337006

>>52336854
Yes.
High elo autists shouldn't ruin the game for everyone by banning anything they're afraid of as soon as it releases while forcing stale metas down everyone's throat. Anyone that's played any other game with a banlist knows comp-fags should never dictate the banlist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:44:24 No.52336971 Report

Quoted By:

>52336914
See this is how smart the average flatearther is. Yes the rules are made by them, however they don't inherently favour anyone and are thus fair. Like, what is even that argument?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:46:13 No.52337006 Report

Quoted By: >>52337055 >>52337147

>>52336957
I mean, can you give an example? Every banlist will be bad, atleast those autistic fucks actually play the game, so I'll take the best from the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:46:20 No.52337009 Report

Quoted By: >>52337085 >>52337109 >>52338327 >>52338356 >>52339546

I don’t play Smogon and stick to cart ranked I just hate how their bs infests discussion of the actual games. If you ask for a good Gyarados moveset in Gen 8 without clarifying that you mean in the actual game like 70% of people would not include bounce “because Dynamax is banned”

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:47:23 No.52337032 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336854
>anyone who dislikes the moderation on a children's video game site is mentally unfit and should be executed
Trannies cant help themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:48:37 No.52337055 Report

Quoted By: >>52337162

>>52337006
They don't play the games, they play a truncated version that favors their playstyle and historical on cartridge mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:50:13 No.52337085 Report

Quoted By: >>52337110 >>52337267 >>52337820

>>52337009
You playing slow kiddie shit with awful balance, nigga. Grow up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:51:36 No.52337109 Report

Quoted By: >>52337143

>>52337009
Rare intelligent post in a muh showdown thread. At least Smogon tends to cover important BSS pokemon in their own separate analysis, but yes teambuilding advise in Cart/friendly singles tends to be underwhelming, especially in a 6v6 setting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:51:41 No.52337110 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337085
As opposed to what, weighted coin flip simulator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:51:52 No.52337112 Report

Quoted By:

>>52332801
>Garchomp ban back in DP
It threatebed their beloved jirachi

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:52:12 No.52337123 Report

Quoted By:

>>52332193
Don't use the simulators, play the actual game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:53:28 No.52337143 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337109
Maybe your format isn't popular because it's dogshit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:53:36 No.52337147 Report

Quoted By: >>52337244

>>52337006
YuGiOh is complicated but currently there's a tier 0 meta deck (60%+ top cut representation nearly 100% of tourneys won by the same deck) and they'll still defend it because they think the 40 minute mirror match is fun. It's not and its killing locals since no one wants to play an already stale meta against a strategy they have no chance of beating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:54:30 No.52337162 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337055
Someone's gonna make these rules, and they usually all have a pretty high elo and played in different tournaments. I mean its literally the best we can do, should we instead hire random people off of this thread who echo your opinion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:55:20 No.52337179 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336806
offense is more fun for both sides anyways, and the game as a whole pushes offense. who is anyone to say "the direction of the game is wrong and MUST be forced back towards defensive archetypes".
hard-stall is like control decks in trading card games; nobody likes playing against it, and shitters only play them because it is a braindead path to easy wins. the difference is that in tcgs control only lives because it makes money while in smogon netdecked stall teams have historically been the easiest way for bad players to rapidly become "allowed" to vote, and so they fight tooth and nail to preserve it to maintain power. I dont lime doubles and thats why I've stuck to smogon 6v6 but at this point I think that smogon admins and "council members" have become so corrupt and egotistical that Im just going to learn vgc anyways just to get away from their shit. a shame because i enjoy monotype but i simply cannot in good faith abide by them restricting and then banning a fundamental game mechanic two generations in a row.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:55:34 No.52337186 Report

Quoted By: >>52337204 >>52337316

They are overreaching too much. Bans should only exist to take out completely broken Pokemon, moves, or abilities. Palafin is the one that really needs to be looked at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:56:55 No.52337204 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337186
Palafin is only dominating because every other tall poppy has been cut down. Once he goes, someone else will be on the cuttinng board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 19:59:29 No.52337244 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337147
Funnily enough, Im also chilling at /dng/ rn. Don't think every pro is fine with the list, we just hear from them more often. I also don't think they ove tier 0, just that it is not that bad as many people think

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:00:19 No.52337267 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337085
>pokemon player telling other pokemon players to grow up
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:03:00 No.52337316 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337186
Iron Bundle is completely turbobroken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:03:35 No.52337325 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336806
>It asymmetrically favors offence
Why is this a bad thing in and of itself? Why do I need to deal with some shitmon that would otherwise be phased out stalling me for 30 minutes because of arbitrary rules set in place to keep said shitmon relevant? Seems like the smogon "council" just alters rules to suit the only playstyle they even know how to play and keep them in power, a lot like a politician.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:05:11 No.52337346 Report

Quoted By:

What rules does yearly pokemon masters tournament use?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:09:03 No.52337424 Report

Quoted By:

GF itself hates stall which is why they keep making these gimmicks and nerfing cancer stall moves and strats but smoggies can't seem to let it go and just adapt to the new games. Playing smogon now feels like playing it back in gen 7, it's the same fucking thing. It even still looks like puke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:11:47 No.52337473 Report

Quoted By: >>52337536

>>52334962
"Nuh uh! We tested it like a million times!!"
Lmao okay then. Post the test battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:14:17 No.52337515 Report

Quoted By: >>52337558

>>52335817
Lmao we do play the official format, you're the one who doesn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:15:37 No.52337536 Report

