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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:04:58 No.52651120 View View Reply Original Report

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we DO NOT like fun here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:06:21 No.52651138 Report

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players will optimize the fun out of a game
the difference with smogon is that they optimize the fun out of the game for the player

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:07:42 No.52651151 Report

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>>52651120
based as fuck, normalfags on suicide watch
"fun" is a buzzword used to justify shit like buying awful games

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:08:20 No.52651155 Report

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Reminder

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:09:15 No.52651162 Report

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>>52651155
soulwind is such a huge fucking faggot holy shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:09:24 No.52651165 Report

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This is the head of OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:09:57 No.52651168 Report

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>>52651120
singles was a mistake

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:10:02 No.52651171 Report

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>Another thread crying about smogon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:10:32 No.52651175 Report

Quoted By: >>52655671 >>52655699 >>52655708

>60+ turns
This is a "healthy" meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:12:02 No.52651193 Report

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>>52651155
Just ignore the fact that councils will randomly quickban things when they don't even have quorum based on random polls that don't even support their decision

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:15:28 No.52651214 Report

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>>52651155
>They want a healthy meta
>If we ban tera
people can't be this obvious...right? He was trolling, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:17:47 No.52651233 Report

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>>52651120
I like how smogon is getting btfo for being a bunch of stall loving faggots. Just proves they can't actually play the game without being annoying.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:21:03 No.52651264 Report

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>>52651193
This is the guy who decides on the bans on OU. He was the reason why kyurem is banned.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-582952

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:27:43 No.52651307 Report

Quoted By: >>52651323

>>52651155
>MEGA EVOLUTIONS?? BAN EM ALL I SAY!!
>UGH JUST LIKE IMAGINE IF YOU WERE PLAYING CHESS AND YOUR PAWN COULD EVOLVE INTO A ROOK!!!

praying for troll

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:30:53 No.52651323 Report

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>>52651307
They banned a lot of Megas and even FUG in a tier you would think there would be no restrictions, then in gen 8, they banned baton pass in Ubers too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:32:15 No.52651336 Report

Quoted By: >>52651365 >>52651627

I'm not gonna say I'm even smart enough to play against or with tera I can't predict when they're gonna change type of what type it's gonna be but doesn't it seem like they want the game to be childishly simplistic? They keep megas and dynamax because that's just simple bigger numbers but when you gotta strategize any further then suddenly there's an issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:32:41 No.52651340 Report

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>>52651264
It's funny how easy it is to not be a biased, retarded piece of shit. There are tons of small Showdown servers with custom metagames that are 100x more tolerable than normal Showdown because the mods don't have a superiority complex

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:32:54 No.52651342 Report

Quoted By: >>52651430

>>52651120
>competition has clearly identifiable parameters
>also our community wants men to compete in women's sports
ok, sure thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:33:18 No.52651346 Report

Quoted By: >>52651401

>>52651151
Underrated bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:34:04 No.52651353 Report

Quoted By: >>52651520

Allow me to use the argument that shilltards use to defend Scat and Vomit
>if you don't like it, don't play it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:35:02 No.52651365 Report

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>>52651336
>childishly simplistic
It's not. Just they want walls to be broken as fuck. Simple as.
They think there's no "counterplay" to tera types because tera-boosted moves do enough damage to chunk out their walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:37:52 No.52651392 Report

Quoted By: >>52652677

>>52651120
>The pro-ban posters, massive walls of text about why you should vote to ban Tera and why everyone else is wrong
>The anti-ban posters, "it's fun and I like it"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:38:16 No.52651396 Report

Quoted By: >>52651676 >>52651906 >>52653050

Does anyone even have a single game of someone predicting/reading a tera reveal at any ELO range? Of course no one does it's never happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:38:44 No.52651401 Report

Quoted By: >>52651583

>>52651346
It's extremely lazy bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:41:46 No.52651430 Report

Quoted By: >>52651458

>>52651342
>>also our community wants men to compete in women's sports
No, women get put in UU where they can properly compete amongst themselves. It's the /vp/ trannies who want to force women to play with bodybuilders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:44:04 No.52651458 Report

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>>52651430
Comparing women's sports to UU is the best thing I've read in a while, thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:45:31 No.52651475 Report

Quoted By: >>52651483

>>52651120
remove all divergences from cart that aren't due to balance (percentage mod, lack of item clause) and then we'll talk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:46:23 No.52651483 Report

Quoted By: >>52651558 >>52651923

>>52651475
The game lets you use multiple items on the same team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:49:44 No.52651520 Report

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>>52651353
This but unironically. Why listen to them? Play what you want.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:50:25 No.52651526 Report

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>>52651155
>SoulWind

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:52:42 No.52651558 Report

Quoted By: >>52651566

>>52651483
not in official online and tourney formats it doesn't. we're not talking about in-game battles, they ignore species clause there too so it obviously doesn't matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:53:27 No.52651566 Report

Quoted By: >>52651625

>>52651558
>not in official online and tourney formats it doesn't.
Who cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:54:54 No.52651583 Report

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>>52651401
Nah its completely indistinguishable from an actual smogonpedo argument.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:55:37 No.52651587 Report

Quoted By: >>52651595 >>52651611 >>52651623 >>52651631 >>52651635 >>52652736 >>52654375

>yes I know the absolute best decision for the game's metagame, this smogon council just sucks at the game
>my win rate and elo? Why 30% and 1056 of course
Why is /vp/ like this?
>b-but I'm just low elo cause I don't care to play the shitty meta
then why do you let it live rent free in your head if you don't even play? Also you are straight up talking about something you know nothing about

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:56:54 No.52651595 Report

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>>52651587
>YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE THE CHEF'S FOOD IF YOU'RE NOT AS GOOD AS THE CHEF

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:57:37 No.52651599 Report

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>>52651595
You can't criticize a food you don't even eat, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:58:33 No.52651608 Report

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>>52651595
Picky eater who only eats GMO slop spotted

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:58:43 No.52651611 Report

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>>52651587
People just want something to complain about. Its like with stall they think stall is making the game last forever.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:58:57 No.52651613 Report

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Smogon players:

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:59:32 No.52651623 Report

Quoted By: >>52651634

>>52651587
The most popular cope argument from a smogpedo. Your metagame is trash that was made by a bunch autistic pedophiles who can't play pokemon for shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:59:36 No.52651625 Report

Quoted By: >>52652398

>>52651566
Smogon which supposedly tries to hew close to cart

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:59:41 No.52651627 Report

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>>52651336
They banned Dynamax within the first year of Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:59:41 No.52651628 Report

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>>52651611
The stall complaints are just asinine
stall hasn't been good since gen7 ended. It just shows none of them play the game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 18:59:59 No.52651629 Report

Quoted By: >>52651697

smegmafags are boring and selfish and should Sheer Cold themselves along with smashfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:00:24 No.52651631 Report

Quoted By: >>52651683

>>52651587
Your website and simulator is run and populated by pedophiles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:00:42 No.52651634 Report

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>>52651623
That's why you have won all the smogon tourneys with cash prizes for the easy money right?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:00:44 No.52651635 Report

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>>52651587
/vp/ sucks at competitive, but since were anons most feel fine taking potshots at smogons (sometimes bad) decisions. Since we're anonymous and some of u DO play competitive singles, it's hard to distinguish who actually knows what they're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:00:53 No.52651637 Report

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>>52651120
Literal definition of fanfiction meta.
I quit omgon comp when gen 6 kicked in, it was already hysterical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:02:26 No.52651646 Report

Quoted By: >>52651650 >>52651657 >>52651680

>>52651634
No, I play tourneys that use the actual game rules and not your pedophile headcanon meta. And yes I have won money from it. I also abused evasion moves and baton pass, I hope that makes you mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:02:53 No.52651650 Report

Quoted By: >>52651664

>>52651646
then post proof or dilate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:03:00 No.52651651 Report

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>>52651264
>his whole team is weak to Kyurem
>tries to set up in front of it after revealing it has a super effective move against your set up pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:03:26 No.52651657 Report

