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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 15:39:28 No.52795044 View View Reply Original Report

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I'm calling it. Signature moves/abilities don't last.
Next gen Hariyama is getting a Fighting/Ground evo with Purifying Salt as its ability, based on a yokozuna. Or one of Hariyama's existing abilities will be retconned to Purifying Salt.

Anything else new to SV that you can see getting wider distribution?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 15:53:19 No.52795152 Report

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>>52795044
Make it Rain for Perrzerker.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 15:54:59 No.52795168 Report

Quoted By: >>52795238

>>52795044
Hyper drill for excadrill even Beedrill/Fearow can get this shit move

I can see Comatose to some other mon too and I think that the only signature ability that will be exclusive till the end are Forecast/Gulp Missile/Disguise because all of them have special animation

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:04:31 No.52795238 Report

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>>52795168
ICE FACE

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:09:44 No.52795284 Report

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>>52795044
Hashirama has Sheer Force??? How is he only UU with that attack stat doubled?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:13:47 No.52795316 Report

Quoted By: >>52795367

>>52795284
Sheer force doesn’t double attack, you’re thinking of pure power

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:16:12 No.52795332 Report

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>>52795284
Being extremely slow with bad defenses doesn't give it a lot of room to do much, even with that good attack stat.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:19:19 No.52795355 Report

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>>52795044
Dragon Ascent Salamence

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:21:20 No.52795367 Report

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>>52795316
Mawile lead me into confusion on this one, my bad. But it made me think if even with such a boost Haryana could pull out of OU

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:21:41 No.52795370 Report

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>>52795284
Because pokemon is fundamentally obsessed with the speed stat. Shit game design

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:22:53 No.52795384 Report

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>>52795044
>Hariyama immediately getting a regional after it just got a paradox
I don’t think so bucko

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:24:44 No.52795402 Report

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>>52795370
If you've ever been in a real fight you would know speed is the most important thing to have faggot

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:26:31 No.52795417 Report

Quoted By: >>52795698 >>52799294

>>52795402
If you've ever been in a real fight you would know there's alot more to a fight than a strictly defined 'speed' stat.
>he thinks because he can run 0.0001 MPH faster that his strike will always land first, even if it means crossing a field when the other guy has a gun

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:26:55 No.52795424 Report

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>>52795402
TIMING BEATS SPEED
PRECISION BEATS POWER

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:38:57 No.52795527 Report

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>>52795402
>heh, I'm sure to win because my speed is superi-ACK!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 16:59:18 No.52795669 Report

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>>52795370
Its a problem of balance.
There are slow pokemon with shit defenses, and fast pokemon with good defenses.
So its not balanced that way.

The other issue is where there's some RNG in terms of what damage you do or take, there's none in terms of how your speed stat effects who goes first.
1 point of speed difference might as well be 1000000 points of speed difference.
I remember seeing an Anon say that slower pokemon should have an increased critical hit rate, I think I agree with that.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 17:04:22 No.52795698 Report

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>>52795417
Even ignoring that a guy with a gun, by definition, is effectively dozens of times faster than a guy without one, yes, you stupid faggot, being able to land jabs or elbows slightly faster or having a better reaction speed can be the world of difference. The reason why Tyson is the legend he is is because he was fast as fuck
>>52795527
>enemy attacks faster than the player can move
>in vidya
Thanks for proving my point while still fucking up

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 18:15:41 No.52796271 Report

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>>52795402

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 19:07:19 No.52796702 Report

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>>52795044
I'm surprised they only did Spirit Break and Jaw Lock this gen, and to only 1 other Pokemon each. I'm surprised Magic Powder didn't get distributed further.

I can definitely see Opportunist being distributed further in future gens. I would be surprised if Minccino/Cinccino didn't get Tidy Up. I still think Buizel/Floatzel should get Propellor Tail. I'm glad they finally gave Parabolic Charge to more Pokemon. I'm still surprised nothing else gets Stalwart

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 19:33:45 No.52796909 Report

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>>52796702
>I would be surprised if Minccino/Cinccino didn't get Tidy Up.
Seems more like an Indeedee thing. Maybe Sableye?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 20:46:14 No.52797529 Report

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>>52795698
>I run fast that means I punch fast
wrong. get fucked speedfags, running around in circles and then jumping into a big meaty fist is all you're good for

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 21:57:34 No.52798201 Report

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>>52795284
WHY DO YOU KEEP SPELLING THAT NAME WRONG

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 22:37:25 No.52798567 Report

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>>52795402
Nah, it's having a knife or a gun if you're a Burger.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 22:54:51 No.52798719 Report

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>>52796909
Maybe? But the chinchillas' gimmick is how they sweep things with their tail to clean up dust.

