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God I want to round up this "OU Council" and shoot them all with a firing squad. They're a bunch of sticks in the mud who can't fathom the new meta being different than the old

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:20:30 No.52343010 Report

Quoted By: >>52343053 >>52343075 >>52343120 >>52347486

>>52342949
this is just fucking pitiful, can we finally make pokemon company buy smogon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:21:14 No.52343030 Report

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>>52342949
>nooo i have to use my brain now no please pexxx dont stall me this is so unf-ACK

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:22:15 No.52343046 Report

Quoted By: >>52344478

>Smogonfags buck broken now that stall is destroyed

fucking kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:22:16 No.52343047 Report

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>>52342997
Reminder that the OU council is just a clique with no actual gameplay requirement to join.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:22:31 No.52343053 Report

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>>52343010
>GF buying a self declared pe-do groomer forum
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:22:57 No.52343059 Report

Quoted By: >>52343160

>>52342973
Irony is that they'd have to ban Corvi too since Pressure on switchin means Recover is down to 4PP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:23:05 No.52343062 Report

Quoted By: >>52343082 >>52343204 >>52345410 >>52345459 >>52347660 >>52348580 >>52350683 >>52350842

>>52342949
Ok so I'm not a meta or smogon fag (dont even know what that means) and never play this game online, what the fuck is the point of doing this? Why ban pokemon you deem too powerful from the meta instead of working around them like in every single competitive game?
I understand maybe banning the new gimmicks, sure. But shit like this just makes it look like theyre trying to "shape" the meta to fit what they want

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:23:46 No.52343075 Report

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>>52343010
Its open source, why would anyone have to buy it? Besides, they could C+D them right now and theres nothing smogon could do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:24:00 No.52343082 Report

Quoted By: >>52343121 >>52343159

>>52343062
Go play AG and see how fun that is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:24:08 No.52343085 Report

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>>52342949
DUCKGODS WE MOVE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:24:46 No.52343097 Report

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>>52342949
He was too good for this world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:26:06 No.52343120 Report

Quoted By: >>52345376

>>52343010
If Game Freak was smart, haha yeah right, they'd revive the Stadium/Coliseum series and have it be effectively official Smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:26:08 No.52343121 Report

Quoted By: >>52343171

>>52343082
It's fun to wreck people with shitmons lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:27:15 No.52343140 Report

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>>52342949
>giving a shit about smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:27:54 No.52343154 Report

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>>52342949
>Iron Bundle is gone
Thank god

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:28:13 No.52343159 Report

Quoted By: >>52343200 >>52343208 >>52347357

>>52343082
I'll admit im just talking out of my ass and enjoy sitting in my little idiot corner with my cutesy flowery fairy pokemon but you have to admit banning whatever doesn't fit what you want to do in competitive play is a special kind of faggotry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:28:13 No.52343160 Report

Quoted By: >>52343568

>>52343059
why shitters that don't even play the game keep exposing themselves like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:28:40 No.52343171 Report

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>>52343121
How's 1100 ELO treating you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:29:41 No.52343188 Report

Quoted By: >>52349338

>>52342949
The less I have to look at this blood in my urine tier design the better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:29:48 No.52343192 Report

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>>52342949
>Banning the biggest hyper offense killer the game has ever seen
Based? Now it can’t taunt my Dragonite and 1v1 it anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:30:24 No.52343200 Report

Quoted By: >>52343648

>>52343159
Smogon tiers are balanced to give mons of different power levels ways to shine. Mons with too high a power level get moved up a tier.

You can still use it in ubers and AG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:30:25 No.52343201 Report

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>>52342949
>another "let's pretend Smogon is the ONLY comp format in existence" thread

lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:30:32 No.52343204 Report

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>>52343062
>working around them like in every single competitive game
Most, if not all competitive games, either nerf or ban OP things no ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:30:41 No.52343208 Report

Quoted By: >>52344138

>>52343159
That's how every competitive videogame is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:32:38 No.52343256 Report

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>>52342949
MY IRON BUNDLE NOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:35:10 No.52343297 Report

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>>52342949
Glad that people are finally realizing how busted Water/Ice STAB is when other Water types aren't a factor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:37:13 No.52343332 Report

Quoted By: >>52343400

>>52342949
FANFIC META IT'S A FUCKING JOKE LMFAAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:41:16 No.52343400 Report

Quoted By: >>52343767

>>52343332
>Needs broken mons to win
Timmy...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:49:09 No.52343568 Report

Quoted By: >>52343605

>>52343160
I'm right, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:51:04 No.52343605 Report

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>>52343568
Alright, I take it back. My bad.
Mandela effect at work, but I thought it worked on all moves for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:52:44 No.52343642 Report

Quoted By: >>52343663

>>52342997
>i wanna murder people playing a game how they want to
back to the psych ward

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:52:59 No.52343648 Report

Quoted By: >>52343704 >>52348172 >>52351371

>>52343200
Except Landorus, he gets to reign supreme as undisputed king of OU because of his versatility and totally not centralizing 44+% usage for the past 12 years.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:53:02 No.52343650 Report

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>>52342949
We did this song and dance before Smogon is and always will be trashed but luckly we do not have to play their shit fan fiction meta. Smogon knows Pokemon/GF keeps increasing the power scale of mons. This gen is the highest power scales has been with how so many mons are really strong.
Yet Smogon still refuses to create a proper tier between Uber/OU that is not OUBL. Smogon refuses to create a new balanced tier between OU & uber to ensure they can save their stall meta.
Cloyster exposed the hypocrisy that is Smogon banning systems who players should not even remotely get involved for how they protect their own sick taste.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:53:47 No.52343663 Report

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>>52343642
You first

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:56:11 No.52343704 Report

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>>52343648
Lando isn't very powerful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:57:24 No.52343726 Report

Quoted By: >>52343751

>>52342949
These fucking retards keep banning shit despite not even having fully functional mechanics implemented.
Not even their shit calculator is functional.
What a fucking joke.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:58:29 No.52343751 Report

Quoted By: >>52343770 >>52343947

>>52343726
>still can't use tailwind + windrider
I hate these faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:59:14 No.52343767 Report

Quoted By: >>52343803

>>52343400
56 BASE HP
60 SPDEF
How in the fuck is that broken?
This shit is little cup tier bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:59:23 No.52343770 Report

Quoted By: >>52343790 >>52343792

>>52343751
>AYO GIBS ME DAT PROGRAMMING FO FREE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:00:24 No.52343790 Report

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>>52343770
yes, lazy nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:00:34 No.52343792 Report

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>>52343770
>smogonfags spend all day claiming to be a 100% accurate gen 9 sim
>now this
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:01:05 No.52343803 Report

Quoted By: >>52344345 >>52347851

>>52343767
Yes, only bulky mons can be broken, Timmy. Maybe you would like ubers better since it has cool dragons and big numbers?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:03:09 No.52343839 Report

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The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:08:26 No.52343947 Report

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>>52343751
Windrider is literally just a +1 attack boost, that's all it does. You can just add it yourself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:11:12 No.52343999 Report

Quoted By: >>52344228

>>52342949
“And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this format. But the one thing they love more than a hero, is to see a hero be banned. restricted. OUBL. Inspite everything you have done to fight offense, they will hate you. Why bother?”