Quoted By: >>52337848

>>52337473
Further, all moderation communication must be done compeletely in the open and all mods must post valid gov't IDs and full dox.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:17:17 No.52337558 Report

Quoted By: >>52337747

>>52337515
lol this. The smogroomer telling everyone else to "play the game" when the whole point of showdown is so they don't actually have to play the game with the rules and mechanics that GF and TPC made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:22:15 No.52337637 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336196
You don't play and every time you falsely accuse actual players of your ignorance it just further ensures your place in hell and status as a permavirgin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:25:06 No.52337691 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336924
Lmao which none of you do, proving you're a pack of liars. Play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:26:16 No.52337713 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336924
Also are you actually so retarded you just tried to pretend that by "play the game" we were talking about the emulator that everyone knows can't substitute the actual game?
Lmao the absolute state of these shitdown incels

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:28:08 No.52337747 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337558
I don't get why the creative and talented team at Smogon doesn't make their own game instead of illegally leeching off an existing IP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:31:42 No.52337820 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337085
And yet it's somehow objectively more balanced and faster than shitdown, and you can play with any custom rules you want!
I hope they're paying you decent money to lie through your teeth like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:33:47 No.52337848 Report

Quoted By: >>52337892

>>52337536
Nah, just post some test battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:34:41 No.52337866 Report

Quoted By: >>52338013

>>52336806
That's the fucking point, dipshit. They're trying to speed up battles. Learn to play faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:36:16 No.52337892 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337848
Nope, all or nothing. These people are using their position to gain access to children and have had multiple cases of illegal activity in their community, most of which regarding access to children.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:36:47 No.52337905 Report

Quoted By: >>52338400 >>52338415

>>52335910
It's ability litterally coûter it like nothing else, also iron defence exists with you will surely use to make him do damage with boy press

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:38:14 No.52337931 Report

Quoted By: >>52337946 >>52338043 >>52338615 >>52338810

>>52334449
Vp sucks at competitive and can't even be bothered to play SV AG (and probably don't even play comp at all) so you won't get an answer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:39:10 No.52337946 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337931
yes because both knives and bioweapons take up 1/6th of a given person's arsenal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:42:40 No.52338013 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337866
NOOOOOOOOOO you don't understand I NEED to use Lando, Pex, Chansey, and Corvi to keep my ELO high, and I can't do that if everything has access to tera STAB. Smogon pls fix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:44:24 No.52338043 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337931
Sounds like you're trying to justify child molestation, honestly. Its so wierd that you think you deserve access to children just because you play kids games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:47:00 No.52338079 Report

Quoted By:

I've agreed with the bans so far, Gholdengo would be a step too far this early in the meta tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:48:33 No.52338101 Report

Quoted By: >>52338833

Smogon was always right

Smogon - 151 :: /vp/ - 0

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:50:29 No.52338134 Report

Quoted By:

>>52333913
Still who's forcing you to play by their ruleset?
Pokemon Showdown has lots of game modes, not just Smogon OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:56:27 No.52338228 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336153
Houndstone can eat a sucker punch from anything except Kingambit with the rest of its team dead. It can live that, too, if it Terastallizes into a Fighting type like they always did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:56:58 No.52338243 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334350
I don't think they play any format

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:57:55 No.52338263 Report

Quoted By: >>52338299 >>52338525

>>52334350
because i don't want to be fucked by legendary spam you fucking retard. mons aren't getting banned to ubers because they're good enough for ubers, they're getting banned to ubers because the people running ou are a bunch of bitches.
>Verification not required.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:58:31 No.52338274 Report

Quoted By:

>>52336873
Um bro...? Your Zacian-Crowned...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:00:06 No.52338299 Report

Quoted By: >>52338326

>>52338263
There are only two legendaries in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:00:19 No.52338305 Report

Quoted By: >>52338484

while I agree with most bans (besides illusion in gen 7 hackmons, fuck your stall fest, take 75% per turn shitters), i've always wondered, why haven't they suspect regen ever? regenerator is pure cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:01:29 No.52338326 Report

Quoted By: >>52338381 >>52338390 >>52338446 >>52338525

>>52338299
Six you fucking idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:01:30 No.52338327 Report

Quoted By: >>52338386

>>52337009
This, its fucking infuriating. Literally cannot find any team building advice or moveset advice that actually reflects the game itself and not a neutered list of smogon moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:01:57 No.52338336 Report

Quoted By: >>52339063

>>52336875
>Ignore all the inconsistencies and differences in the real game play! It's better to use our server!!"
Such as? In my experience they're pretty fast at fixing inconsistencies unless they're egregious ones like acid rain (since it crashed the game with Castform).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:02:59 No.52338356 Report

Quoted By: >>52338406 >>52338601 >>52338682 >>52338931

>>52337009
Smogon is the only real way to play the game. Game Freak's retarded asses refuse to speed up the online by skipping move animations, leading to games being horrendously long. That's why you're only allowed to play 3v3 singles or 4v4 doubles - the games would take too long otherwise and you'd lose to the 20 minute timer. They also can't balance for shit, so sensible balance changes have to be made on their behalf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:04:17 No.52338381 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338326
Koraidon, Miraidon, and...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:04:30 No.52338386 Report

Quoted By: >>52338465

>>52338327
>I have to specify what format I'm playing
>This makes me have an autistic meltdown
Good to know

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:04:42 No.52338390 Report

Quoted By: >>52338441

>>52338326
Two legendaries and three mythicals that can be used in OU.
Literally no excuse to not play Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:05:30 No.52338400 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337905
>body press
>vs houndstone