Quoted By: >>52651664

>>52651646
Nice headcanon, brother

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:04:00 No.52651661 Report

Quoted By: >>52654593

>>52651635
Imagine wasting time to create a picture so wrong.
Imagine comparing Landorus and Toxapex to a knife.
Imagine comparing the likes of Palafin, Fluttering Mane and motherfucking Iron Bundle to a fucking Bioweapon of all things.
Smogonfags are truly mindbroken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:04:17 No.52651664 Report

Quoted By: >>52651669

>>52651650
>dox yourself
Yeah no thanks bro
>>52651657
Nah smogon meta is an awful headcanon. What are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:04:48 No.52651669 Report

Quoted By: >>52651699

>>52651664
>no proofs
well I have won more tourneys than you, retard. I placed higher than you in everything you've done

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:05:17 No.52651674 Report

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>>52651120
I fully understand what he’s trying to say, it’s nothing complicated, but holy shit there are way less autistic retard ways to put it that don’t invite responses like this thread. But the way whoever that retard is said it, he deserves to be made fun of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:05:31 No.52651676 Report

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>>52651396
>if you can't predict it then it's bad
Then why did Smogon hate team previews?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:05:46 No.52651680 Report

Quoted By: >>52651714

>>52651646
No, you didn't. You're just an anxious loser looking to vent your frustrations who also happens to like pokemon. Any person sane enough to actually participate in cash prize pokemon battling wouldn't be schizo enough to scream buzzwords into their echo chamber thread on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:05:54 No.52651682 Report

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>>52651635
ironic since the reality meta will need to adapt to bioweapons in the near future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:05:54 No.52651683 Report

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>>52651631
And jews.
But mostly LGBTrannies like bumba & co, I think some even killed themselves in real life. Feels good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:07:14 No.52651697 Report

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>>52651629
Smash out of FUCKING nowhere. Zero Won. Nairo Won. Vikkikitty raped. Cancel Culture obliterated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:07:24 No.52651699 Report

Quoted By: >>52651709

>>52651669
Cry more. You're coping cause I wont dox myself and coping further because I dont like your pedophile meta. You're pathetic dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:08:14 No.52651709 Report

Quoted By: >>52651726

>>52651699
Cope, you suck. Can't even win against geeta

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:08:31 No.52651714 Report

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>>52651680
Cope cry and seethe pedophile. Your fanfic meta sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:09:06 No.52651719 Report

Quoted By: >>52651739 >>52652589 >>52652630

>>52651120
>i-it's uncompetitive!
ok then ban items then, it's the same fucking thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:09:34 No.52651726 Report

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>>52651709
>desperate no you
lmao cry more pedo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:10:43 No.52651733 Report

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Speaking as someone who had played comp for more than five years and participated in more smogon tourneys and VGC tourneys than I can count...
Fuck Smogon and their stall-favoring faggotry. They only want to ban Tera because it beats Stallfaggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:11:08 No.52651739 Report

Quoted By: >>52651767

>>52651719
You don't get it, leftovers on the whole team is a high IQ strategy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:11:15 No.52651740 Report

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>>52651264
>shitty ou "leader" getting btfo by the easiest prediction ever on turn 3 already
woah...
>gg
picrel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:12:00 No.52651749 Report

Quoted By: >>52651789

>>52651155
Are you guys actually so retarded to believe thats actually him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:12:58 No.52651763 Report

Quoted By: >>52651766 >>52651775 >>52655748

Items should be banned. They introduce too much variance into how a Pokémon can be played, the damage it can push out, or what it can outspeed, it can turn any matchup on its head and nobody can know before the item's effect activates - and even then, it usually requires the player to deduce by themselves which item is on the enemy Pokémon.

This is fundamentally uncompetitive and should be removed from the game posthaste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:13:45 No.52651766 Report

Quoted By: >>52652605

>>52651763
Smogon would want to ban held items if they were introduced in Gen 8 or 9.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:13:48 No.52651767 Report

Quoted By: >>52651783

>>52651739
Funny how one of the original and standard item clauses is somehow not accepted by omgon sodomites

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:14:34 No.52651775 Report

Quoted By: >>52651782

>>52651763
It's funny because often I'm more worried about "Shit, is this scarfed?" than "Shit, is this going to tera into some nonsense that isn't actually good but happens to cteam me?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:15:18 No.52651778 Report

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You will play stall and you will be happy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:15:35 No.52651782 Report

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>>52651775
Choice scarf has decided more battles for and against me than any other item/move/strat I've ever used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:15:35 No.52651783 Report

Quoted By: >>52651878

>>52651767
item clause is so soulful
it's stupid they don't enforce it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:16:01 No.52651789 Report

Quoted By: >>52651800

>>52651749
Pft no way! This well known smogon user would clearly want anons to know it was him writing this very contentious post that in no way will cause reactionaries to do what they do best! Besides, nobody lies on the internet! There's never been a post formated like that on this board that was disingenuous!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:17:15 No.52651800 Report

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>>52651789
>smogtranny seething and coping this hard
Hey soulwind.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:19:30 No.52651830 Report

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>>52651264
>the roost on the penultimate turn
Disrespectful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:22:21 No.52651854 Report

Quoted By: >>52651869 >>52651904 >>52655096

Tera getting suspected before fucking Ting Lu and Garganacl is wild

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:23:04 No.52651864 Report

Quoted By: >>52652511

>>52651635
>Landorus is like a knife
Landorus is a standard issue rifle with entirely too many attachments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:23:34 No.52651869 Report

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>>52651854
before gholdengo even...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:24:09 No.52651873 Report

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>>52651635
The Geneva Convention doesn't lie to people saying they ban shit based on usage statistics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:24:39 No.52651878 Report

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>>52651783
it's clearly the way the game was meant to be played, all ranked battles and tourneys have had item clause since forever. Smogon is fanfic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:26:31 No.52651904 Report

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>>52651854
Ting Lu is one of the few walls that actually can do something, I don't mind it.
My only issue with the meta is that there are very few options, Masquerine being ranked higher than D in smogon OU shows how limited the meta is right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:26:48 No.52651906 Report

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>>52651396
100% of teams with a Dragonite will tera normal the Dragonite.
75% of teams with Roaring Moon will tera flying the Roaring Moon.
Play the fucking game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:29:10 No.52651923 Report

Quoted By: >>52652413

>>52651483
Game also lets you stack 6 Arceus in one team. And use recovery items. And switch after KOing a mon. And doesn't normally have team preview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:29:13 No.52651924 Report

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>>52651635
Gonna use this image as my legal defense when I go to my local Denny's and shoot everyone there

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 19:57:28 No.52652212 Report

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>claim to hate smogon and dont play their meta
>smogon lives rent free in their heads and make threads about them every day
Why are you fucking autists like this

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:02:21 No.52652255 Report

Quoted By: >>52652271 >>52652642 >>52653103

>>52651120
no matter what they decide, he will benefit from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:04:14 No.52652271 Report

Quoted By: >>52652346

>>52652255
Im waiting till I can use adamant scarf tera ground and watch autists seethe in pain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:08:23 No.52652304 Report

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>>52651120
Explanations like this are bigger cancer than decision itself. They honestly think smogon is something like enlightened elite and everybody else are just peasants that need to shut up and listen.
>We don't cater to what people find fun because that's highly subjective.
So is smogons decision. Parameters are objective, but how you intepret them will always be subjective. So how about defending with actual arguments why it is good instead of this cancerous elitist crap "we just know better, pleb doesn't understand".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:08:43 No.52652310 Report

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someone pro tera and better at words than me needs to put this obnoxious LoseToRU?/Purrloin guy on the forums in his place

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:10:14 No.52652331 Report

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>>52651155
I know /vp/ is filled with dumbasses and shitters, but holy shit imagine thinking it's actually him, no wonder Smogon lives rent free around here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:11:44 No.52652346 Report

Quoted By: >>52652407

>>52652271
Ground is kinda trash in the meta, fighting, dark, fire and fairy are the best offensive types at this moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:17:23 No.52652398 Report

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>>52651625
Aside from the HP and Sleep Claus mods, the game is near identical to cart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:18:40 No.52652407 Report