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:19:34 No.52344138 Report

Quoted By: >>52344271 >>52344357

>>52343208
Fighting game players, extreme platformers (Smash) notwithstanding, seem to take pride in just letting things play out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:21:31 No.52344165 Report

Quoted By: >>52344231 >>52344400

>>52342949
Palafin isn't even that fucking scary. Fuck Smogon and "top" players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:25:04 No.52344228 Report

Quoted By: >>52344334

>>52343999
I'm inside of your fucking green asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:25:08 No.52344231 Report

Quoted By: >>52344285

>>52344165
yeah i mean he only forces you not to leave in a pokemon that gets walled by a bulky water-type (lots of the dex) for one turn or he switches in and bulks up for free.
and you cant toxic because he gets taunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:27:04 No.52344271 Report

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>>52344138
Older fighting games have plenty of ban lists, and Fighting games have the advantage of having balance patches as well as devs who know what the fuck they are doing.
You’ll never see an actual balance patch for Pokemon because not only is it linked to a single player RPG, but the “balance patches” cost $30-$60 a pop.
And GameFreak clearly don’t know what the fuck they are doing if they make something like Dynamax and now the 2 new SV legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:27:58 No.52344285 Report

Quoted By: >>52344402

>>52344231
I always either oneshot it or wall it by taking advantage of terastralization and because of it's shit movepool. Skill issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:28:49 No.52344305 Report

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>>52342949
To all the people who said he'd be shit because his gimmick is predictable, apologize now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:29:53 No.52344334 Report

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>>52344228
Im not gay homo stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:30:40 No.52344345 Report

Quoted By: >>52344364

>>52343803
>Yes, only bulky mons can be broken,
Yes.
No pokemon that dies to a sneeze can ever be broken.

Hiro

Hiro Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:30:47 No.52344348 Report

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>smogon bans new mons
>keeps Landorus and those unbanned
>actually obeying smogon
kek
let me guess you prefer singles over doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:31:21 No.52344357 Report

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>>52344138
Fighting games have ten times more trannies than any other community, even Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:31:57 No.52344364 Report

Quoted By: >>52344779

>>52344345
Flutter Mane and SM Pheromosa

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:34:38 No.52344400 Report

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>>52344165
Compared to Regigigas:
HP: -10
Atk: +0
Def: -13
SpA: +26
SpD: -23
Spe: +0
Ability: Basically none
Gets Wave Crash, Close Combat, Liquidation, Bulk Up, Flip Turn, Jet Punch, Taunt, and Encore, none of which Regigigas as or something similar to, and if it did, it would be mostly Normal type stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:35:02 No.52344402 Report

Quoted By: >>52344433

>>52344285
>palafin
>shit movepool
That bastard gets like 500 different moves, you are extremely retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:35:30 No.52344414 Report

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>all this talk of fighting games
We need the undisputed king to weigh in

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:35:54 No.52344424 Report

Quoted By: >>52345765

They're going to ban cyclizar next lmao, look at the end of that post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:36:34 No.52344433 Report

Quoted By: >>52344462 >>52344507 >>52344513

>>52344402
What moves that aren't Water, Normal, Fighting, or Ice type moves does it get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:38:07 No.52344462 Report

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>>52344433
Not him but Zen Headbutt was run decently often on it for obvious reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:39:32 No.52344478 Report

Quoted By: >>52344521

>>52343046
Stall is cancer and I love the fact that GF made setting up sweeps so piss easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:41:31 No.52344507 Report

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>>52344433
Zen Headbutt and Iron Head, which basically lets it cover everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:41:46 No.52344513 Report

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>>52344433
Zen Headbutt, but it doesn't need any more than Water/Ice/Fighting/Psychic to blow away the whole tier because the moves it gets in those types are so obscenely good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:42:32 No.52344521 Report

Quoted By: >>52347241 >>52350719

>>52344478
Palafin is anti-HO though. Most things banned actually threaten offense way more.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:42:41 No.52344528 Report

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Why are they already banning shit? It's literally only been a week. Can't they at least give it a month?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:55:41 No.52344752 Report

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>>52342949
palafin is a fair ban
that shit is too strong for the incomplete scarlet/viloet dex
but with iron bundle is another issue, if you keep banning the stronger mons in the meta, you will ban everything than can be walled by toxa/gasto etc ect...
that is so boring and lame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:57:40 No.52344779 Report

Quoted By: >>52344897 >>52345564

>>52344364
0 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 242-288 (96.4 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Clefairy Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pheromosa: 290-344 (102.4 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I-Imposible! too broken!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:03:50 No.52344897 Report

Quoted By: >>52345102

>>52344779
wait so true it isnt like both those pokemon have 600 speed and will never give them a turn to attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:17:11 No.52345102 Report

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>>52344897
>Using fairy too hard
>Using Assault vest too hard
>I'm good at the game btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:22:42 No.52345199 Report

Quoted By: >>52345761

why not just play on cart
smogon can't control what happens on cart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:34:00 No.52345376 Report

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>>52343120
I thought of this as well. It's perfect: bill it as an evolving live service game as Creatures, Inc. finishes more models and adds new Pokemon in seasons, and then you can either directly port or optimize those models for the mainline games. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Game Freak and TPC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:35:59 No.52345410 Report

Quoted By: >>52345695

>>52343062

Yes let's go unban all the banned cards in YGO. See where that fucking goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:37:05 No.52345428 Report

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>>52342949
Why the fuck are they still not banned ? https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Maushold_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:37:09 No.52345429 Report

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>>52342997
Does this council even need to rank or play the metagame? There should be a requirement to be in there other than playing during gen 5. Also what happened to community voting? I just finished the game and half the new shit is already banned in OU.

Battle spot singles wins

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:38:51 No.52345459 Report

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>>52343062
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE TEAM I HAVE BEEN USING FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:45:03 No.52345564 Report

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>>52344779
252+ Atk Black Glasses Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mewtwo: 342-404 (96.8 - 114.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Rock Throw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 473-562 (133.9 - 159.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Groudon: 374-439 (109.6 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Gourgeist-Small Seed Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 320-378 (93.8 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rayquaza: 348-412 (99.1 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Aurorus Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Palkia: 360-424 (112.1 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 672-792 (117.2 - 138.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Black Glasses Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Lunala: 504-592 (121.1 - 142.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Black Glasses Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: 441-522 (131.6 - 155.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mold Breaker Tinkaton Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 364-432 (106.7 - 126.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Why is Smogon filled with Pussies who can’t adapt?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:53:34 No.52345695 Report

Quoted By: >>52348288

>>52345410
make the game more fun? i agree they should

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:57:21 No.52345761 Report

Quoted By:

>>52345199
Cart runs worse than the average alola mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:57:38 No.52345765 Report

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>>52344424
It's not broken but it's annoying to be forced to carry a sound move or two otherwise you're stuck with watching your opponent setup DD on you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:33:38 No.52347241 Report

Quoted By: >>52347547

>>52344521
But banning Flutter Mane and Iron Bundle was stupid as fuck, they can be beaten. Why ban those? Fuck those retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:40:51 No.52347357 Report

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>>52343159
Some bans are necessary to keep the game healthy.
Look at gen 2 OU, where Snorlax has 100% usage and the whole meta revolves around it, to see where not banning anything gets you.
But Smogon are being faggots for banning shit within the first week. The fact that we don't even know the mechanics fully, certain moves aren't properly coded into Showdown, and it's still using placeholder sprites should be enough evidence that it's too early to start banning so much shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:49:51 No.52347486 Report

