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Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:01:11 No.52413693 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52413746 >>52413866 >>52413928 >>52413960 >>52413987 >>52414104 >>52414118 >>52414475 >>52414564 >>52415015

>ice is the worst ty-ACK!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:02:25 No.52413716 Report

Quoted By: >>52413744 >>52414056 >>52414196

>Bundle and Ching chong get banned
Heh, WHAT ice types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:03:38 No.52413738 Report

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NOOOO YOU CAN'T SWEEP ME WITH THOSE HIGH SPEED GLASS CANNONS, BAN THEM SMOGGIE COUNCIL

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:04:00 No.52413744 Report

Quoted By: >>52413771

>>52413716
>ice types are now so good they need to be removed from normal play
Thanks for the concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:04:03 No.52413746 Report

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>>52413693
-excuse me, pe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:05:36 No.52413771 Report

Quoted By: >>52413782 >>52413796 >>52413898

>>52413744
Exceptions are not the rule. Also you think its their ice typings which made them good? No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:06:05 No.52413777 Report

Quoted By: >>52413927 >>52414112 >>52414155 >>52414162

I don't like that they didn't really address Ice's problems and just made good new ones so the old ones will still be bad.
Or, rather, they didn't improve the old mons to work with Ice's strengths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:06:14 No.52413782 Report

Quoted By: >>52413800

>>52413771
>Also you think its their ice typings which made them good?
yes, actually

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:07:09 No.52413795 Report

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damn bro, i guess the water type was never good after all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:07:28 No.52413796 Report

Quoted By: >>52413824 >>52413853

>>52413771
STAB Freeze Dry+Hydro Pump is unresisted by almost everything in the game so yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:07:40 No.52413800 Report

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>>52413782
Negative ghost rider, unironically what made them good was speed and high Atk/SpA. Not to mention Ching chong's ability to weaken your defense. Ice typing has zero influence on what made them good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:09:03 No.52413824 Report

Quoted By: >>52413849 >>52413881

>>52413796
>STAB Freeze Dry+Hydro Pump
So why isnt Lapras banned from OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:10:00 No.52413849 Report

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>>52413824
>why doesn't my clown fanfic format that plays nothing like the game make pokemon good?
gee I dunno

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:10:19 No.52413853 Report

Quoted By: >>52413985

>>52413796
>Synergizing with a top 3 type make Ice good
Nope. By that logic Steel isn't good because rock/steel is the worst defensive typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:11:14 No.52413866 Report

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>>52413693
They will get banned and people that don't play the official format still will think that ice is le bad, because only slow, frail and unremarkable ice type are allowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:12:04 No.52413881 Report

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>>52413824
Lapras doesn't have 124 Sp. Atk and 136 Speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:13:13 No.52413898 Report

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>>52413771
In these two cases, as well as Weavile (and, to an extent, Mamoswine), yes, Ice type is what makes them good. Ice STAB is a blessing that comes with many defensive drawbacks. If you're a glass cannon and not care about defense, it's a good typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:14:58 No.52413927 Report

Quoted By: >>52414058

>>52413777
Biggest problem with Ice was always that it was mostly a bunch of slow defensive shitmons when it's an offensive typing. Making more good offensive ice pokemon is the right fix.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:15:00 No.52413928 Report

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>>52413693
I'm so tired of this "argument". Ice is one of the most divisive types in Pokemon. The ones forced to be bulky fall into obscurity but the ones who are offensive threats rein supreme over OU.

In short: Ice offense good, ice defence bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:17:05 No.52413956 Report

Quoted By: >>52414340

ice is not the worst typing but acting like having multiple overtuned minmaxed pokemon with amazing abilities is proof that the type as a whole is not underpowered as a whole is dumb
but given that people call Fairy type overpowered despite how shitty most fairies are, I shouldn't be surprised

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:17:28 No.52413960 Report

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>>52413693
>Weavile with more stats is good

Yeah?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:18:33 No.52413985 Report

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>>52413853
Rock and Steel are both good types and Stakataka was one of the best Pokemon in gen 8 so this argument doesn't really work lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:18:40 No.52413987 Report

Quoted By:

>>52413693
>>52413693
Fanfic meta
Yes, it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:22:30 No.52414056 Report

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>>52413716
Chien-Pao isn't banned, dummy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:22:34 No.52414058 Report

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>>52413927
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Making the new ones actually work with what makes the type good is a positive - but it comes with the drawback that all the past ones that failed to do this are just kinda dead in the water. We're just gonna keep getting more and more moves made for the ice type like Snowscape and Chilly Reception instead of even just slight stat changes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:25:20 No.52414104 Report