Quoted By: >>52652417

>>52652346
Tera ground landorus eq hits hard af everything that it not resistant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:19:16 No.52652413 Report

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>>52651923
What gen 9 game are you playing without team preview?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:20:39 No.52652417 Report

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>>52652407
Tera Fire/Dark Chi-Yu hits harder even to pokemon that resist it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:27:27 No.52652493 Report

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>>52651635
I lile the analogy but that last paragraph is a fallacy. High ranking militia answer to higher ups, such as the congress, president, senate or other similar political entities. Smogon's hierarchy quickban stuff on secret discord meetings no one has access to besides them. They do not answer to anyone, no one audits their work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:29:49 No.52652511 Report

Quoted By: >>52652527

>>52651864
Not even, datamine suggests almost all its utility moves got gutted

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:31:57 No.52652525 Report

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>>52651611
I'm convinced the stall bitching is a falseflag, no one who actually knows anything about the game could possibly think anyone plays stall seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:32:02 No.52652527 Report

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>>52652511
We still need to see if it won't get new moves with the DLC tutors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:36:48 No.52652571 Report

Quoted By: >>52652575

Why hasnt nintendo shut down their whole scheme yet?
They're giving people pokemon for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:37:34 No.52652575 Report

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>>52652571
It isn't popular in japan so they don't give a shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:39:41 No.52652589 Report

Quoted By: >>52652630

>>52651719
Could you IMAGINE if choice items came out today?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:41:44 No.52652605 Report

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>>52651766
Except the leftovers because they LOVE that passive recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:44:32 No.52652630 Report

Quoted By: >>52652661

>>52651719
>>52652589
Imagine if boosting stats moves were introduced now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:44:49 No.52652634 Report

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>>52651120
>The smogon community has always tried to make this game competitive
How many high-level games get decided on if Scald or Flame Body decided to trigger or not? lol, lmao even.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:45:21 No.52652642 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652255
LONG LIVE LORD LANDORUS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:47:55 No.52652661 Report

Quoted By: >>52652673

>>52652630
Every single Unaware Pokémon suddenly shoots up to tier 1 as their ability finally has a purpose

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:50:15 No.52652673 Report

Quoted By: >>52652699

>>52652661
unaware has always been good anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:50:30 No.52652677 Report

Quoted By: >>52652722 >>52652778

>>52651392
The anti-ban posters sound more intelligent since they're not larping as intellectuals over something as insignificant as pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:52:24 No.52652699 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652673
Yeah because boosting moves existed and in a hypothetical scenario where moves like swords dance has only now been introduced they would have been nearly useless for 8 whole generations

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:52:27 No.52652702 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651627
It was literally one month lol

>>52651635
Lando is not a knife lol it has literally the 2nd strongest EQ of all Pokemon besides Groudon and is straight up the best U turn user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:53:45 No.52652722 Report

Quoted By: >>52652734 >>52652778

>>52652677
>larping as intellectuals over something as insignificant as pokemon.
Every single smoggie I've seen here in the last few days has posted like they're gods talking down to stupid mortals. Their metagame is so unfathomably complex that we can't begin to understand it, but they can with their supreme intelligence.
It's fucking Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:54:28 No.52652726 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651155
>that chess analogy
Erm, kind of transphobic don't you think? I thought smogonsisters were against that?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:55:10 No.52652734 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652722
I like the "competitive vs uncompetitive" buzzword that is constantly posted as the crux of their argument and falls apart under any serious scrutiny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:55:16 No.52652736 Report

Quoted By: >>52658331

>>52651587
You're still going on about elo?
>>52651264
This is what a "high elo" smogon player looks like. Completely braindead following a flowchart.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:57:47 No.52652766 Report

Quoted By: >>52652786 >>52652866

so tera 50/50s are bad but item 50/50s, flinch moves, paralysis, and sleep rng is fine?
fucking faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:58:29 No.52652773 Report

Quoted By: >>52652793

For me, it's using Blunder as a measuring stick of how good a meta is.
He doesn't upload=shit meta, probably a stallfest 60 turn battle with identical teams meta.
He uploads=good meta, lots of things to try out, faster battles were almost every turn advances the gamestate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:58:52 No.52652778 Report

Quoted By: >>52652815

>>52652722
>>52652677
ELO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 20:59:49 No.52652786 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652766
Don’t forget how every single move has an inherent chance to crit at any time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:00:22 No.52652793 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652773
The start of a new gen is free views/money so I won't use that criteria yet for gen 9.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:02:22 No.52652815 Report

Quoted By: >>52652844 >>52653002 >>52653320 >>52653328 >>52653412 >>52654041 >>52658331

>>52652778
Higher than the ou council's

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:04:52 No.52652844 Report

Quoted By: >>52654041

>>52652815
NOOOOO DELETE THAT. ELO ONLY MATTERS WHEN WE WANT IT TO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:06:19 No.52652866 Report

Quoted By: >>52652908 >>52652924 >>52652946 >>52653067 >>52653072

>>52652766
See tera is bad because you get to use it once per battle and you can click it at any time to bypass a check. The others are ok because they happen at random and you can't rely on them, they just sometimes happen to help you out. We also banned Sheer Cold because it was too luck-dependent btw.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:09:22 No.52652908 Report

Quoted By: >>52655115

>>52652866
>See tera is bad because you get to use it once per battle and you can click it at any time to bypass a check
so were z-moves.
so were megas.
shut the fuck up you insufferable faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:10:50 No.52652924 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652866
Retarded fucktard. The others are ok in your eyes because they help stall, disingenious fagking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:12:31 No.52652946 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652866
damn guess we better ban focus blast, it unfairly lets psychic types bypass their dark type checks, plus it's 70% accuracy, too luck dependent!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:17:34 No.52653002 Report

Quoted By: >>52654041

>>52652815
LOL BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:23:17 No.52653050 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651396
How do you prove that someone predicts a Tera or not unless they say otherwise?
Why is being unpredictable inherently uncompetitive? You don’t ban caterpie because someone brought it and you didn’t predict it coming in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:25:07 No.52653067 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652866
Let me rework your argument in a way that actually makes sense:

>”While Paralysis and Sleep mechanics are very rng reliant, the methods of spreading them are not. A mon who runs Thunder Wave or Spore is something that must be respected by the opponent in the same way an offensive move must be respected. However, instead of being punished for not respecting the move by being damaged, you are punished in a way that debilitates your Pokémon in a potentially unpredictable way.

>You could argue that this can be complicated by additional rng, such as the paralysis from body slam. However, you still have the knowledge that you COULD be paralyzed by body slam if you do not respect the move, and you can attempt to play around it from there.”

Idk what you were trying to do with your original argument honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:25:34 No.52653072 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652866
>The others are ok because they happen at random and you can't rely on them
So we should definitely unban evasion and OHKO moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:27:30 No.52653093 Report

Quoted By: >>52653124 >>52653146 >>52653153

The issue with Tera isn't being unpredictable, retards. Every mon has 1-2 best teras, no one is gonna lose cause the opponent used fucking Tera bug or something.
People are banning Teras because it lets pokemon bypass their checks.
No it's not the same as items and z-moves. These have an opportunity cost, you give up on running another item or move slot to run a surprise option, and if it whiffs, it's gonna be a dead option the whole game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:27:58 No.52653103 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652255
>#1 most used pokemon for a decade
>entire metagame and rules exist around keeping this thing relevant
>ban any counters and checks it has besides shitmons it can both outspeed and/or safely ohko
>claim not overcentralizing because variety of builds
>claim healthy meta
>have autistic meltdown when questioned
If it got Regenerator and Thousand Arrows they still wouldn't ban it because the entire tier would collapse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:29:29 No.52653124 Report

Quoted By: >>52653154

>>52653093
if every Pokémon uses the same 1-2 teras, can't you just predict that desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:30:56 No.52653146 Report

Quoted By: >>52653154

>>52653093
Maybe you should adapt and plan around Tera instead of whining about not being able to predictably hard counter things like this is fucking Overwatch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:31:26 No.52653153 Report