Quoted By: >>52347632 >>52347793 >>52354181

>>52342949
>>52342997
>>52343010
>water-type slaking/regigigas
>drawback is virtually nonexistent
>60 BP stab priority move off of 160 base attack
>bulk up just for good measure
You guys aren't actually surprised, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:53:38 No.52347547 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347241
>banning flutter mane was stupid
it was easily the most banworthy, its stat spread and coverage is insane, it basically got a free kill or huge chip every time it came in. yeah okay you can use bullet punch or whatever, but who the fuck is going to keep their flutter mane in vs a mon that obviously has priority?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:57:08 No.52347598 Report

Quoted By: >>52347656 >>52350024

>Ban Flutter Mane
>instantly, the thing that Flutter Mane countered becomes overpowered
>ban that as well

>smoggies see absolutely 0 problems with this
>smoggies cannot see the future implications of this
>smoggies are physically incapable of recognizing the pattern that comes out of this, even after it's been happening for 14 years in a row

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:59:28 No.52347632 Report

Quoted By: >>52347668 >>52350593 >>52354232

>>52347486
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/power_creep

Things that would be overpowered previously may not be overpowered currently

Judge this pokemon off the standards of the current game, not whatever version of the game you have nostalgia for

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:01:06 No.52347656 Report

Quoted By: >>52347783

>>52347598
What did Flutter Mane counter that was just banned?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:01:13 No.52347659 Report

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>pokemon counters ClefPex
>gets banned

Very sad, many such cases

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:01:13 No.52347660 Report

Quoted By: >>52347728

>>52343062
Every game has a ban list. To make the games more fun and competitive

Yugioh has cards that are banned and limited
Smash has had characters and many stages banned. Even banned items and final smashes

And thats just to name a few.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:01:51 No.52347668 Report

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>>52347632
Anon, don’t be a fucking retard. This thing is leagues better than most of Gen 9.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:02:31 No.52347683 Report

Quoted By: >>52347759 >>52347848

How much shit have the smoggies banned compared to the actual Worlds tournaments? I'm not a metafag so I don't pay attention to this shit, but Smogon seems horrifically trigger-happy. The game literally just came out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:04:07 No.52347716 Report

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These faggots really love stall and not thinking up ways top counter specific pokemon don't they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:04:43 No.52347728 Report

Quoted By: >>52347772 >>52347864 >>52347907

>>52347660
Remember that time that Pro Play Games tried to host a custom banlist tournament for Yugioh, where Halqifibrax and Block Dragon were banned- and rightfully got laughed out of the room, because it was a horrible fucking idea that would splinter the playerbase and make the game worse?

Remember the time that Smash tournaments tried to ban Bayonetta, Meta Knight, or Hero, and immediately got laughed out of the room, because it was a terrible fucking idea that would split the playerbase and make the game worse?

Remember the time where Pokemon players tried to make a fanfic banlist, and have never managed to have a competitive singles tournament have any actual traction for 14 years straight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:05:30 No.52347744 Report

Quoted By: >>52347774

I really don’t understand people itt complaining about these so-called bans. Why not play AG? Sounds like your type of jam?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:06:31 No.52347759 Report

Quoted By: >>52347822

>>52347683
Vgc doesn't care about OU balance. They play a format where you can bring legendaries, which is comparable to smogons Uber tier.

And the reason why OU is played over ubers is because ubers is just legendary fest, and most of everyone's favorite pokemon don't stand a chance against ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:07:08 No.52347772 Report

Quoted By: >>52347845

>>52347728
there have been ubers tournaments and they have about the same or less traction than ou ones so i’m not sure why you are trying to imply that having a banlist = failure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:07:17 No.52347774 Report

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>>52347744
they complain about bans they find arbitrary but then when you tell them to go play ag all of a sudden they go "no i dont want to play with legendaries! no i dont want to fight people using more than one of a mon" as if those arent also arbitrary rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:07:55 No.52347783 Report

Quoted By: >>52347804 >>52347820 >>52347932 >>52348100 >>52348154 >>52348212

>>52347656
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Thunder vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Palafin: 452-534 (132.5 - 156.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:08:18 No.52347793 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347486
shut the fuck up sheep

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:09:16 No.52347804 Report

Quoted By: >>52347886 >>52348122

>>52347783
and you are just assuming palafin is going to sit there and take a hit instead of using its priority 60bp stab physical move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:09:48 No.52347820 Report

Quoted By: >>52348122

>>52347783
Doesn't jet punch ohko flutter? +1 definitely does

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:09:54 No.52347822 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347759
Not necessarily true. The power dynamics in vgc is a bit more different. Also it has limitations like using current dex mons without legendaries, etc. It depends on the ruleset.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:11:21 No.52347845 Report

Quoted By: >>52347917 >>52348000 >>52348054 >>52348303 >>52348870 >>52349372

>>52347772
>Smoggies get BTFO
>Deliberately misinterpret what the other person is saying in order to try and weasel away some dignity

Very sad, many such cases.

Yugioh has a banlist. It is maintained and decided by the people that make the game. When people tried to make a fanmade version of this banlist, it was a terrible idea and everyone laughed the propogators of it out of the room.

Smash has a banlist, also known as For Glory. It is maintained by people who make the game. When smash players tried to adjust the banlist for their own gain (i.e banning Bayo, Meta Knight, or Hero), they were laughed out of the room for it being a terrible idea.

Pokemon has a banlist, also known as VGC restrictions. It is maintained by people who made the game. When fans tried to make their own fan-made banlist, it completely destroyed an entire competitive scene for 14 years in a row.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:11:24 No.52347848 Report

Quoted By: >>52347879 >>52350757

>>52347683
vgc doesnt ban anything but mythical pokemon (which is retarded considering event moves are allowed which are just as rare to get, and its not like mythical pokemon are actually any stronger in practice so the argument that theyre banned for strength reasons is stupid.) you also have item clause and you gotta have the battle ready symbol or whatever so no transfer moves (which is irrelevant now considering you cant transfer moves at all, for competitive or otherwise.) as a result, vgc is far more centralized than singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:11:37 No.52347851 Report

Quoted By:

>>52343803
Nta but Ubers is just diet OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:12:38 No.52347864 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347728
The Hero ban did happen in Australia but only for a short while. That's the region that got a K. Rool as a winner though so yeah it's laughable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:13:40 No.52347879 Report

Quoted By: >>52347960

>>52347848
Try actually playing in vgc anon. They always change the banlist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:14:15 No.52347886 Report

Quoted By: >>52347971

>>52347804
252+ Atk Palafin Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 204-240 (81.2 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:15:42 No.52347907 Report

Quoted By: >>52348014

>>52347728
Pokemon has always had a split playerbase because smogon had the rulesets before vgc created official events

Same with smash. That's why when Nintendo tried to host a smash tourney with items they got laughed at.