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:05:43 No.52338406 Report

Quoted By: >>52338738

>>52338356
>Game Freak's retarded asses refuse to speed up the online by skipping move animations
There's an ingame setting for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:06:01 No.52338415 Report

Quoted By:

>>52337905
>720BP move goes down 360BP and still OHKO's
Brilliant counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:07:34 No.52338441 Report

Quoted By: >>52338485

>>52338390
>mythicals
Imagine being this far gone.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:07:42 No.52338446 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338326
The other four are OU you absolute moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:08:47 No.52338465 Report

Quoted By: >>52338585

>>52338386
>pretending like anyone discusses anything other than the popular smogon OU format ever
>"ummmmmmmmmmmm but what about the BSS forum that might get 1 post a week about one whole pokemon thats already discussed to death!"
>meanwhile the entire rest of the internet this website included talks about OU smogon shit
cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:09:37 No.52338484 Report

Quoted By: >>52338507

>>52338305
Because then smogon's sea urchin waifu would be useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:09:42 No.52338485 Report

Quoted By: >>52338519

>>52338441
You're moving the goalposts.
How is playing OU going to protect you from those four OU mons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:10:56 No.52338507 Report

Quoted By: >>52338722 >>52339085

>>52338484
>Retard thinks Smogon likes Toxapex
>Meanwhile many of the top players are celebrating its struggle in Gen 9
Anti-Smoggies are always wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:11:36 No.52338519 Report

Quoted By: >>52338560

>>52338485
>accuses others of moving goalposts
>pretending that anyone actually uses the term "mystical" outside a shitty bulba article.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:12:01 No.52338525 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338263
>>52338326
Oh no, my opponent is using Wo Chien, what ever will I do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:13:00 No.52338544 Report

Quoted By:

>>52332133
Why can't they just let metas develop? Why do they have to control it until it's a monotonous slog of endless stalling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:14:00 No.52338560 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338519
Sorry anon, you win, I feel bad for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:15:13 No.52338584 Report

Quoted By: >>52338594 >>52338640

>>52332133
>EVERYTHING OVERCENTRALIZES THE METAGAME
>Proceeds setting up stealth rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:15:20 No.52338585 Report

Quoted By: >>52338684

>>52338465
>meanwhile the entire rest of the internet this website included talks about OU smogon shit
Cause smogon OU singles isn't a dogshit format unlike cart singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:15:46 No.52338594 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338584
Good thing Showdown allows you to play formats where Stealth rock is irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:16:09 No.52338601 Report

Quoted By: >>52338656 >>52338706

>>52338356
Or you could just play HO. If you can't finish a battle in 20 minutes without relying on your heal spamming crutchmons, then maybe you're not actually that good at the game. GF nerfed Toxic of all things this gen. It's time to take a hint about how the game is meant to be played.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:16:54 No.52338615 Report

Quoted By: >>52338632 >>52338735

>>52334449
Disingenuous retard
>>52337931
Even a bigger disingenuous retard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:17:44 No.52338631 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334012
>literally no rules
>other fanfic ruleset

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:17:46 No.52338632 Report

Quoted By: >>52338733

>>52338615
>anons are supposedly retards
>he still can't offer a proper counterpoint

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:18:10 No.52338640 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338584
Put on your boots. They're the best item in the game right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:18:26 No.52338653 Report

Quoted By:

https://youtu.be/6f4OFRAJ7zE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:18:35 No.52338656 Report

Quoted By: >>52338677

>>52338601
Why do you care how others play. Autism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:19:33 No.52338677 Report

Quoted By: >>52338702

>>52338656
Isn't the whole point of a banlist to dictate how others play?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:19:46 No.52338682 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338356
>you're only allowed to play 3v3 singles or 4v4 doubles
You can play 6v6 as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:19:53 No.52338684 Report

Quoted By: >>52338703 >>52338729

>>52338585
cope faggot i will never care about smogon shit, i play video games not simulators
>b-but its broken! the balance!
good, im not a competitive faggot i dont give a fuck about balance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:21:05 No.52338702 Report

Quoted By: >>52338757

>>52338677
Yea, for anyone that wants to partake. Nobody cares that you play your 20min 3v3 game on cart or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:21:10 No.52338703 Report

Quoted By: >>52339143

>>52338684
What's your current VGC team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:21:14 No.52338706 Report

Quoted By: >>52338783

>>52338601
Defensive Pokemon suck in doubles, so Game Freak invented them for, and intended them to be used in, singles. It's not like Game Freak was unaware of how strong Toxapex or Corviknight would be, so it's clearly an intended strategy.

Also, Toxic wasn't nerfed in Gen 9. The last time it was nerfed was Gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:22:07 No.52338722 Report

Quoted By: >>52338850

>>52338507
like i said, i supoort most bans, but why did they never question regenerator? just like prankster in vgc it's extremely annoying
>b-but muh balance
I agree, HO, should take a lot of hits this gen, most paradox mons are built for HO, but death by a thousand cuts (that was last gen OU with regen spam) is still death

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:22:22 No.52338729 Report

Quoted By: >>52339350

>>52338684
So why do you care so much about smogon? Go play your cart singles slop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:22:32 No.52338733 Report

Quoted By: >>52338743 >>52338864

>>52338632
Post a counter point to a (you)bait strawman image that gets tear apart every thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:22:40 No.52338735 Report