Quoted By: >>52653289

>>52653093
Tera's opportunity costs are that you can use it only once per game and you have to set your type ahead of time. Your post is a distinction without a difference. Tera doesn't have to function exactly like other mechanics to be allowed, the power level just has to be reasonable. Anyone posting about "50/50s" is a scrub who has not played an actual competitive game in their life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:31:28 No.52653154 Report

Quoted By: >>52653198 >>52653201 >>52653269 >>52653280

>>52653124
>>52653146
Again, the issue isn't prediction. The issue is that the pokemon become too strong and you lose anyways
You can know every single move a guy with 6 arceus on his team is gonna click and still lose, because the pokemon just has superior statistics than yours. If it was just a skill issue, there'd be no reason to even have tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:31:32 No.52653157 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651155
I love the chess analogy because it works in reverse too.
>We will change the rules of Chess to fit how we think Chess should be played.
They try to walk in and tell the Chess players that no, you can't checkmate their zero IQ asses in three turns, and that should be banned.
It's a part of the game, deal with it.
If you don't like it, just don't play the game, find something you actually like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:32:50 No.52653173 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651120
They literally ban everything but stall, they've NEVER liked fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:35:10 No.52653198 Report

Quoted By: >>52653251

>>52653154
Which Pokémon is becoming too strong with a monotype that you can’t just nuke out of orbit with an offensive mon? If normal Tera Dragonite is dominant then run a fighting type with close combat and delete his ass from the damn game.
>oh but multiscale
SET UP ROCKS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:35:19 No.52653201 Report

Quoted By: >>52653235

>>52653154
>being able to change to a type that's predetermined before the battle ONCE make Pokémon too strong
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:37:56 No.52653226 Report

Quoted By:

it's actually embarrassing how little people here know about the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:38:57 No.52653235 Report

Quoted By: >>52653282

>>52653201
if it's so weak why not post elo? You must be in the 1800s if playing around teras is so easy for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:39:54 No.52653248 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651264
W h y didn't he just moonblast the fucking kyurem Jesus christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:40:08 No.52653251 Report

Quoted By: >>52653271 >>52653284 >>52653362 >>52653375

>>52653198
Are you just gonna pack a hard counter to every popular tera in the game? Then you have 6 mons that do barely anything by themselves and lose anyways because the opponent's team has more than 1 guy, and the opponent isn't a bot who will stay in with his normal tera guy on a conkeldur with banded mach punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:42:05 No.52653269 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653154
Tera is literally just a type change with some extra aspects.
Z-moves gave you a fucking nuke that OHKO’d most Pokemon even through resists and those were fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:42:10 No.52653271 Report

Quoted By: >>52653281

>>52653251
I mean you probably could because form the sounds of this thread there’s like 2 in the damn game, and plenty of Pokémon who can fit more that one anti-meta niche at a time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:43:11 No.52653280 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653154
That is more an issue of the current rooster and the changes made in gen 9. Defensive mons got nerfed a lot and they added more min-maxed attackers. Weavile for example was top tier in the last gen OU with a shit ability and now we got a new Weavile with better stats and a good ability.
Even without Tera, this gen Ubers list will be the biggest on Smogon story if they want to keep playing like the past gens just because offense just got too good in this gen.
At this point it is worth making the question, we should refuse to accept the changes in the game or try to adapt to them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:43:23 No.52653281 Report

Quoted By: >>52653296

>>52653271
if you could build a team that just counters the whole meta
why don't you just do it and climb to 1900?
Maybe it's more complicated than you think since you don't actually play the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:43:28 No.52653282 Report

Quoted By: >>52653300

>>52653235
Never said it was weak, I'm saying it's not powerful enough to warrant a ban

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:43:33 No.52653284 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653251
>hard counter
zzz

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:43:38 No.52653289 Report

Quoted By: >>52653308

>>52653153
>Tera's opportunity costs are that you can use it only once per game and you have to set your type ahead of time.

Funny I said the same thing about Dynamax and it was never accepted because "muh hypothetical baseline power level", Smogon players getting what they deserve

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:44:17 No.52653296 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653281
It probably is more complicated than that, but also I’m still right about everything and you’re just bad lol

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:44:20 No.52653297 Report

Quoted By: >>52653386

>>52651120
>the smogon community has always tried to make this game competitive, and fun has always been secondary to that
How did someone write this and not immediately realize they had a 20 inch dick up their ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:44:23 No.52653299 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651635
why the fuck would we even follow the fanfic meta when warcrimes win games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:44:24 No.52653300 Report

Quoted By: >>52653323 >>52653328

>>52653282
post elo to prove you have the voting rights then

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:45:04 No.52653308 Report

Quoted By: >>52653331 >>52653358

>>52653289
Nah fuck off faggot dynamax in singles was awful. Whoever dynamaxed first insta lost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:45:14 No.52653315 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder to ignore all posters who say "post elo" without posting theirs first

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:45:28 No.52653320 Report

Quoted By: >>52654041

>>52652815
Delet this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:45:44 No.52653323 Report

Quoted By: >>52653336

>>52653300
>elo posting
So you concede, dope

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:46:05 No.52653328 Report

Quoted By: >>52653336 >>52654041

>>52653300
see
>>52652815
the people making bans don't even have high elos

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:46:10 No.52653331 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653308
So what's the problem? Sounds like nobody was using it if they wanted to win ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:46:37 No.52653336 Report

Quoted By: >>52653349 >>52653350 >>52653360 >>52653381 >>52653399

>>52653323
>I cannot refute it so you concede
? elo
>>52653328
yeah they do, retard. There is a voting process which you need high elo to vote in. You've no idea what you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:47:39 No.52653349 Report

Quoted By: >>52653392

>>52653336
>1073 is now high elo
bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:47:52 No.52653350 Report

Quoted By: >>52653392

>>52653336
So why are they on the council?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:48:32 No.52653358 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653308
that's clearly not true or the situation would've just resolved itself lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:48:40 No.52653360 Report

Quoted By: >>52653376 >>52653392

>>52653336
This suspect doesn't require elo though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:49:00 No.52653362 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653251
You act like Tera is this unstoppable force capable of ripping through teams over the slightest mistake taken.
If a Pokemon is broken because they can stomp a team after 1 mistake, then maybe that Pokemon is broken and not the mechanic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:50:07 No.52653375 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653251
it's embarrassing how little smogon knows about its metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:50:09 No.52653376 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653360
They lost the argument so now they’re just going “I have a higher rank then you do so I think I know a bit more about what’s right, BUDDY” despite not even having a higher rank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:50:28 No.52653381 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653336
The one whose failing to refute is you, buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:51:05 No.52653386 Report

Quoted By: >>52653430 >>52653459

>>52653297
The same people who allowed Scald for 10+ years despite fitting every definition of uncompetitive.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:51:39 No.52653392 Report

Quoted By: >>52653421 >>52653434 >>52653460 >>52653487 >>52653490

>>52653349
>>52653350
>>52653360
So I'm gonna explain it to you guys since you don't know how it works. To vote on suspect tests, you need to go on ladder and actually do well at it. If you look at the image, you will see that for example for this suspect, you're gonna have to create A NEW ALT ACCOUNT and get a GXE of 80 and play at least 50 games.
GXE (Glicko X-Act Estimate) is an estimate of your win chance against an average ladder player. Which means you need a pretty decent win rate to actually vote on it.
So not only are ladderings done on an alt, you also need to be good on it to vote. Do you get it now?