So if smash can be a fan run community. Why can't pokemon. Especially since smogon has much more longevity than vgc. Plus also since vgc deals with double battles and smogon is singles. You have 2 distinct player bases anyway. I wouldn't call it split as they are 2 different game modes. That aren't fighting for the same player base.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:16:21 No.52347917 Report

Quoted By: >>52348014

>>52347845
so you are saying that when the developers abuse their position and funds to entice people with prestige and/or money, people will irrationally choose them over fanmade metagames with zero endorsement and money? makes sense i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:16:42 No.52347925 Report

Quoted By:

>it's another episode of /vp/ pretending to know what the fuck they're talking about when they most likely haven't played a single game of SV OU
why does smogon still make people shit blood at the mere sight of a ban?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:17:11 No.52347932 Report

Quoted By: >>52348122

>>52347783
>misses thunder

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:19:22 No.52347960 Report

Quoted By: >>52348569

>>52347879
They allow restricteds sometimes and they had one format where they banned certain mons based on usage but it wasn't a Worlds format or a format where anything important was being run so who the fuck cares. The last Gen 8 series was anything goes. You're not going to see something like Incineroar or Thundurus get banned like you would in Smogon. The most you'll get is them UNBANNING stuff or not including it in the dex next gen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:19:36 No.52347964 Report

Quoted By: >>52347978 >>52348850

>>52342949
>"I'll avenge you great caped crusader!~"
>"Better look out baddies, the Bonker comes for you!~"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:20:18 No.52347971 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347886
ah so it dies to +1 or a good chance with funny rocks, good to know, what a great counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:20:50 No.52347978 Report

Quoted By: >>52348018

>>52347964
>UU shitmon
nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:22:37 No.52348000 Report

Quoted By: >>52348052 >>52353231

>>52347845
What competitive scene did Smogon destroy? 6v6 singles was not an established competitive format before Smogon (who apparently started in 2004, which was more than 14 years ago.) If you're talking about VGC, it didn't destroy that either because people play the fuck out of VGC. If anything fucked VGC over in the early days, it was Game Freak and Nintendo not providing any prizes for their own fucking tournaments

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:23:23 No.52348014 Report

Quoted By: >>52348074 >>52348114 >>52348140

>>52347917
>Smoggies get BTFO
>Deliberately misinterpret what the other person is saying in order to try and weasel away some dignity

Very sad, many such cases.

Professional game designers understand more about game balance than you. If you can understand that, you'll actually have a game that MIGHT get a competiive playerbase going.

>>52347907
>Same with smash. That's why when Nintendo tried to host a smash tourney with items they got laughed at.

That's a very weird way to say "nintendo bailed on the scene because everyone in it was revealed to be a pedophile"

>So if smash can be a fan run community. Why can't pokemon. Especially since smogon has much more longevity than vgc.

Because if you make massive, sweeping changes to a ruleset on a regular basis, it splits the community, reduces player counts, and makes your game less enjoyable to watch or play. This has been proven time and time again. If this methodology has failed the Pokemon community for fourteen years, why are you still trying it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:23:37 No.52348018 Report

Quoted By: >>52348028

>>52347978
>Anywhere above untiered
75

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:24:26 No.52348028 Report

Quoted By: >>52348042

>>52348018
anon I like to shitpost too but that typing isn't letting it touch anything other than UU or RUBL at worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:25:49 No.52348042 Report

Quoted By: >>52348058 >>52348075 >>52348091

>>52348028
>that typing
What tier is mawile again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:26:41 No.52348052 Report

Quoted By: >>52348121 >>52348198

>>52348000
>What competitive scene did Smogon destroy?

Singles.

>6v6 singles was not an established competitive format before Smogon

It isn't one now, either, because people insist on splitting the banlist every five minutes on the whims of a minority of scrubs.

Despite being the literal most profitable and popular franchise in human history, Pokemon Singles is non-existant competitively because the fanbase insists on splintering itself every few weeks. Smogon's anti-competitive mindset is exactly what causes this to happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:26:43 No.52348054 Report

Quoted By: >>52348087

>>52347845
Smash fans created the whole ruleset
>no stage hazards
>no items
>3 to 4 lives
None of that was chosen by Nintendo. Also smash only became a popular game because of fans, as Nintendo insisted it was just a party game and went way out of their way to hold the series back from being played at major tournaments.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:26:54 No.52348055 Report

Quoted By: >>52348088

>>52342949
Why does anyone care what the Smogon community does? It's not like everyone plays by their rules.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:26:57 No.52348058 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348042
untiered because it's not in scarlet and violet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:27:41 No.52348067 Report

Quoted By:

>retards STILL think dolphinman threatens stall instead of hyper offense
If you don't even play the game why comment on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:28:13 No.52348074 Report

Quoted By: >>52348106

>>52348014
>doesn’t have an argument
>just repeats the previous deflection but without even any counterpoint this time
haha, concession accepted

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:28:20 No.52348075 Report

Quoted By: >>52348126

>>52348042
Mawile is fragile and slow, Tinkaton isn't, she'll be played as a defensive support similar to Clefable without Soft-Boiled and Magic Guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:29:12 No.52348087 Report

Quoted By: >>52348140 >>52348175

>>52348054
https://www.nintendo.com.au/tournaments/ssbu-aunz-open-winter-2022

https://www.nintendo.com.au/tournaments/ssbu-aunz-open-spring-2022

https://www.nintendo.com.au/tournaments/ssbu-aunz-open-spring-2022/official-rules-spring

Smoggies posting lies that are disproven by a single moment of research? Who would've guessed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:29:13 No.52348088 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348055
People who whine about Smogon on /vp/ don't play anything, they just choose a boogeyman and rile each other up against it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:29:19 No.52348091 Report

Quoted By: >>52348126

>>52348042
tinkaton can actually do steel type damage and has solid utility/better bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:29:48 No.52348100 Report

Quoted By: >>52348122

>>52347783
>Palafin used Jet Punch
>Thunder missed
>Palafin terastalized to not be weak to electric
>Palafin switched out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:30:37 No.52348106 Report

Quoted By: >>52348148

>>52348074
>literally cannot read a rebuttal, even after willfully misinterpreting what someone says
>twice
>in a row

I accept your concession.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:31:05 No.52348112 Report

Quoted By:

Mwee hee hee hee! EEEEEVIL wins yet again!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:31:06 No.52348114 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348014
>Professional game designers understand more about game balance than you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:31:42 No.52348121 Report

Quoted By: >>52348177

>>52348052
so are you going to provide any proof that backs up your claim that smogon’s anti-competitive mindset caused your alleged lack of tournament success instead of, i don’t know, something equally outlandish such as pedos or a new world order out to oppress smogon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:31:47 No.52348122 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347804
>>52347820
>>52347932
>>52348100

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:32:09 No.52348126 Report

Quoted By: >>52348164 >>52348999 >>52350179

>>52348075
>>52348091
What niche does Tinkaton fill exactly? I need an example set.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:33:42 No.52348140 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348014
>>52348087
Again. Who created the ruleset. Who turned smash into a competitive game. It was the fans way back in the melee Era. Any Nintendo event today, is them piggybacking off a community that was created without them

Why don't you post Nintendo removing smash from evo? Which is the biggest fighting game tourney in the world.

And what does Nintendo host for comparison? A shitty online tourney where you get 50 Nintendo points and a cup

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:34:00 No.52348148 Report

Quoted By: >>52348190

>>52348106
in what way have i misinterpreted your argument? you haven’t even made your claim yet revel in its nonexistent success
>i-it’s a misinterpretation because it just is OKAY???
lmfao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:34:13 No.52348154 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347783
Revenge Killing =/= Counter
Especially not when said thing its trying to revenge kill has a 60 BP Priority move off 160 Atk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:34:44 No.52348164 Report

Quoted By: >>52348259

>>52348126
Why don't you go to bulbapedia for that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:35:40 No.52348172 Report

Quoted By:

>>52343648
Landorus is easy to deal with in OU. It has very low special defense, very strong weaknesses, no recovery, no flying STAB.
The reason why everyone uses it is that it's very versatile and can be used for many different roles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:35:46 No.52348175 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348087
>anon makes a post claiming that fans created the competitive scene first long before nintendo
>retard posts current year official tournaments as counterpoint
???