Quoted By: >>52338908

>>52338615
So why did Smogon decide to allow all those things that kill Stall harder than most Pokemon banned (besides shit like Primal Groudon and Zygarde), and also banned stuff that had no affect on Stall or even benefited Stall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:22:50 No.52338738 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338406
Not in SV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:23:10 No.52338743 Report

Quoted By: >>52339124

>>52338733
No, to the other anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:23:54 No.52338757 Report

Quoted By: >>52338771

>>52338702
I thought the whole point of 3v3 was so the games wouldn't take 20 minutes. I play balance and never had a problem finishing a 6v6 on cart in under 20 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:24:52 No.52338771 Report

Quoted By: >>52338822

>>52338757
So why do you care about a meta you don't even play or have interest in playing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:25:31 No.52338783 Report

Quoted By: >>52338795 >>52338907 >>52339726

>>52338706
>Toxic wasn't nerfed in Gen 9
It's not a TM anymore, so you can't just slap it on any fat healing mon like Chansey as a filler move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:26:14 No.52338795 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338783
That's not a nerf to toxic, it's a nerf to Chansey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:26:52 No.52338810 Report

Quoted By: >>52338872 >>52338958

>>52337931
You have 0 elo and don't play pokemon.
You are defending the retarded notion that every decent SV pokemon is the equivalent of a bio weapon.
No wonder I never see you at tournaments or even in ranked matches. Please cope harder. Your projecting is hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:27:14 No.52338822 Report

Quoted By: >>52338831

>>52338771
>people can only play one thing
not everyone here has an autism level as high as yours

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:27:44 No.52338831 Report

Quoted By: >>52338947

>>52338822
>people can only play one thing
Where did I say this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:27:52 No.52338833 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338101
As said by smogon, who is actually still at zero and would be in the negatives if we didn't feel bad for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:28:18 No.52338837 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335440
>Flutter Mane checked Palafin
1100 elo-kun...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:28:51 No.52338850 Report

Quoted By: >>52339314

>>52338722
Regenerator isn't broken. There are plenty of Pokemon with the ability that aren't broken, even in Gen 8. G-Slowbro, Eldegoss, etc. Smogon rarely ever bans abilities outright except for in the Almost Any Ability meta or in lower tiers where the power level is too low to handle abilities like Drizzle or Slush Rush.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:29:52 No.52338864 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338733
It's never been torn apart. Every single counter argument is bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:30:48 No.52338872 Report

Quoted By: >>52338958 >>52339599

>>52338810
>You are defending the retarded notion that every decent SV pokemon is the equivalent of a bio weapon.
>decent SV Pokemon
You niggers are really something else huh?
>Make a Water type Regigigas a severely toned down Slow Start, good coverage, stat boosting moves, and a new 60 BP Priority STAB move
>Gets banned
>”WTF WHY IS SMOGON BANNING ALL THE HALF WAY DECENT POKEMON?!?!?!”
Shut the fuck up, you stupid nigger.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:30:59 No.52338875 Report

Quoted By: >>52338919 >>52338932

>>52332133
I don't play no simulator, but I thought the solution was to climb the ranks until you are Elder Elite of the Elites in the council and then dictate how everyone should play. That's how it is, right?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:31:43 No.52338890 Report

Quoted By: >>52338935 >>52338984

>>52336854
>They're right because they're le high elo
how can they be high elo a week into the game? why are you listening to day 7 opinions

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:32:25 No.52338907 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338783
Plenty of defensive Pokemon still get it. Toxapex, Quagsire, Amoonguss, Salazzle, and Clodsire all still learn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:32:26 No.52338908 Report

Quoted By: >>52339150

>>52338735
Because the mons you keep insisting "only killed stall" also fucking murdered every other team archetype and their best checks are typically shitmons that are complete dead weight outside of that one singular matchup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:32:51 No.52338919 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338875
Yes, this is why the people whining about bans are posting here and not on the forums where decisions are made

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:33:37 No.52338931 Report

Quoted By: >>52338940

>>52338356
It's not and never will be a real way to play the game.
Your shitty emulator is infamous for having games that you consider "high level play" (which includes using earthquake against electric types and roost at full hp) being well over 100 turns and taking longer than entire bo3 matches in the actual game.
Keep lying, it just further cements the fact that you're an incel for life
I'll see you in a tournament if you ever feel like actually playing the games

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:33:45 No.52338932 Report

Quoted By: >>52339664

>>52338875
Yup. As long as you can prove your worth you can influence bans and suspect tests. The people who complain aren't good enough to get the required win rate to vote on suspect tests so they whine whenever Pokemon get banned by democratic vote.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:33:57 No.52338935 Report

Quoted By: >>52338982

>>52338890
>how can they be high elo a week into the game?
During this week people have been playing against each other, some have been descending the ladder and others have been climbing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:34:22 No.52338940 Report

Quoted By: >>52339680

>>52338931
Not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:34:39 No.52338947 Report

Quoted By: >>52338981

>>52338831
You just claimed that playing 6v6 on cart was impossible due to the 20 minute time limit, and I pointed out that's bullshit as long as you don't play like a stalling faggot. Then you pissed your pants about me trying to dictate how other people play. lol That's GF dictating, sweatie, not me. GF is clearly trying to nerf stall cancer by forcing the 20 minute timer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:34:59 No.52338958 Report

Quoted By: >>52339007

>>52338810
>>52338872
Honestly, if anything Smogon is way to slow to the bans of some Pokemon. Flutter Mane and Chien-Pao could have debatably be seem as ok, but who the fuck Smogon saw Water Regigigas without Slow Start and thought it was OK to let loose in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:35:56 No.52338981 Report