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:52:05 No.52653399 Report

Quoted By: >>52653435

>>52653336
>There is a voting process which you need high elo to vote in
So you're telling me the people who vote on the bans are people who have lots of elo points and are at risk of losing their voting rights if they lose those elo points in the future
That's interesting, definitely don't see any issues with that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:52:44 No.52653412 Report

Quoted By: >>52654041

>>52652815
Lol, lmao even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:53:07 No.52653421 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653392
I still don't understand. Can you explain it again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:54:14 No.52653430 Report

Quoted By: >>52653463

>>52653386
This continues to baffle me because it regularly decides high-level games. Was it a political issue? Did some high-ranking Smogon person shadowban discussion? Nobody with clout wanted to post a thread because it would get them dqed from further positions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:54:29 No.52653434 Report

Quoted By: >>52653450

>>52653392
Why are those people on the council?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:54:36 No.52653435 Report

Quoted By: >>52653544

>>52653399
No. It's done in a separate ladder/after ladder reset so you need to go and grind your ELO from zero to get voting reqs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:55:37 No.52653450 Report

Quoted By: >>52653467 >>52653490

>>52653434
Did you miss the part about the alts? Or are you just changing topics now?
If you want an answer anyways, usually they're on the council due to doing well in tourneys in the past.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:56:19 No.52653459 Report

Quoted By: >>52653495 >>52653519 >>52653755

>>52653386
Ok I will disagree with this, even though the burn is a 30% luck based chance, it’s a luck based chance that you have the capacity to respect. If your Pokémon is never hit by scald they will never be burned, so you could argue that it’s your own fault for getting burned because you let your Pokémon take the risk in the first place.

However, I don’t know my competitive Pokémon. If not letting your Pokémon be hit by scald was impossible or something then maybe it was actually uncompetitive. But things aren’t uncompetitive just because they have a 30% chance to potentially do something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:56:22 No.52653460 Report

Quoted By: >>52653489

>>52653392
That’s not Elo, it’s GXE.
You also only care about it now because you lost the argument and need to resort to appeal to authority, while also asking people to Dox themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:56:39 No.52653463 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653430
There was tons of discussion about banning Scald, and even a scald-less ladder at some point in gen5 I think.
They just thought it buffed water mons too much to remove I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:57:11 No.52653467 Report

Quoted By: >>52653489

>>52653450
Apparently thats not the case anymore.
So why haven't they stepped down and been replaced by people that are actually good at the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:58:14 No.52653487 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653392
Why do Smogonfags think these faggot rules and faggot concepts are acceptable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:58:20 No.52653489 Report

Quoted By: >>52653521 >>52653527 >>52653561

>>52653467
You are not reading my post. Did you forget the part where you need to ladder on an alt?
If they're so bad where are your tourney wins?
>>52653460
Elo or GXE, you have low of both. Just prove you're good at the game and I will take your opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:58:21 No.52653490 Report

Quoted By: >>52653526

>>52653450
>>52653392
I think you're missing his point, his point is why are they on the council of extremely good players of said meta when the ELO on their main accounts is so atrociously bad? The ability to vote on xyz ban or suspect wasn't the main thing that people are talking about it's that these high and mighty super skilled ep!c gamerz have shit ratings and yet are still on the council that decides everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:58:42 No.52653495 Report

Quoted By: >>52653517 >>52653567 >>52653592

>>52653459
Scald allowed Pex, Slowbro and Suicuine to beat their hard checks, how is that different to Tera?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:59:39 No.52653514 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651120
Wait but do you play on smogon formats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:59:51 No.52653517 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653495
Pex, Slowbro, and Suicune are defensive Pokemon :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:59:54 No.52653519 Report

Quoted By: >>52653592

>>52653459
The problem is that you often have no way to make progress without taking the gamble. It's bad enough that gen 7/8 has tons of matches that devolve to attempting to counter Toxapex by... PP stalling with your own Toxapex, because you can't risk anything taking Knock or Scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:00:05 No.52653521 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653489
Link their alt accounts then so we can see their record.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:00:24 No.52653526 Report

Quoted By: >>52653552 >>52653570

>>52653490
If you'd see what I said before, most of the laddering that matters (Suspects) is done on alts anyways. And these people have to use alts to train for tournament play since else people can just watch their games and see what teams they're testing with. This has already been a huge issue in the past before.
If they're so bad at the game, how do they keep doing well in tourneys then? It wouldn't make sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:00:27 No.52653527 Report

Quoted By: >>52653540

>>52653489
>If they're so bad where are your tourney wins?
What does that have to do with people on the council? They're in the position of power, the anon's wins don't matter. This isn't about him. Deflect harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:01:25 No.52653540 Report

Quoted By: >>52653575

>>52653527
If anon has no wins, then his opinion on what's healthy for the meta doesn't matter either, so yes

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:02:00 No.52653544 Report

Quoted By: >>52653557

>>52653435
I see. Regardless, it sounds like the bans are decided by people who have a personal interest in maximizing their own elo to maintain their voting rights in the future. I think I see now why they're worried more about the competitiveness of the game than being fun. Who designed this system I wonder?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:03:04 No.52653552 Report

Quoted By: >>52653569

>>52653526
Sounds like faggot excuses to cover up the fact that they're massive fucking low skill low ELO faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:03:13 No.52653557 Report

Quoted By: >>52653696

>>52653544
No, I don't think you got it. You don't get to high elo and then protect it with voting to ban stuff, you need to go and attain your high elo to vote in a new ladder to vote in the first place.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:03:26 No.52653561 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653489

post the councils alt accounts then this about the council not the faggot anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:03:48 No.52653563 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651165
i'd rape both those avatars

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:04:00 No.52653567 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653495
>https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/toxapex/
Just, uh, run two specific pokemon to beat it, or pack a Slowtwin, or find some other way to bring in something that can hurt it without getting maimed lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:04:14 No.52653569 Report

Quoted By: >>52653628 >>52653652

>>52653552
ok then go beat them at a tourney if they suck so much. You must have 999 tour wins if all the top players are low elo suckers right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:04:28 No.52653570 Report

Quoted By: >>52653594

>>52653526
>If they're so bad at the game, how do they keep doing well in tourneys then? It wouldn't make sense.
I mean they face off against each other in highly tuned metagames that they made to suit their needs, the mechanics tools abilities and mons that gave them trouble are banned so now they can just follow the sequence of what button presses they need to do to win without disruption. Kinda like a robot really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:04:50 No.52653575 Report

Quoted By: >>52653594

>>52653540
How does his opinion matter less than someone on the council who doesn't even play?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:05:46 No.52653592 Report

Quoted By: >>52653680

>>52653495
>>52653519

Ok in that sense, scald was definitely a problem. My original argument was that moves having a 30% chance to do other things was fine and could be played around.

But these mother fuckers could have had will-o-wisp and would still probably do well, because applying burn at all is what was making them strong.

Unless scald being a damaging move was also super important so correct me if I’m wrong on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:05:58 No.52653594 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653575
They all win the tourneys and tours so they do play.
>>52653570
Again, if it's so easy and predictable, there's no way a random wouldn't be able to join and play. There's even a huge incentive for it since these tourneys often have cash prizes too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:08:43 No.52653628 Report

Quoted By: >>52653640

>>52653569
Why the fuck would I want to play with Smogon's faggy faggot rules? I'd rather go win real prize money in real VGC tourneys, like I do regularly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:09:42 No.52653640 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653628
yeah, me too. I also have a great youtube channel where I make money off the fact that I was a champion in VGC once

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:10:23 No.52653652 Report

Quoted By: >>52653679

>>52653569
Not that guy but why are you making this about me? I was just pointing out the flaws in your argument caused by you overlooking and ignoring the other arguments in this thread. I have no personal horse in this race since I prefer LC and Monotype and I've always found OU to be too sweaty for my taste. Just wanted to point out the flaws in your argument caused by either unknowingly overlooking/misunderstanding key parts of other people's arguments or intentionally misrepresenting them.
Personally I'm inclined to agree with the other anons because of their normal accounts having such low ELOs, indicating that they only play against each other (as friends do) in a vacuum without differing opposition. When that differing opposition rarely occurs and they find new things that they can't handle they get butthurt (as many terminally online people do) and ban it at their own discretion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:11:01 No.52653663 Report

Quoted By: >>52653676

Imagine dicksucking a group of Pokemon players who don't give a fuck about you lmao. You don't have to defend their honor this much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:11:38 No.52653676 Report

Quoted By: >>52653689 >>52653695

>>52653663
You post your elo instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:11:42 No.52653679 Report

Quoted By: >>52653767

>>52653652
Again, if they were bad and only played against themselves, they wouldn't win tourneys. They all have alts that are used for laddering, it's just how it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:11:44 No.52653680 Report