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:36:08 No.52348177 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348121
>every single other playerbase that has attempted a "fanmade banlist" has had it go up in flames because it was a fucking terrible idea that splintered a playerbase for no good reason
>pokemon's "competitive scene" is entirely based on this idea of a fan-curated ruleset
>it completely languishes for 14 years
>pokemon makes an official, professionaly-curated banlist by actual game designers
>competitive scene explodes in both participation, viewership, and relevance

Do you need a peer-reviewed study to be "proof", then?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:36:31 No.52348179 Report

Quoted By:

>>52342949
>you lived long enough to see a form of delibird get quick banned from OU
What a time to be alive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:37:36 No.52348190 Report

Quoted By: >>52348248 >>52348265

>>52348148
>professional game designers do a better job of maintaining game balance than butthurt fans
>S-SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT GAME DESIGNERS BRIBE PEOPLE TO PLAY THEIR SHITTY FORMATS!????

I accept your concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:38:01 No.52348198 Report

Quoted By: >>52348247

>>52348052
Singles is "non-existent competitively" (despite having an extremely active community of players for a decade and a half) because it's not the official format, you retard. The fanbase isn't "splintering itself" because people aren't dropping Singles in any capacity after a ban, nobody is making any alternate formats because they're sick of Smogon, nothing indicating a splintering of a community is occurring.
Also Pokemon's success has nothing to do with competitive lmao, well over 90% of people who buy Pokemon games don't even touch the actual supported competitive format, much less 6v6 singles (which would be unofficial grassroots formats regardless of who's running it.) You're not going to get 10,000 participants or whatever in a 6v6 singles tournament, period, no matter what rules or lack thereof you run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:38:41 No.52348208 Report

Quoted By: >>52348225

Nice stallgon is back baby, about to take my stall team for some sweet 600 turn matches and farm some elo. All that's missing is my bro Landrous-T

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:39:05 No.52348212 Report

Quoted By: >>52348262 >>52348335

>>52347783
252+ Atk Life Orb palafin Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 265-312 (105.5 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:40:31 No.52348225 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348208
>All that's missing is my bro Landrous-T
Landorus is not a stall pokemon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:42:00 No.52348247 Report

Quoted By: >>52348283

>>52348198
>The fanbase isn't "splintering itself" because people aren't dropping Singles in any capacity after a ban, nobody is making any alternate formats because they're sick of Smogon, nothing indicating a splintering of a community is occurring.

lol

lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:42:06 No.52348248 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348190
>professional game designers do a better job of maintaining game balance than butthurt fans
how? in what way? this is what i mean by you haven't even made a single claim or counterpoint. you point to their... i don't even know what metric you use to measure success because you never said it (lol) - visibility? view count? in a disingenuous attempt to claim that they balance their metagames better when tournament success can happen from any number of factors that have completely nothing to do with a healthy and well-balanced metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:43:16 No.52348259 Report

Quoted By: >>52348308 >>52348320

>>52348164
I want to know what set (you) had in mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:43:27 No.52348262 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348212
Even just terastilize water and you'll ohko.

Specs flutter has to be the worst "counter" to palafin ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:43:36 No.52348265 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348190
because a tournament that pays out 0 dollars over a tournament that pays our 25,000 dollars are clearly able to be judged equally

moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:45:33 No.52348283 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348247
>he thinks people are dropping out of singles to play the funny novelty formats
Everyone who plays hackmons also plays normal singles formats

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:46:10 No.52348288 Report

Quoted By:

>>52345695
every game is decided by whoever plays painful choice first

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:47:40 No.52348303 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347845
>VGC banned shitmons mythicals but allowed Zacian
I don't know if they know their game either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:48:39 No.52348308 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348259
There is none because it's shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:49:27 No.52348320 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348259
I told you, defensive support similar to Clefable but without Soft-Boiled and Magic Guard, I'm not going to tell you my plan on how I'm going use her just for (you) build against it..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:49:38 No.52348322 Report

Quoted By:

>nooooooo i can't clear 1200 without my 650 bst crutch!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:49:50 No.52348324 Report

Quoted By: >>52348333 >>52348339 >>52348346 >>52348350 >>52348381 >>52348395 >>52356317

WHY is Iron Bundle banned?
Because it beats Landorus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:50:39 No.52348333 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348324
Landorus isn't even in the game yet retard-sama. It beats pretty much everything else tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:50:42 No.52348335 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348212
My HERO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:51:02 No.52348339 Report

Quoted By: >>52348368

>>52348324
If you read the ban justification post the only reason they banned it was because it killed toxapex, not even kidding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:51:36 No.52348346 Report

Quoted By: >>52348365 >>52348408 >>52348425 >>52349148 >>52351223 >>52351234

>>52348324
Part of their reasoning is that nothing resists Water + freeze dry, however boltbeam is fine :D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:51:56 No.52348350 Report

Quoted By: >>52348541

>>52348324
>STAB Freeze Dry and Hydro Pump
>Outspeeds almost everything
>Has 124 Sp. Att to back it up
It's made of wet tissue paper but it's a hilarious sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:52:59 No.52348365 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348346
How many pokemon are running STAB boltbeam off of 124 SpA and 136 speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:53:11 No.52348368 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348339
It says nothing about Toxapex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:53:50 No.52348379 Report

Quoted By: >>52348401 >>52348441 >>52348473

Is Annihiliape so good they had to vote for possible ban? What makes it so good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:53:52 No.52348381 Report

Quoted By: >>52348393

>>52348324
It kills toxapex, duh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:54:01 No.52348383 Report

Quoted By: >>52348396

Toxapex is garbage right now but it's still living rent-free in /vp/'s head

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:54:28 No.52348393 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348381
It kills lots of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:54:35 No.52348395 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348324
because he outspeeds the entire metagame and it's STAB combo literally cannot be resisted

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:54:38 No.52348396 Report

Quoted By: >>52348414 >>52348426 >>52348456

>>52348383
It's a meme you hyperliteral autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:55:01 No.52348401 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348379
Rage Fist is a very stupid move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:55:20 No.52348408 Report

Quoted By: >>52348419 >>52348438 >>52351223

>>52348346
yeah because there are super fast and strong ice/electric pokemon running around

wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:56:03 No.52348414 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348396
>I was just pretending to be retarded!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:56:16 No.52348419 Report

Quoted By: >>52348438

>>52348408
Electric/Ice doesn't resist Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:56:34 No.52348425 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348346
there's a good number of pokemon that resist boltbeam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:56:34 No.52348426 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348396
Plenty of anons hyperliterally seethe about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:56:47 No.52348430 Report

Quoted By:

Iron Treads grows ever more powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:56:54 No.52348433 Report

Quoted By:

Stall is the hot new(?) shit in current OU, I'm on a 3 game winning streak in the last 3 hours(yes it's taken that long to win 3 matches)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:57:24 No.52348438 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348419
>>52348408
wait i am retarded i read that wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:57:44 No.52348441 Report

Quoted By: >>52348460 >>52348469 >>52348502 >>52348535

>>52348379
>Rage Fist Starts at 50, but gets 50 power every time it gets hit and caps at 300
>Ghost/Fighting is another unresistable STAB combo
>Good all around stats
I don't think he's that good, but you could get some ridiculous sweeps going if you swap in at the right time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:58:44 No.52348456 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348396
so is complaining about lando-t also a time-honored /vp/ 'meme'? i see, meme is just another word for hot-button topic!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:58:54 No.52348460 Report