Quoted By: >>52339013

>>52338947
Learn to read.
Go enjoy your slow cart slop by the brilliant minds at GF.
Stop caring about other formats, autist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:36:00 No.52338982 Report

Quoted By: >>52339008

>>52338935
Yeah and I won the one game I played so I have the highest winrate of all time, you should listen to me

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:36:05 No.52338984 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338890
Pretty easy to get loads of wins by abusing the overpowered stuff. I got like 11 straight wins with Houndstone. Even if it carried my ass, I'm glad it's gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:37:06 No.52339007 Report

Quoted By: >>52339042

>>52338958
Because Regigigas/Slaking without an ability would be UU at best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:37:11 No.52339008 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338982
>I won the one game I played
That means you're still at the bottom of the ladder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:37:20 No.52339013 Report

Quoted By: >>52339034

>>52338981
>oh by the way I hate the game I've made the core of my identity
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:38:06 No.52339034 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339013
Ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:38:25 No.52339042 Report

Quoted By: >>52339054 >>52339072 >>52339107

>>52339007
Delusional take
In SWSH OU there's absolutely nothing that could have properly countered a Slaking with a decent or neutral ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:39:15 No.52339054 Report

Quoted By: >>52339067

>>52339042
It's a meme. A pretty old one at this point, at least 5 years old at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:39:32 No.52339063 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338336
Such as making slower pokemon move first outside of trick room without priority moves, making regular attacks do more damage than crits sometimes, like it sometimes just straight up using a move or a team you didn't pick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:39:48 No.52339067 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339054
Retards here actually believe it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:39:59 No.52339072 Report

Quoted By: >>52339110

>>52339042
>pretending doubles doesnt decisively prove you wrong
Its almost like your calcs are of extremely limited and limiting use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:40:41 No.52339085 Report

Quoted By: >>52339128 >>52339153

>>52338507
Smogon cuck lying as usual, still can't provide a single shred of evidence, in a thread that's about your retarded bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:41:30 No.52339107 Report

Quoted By: >>52339133 >>52339370

>>52339042
Slaking is pretty comparable to Kartana. Kartana is faster and harder hitting with similar physical bulk, an amazing ability, and one of the top 10 types in the game, while Slaking has a slightly better movepool, recovery, and is specially bulkier. In a meta that was so readily equipped to handle Kartana, Slaking with no ability wouldn't have made that big of a dent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:41:42 No.52339110 Report

Quoted By: >>52339647

>>52339072
Smogon OU is a singles format.
Doubles is different not only because Slaking's absurd bulk can be chipped away by two pokemon at once, but also because you're forced to run it along with gimmick and set up mons. Having to set up not to influence speed tiers or weather but just to fix your shitmon is a death sentence in doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:42:17 No.52339124 Report

Quoted By: >>52339166

>>52338743
>Rampardos
Slow frail Rock Pokemon with unreliable STAB that easily gets bamboozled by Smogon favorites like Landorus and fat garchomp
>Mega Heracross
Loses to Skarm 1v1, even loses to pex 1v1 if SD, pin needle, rock blast, fight move
>Mawile
Loses to Landorus
>Crawdaunt
Banded gauranteed lose to pex if it loses item
>Hoopa
Dies to Lando U-turn
>Taunt
At this point is a strech but Pex can still Scald burn through predicted taunts and Chansey can still 3hko almost anything with Seismic toss

>Gen 5 ban
Has barely stall since their God Toxapes isn't in
>Arenatrap
Always this stupid argument. Arena trap double edged sword because it is good vs Stall because traps important cores like Pex, Galar slowking or Blissey or forces them to use shed shell
>Mega Sable-eye
Banned when the fucking gen was over and no one played it anymore
>Spectrier
Free set up fodder since Chansey can't touch it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:42:31 No.52339128 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339085
One of the best Smogon players released a video celebrating Toxapex's downfall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWEQd0rlGC4

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:42:43 No.52339133 Report

Quoted By: >>52339206

>>52339107
Kartana is completely walled by a thousand pokemon, Slaking by none. Even Corviknight fails at walling it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:43:11 No.52339143 Report

Quoted By: >>52339182

>>52338703
It's only 1 week in, why would I constrain myself to a single team? But if you must know I've been working on a Slitherwing ttar houndstone core

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:43:40 No.52339150 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338908
>Because the mons you keep insisting "only killed stall" also fucking murdered every other team archetype and their best checks are typically shitmons that are complete dead weight outside of that one singular matchup.
What does Rampardos kill besides Stall and other defensive playstyles? What about Crawdaunt? Or Hoopa-U? Or Mega Heracross? Mega Mawile was more generally used but still destroyed Stall too.
And why aren’t they banned either way? You shitters keep claiming Smogon has a Stall agenda and you’d think that Pokemon who specialize in killing Stall would then be banned.
Then when confonted, you just give more reasons to ban the Stall killers because they kill every archetype (they don’t). And then don’t see the irony in saying that while crying about Houndstone and Flutter Mane being banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:43:48 No.52339152 Report

Quoted By: >>52339228 >>52339395

>>52334556
Do the people in this thread REALLY think fucking Toxapex doesn't deserve to be banned? He's on like half or more of teams. You need to heavily account for him in the team builder with shit specifically for him or else you auto lose. And even if you do account for him he probably just regenerates anyway because he's OP as hell and has no true counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:43:49 No.52339153 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339085
You might have a hard case of autism. You've been obsessed about what others do for a long time now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:44:18 No.52339166 Report