Quoted By: >>52653723

>>52653592
Scald being damaging let it bypass taunt which mattered a decent amount.
The problem is the roulette which risked perma-crippling anything that came in to deal with it. Both players were forced to play this game as sitting out either required very specific teambuilding or just made you lose. Matches devolved into who got lucky, the same rationale for banning OHKO moves, Minimize, etc.
If Pex got WoW it would just be straight up powerful, not a casino.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:12:32 No.52653689 Report

Quoted By: >>52653724

>>52653676
Only faggots care about elos as much as you do, smoggie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:13:07 No.52653695 Report

Quoted By: >>52653724

>>52653676
Whatever Finch's is plus 10 points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:13:09 No.52653696 Report

Quoted By: >>52653730

>>52653557
If I attain high enough elo to vote on bans, and then I vote on bans, and the ladder resets, what do I have to do in order to vote again? how often does voting happen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:14:11 No.52653711 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651635
"No, I'm not actually a soldier" kills me because it's true

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:14:51 No.52653723 Report

Quoted By: >>52653797

>>52653680
I’m going to be honest as the main scald defender, my logic comes from playing too much Fire Emblem because every single Fire Emblem player hates rng and I’m only now realizing maybe these two games aren’t 100% comparable to each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:14:55 No.52653724 Report

Quoted By: >>52653749

>>52653689
>Scared
Ok
>>52653695
>Still in Special Olympic elo
Never comment on anything again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:15:15 No.52653730 Report

Quoted By: >>52653765

>>52653696
Suspect tests are always done on a new ladder. It always starts from zero.
>how often does voting happen?
At the start of a generation, very often. So if you're gonna try and vote in all of them, you're gonna have to get good in all kinds of varied metas as the game settles.
If people wanted to vote to preserve their voting rights, they'd always vote on "do not ban" since it'd be easier to get high on a ladder using the same mons that were available before, as you know the format already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:16:40 No.52653749 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653724
>>Scared
Gave me a good chuckle
Have another (you) retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:16:54 No.52653755 Report

Quoted By: >>52653785

>>52653459
The problem with Scald is that besides certain abilities, the only Pokemon that won’t be burned are Fire types. So your options were to switch a Fire type into Water attacks (which only Mega Zard X would take neutrally), ones that were pretty powerful too, or have a specific ability that’s immune to Water/Burns. All you could do is pray that Scald doesn’t proc and potentially ruin your Pokemon rest of the match.
And back in Gen 5/6, your Pokemon could really get ruined by Scald. Halves your damage and does more damage to you than leftovers, so your walls relying on leftovers recovery would get fucked as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:17:24 No.52653765 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653730
Gotcha, I think I understand now, appreciate the explanation

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:17:33 No.52653767 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653679
Again, tourneys with rules decided by whom exactly? That was my point as I said in my previous post, they cater the rules to themselves and their own playstyle. Things that are strong and disrupt the way they normally play get nae naed into oblivion which makes the game easier for them since they don't have to change the way they have to play. It's stacking the deck pre-emptively in their favor. I already said this to a certain extent here and if you actually read it and thought about it you wouldn't have asked this question.
>When that differing opposition rarely occurs and they find new things that they can't handle they get butthurt (as many terminally online people do) and ban it at their own discretion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:19:03 No.52653785 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653755
Yeah this really was just me comparing it to other games with luck based mechanics while also forgetting the other games I play have shit like positioning and range to consider and aren’t just turn based combat lmao. You can go ahead and call me a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:19:33 No.52653797 Report

Quoted By:

>>52653723
I'm honestly fine with RNG in games, but I don't make blatantly dumb and hypocritical posts like the one in the OP lol
If Smogon was actually serious about its mandate it would play nothing like it currently does

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:30:34 No.52653949 Report

Quoted By: >>52654138

>>52651264
>Things that are strong and disrupt the way they normally play get nae naed into oblivion which makes the game easier for them since they don't have to change the way they have to play.
Not to say I don't disagree with some of the mons that do or don't (Fuck Toxapex, everyday I thank God the mel ban didn't go through, and what even was the point in quickbanning cinderace) get suspected but it's like your purposely being obtuse for why things get suspected. Super offensive mons like early gen 8 Dracovish, Spectrier, Pheromosa, etc had been absolutely toxic to the metagame with the way they warped teambuilding and I for one don't mind not having to run shitters just to check a specific mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:31:20 No.52653958 Report

Quoted By:

I'm not even a compfag but I hope they ban Tera purely so that it will make all of you faggots sperg out

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:39:14 No.52654041 Report

Quoted By: >>52654457

>>52652815
>>52652844
>>52653002
>>52653320
>>52653328
>>52653412
A lot of tourney players mostly or entirely play ladder on alts when testing teams etc. because they don't want opponents to be able to scout their replays. You also see these people challenge other known good players directly through Discord when they want to grind out games because it's just better quality of play than vs ladder heroes. Once again, ladder is not actually that important to the real Smogonfags, it's secondary to tournaments.
Pic related, talah probably hasn't played more than 2 games of Gen 9 on their main but already has reqs. Either they're so good that they did this the first time they ever touched the tier, or they've been playing on alts.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:41:57 No.52654086 Report

Quoted By:

I honestly think they are being retarded.
>We don't like the surprise factor.
Okay then have it show up in team previews, whatever.
>Well that is just one option. The other options are: Ban all tera. Or you can only have one tera pokemon and it must be your lead. Or you can only tera pokemon into one of the types it already had (Fire into Fire).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:42:53 No.52654100 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651120
Why not just ban all future mechanics in all pokemon games at this rate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:46:32 No.52654138 Report

Quoted By: >>52654150

>>52653949
When most teams look like they're copy and pasted, I gotta question where the line is being drawn in the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:47:13 No.52654150 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654138
that's only true for VGC though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:48:51 No.52654163 Report

Quoted By: >>52654218

>>52651155
They're acting like they aren't doing everything in their power to make sure tera gets hit. Most people voted in favor of tera staying in some form, yet they decide to instead group the people who only wanted a minor hit with people who wanted it banned to keep the option to ban on the radar. Then they set up ranked choice voting so that you can't rank "keeping tera unchanged" below any of the restrictions while also forcing you to give a vote to every option. It's fucking laughable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:51:09 No.52654190 Report

Quoted By:

Al smogotroons will burn in hell - every holy book ever written, bible, koran, toran, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:51:54 No.52654199 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651595
>food analogy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:52:07 No.52654202 Report

Quoted By: >>52654214 >>52655241

if smogon bans tera they're absolutely done for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:53:10 No.52654214 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654202
No they aren't lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:53:21 No.52654218 Report

Quoted By: >>52654243 >>52654274

>>52654163
>Then they set up ranked choice voting so that you can't rank "keeping tera unchanged" below any of the restrictions while also forcing you to give a vote to every option. It's fucking laughable.
The first question is "do you want tiering action," the ranked choice only comes into effect if enough people vote "yes, we want tiering action." There's no point putting "keep unchanged" in the ranked choice because if the ranked choice kicks in, 60+% of voters have already voted against that. You are silly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:53:41 No.52654224 Report

Quoted By: >>52655493

omgon ban tera
booster energy is ok thoug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:55:12 No.52654243 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654218
You must understand critical thinking is hard for /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:56:03 No.52654252 Report

Quoted By:

why are smoggies like this, why do they hate fun so much bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 22:58:19 No.52654274 Report

Quoted By: >>52654352 >>52654408

>>52654218
What if I were to say want types shown, but would prefer no change over it getting banned? Why does it have to be split into two votes in the first place? Isn't the the kind of thing ranked choice is supposed to stop? And why is it 60% instead of 66%? Could it be because the vote for "action" where they shoved a full ban in with the more popular "just do what vgc is doing" didn't crack 66 but did get over 60???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:01:04 No.52654298 Report

Quoted By: >>52654394

they will literally ban everything until the meta is toxapex stall again, lmfao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:05:47 No.52654352 Report