Quoted By: >>52415157 >>52415202

>>52413693
anyone who actually plays the game agrees bug is the worst type

it's basically just a worse grass type and every single bug they added this gen except dinosaur volcarona is a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:25:58 No.52414112 Report

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>>52413777
But they did address Ice's problems.
They made more offensive Ice types. That's all Ice needed.
The old ones are bad because they're mostly defensive for a type that wants to be offensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:26:32 No.52414118 Report

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>>52413693
Ice offensively has always been a great type. Defensively that is where it is bad.
Powerful and fierce yet fragile

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:28:12 No.52414151 Report

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Not even worth a (You).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:28:17 No.52414155 Report

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>>52413777
snowscape is at least a step in the right direction, especially combined with aurora veil
it's not gonna be enough to make the defensive ice types GOOD, but it gives them at least a little survivability on the physical side

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:28:41 No.52414162 Report

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>>52413777
Snow was a start but now there's the problem of there not being any really good snow setters, your choices are basically Slowking, Abomasnow (lol) and that's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:30:24 No.52414196 Report

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>>52413716
>Fanfic meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:36:36 No.52414296 Report

Quoted By: >>52414307 >>52414571

>Ice is good on offensive mons
a type that pigeonholes mons into specific roles to be viable is a bad type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:37:21 No.52414307 Report

Quoted By: >>52414392

>>52414296
Not a lot of defensive dragon types either. Not even when Dragon was the most OP type in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:38:54 No.52414340 Report

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>>52413956
>Ice is still a bad type even if some of the pokemon are good
>but Fairy type totally isn’t overpowered because most Fairies are shit!
nice try, fruit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:41:33 No.52414392 Report

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>>52414307
Dragon was never the most OP type in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:45:42 No.52414464 Report

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I think they should introduce an Ice version of Shore Up next, Garganacl shows that you need recovery to wall well Ignore Avalugg's having recovery reeee

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:46:21 No.52414475 Report

Quoted By: >>52414742

>>52413693
What about Cetitan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:50:53 No.52414543 Report

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Remove Ices weakness to rock
There I solved the ice problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:52:35 No.52414564 Report

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>>52413693
>Bans all the good ice types
Ice *clap* is *clap* the *clap* worst *clap* type *clap*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 19:52:52 No.52414571 Report

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>>52414296
Every type is good on offensive Pokemon. Purely defensive Pokemon are almost always terrible. There's a reason why crits exist in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:02:53 No.52414742 Report

Quoted By: >>52414766

>>52414475
Even with Sheer Force/Life Orb memes I can't come up with any set where he actually hits hard enough to justify using him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:04:38 No.52414766 Report

Quoted By: >>52414791

>>52414742
Slush Rush + Belly Drum might be ok but there's barely any good hail setters

it would be nice if Vanilluxe was in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:05:56 No.52414791 Report

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>>52414766
Slowking is decent so if new toy syndrome keeps up a bit longer and he actually manages to stay out of OU that could be a funny meme to try out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:20:49 No.52415015 Report

Quoted By: >>52415495 >>52415591

>>52413693
>Hail is now "Snowstorm" and just adds 1+ Def and Sp. Def to Ice types while removing chip damage
>Meanwhile Sandstorm gets to keep its chip damage while also still buffing the defense of Rock types

Why did theh do that
Are they fucking retarded
It's literally worse now

>inb4 smogtard tells me B-BUT ITS GOOD BRO YOU JUST HAVE TO RUN A GIMMICKY TEAM WITH AURORA VEIL

Actual retardation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:29:03 No.52415157 Report

Quoted By: >>52415196

>>52414104
Isn't Kamen Rider mon decent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:31:17 No.52415196 Report

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>>52415157
There's some good ones, its just the vast majority are route one shitmons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:31:30 No.52415202 Report

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>>52414104
Gen 5 was the only good gen for Bug Types.
Every other time bug bros suffered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:48:37 No.52415495 Report

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>>52415015
Def bonus is better than a SpD bonus since physical attacks are more prominent.
Also Sand's chip damage is ignored by 3 types (including Steel, one of the best types), allowing far more mons to run free in it. Hail's chip was ignored only by Ice, making it harder to have a more diverse team. It's more logical to just get rid of the chip to allow for more flexible team building.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2022 20:54:51 No.52415591 Report

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>>52415015
I mean, with ice types like bundle and chien-pao running around, you don't really need snow. They outspeed and 2HKO most things. If anything, the new snow would help with them surviving another turn to get the KO off.

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