Quoted By: >>52339382

>>52339124
>Slow frail Rock Pokemon with unreliable STAB that easily gets bamboozled by Smogon favorites like Landorus and fat garchomp
But neither Lando nor Garchomp are stall. Rampardos has the power to tear through defensive Pokemon with ease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:44:50 No.52339182 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339143
>It's only 1 week in, why would I constrain myself to a single team?
The best way to learn how a new meta works is to stick to something reliable and observe what other players are doing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:45:50 No.52339206 Report

Quoted By: >>52339319

>>52339133
Grass/Steel/Dark/Fighting is pretty hard to wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:47:03 No.52339228 Report

Quoted By: >>52339239 >>52339315

>>52339152
Toxapex never broke 20% usage. Palafin is on its way to 45%+.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:47:41 No.52339239 Report

Quoted By: >>52339269

>>52339228
Not an argument, Lando saw 60% multiple times.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:48:13 No.52339253 Report

Quoted By: >>52339327

>>52334556
>has no true counters.
First of there is the hardest counter that's Dondozo.
2nd Gets BTFO by most dragons unless it's the Smogontard Schrodinger's Palafin with Jet Punch, Wave Crash, Drain Punch, Taunt, Bulk up, Ice Punch, Flip turn, Terablast, Choice Banded Leftovers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:48:48 No.52339269 Report

Quoted By: >>52339359

>>52339239
It never saw that high usage. Lando sits at around 35 - 45%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:51:10 No.52339314 Report

Quoted By: >>52339390

>>52338850
saying regenerator isn't broken cause some regenmons are bad is disingenous, just like saying spore isn't a top 3 move cause parasect gets it and it's still shit, yet sleep clause is a thing; I argue all choices in pokemon should have pros an cons unless you are already winning or losing, leading, pivoting, picking a move that may KO a mon but may be punished if you opponent reads correctly and so on; switching shouldn't have a positive outcome besides the one provided by predicting your opponent's choice correctly

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:51:12 No.52339315 Report

Quoted By: >>52339390

>>52339228
>Toxapex never broke 20% usage
Everyone hates using Pex because how boring and cheap it is.
Pex is always the only piece of shit with S+ rank viability,in gen 7 and gen 8 and that's what matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:51:32 No.52339319 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339206
Kartana eats shit from some of the most used defensive mons such as Thundurus, Tornadus and Corviknight.
It also has lots of checks in the form of fast or bulky mons with fire type/moves, like Torkoal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:51:51 No.52339327 Report

Quoted By: >>52339435

>>52339253
>tfw started running Tera Normal SpA Palafin to kill the Dondozo on switch
lel

>252+ SpA Life Orb Palafin Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Dondozo: 403-476 (79.9 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Improvise. Adapt. Survive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:53:01 No.52339350 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338729
We already are playing the actual pokemon games, unlike yourself who doesn't know what the real game is actually like.
You'll be made fun of less if you stopped lying and acting like the actual game isn't better than your shitty website in every way. But since you're too stupid and mentally weak to improve yourself, you're going to keep making a fool of yourself and being the pokemon community's source of laughter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:53:35 No.52339359 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339269
Should be sitting at 0% as it should be banned. Broken overcentralized piece of shit. Did they ever even radar this disgustingly overpowered Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:54:07 No.52339370 Report

Quoted By: >>52339510

>>52339107
1. Slaking hits way harder than Kartana
252 Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 160-188 (52.6 - 61.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 133-156 (43.7 - 51.3%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
2. Slaking has an extensive movepool people never see because of Truant. It has all the coverage it could ever want with access to really good status and utility moves as well. Best Kartana can do is Sword Dance, throw out a suicide Defog, and maybe Tailwind in Doubles.
3. Slaking is slightly slower while also being significantly bulkier. So if you managed to find something that can take a hit nicely from Slaking and outspeed it, you still have the issue of KOing it before it hits you again.
You’d have to be a retard to think Slaking with even just illuminate would be UU at best.
Regigigas might have a pass in OU since its movepool sucks, but would likely still be top of OU if it got like Illuminate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:54:44 No.52339382 Report

Quoted By: >>52339433

>>52339166
>Rampardos has the power to tear through defensive Pokemon with ease.
And yet can't tear through defensive Lando.
But no one uses Rampardos because it's best attack is unreliable 80% accurate trash that misses over 1/5th of time because Pokemon RNG is fucking dogshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:55:34 No.52339390 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339314
>>52339315
If Pex didn't exist it would just be some other cancermon like Amoonguss. Really Gen 5 as a whole was a disaster for this game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:55:48 No.52339395 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339152
Not any more, and I’d rather see a Scald ban in past Gens since Scald is not just an issue with Toxapex either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:57:48 No.52339433 Report

Quoted By: >>52339483

>>52339382
4 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rampardos Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 374-442 (97.9 - 115.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
>inb4 muh Mix Sets
This is the standard ZU set.
Also Landorus-T isn’t used on Stall because it doesn’t have reliable recovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:57:54 No.52339435 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339327
Jokes on you, I teraform Ghost and Body Press. Dead Palabitch.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:58:08 No.52339439 Report

Quoted By: >>52339469

All these keks suggesting to use sucker punch vs houndstone. The houndstone players could always see it coming a mile away and just use substitute LOL
Then you’re double fucked!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:00:05 No.52339469 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339439
They can also just Terastallize into a Fighting type or even have Fluffy, which allows Houndstone to survive a Max SO Sucker Punch from Kingambit too without Terastallizing or even having investment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:00:26 No.52339477 Report