Quoted By: >>52654409

>>52654274
>Why does it have to be split into two votes in the first place?
Because that’s Democracy for you, and now you see one of the biggest flaws of Democracy. You can’t truly give your opinions when it comes to Democracy and have to choose 1 of the 2 binary points that fit your opinion the most even if those 2 points have massive pool of different opinions.
And with any voting system, it has to be binary to avoid spoiler effect. Where the option/candidate people wanted the least still wins because the other side split their vote up.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:07:15 No.52654375 Report

Quoted By: >>52654537

>>52651587
i think tera should stay.
my win rate and elo? 0% and 1000.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:08:17 No.52654394 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654298
It will be funny seeing them banning like 100-150 mons after home drops since now Pex can't beat half of the things it used to beat with scald and defensive mons are worse in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:09:12 No.52654408 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654274
>What if I were to say want types shown, but would prefer no change over it getting banned? Why does it have to be split into two votes in the first place? Isn't the the kind of thing ranked choice is supposed to stop?
Oh, I misunderstood your post the first time, I'm silly. Yeah you're right, one big ranked choice would have been better rather than two questions.
>And why is it 60% instead of 66%?
This is normal Smogon procedure though, it's 60% + 1 to change the status quo. Nothing to do with this particular suspect test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:09:18 No.52654409 Report

Quoted By: >>52654445

>>52654352
Nta but they explicitly made this a binary pick to make it easier for a restriction to win

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:12:17 No.52654445 Report

Quoted By: >>52654508

>>52654409
Actually why is it even allowed to vote for a restriction in the first place? This is literally a speed boost Blaziken argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:13:05 No.52654457 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654041
shut up, talah. My Elo is still higher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:16:05 No.52654508 Report

Quoted By: >>52654561

>>52654445
Because nobody wants to do a "nerf"/complex ban to save just one Pokemon for obvious reasons, but nobody could agree on what to do with the big generational gimmick so they put all of the better ideas on the ballot. The other anon has a point though, proper ranked choice would have been better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:18:15 No.52654537 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654375
so you have never lost a game
he's too powerful

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:20:04 No.52654561 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654508
Maybe I’m struggling to put this into words but you shouldn’t be “suspect testing” game mechanics in the first place and ESPECIALLY if you’re not even going to do it like an actual suspect test. Follow your own rules, it should be ban or do not ban for the same reason they ban houndstone and not last respects. This strikes me as theatre, they’re pushing for a restriction and testing in a way to ensure that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:20:08 No.52654562 Report

Quoted By: >>52654781 >>52654794

Why do people keep calling smogon competitive pokemon? I keep thinking they're talking about VGC and it's messing with my brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:22:40 No.52654593 Report

Quoted By: >>52654612

>>52651661
You never went "Damn, I just lost my Lando check, now I just auto lose the game" like
the 3 you posted last. You were done once Palafin got one too many Bulk Ups, Tera Ghost Flutter Mane would run a train through non-Normal Type, and trying to switch into a non-Specs Iron Bundle was a legit coin flip on whether or not you get BTFOed by Hydro Pump or Freeze Dry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:24:28 No.52654612 Report

Quoted By: >>52655042

>>52654593
>You never went “damn I lost my Lando check now I lose the game”

Woooooow support Pokemon enables other Pokemon to do things so it can never EVER be broken what retarded fucking logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:40:06 No.52654781 Report

Quoted By: >>52654794

>>52654562
I've been barking up this tree for years
Since 2008 competitive has been vgc doubles but they have this feeling of superiority so they'll never admit it

Nothing makes me cringe harder than seeing people talk about tiers here
You have a site to discuss that, stay in your containment community

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:41:30 No.52654794 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654562
>>52654781
sounds like a you problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Dec 2022 23:42:07 No.52654799 Report

Quoted By: >>52655491

Lando is balanced
Stall is fun
Smogon will ban tera and still be popular
Smogon >>>> VGC
SEETHE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:00:10 No.52655042 Report

Quoted By: >>52655310

>>52654612
>support Pokemon enables other Pokemon to do things so it can never EVER be broken
Yeah.... the reason why 99% Pokémon get banned is because by themselves, they are broken and/or unfun. The other 1% is stuff like Baton Pass, which had a long history of attempting to balance it before finally dropping the hammer on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:04:31 No.52655096 Report

Quoted By: >>52655213

>>52651854
The problem is that since Terra is so prominent, it creates a conundrum where you don't know that it's busted by itself, or if that Terra is the thing that sends it overboard. So, it's just relevant to get the elephant out of the room before proceeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:06:27 No.52655115 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652908
Z-Moves were much harder to snowball with due to their one time use and Megas were separated from their base forms and tiered accordingly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:13:52 No.52655213 Report

Quoted By: >>52655431

>>52655096
I feel like only a few Pokemon are sent over the edge by Tera and would fine otherwise is pretty small. Like you have Dragonite, who is basically designed to be amazing with Tera, and Dragapult, and that’s all I can think of for Pokemon who are fine without Tera.
But you got to ask, what if Dragapult got Shadow Claw or there was a Flying type E-speed for Dragonite? Banning Tera because it makes these 2 OP when they’re fine is like banning Shadow Claw to protect Dragapult

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:15:54 No.52655241 Report

Quoted By: >>52655737

>>52654202
>if smogon bans dynamax they're absolutely done for.
>if smogon bans mega rayquaza they're absolutely done for.
>if smogon bans blaziken they're absolutely done for.
>if smogon bans baton pass they're absolutely done for.
>if smogon bans double team they're absolutely done for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:20:08 No.52655310 Report

Quoted By: >>52655505 >>52655561

>>52655042
>Yeah.... the reason why 99% Pokémon get banned is because by themselves, they are broken and/or unfun.

I think Pokemon that are incredibly safe and can click U turn with no punishment due to the inherent risk of being hit with a 145 attack EQ are unfun but apparently it can never be suspected because “EQ has immunity just switch every time it comes out”

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:27:48 No.52655421 Report

Quoted By: >>52655658

just skimming through this thread and these are some of the most out of touch, 1300 max elo takes ive ever seen

a great case study on the dunning kruger effect.

smogon is based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:28:34 No.52655431 Report

Quoted By: >>52655997

>>52655213
I only play Doubles OU/VGC, but from what I heard that you have things like Skeledirge would probably fall even pass UU if it could no longer terra into Fairy, Garganacl similarly relies on terra to duck the flaw of being a defensive Rock-Type, Annihilape terraing into Water or Steel to help set-up Rage Fist, and pretty much every offensive threat potentially slotting in Terra Blast in order to completely fuck over would be counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:32:37 No.52655491 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654799
>Smogon will ban tera and still be popular
Smogon isn't even popular now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:32:38 No.52655493 Report

Quoted By:

>>52654224
booster energy is not the thing that makes paradox pokemon broken. only a few paradox mons prefer to even run booster energy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:33:22 No.52655505 Report

Quoted By: >>52655543

>>52655310
Landours-T can't just switch into everything and anything thanks to its comparatively low special defense, and it gets outsped by a lot of OU's common offensive threats, which is only a blessing if you're actively clicking U-Turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:36:35 No.52655543 Report

Quoted By: >>52655600

>>52655505
>Lando has weaknesses so it’s not OP

Every Gen lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:38:11 No.52655561 Report

Quoted By: >>52655620

>>52655310
mad cause bad? I want whatever you're smoking if you think landorus is broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:42:00 No.52655600 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655543
>Lando's weaknesses are things that people generally have to worry about compared only losing to very specific strategies that counter things that do get banned, so it's not OP
Every Gen lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:43:42 No.52655620 Report

Quoted By: >>52655657 >>52655688

>>52655561
>Lando isn’t broken
>yeah it is, the offensive pressure of Earthquake off 145 base attack combined with utility moves such as U turn provides incredible utility
>”but it can’t sweep so other Pokemon have to play too so it’s not broken”

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:43:56 No.52655624 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651264
Ahahahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:47:41 No.52655657 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655620
you know what else has high base attack combined with U-turn and incredible utility?

honchkrow. simply use honchkrow and you will succeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:47:43 No.52655658 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655421
Any format that bans Houndstone is automatically unbased

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:48:48 No.52655671 Report

Quoted By: >>52655688

>>52651175
What's that third Pokemon on Soulwind's team?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:50:27 No.52655688 Report

Quoted By: >>52655711 >>52655875

>>52655620
>Pokémon is powerful enough be be viable on the highest levels of play, but not too powerful that it wins you the game by itself
That seems like it's balanced to me.