>>52796702
I'm shocked more things didn't get those moves. Spirit Break makes a lot of sense on a ton of other mons (jap name is "Soul Crash"). Jaw Lock could have easily gone to other dogs besides Maschiff and then also shit like Gumshoos. Eventually it should go to more Pokemon with Strong Jaw or a lot of biting moves. Magic Powder seems gimmicky enough it doesn't make sense on a ton of other mons... But I could see something unexpected learning it for shits and giggles, like Espeon or Morelull

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Anonymous Mon 26 Dec 2022 23:22:50 No.52798947 Report

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>>52795044
They rarely retcon abilities unless they absolutely have to. Instead they'll just fill empty slots, which Hariyama doesn't have. At best we'll see a regional or evo with the Salt ability. Someone with more autism than me will correct me, I'm sure, but the only times they actually *replaced* abilities (and didn't just fill an empty slot) were
>Chandelure line losing Shadow Tag in Gen 6 to nerf it
>Gengar losing Levitate in Gen 7 to nerf it
>Linoone losing Run Away for Gluttony when that ability got added in Gen 4
>Basculin forms having weird fucked up abilities that kept changing between games in Gen 5
>Birds and beasts having their HAs changed once they became available legally
>Scolipede's HA changing between games

It's super rare they change an ability slot for something without a good reason

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:01:19 No.52799294 Report

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>>52795417
Bullet Punch is +1 priority anon, of course it goes first

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:03:29 No.52799313 Report

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Wind Rider fits, but it has three rare and fitting abilities already.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:05:46 No.52799330 Report

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Sharpness

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:08:19 No.52799344 Report

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>>52799294
priorities are inconsistent and band-aid tier.
Let's look at something like flamethrower vs take down. It's safe to assume the flamethrower will hit first in a real battle, misses aside. And yet because the take downer can have 1 point speed more, take down will hit first.
fucking NONSENSE. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AND IF TWO POKEMON USE GIGA IMPACT ON EACHOTHER, THEY SHOULD BOTH HIT EACHOTHER. WHAT IS THIS TAKING-TURNS BULLSHIT, THAT DOESN"T HAPPEN
WHERE ARE MY HYPER BEAM DUELS? WHERE ARE MY FLAMETHROWER DUELS? I WANT TO SEE DOUBLE KO'S BECAUSE POKEMON WERE TOO EVENLY MATCHED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:09:25 No.52799352 Report

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>>52799344
Sorry, that would be too cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:11:35 No.52799370 Report

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>>52799344
A mechanic where Pokémon can be reduced to 0 HP but don't get KO'd until the end of the turn could be interesting. Make it the intrinsic passive of Rock types

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:21:29 No.52799467 Report

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>>52799344
>tfw you and the champion will never be down to your last pokemon, both pokemon using a physical attack, both pokemon bringing eachother to 0hp
>you will never watch as the game runs a series of checks in the background with animations showing them struggling to remain standing, last one standing wins
>you will never watch your starter collapse half a second after the champion's, flooding you with dopamine and then immediately draining it all away when you see they only outlast the champion because of Affection bonuses that you can't disable, robbing you of your legitimate win
what the fuck is Gamefreak even doing

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 00:22:44 No.52799477 Report

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>>52795284
Fuck Uchihas

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 01:01:29 No.52799831 Report

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>>52796702
>>52798719
oh I forgot to mention too, they gave the bike lizards Breaking Swipe

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 02:25:09 No.52800528 Report

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>>52798201
hairy yama

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 02:28:35 No.52800559 Report

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>>52795044
I expected Meowscarada to get Powder, Vivillon's signature move, would've been a funny way to nuke fire-types. But instead they just removed it altogether. Lame.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 02:30:53 No.52800584 Report

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>>52799370
>spoiler
Have fun eating a self destruct every fucking time you come across Garganacl or a Regi

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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2022 04:47:48 No.52801782 Report

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>>52795044
I hope they do last.
They give a Pokemon at least a fraction of a niche.

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