Quoted By: >>52348467 >>52348535

>>52348441
you forgot to mention that the boost doesn't reset if Annihilape switches out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:59:23 No.52348467 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348460
Oh wow that I didn't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:59:29 No.52348469 Report

Quoted By: >>52348474

>>52348441
In showdown it doesn't work properly(or didn't), it's supposed to be getting hit by attacks but it gets powered up by every time it takes damage from anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:00:14 No.52348473 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348379
he punishes pivots + great offensive stabs
i don't think he will be banned anyway, it's just a bit of hot air

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:00:28 No.52348474 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348469
That sounds more like a Showdown problem rather than an issue with Annihilape. Maybe they should fix their spaghetti code.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:03:13 No.52348502 Report

Quoted By: >>52348516 >>52348533

>>52348441
Even getting hit just once gives you a free 100BP move, and it doesnt reset on switch or faint. It's not hard to take a couple hits with Annihilape's solid defensive profile. Even getting hit just twice gives you 100% accuracy Giga Impact with no drawback.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:04:11 No.52348516 Report

Quoted By: >>52348520

>>52348502
This sounds like it'd be an issue for Landorus-T, better ban it now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:04:46 No.52348520 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348516
haha! well-memed my friend!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:05:25 No.52348533 Report

Quoted By: >>52348561

>>52348502
You couldn't even be cheeky and swap in a normal type to ignore it because that's just begging to get a Close combat to the face.

Terrifying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:05:31 No.52348535 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348441
>>52348460
Nice, I have Annihiliape in my ingame team when I caught Adamant Primeape who was quick tempered
It was a sign

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:06:27 No.52348541 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348350
Only specially, that thing has rotom-wash physical bulk.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:07:44 No.52348561 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348533
>MY TIME HAS COME

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:08:42 No.52348569 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347960
... anon it's called seasonal rules. It's not something they do on a whim. It's not "unbanning".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:09:43 No.52348575 Report

Quoted By: >>52348592 >>52351884

>all these people bitching about houndstone and annihilape because of their moves
Am I the only one that remembers pic related exists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:09:56 No.52348580 Report

Quoted By:

>>52343062
It's a self fulfilling prophecy. People can only vote if their good, ergo people will only vote for policies that will cement their place, not what's fun or balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:11:10 No.52348592 Report

Quoted By: >>52348610 >>52348614 >>52348627 >>52348631

>>52348575
>NOOO YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE FORCED TO BRING A TYPE TO A TEAM
Actually come to think of it what's even a good normal type to use in this gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:12:17 No.52348606 Report

Quoted By: >>52348616

In Gen 27, Pokemon could have an ability that turns your console into a gun to shot you with real bullets every time a non-water type switches in (this also kills the Pokemon with perma death). Smogon would take 2 weeks to decide if they should take action, do a 2 week suspect, and then when the ability is banned, people on /vp/ will somehow believe the suspect test/ban was part of the Stall Agenda somehow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:12:40 No.52348610 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348592
Dunsparce with eviolite and serene grace, but thankfully people haven't caught up yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:12:55 No.52348614 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348592
Blissey? Idk if he's actually good, but maushold is kind of memey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:12:59 No.52348616 Report

Quoted By: >>52348634 >>52348635

>>52348606
>if (headcanon)
Lmao I bet you thought this was such a smaart post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:13:53 No.52348627 Report

Quoted By: >>52351900

>>52348592
H-Zoroark has great typing and moveset though it's made of glass. They're banning most sweepers with over 100 base speed though so maybe it'll see some play if they don't ban it too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:14:14 No.52348631 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348592
Uh..... Tera Normal Dragonite? Cyclizar (not that it's going to do anything back)? Blissey? None of these actually really beat the dog or the monkey tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:14:18 No.52348634 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348616
It’s not headcanon. This legitemately happens in the future.
Be on the look out for Kenya West being assassinated in 2027 btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:14:26 No.52348635 Report

Quoted By: >>52348687

>>52348616
I don't see you replying with this to the anons talking about Landorus in a meta where it doesn't even exist yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:18:59 No.52348687 Report

Quoted By: >>52348701

>>52348635
>yet
The wait is killing me. I want my 80% usage rate pokemon and I want it now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:20:26 No.52348701 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348687
Lando will be the same as always. He doesn't even benefit from tera

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:29:08 No.52348802 Report

Quoted By:

>The real villain was palafin
>Not scovillain

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:32:52 No.52348850 Report

Quoted By: >>52348909

>>52347964
>Tinkaton
>>Ally of justice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:34:30 No.52348870 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347845
smash is literally the opposite of what you're trying to prove. fan-made rules dictated the way people played for years and even began to effect how made their own rules for the game. you're not even correct as meta knight was banned, hero was never seriously considered for a ban by 90% of people (and when he was it was for reasons like very heavy RNG and a potential language barrier issue), and bayonetta was seriously considered for being banned.

when it comes to rulesets/fan-made rulesets whether or not something takes off is entirely up to how much support a company does for their own game and how.
Yu-gi-oh got support pretty early on, with the game creators keeping up with the way the game was changing (and how to respond) constantly so theres no fan-made ruleset really took off because there was never a need for one.
Smash is the opposite because it wasn't officially supported for competitive for a very long time (and not seriously supported for much longer) so a fan-made ruleset was implemented because there was nothing official to take from.
Pokemon is in a strange position because it wasn't always officially supported competitively and when it was it was it wasn't what most people would play (or the main format the main games would use) which is 6v6, so its in a weird middle ground where there is nothing official to completely fill what everyone wants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:36:45 No.52348893 Report

Quoted By: >>52348932 >>52348960

Why do people even listen to these fags?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:37:50 No.52348909 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348850
She's an Anti-Hero like Harley Quinn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:37:52 No.52348910 Report

Quoted By: >>52349039

>"Ice types suck, they're all slow and defensive!"
>Make fast and strong Ice type
>It immediately gets banned
it keeps happening

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:40:13 No.52348932 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348893
Because singles is only fun with bans and restrictions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:42:38 No.52348960 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348893
its skill expression when the game is balanced
matching kids vs adults for soccer obviously isn't going to be fair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:45:38 No.52348999 Report

Quoted By: >>52349021

>>52348126
It really doesn't have one.
I think it's supposed to be a wallbreaker, but stall isn't enough of a menace this gen to warrant it.
It feels like it came a gen too late. Although with only one strong move and 75 attack, I somehow doubt it could've been good even last gen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:47:19 No.52349021 Report

Quoted By: >>52349175

>>52348999
One overpowered move is enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:49:23 No.52349039 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348910
almost like every fast sweeper ice-type is hitler commanding his troops through europe because as an offensive type it rapes ass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:51:13 No.52349065 Report

Quoted By: >>52349353

Kek!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:57:23 No.52349148 Report

Quoted By: >>52351916

>>52348346
What gets STAB on boltbeam?
Rotom-Frost? Which has to compete for a party slot with its other forms, needs HDB, and is slow, which doesn't help its weak defensive typing? Not to mention the fact that it can't even learn Ice Beam?
Arctozolt? Which is even slower, entirely reliant on hail, is forced to run mixed sets and HDB, and still managed to be UUBL with a decent OU niche last gen despite all of that?
And neither of them have 124 SpA, 165 Speed, and an ability that either grants a consequence-free Life Orb or Choice Scarf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:00:16 No.52349175 Report