>>52655671
Galarian Slowking

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:51:40 No.52655699 Report

Quoted By: >>52656692

>>52651175
by this logic gen 5 ou and LC are the greatest metagames of all time (true)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:52:46 No.52655708 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651175
SOVLwind

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:52:55 No.52655711 Report

Quoted By: >>52655752 >>52655807

>>52655688
Idk if Lando is op but it should get banned just for variety's sake
Get out of the fucking comfort zone and use some new Pokémon ffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:55:16 No.52655737 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655241
Banning the new gimmick for each generation sure makes for a fun game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:56:05 No.52655748 Report

Quoted By: >>52655777

>>52651763
I wonder what a smogon singles 6v6 metagame with no items, no EVs and all IVs set to 0 would look like

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:56:29 No.52655752 Report

Quoted By: >>52655772 >>52655786

>>52655711
this is just un uneducated take.

lando is the perfect glue to every team. it's the king of role compression, its prevalence is one of the sole reasons that this much variety exists.

it can fill so many team slots at once so your team isnt comprised of 1 mon for a defogger, 1 hazard setter, 1 bulky pivot etc etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:58:16 No.52655772 Report

Quoted By: >>52655788

>>52655752
Don't care
Using the same Pokémon over and over is boring
Uses
Use some new ones already

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:58:32 No.52655777 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655748
this exists actually! in the form of LGPE ou, though its pretty damn brainless once you learn the common few interactions

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:59:08 No.52655786 Report

Quoted By: >>52655804

>>52655752
So you're saying it's so good it feels like you're required to use it for every given team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 00:59:41 No.52655788 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655772
Be the change you want to see in the world, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:01:11 No.52655802 Report

Quoted By: >>52655815 >>52656129

I can't take Smogon seriously until they blanket ban all legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:01:18 No.52655804 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655786
never said you feel you're required to use it. it just works as a perfect glue once you already have a core of 3-4 mons figured out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:01:21 No.52655807 Report

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>>52655711
The main problem comes with how much is "too much" just for variety's sake. Should we ban Pokémon that have similarly been OU just as long as Lando like Dragonite, Scizor, Breloom, and Heatram, just to shake up the meta? And if you really want variety, you can always just jump into a lower tier or even a different meta game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:02:32 No.52655815 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655802
ikr, articuno is so damn broken!

even VGC allows non-restricted legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:05:57 No.52655860 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651120
>The smogon community has always tried to make this game competitive,
>and Fun has always been Secondary to that.
At least those fags are finally honest about their fanfic meta not being fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:07:20 No.52655875 Report

Quoted By: >>52655991

>>52655688
Holy fuck you people are retarded. Palafin with bulk up doesn’t win a game “on its own”, it’s a win condition you can use your other Pokemon to help set up. Let me put it this way:
Can a Pokemon that is not a win condition be OP?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:18:55 No.52655991 Report

Quoted By: >>52656006

>>52655875
What are you talking about? Most Palafin matches just before it got banned, would open with Flip Turn, wait until it can switch in safely, Bulk Up once or twice, then Jet Punch/Drain Punch until it wins..

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:19:13 No.52655997 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655431
Skeledirge would still be good without Tera, and is fine, but I’m talking about Pokemon who would be broken with Tera but are fine otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:20:14 No.52656006 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655991
Sick non answer
Can Pokemon that are not a win condition be OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:21:14 No.52656010 Report

Quoted By:

>watch streamers that I know don't kowtow to meta garbage
>Still see approx 200 Tera-Normal Jap Dragonites a day
Fucking BUGMEN just try new things this is the LEARNING PHASE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 01:31:11 No.52656129 Report

Quoted By: >>52656520

>>52655802
Psuedos are stronger than almost every non box legendary/mythicals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:00:12 No.52656520 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656129
Sometimes non pseudo are just straight up stronger than most legendaroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:06:30 No.52656585 Report

Quoted By: >>52656741

>it's another episode of smogon are retards for banning stuff
>but also why haven't they banned lando yet it's so op

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:07:52 No.52656599 Report

Quoted By: >>52656625 >>52656676 >>52656723 >>52656813 >>52657188

Someone should post screencaps from the Smogon discord, it's fucking glorious they are literally linking their posts in this thread trying to defend eachother, and are pretty much banning people on sight who has even a slight disagreement about the tera ban, the forums are also lockdown right now and people are scared shitless to talk because bans are coming down like the sledgehammer, this might be the end of smogon/showdown if this shitstorm continues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:09:52 No.52656625 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656599
Post discord screenshots so we can laugh at them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:12:26 No.52656647 Report

Quoted By: >>52656716 >>52656916 >>52656934

You now realize that even if Smogon votes not to ban something, the administrator can literally ignore the vote and ban it anyway.

It is about power. It always has been. From Shoddy Battle to Pokémon Showdown: These things are run by narcissists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:14:30 No.52656676 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656599
Was pretty obvious Smogon fags were in the last thread too, tripping over each other to try and cover their retardedness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:15:36 No.52656692 Report

Quoted By:

>>52655699
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:16:54 No.52656704 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651155
>y'all
anybody who uses this word should shoot themself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:17:58 No.52656716 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656647
This. They're going to ban tera. It doesn't matter if 90% of the community votes to keep tera. They'll ban it anyway or "modify" it to "please everyone".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:18:32 No.52656723 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656599
Okay, Anon-chan... evidence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:20:42 No.52656741 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656585
>Lando is not OP because I ascribe to a value system where only offensive Pokemon can ever be OP
>Slow game good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:27:24 No.52656813 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656599
show evidence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:36:01 No.52656914 Report

Quoted By:

I miss when Showdown could go below 1000 Elo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:36:13 No.52656916 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656647
>It is about power. It always has been. From Shoddy Battle to Pokémon Showdown: These things are run by narcissists.
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:37:22 No.52656934 Report

Quoted By: >>52657043

>>52656647
When has that ever happened? You're inventing imaginary scenarios just to get mad at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:46:07 No.52657043 Report

Quoted By: >>52657053

>>52656934
>When has that ever happened?
Quickbans that have no vote process. Stop trying to defend these power trippers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:47:05 No.52657053 Report

Quoted By: >>52657076

>>52657043
So they've never ignored a suspect test's vote?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:48:57 No.52657076 Report

Quoted By: >>52657081

>>52657053
>I'm going to ignore quickbans and just assume you can't find any evidence because Smogon hid it all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:49:21 No.52657081 Report

Quoted By:

>>52657076
You're literally inventing imaginary scenarios for the sole purpose of getting mad at them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:51:11 No.52657094 Report

Quoted By: >>52657107

Reminder this thread is being actively patrolled by Smogon posters, so you really shouldn't be surprises when these narcissists defend Smogon like their lives depend on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:52:09 No.52657107 Report

Quoted By: >>52657679

>>52657094
Been here longer than you have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 02:59:13 No.52657188 Report

Quoted By:

>>52656599
And then everyone clapped

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 03:46:50 No.52657679 Report

Quoted By:

>>52657107
I like how you don't even deny you're from Smogon. That's cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 04:37:23 No.52658272 Report

Quoted By:

>>52651264
Finch plays like a fucking robot. BIHI read him like a book.
>Of course he's going to lead with Landorus
>Of course he's going to switch to a Steel-type when he sees Kyurem
>Of course he's going to switch to Fini or Dragapult when he sees Earth Power
>Of course he's going to Protect to get that little bit of HP back
The in-game singleplayer AI is less predictable than he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Dec 2022 04:42:03 No.52658331 Report

Quoted By:

>>52652736
>This is what a "high elo" smogon player looks like.
Wrong. His elo is 1193. See>>52652815
Keep in mind that your usage doesn't even count toward tiering stats if your elo is lower than 1695.

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