Quoted By:

I see a lot of ELO obsessers. but there are two problems with ELO right now in Showdown
1. You can make new accounts freely, so ELO is totally meaningless.
2. Its been less than 7 days. ELO works on established games, but is completely meaningless on a brand new game.
3. A lot of the implementation has been totally and 100% wrong, sort of throws the whole thing out, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:00:43 No.52339483 Report

Quoted By: >>52339509

>>52339433
>0 SpD Landorus
Also Lando outspeeds max speed with less 80 speed evs
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rampardos: 450-530 (134.3 - 158.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:02:34 No.52339509 Report

Quoted By: >>52339767

>>52339483
>0 SpD Landorus
Obviously, who the fuck runs sp.d on Lando?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:02:37 No.52339510 Report

Quoted By: >>52339625

>>52339370
>Slaking hits way harder than Kartana
debatable, for once, kartana has double typing so more stab, also, slaking's stab can't hit anything for SE
>Slaking has an extensive movepool
agreed, but kartana can snowball far easier
>bulk and recovery with that atk
now that's a good argument to put slaking withou any ability in OU, particulary with facade, but we will see how ursaluna does in the near future, and they are fairly similar

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:05:02 No.52339546 Report

Quoted By: >>52339567

>>52337009
The reason 99% of singles discussion is for Smogon formats is because that's what 99% of singles players play. Smogon may be shit but cartridge singles is even worse and nigh everyone agrees, you have no one to blame but Gamefreak for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:06:36 No.52339567 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339546
because singles suck dick play a good forma smogonfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:08:21 No.52339599 Report

Quoted By: >>52339647 >>52339654 >>52340052

>>52338872
Regigigas without slow start has always been usable since prankster worry seed has been around and neutralizing gas regigigas wasn't a problem even with dynamax.
There are enough counterplays to Palafin that I was never even planning on using him. Palafin can get fucked by a focus sash Charcadet with will-o-wisp.
I'll shut up as soon as you contribute anything intelligent. Until then project harder and suck my nigger dick, retarded cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:10:25 No.52339625 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339510
>kartana has double typing so more stab, also, slaking's stab can't hit anything for SE
When you have 160 attack mixed with 100+ bp normal attacks you don't need more STAB, just a bit of coverage is enough. Also Slaking's godly coverage makes it an unpredictable tera candidate that's compatible with many types.
>but kartana can snowball far easier
Because of Beast Boost? Imagine what could Slaking do with a semi-decent ability then.
>we will see how ursaluna does in the near future
Ursaluna sucks in comparison. Guts is honestly an F-tier gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:11:26 No.52339647 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339599
>Regigigas without slow start has always been usable since prankster worry seed has been around and neutralizing gas regigigas wasn't a problem even with dynamax
see >>52339110

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:12:14 No.52339654 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339599
>Palafin can get fucked by a focus sash Charcadet with will-o-wisp
CB palafin was ok, taunt drain punch was what pushed it over to banworthy, so nope, unless somehow your charcadet has prankster

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:12:33 No.52339664 Report

Quoted By: >>52339688

>>52338932
False, I have a higher than required win rate and your decisions disagreed with mine. Keep lying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:13:34 No.52339680 Report

Quoted By: >>52339737

>>52338940
Except it is, you just can't dispute it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:14:25 No.52339688 Report

Quoted By: >>52339819

>>52339664
>False, I have a higher than required win rate
Then why are you posting here and not in the Smogon council?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:16:46 No.52339726 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338783
That change was from gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:17:38 No.52339737 Report

Quoted By: >>52339769 >>52339831

>>52339680
The emulator can perfectly replicate every pvp format of every Pokemon generation, and in addition it has extra formats like tiers and custom ones.
The only thing the actual games had over Showdown were pretty graphics and official tournaments. Now that SV is out Showdown graphics don't seem so bad in comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:19:06 No.52339767 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339509
Specially defensive Lando was overwhelmingly the most common set used towards the end of the SwSh metagame. If it was never updated in its setlists on Smogon, that's because the people who write and approve those things had largely thrown in the towel at that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:19:27 No.52339769 Report

Quoted By: >>52339826

>>52339737
>perfectly emulates
Oh where's Revival Blessing then? Or PLA meta with style support?
Or you know, half the mons not banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:23:01 No.52339819 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339688
You only think I'm not because you're the one with the low elo and can't see the posts

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:23:35 No.52339826 Report

Quoted By: >>52339958

>>52339769
>Oh where's Revival Blessing then?
Here
>Or you know, half the mons not banned
In the formats where they're not banned.
>Or PLA meta with style support?
That's not an official metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:24:02 No.52339831 Report

Quoted By: >>52339841

>>52339737
It can perfectly replicate them huh? Then why doesn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:24:37 No.52339841 Report

Quoted By: >>52339884

>>52339831
It does. You can play VGC on Showdown right now, isn't that amazing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:28:03 No.52339884 Report

Quoted By: >>52339910

>>52339841
False, I've tried it before, the shitty emulator doesn't reflect actual gameplay.
Being ignorant isn't an excuse for spreading false information

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:29:27 No.52339910 Report

Quoted By: >>52339999

>>52339884
The pokemon are the same, the moves, abilities and items are the same, the rules are the same, the calculations are the same.
The only differences are cosmetic.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:32:04 No.52339958 Report

Quoted By: >>52340010

>>52339826
Showdown currently has multiple issues with accurately emulating the cartridge, actually. In addition to Revival Blessing not being added yet, Rage Fist is has been broken - it was adding BP after hazard damage, poison damage, and even non-damaging status moves.
Also, the Paradox abilities were coded incorrectly for the first several days. They were giving a 1.5 boost to stats other than speed when it should have been 1.3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:34:24 No.52339999 Report

Quoted By: >>52340010

>>52339910
False again. We all know the calcs aren't the same. You were just informed that your ignorance isn't an excuse so now you're just lying. You don't play on cart because you lose on cart and that's your only reason. Have fun never going to a tournament because you know you can't win a single game on the real thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:34:56 No.52340010 Report

Quoted By: >>52340055 >>52340494 >>52340611

>>52339958
Some things are still being implemented and worked on, it's only natural since they're new and have been released all at once.
If you have a single honest bone in your body you'll admit that the games themselves are just as incomplete.