Quoted By: >>52349290

>>52349021
160 BP + STAB with a 1-turn cooldown
>170 BP + STAB + Strong Jaw + potentially rain with no cooldown

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:09:09 No.52349290 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349175
Same concept in different scales.
Both pokemon will never use anything other than their signature move.
The main difference is that Dracovish is meant to sweep while Tinkaton switches in, wrecks something and switches out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:12:52 No.52349338 Report

Quoted By: >>52349396

>>52343188
To be honest, ya. Finizen got utterly destroyed with its evo, design-wise. It so ugly and Paldea has a lot of uggos, which says a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:13:53 No.52349353 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349065
Scorvillainchads, rise!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:14:31 No.52349363 Report

Quoted By: >>52349410

So why are you crying when you can use the dolphin in ubers? It's not like you can't use it at all, go play ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:15:07 No.52349372 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347845
Posts like yours make all anti smogonfags seem so retarded that I wonder if you are falseflagging

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:16:19 No.52349396 Report

Quoted By: >>52349594

>>52349338
Your opinion would be different if you didn't have such low T

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:17:21 No.52349410 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349363
Do you really believe that the people complaining about this actually play the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:25:46 No.52349492 Report

Quoted By: >>52349512 >>52349532 >>52349568

i have extremely little knowledge of competitive so excuse me for being a huge retard but why is smogon being shit such a huge issue? can't you go to some other group that isn't shit or just go online? do they seriously have that much of a monopoly on the playerbase and competitive as a whole?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:26:29 No.52349499 Report

Quoted By: >>52349564

Reminder that ubers are currently OU+Koraidon and Miraidon

SV OU is UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:27:43 No.52349512 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349492
Because smogon has the authority on every fan made group outside your small group of friends battling for fun. And also smogon rules make the game more fun in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:29:17 No.52349532 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349492
you don't even have to go to another group. smogon literally offers formats that has no rules (ag) or less rules (ubers). all this whining makes zero sense because smogon has a variety of different metagames for everyone and doesn't force you to play ou where these bans actually take place

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:33:27 No.52349564 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349499
oh for sure I will play in a gamemode with Flutter Mane and the two box legends

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:34:29 No.52349568 Report

Quoted By: >>52350839

>>52349492
They're the only real 6v6 singles community out there, but no, nothing is forcing you to use their rules. You can just play on cartridge and nobody can force you to use their rules. Of course, most of the people on /vp/ who let Smogon live rent free in their heads not only don't play Smogon, but don't play VGC, don't play Battle Spot Singles, and don't even play 6v6 on cart. You don't even have to play by Smogon's rules on Pokemon Showdown, they have Anything Goes which is exactly the same thing as playing 6v6 on cartidge because there's no official 6v6 ladder on cart; it's all friendly matches. They won't play AG though because they don't want to follow Smogon's rules that they deem arbitrary but then want their own arbitrary rules like no Legendaries despite that also being unenforcable on cart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:35:46 No.52349582 Report

Quoted By: >>52349625

korraidon wouldnt even be that broken. flutter mane is far more disgusting than that thing
>Dragon/fighting/fire coverage
Thick Fat Azumarill used exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:37:48 No.52349594 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349396
Boohoo. I don't care if they want to make it a buff dolphin kind of superhero but do it nicely, as in design it better than this shit-looking hero.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:39:41 No.52349605 Report

Quoted By:

>>52342997
palafin is out of this world broken and its fucked up how didnt get instantly quickbanned on the first wave

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:42:16 No.52349625 Report

Quoted By: >>52351221

>>52349582
>free sun + intrepid sword as long as sun is out
>135 attack/speed
>signature move that does more damage if its super effective, with a type that is tied for hitting the most other types super-effectively
>not that broken
come on now that shit would rip OU in half

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:42:48 No.52349632 Report

Quoted By: >>52349744

just wait for tangrowth and other bulky grasstypes to come back lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:54:00 No.52349744 Report

Quoted By: >>52350030 >>52350096

>>52349632
i am pretty sure tangrowth will just be bulk up fodder, maybe somebody else

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:07:27 No.52349876 Report

Quoted By: >>52350209 >>52350573

>NOOOOOOO Rage Fist is broken! It’s not our fault for relying on water, ice, and dark attackers!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:20:11 No.52350024 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347598
>Oppressive element of the meta is banned
>Other broken element of the meta rises in prominence because the more broken element is banned

Literally just a thing that can happen in any competitive gameplay environment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:20:22 No.52350030 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349744
Jellicent walls all sets except for specs and tera blast variants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:25:17 No.52350096 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349744
Actually, tangrowth would be pretty good against it, giga drain is a clean 2HKO with rocky helmet damage, and focus blast means that you beat tera steel palafin in theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:32:07 No.52350179 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348126
it could have been clef 2.0 if it had recovery but right now it's just too weak, that being said it maybe good in doubles due to its typing, access to a (weak) brutal swing to activate WP, a fake out that bypasses inner focus thanks to mold breaker and a couple of support moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:34:26 No.52350204 Report

Quoted By:

The guy talking about the PPG banlist for yugioh is just making shit up
They created that ban-list because Konami wouldn't release a real banlist during covid. PPG was the main tourney hoster at the time, and they did it so that people would actually see decks that weren't Adamancipator and Eldlich on stream. It wasn't "shat on by the whole community", many people still played the tourneys and it was a cool little alt-format for a while.
That and people love playing with fan-made rules. There's a reason why progression, cubing, common charity, etc and other meme formats have been rising in popularity so much lately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:34:43 No.52350209 Report

Quoted By: >>52350229 >>52350239

>>52349876
are they gonna ban primo blanco?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:36:20 No.52350229 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350209
They voted no ban 6 times and ban 3 times so no ban

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:37:09 No.52350239 Report

Quoted By: >>52350274

>>52350209
pretty sure that has little chance of happening once they found out rage fists worked different to how every thought and it only tracks hits from direct damage, not from hazards, status, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:40:52 No.52350274 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350239
I think it was known well before they voted on it, it just wasn't properly implemented into Showdown. I hope they don't ban the ape, I like Ubers so it's not like I'd never use him again if he got kicked from OU, but I think Rage Fist is fun. It rewards smart play, unlike Last Respects where getting a free 200BP move is just something that's naturally going to happen over the course of the game, you don't have to risk your mon or anything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:52:41 No.52350406 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:09:01 No.52350573 Report

Quoted By: >>52355506

>>52349876
>punishes mindless U-turn spam
>smoggies lose their fucking minds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:11:28 No.52350593 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347632
Except the thing is broken by the standards of gen 9, you dishonest little shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:21:29 No.52350683 Report

Quoted By:

>>52343062
>shit like this just makes it look like theyre trying to "shape" the meta to fit what they want
That's exactly what it is.
They even go out of their way to ban things that are only mildly threatening too (see ghost dog) just because it might negatively affect stall.
Hell, if Blissey and Slowbro didn't run HDB, they'd've banned those immediately too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:27:21 No.52350719 Report

Quoted By: >>52350763 >>52350795

>>52344521
>Most things banned actually threaten offense way more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:31:03 No.52350756 Report

Quoted By:

Where is the anon saying palafin was gonna be trash? Top fucking kek how dumb can you be

>”it’s the same as slow start!!”