>>52339999
>We all know the calcs aren't the same
You and the voices in your head?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:37:24 No.52340052 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339599
That shit doesn’t apply to singles, and for doubles using Worry Seed and Neutralizing Gas is extremely easy to counter with basic Doubles tools. All you need to do is Fake Out the worry seed user and then target it with strong moves, and you can KO the Weezing pretty easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:37:26 No.52340055 Report

Quoted By: >>52340080

>>52340010
No voices in my head. Project harder. Everyone on your shitty website.
Have fun never taking part in an actual tournament and everyone knowing why you'll never give it a chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:38:48 No.52340080 Report

Quoted By: >>52340182 >>52340299

>>52340055
>Everyone on your shitty website
Cool, what's the thread called?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:46:05 No.52340182 Report

Quoted By: >>52340270

>>52340080
It's not just one thread. Keep playing dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:51:21 No.52340270 Report

Quoted By: >>52340350

>>52340182
It's just you and me here, what's the point of pretending you didn't make this shit up? We both know it and noone else is reading, the thread is about to 404.
The calculations in pokemon games are extremely simple and impossible to falsify.
Try this https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:52:50 No.52340299 Report

Quoted By: >>52340384

>>52340080
Why don't you know already? I thought you were on the OU council!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:56:35 No.52340350 Report

Quoted By:

>>52340270
It's not just you and me, retard, and that has nothing to do with what I just said anyway. Again, stop playing dumb.
Stop blaming me for your false deeds, you're the only one making shit up and everyone knows it. Yourself included, and I don't owe you a clear conscious. Feel bad about your lies.
Look at you, you can't even keep your story straight. We're not talking about the calcs in the actual pokemon game being easy to Calc and impossible to falsify, the point is your shitty emulator has false results regardless

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:58:49 No.52340384 Report

Quoted By: >>52340524

>>52340299
Unfortunately this topic only seems to show up on the forum when you don't take your meds.
>and I don't owe you a clear conscious
But you do owe me a link to the threads where this topic is discussed. That would shut me up for good!
>We're not talking about the calcs in the actual pokemon game being easy to Calc and impossible to falsify, the point is your shitty emulator has false results regardless
The calculator I linked is used both by VGC players and Showdown players for teambuilding. Results always match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:06:29 No.52340494 Report

Quoted By:

>>52340010
Geez anon, I didn't even say anything mean about them. The emulator is pretty damn good. It's just a fact that, currently, there are multiple significant issues with it. I'm sure they'll sort it out, but it is currently not accurate to say that Showdown "perfectly emulates" the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:08:06 No.52340524 Report

Quoted By: >>52340623

>>52340384
Nah you just intentionally ignore it and blame your ineptness on everyone else like always.
Just like you're projecting the fact that you don't take your meds onto me right now.
Since you continue to intentionally ignore all the false results already brought up in this thread (because you know they debunk your retarded lies) just look at any of the threads on errors, bugs and complaints.
There, you got pointed in the direction of the threads that even someone who doesn't play like yourself will see. And yet you're not actually going to shut up, are you?
Lying repeatedly doesn't magically make you right, VGC players don't use your calls for one. And again, stop playing stupid, that's three times now. You can clearly see I've been telling you the results in the games don't match the calcs, so you just look especially dishonest and stupid every time you reply to that with "durr look the calcs are here!!!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:13:43 No.52340611 Report

Quoted By: >>52340623

>>52340010
LMAO at the caught pathological liar trying to say someone else has to admit something to have an honest bone in their body.
The real games don't have pokemon with lower speed going first outside of trick room. Lie harder cuck. This is why it hurts you so bad when you get ridiculed and you just get laughed at harder when you try to lie and defend yourself, because you're pathetic and blame everyone else for your issues so you don't improve

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:14:17 No.52340623 Report

Quoted By: >>52340737

>>52340524
>>52340611
>another schizo rant with no source
It would be so easy to shut me up for good if only you posted a single source that proves your statement. Why don't you do it instead of double replying to my posts? Is it really that hard to find?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:21:16 No.52340737 Report

Quoted By: >>52341424

>>52340623
I gave you multiple sources, and it's not a rant. Keep blaming your problems on the people who tell you uncomfortable truths.
Thanks for admitting you're a liar, the sources are right there, and yet you didn't shut up. I called it.
Also nice lie about "double replying" too, I didn't reply to your comment multiple times.

Here are the sources again, so it's more obvious and hilarious when you cry and lie again.
Check out the entire section on errors, bugs, and complaints. That has some of what you're pretending doesn't exist.
Or you could also just try to play for yourself and find out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 00:01:29 No.52341424 Report

Quoted By:

>>52340737
>here are the sources again
not him but care to provide a link?

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