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:31:03 No.52350757 Report

Quoted By: >>52350801

>>52347848
>Event moves are allowed
They are not

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:31:44 No.52350763 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350719
Post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:35:00 No.52350795 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350719
Flutter Mane blows offense the fuck up because only Bundle and Dragapult are faster and neither want to switch in so you have to sack a guy to revenge kill it, stall has the bulky mons to handle it
Iron Bundle blows offense the fuck up because only Dragapult is faster and doesn't want to switch in so you have to sack a guy to revenge kill it, stall has Blissey to handle it
Palafin blows offense the fuck up because they lack answers to both Band and Taunt/Bulk Up, stall has Dondozo to handle it
Hell, they banned Arena Trap preemptively which helps stall by letting it pick and choose which threat on the opponents team the stall player wants to eliminate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:36:01 No.52350801 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350757
they used to be allowed, at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:38:46 No.52350820 Report

Quoted By: >>52355532

Did Palafin die a hero, or live long enough to be a villain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:41:29 No.52350839 Report

Quoted By: >>52350927

>>52349568
>despite that also being unenforcable on cart.
I haven't touched any of the cart battles in SV, but previous games have allowed you limits like "no duplicate items" and either "no legendaries" or "one legendary".
But I wouldn't be surprised if they trashed that as well with all the stuff they leave out now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:41:57 No.52350842 Report

Quoted By: >>52351026 >>52351101 >>52355553

>>52343062
>Why ban pokemon you deem too powerful from the meta instead of working around them like in every single competitive game?
because it wouldn't be fun if every team used the same pokemon, except the orange dog for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:53:07 No.52350927 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350839
oh yeah, "special pokemon" and whatnot
yeah i suppose showdown could implement that but then the question is do you make a tier for all conceivable options? anything goes is just basically setting all the settings to "yes," what people on here seem to want would be all settings set to "no."

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:55:19 No.52350945 Report

Quoted By: >>52351002

That's too bad. He is so cool tho. Palafin is probably the biggest mememon of this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:05:03 No.52351002 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350945
TOTSUGEKI TOTSUGEKI

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:08:18 No.52351026 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350842
that's true, that's why I would never play vgc

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:16:55 No.52351101 Report

Quoted By: >>52351162

>>52350842
>Bundle Banned before it could slap around this Flying Cat

SmogonsSisters couldn't bare the thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:23:51 No.52351162 Report

Quoted By: >>52351208

>>52351101
I mean, both bundle and dolphin would have destroyed Lando. But don't worry, we still have Chien Pao! For now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:27:27 No.52351191 Report

Quoted By:

>>52342949
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:28:46 No.52351208 Report

Quoted By:

>>52351162
But its not the same bro. Who would've thought that Delibird would obliterate landorus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:30:08 No.52351221 Report

Quoted By: >>52351531

>>52349625
>WAAAAAAH IT KILLS TOXAPEX! BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT NOOOOOOW!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:30:22 No.52351223 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348346
water+Freeze-Dry IS better than BoltBeam

>>52348408
Electric Tera Blast Chien Pao. It's a thing and pretty damn strong. Bundle however didn't need to Tera.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:31:42 No.52351234 Report

Quoted By: >>52353101

>>52348346
Boltbeam is a meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:43:21 No.52351371 Report

Quoted By:

>>52343648
>click ice move or water move
>lando fucking dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:54:29 No.52351492 Report

Quoted By:

I see smogon, I laugh. Simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:58:25 No.52351531 Report

Quoted By: >>52351639

>>52351221
What does pex have to do with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:12:31 No.52351639 Report

Quoted By: >>52351728

>>52351531
Don't play dumb, stallfag. You're too transparent for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:24:23 No.52351728 Report

Quoted By: >>52351734

>>52351639
Yes, I'm sure koraidon being ubers is because of toxapex. Not because of its immense movepool, or its absurd ability, or its insane speed and power.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:25:08 No.52351734 Report

Quoted By: >>52351814

>>52351728
*Blocks your path*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:31:34 No.52351782 Report

Quoted By: >>52351983

>>52342949
>caring about smogon autists
tell me when smogon rules are played to hundreds of thousands worldwide, in a few months 1/4th of the new dex is going to be gone anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:34:10 No.52351814 Report

Quoted By: >>52351824

>>52351734
it gets wild charge

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:35:01 No.52351824 Report

Quoted By:

>>52351814
Not even adamant and banded Koraidon will OHKO Azu with any sort of defensive investment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:41:32 No.52351884 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348575
annihilape is also fighting...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:43:25 No.52351900 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348627
h zoroark isn't out yet, you can blame gamefreak for the severe lack of good normal types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:45:10 No.52351916 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349148
Arctozolt would definitely be solid OU with snow instead of hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:52:32 No.52351979 Report

Quoted By:

>trannygon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:52:50 No.52351983 Report

Quoted By: >>52352001

>>52351782
Showdown has 100k+ monthly users. Go play vs children on cart, manchild lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:54:45 No.52352001 Report

Quoted By:

>>52351983
>defends ""competitive"" pokemon
>calls someone else a manchild

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 14:45:43 No.52353101 Report

Quoted By:

>>52351234
Don't forget to add Lanturn, Mamoswine and Seaking to that list courtesy of their abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 14:51:31 No.52353180 Report

Quoted By: >>52354031

You guys bitching about Smogon banning Pokemon from OU are free to play Anything Goes with repercusion. "I like OU except when they ban stuff I like" is too wishy washy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 14:55:22 No.52353231 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348000
>zoomer doesn’t know porygons or gsbot and gets the netbattle date wrong
pottery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 16:01:26 No.52354031 Report

Quoted By: >>52354110 >>52355568

>>52353180
Palafin isn't good enough to do anything in AG so it'll just sit in OUBL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 16:07:50 No.52354110 Report

Quoted By:

>>52354031
git gud and find a way to use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 16:12:33 No.52354181 Report

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>>52347486
It has slaking level stats(without being crippled by traunt). I supposed it being super obvious and requiring giving your opponent a free turn(to switch it out) was the balance but giving it a 60BP stab priority to top it off is hilariously dumb. Feels like it was one of those shill mons that were intentionally designed to be used competitively at VGC.

Yet this is the same gen that gave us that piece of shit spidops, a 400BST mon that is the worst web setter in the entire series

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 16:17:11 No.52354232 Report

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>>52347632
Pokemon games powercreep is kind of different because every gen has their good and shit mons while old mons also get new moves and occasionally even get their stats updated. If creep was a thing, people wouldve stopped using the pseudo forms older gens ages ago.

The only real powercreep is that new gen mons get new abilities and even then, most of them arent that much better or make up for the bad stats/movepool they have

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 18:03:45 No.52355506 Report

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>>52350573
>smogon only likes pure stall
>but smogon also only likes Lando and offensive pivoting
Which is it?

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 18:05:52 No.52355532 Report

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>>52350820
He was a villain who used his superpowers against citizens, now he's a hero fighting super villains

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 18:07:35 No.52355553 Report

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>>52350842
Low special bulk, common weaknesses including a double weakness, no flying STAB and no recovery make it easy to deal with.
Landorus is a balanced pokemon, it's not overused because it's OP, but because it's versatile. It's a pokemon you can just slap on most team to cover its leaks.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 18:09:14 No.52355568 Report

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>>52354031
>Palafin isn't good enough to do anything in AG
AG is literally just OU with Koraidon and Miraidon, moron

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 18:56:14 No.52356317 Report

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>>52348324
This thing was fucking insane, does nobody here play even a little bit?

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