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Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 20:56:09 No.52863490 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52867212 >>52867267 >>52869217 >>52876472

Competitive pokemon General
/cpg/
Murkrow tailwind edition
What's working? What's not?
What Japanese off the wall tactics have you seen?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 20:58:55 No.52863516 Report

Quoted By: >>52863536 >>52863553

Less than 8 hours left bros loading up 6 games right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 21:01:06 No.52863536 Report

Quoted By: >>52863668

>>52863516
Voting for or against Tera ban?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 21:03:22 No.52863553 Report

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>>52863516
you get less GXE growth when booting games simultaneously. I tried cheesing my way through 1000 at the start

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 21:20:00 No.52863668 Report

Quoted By: >>52864248

>>52863536
I'm no ban/ if I had to vote on something just showing on preview whenever Pokemon Home gives us oldmons 100% ban there's no way I'm playing in a metagame where Lando T is Uber because of Tera

>>52863553
It seems to be working so far I don't have the patience to wait for people to click

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 21:25:59 No.52863730 Report

Quoted By: >>52864192 >>52864798 >>52866328 >>52867656

Any advice on how to adjust this team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 22:23:26 No.52864192 Report

Quoted By: >>52864264

>>52863730
What's not working?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 22:30:08 No.52864248 Report

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>>52863668
>there's no way I'm playing in a metagame where Lando T is Uber because of Tera
Wouldn't you be happy for Lando T to be gone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 22:32:09 No.52864264 Report

Quoted By: >>52864347

>>52864192
I don’t really have a good option for dealing with trick room, specifically Armarouge Indeedee except for Hydreigon Garchomp and hope for the best. Farigiraf with armor tail is also dangerous since I can’t taunt or fake out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 22:43:53 No.52864347 Report

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>>52864264
Houndoom works, the only downside is running Houndoom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 22:57:38 No.52864503 Report

Quoted By: >>52864517

Has anyone else realized Golduck can OHKO every weather setter in this format yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 22:59:14 No.52864517 Report

Quoted By: >>52864526

>>52864503
how does it ohko pelipper

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 23:00:03 No.52864526 Report

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>>52864517
Modest, max Special EV investment
Choice Specs
Power Gem

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 23:32:21 No.52864778 Report

Quoted By: >>52864892 >>52864947 >>52866972

Surprised nobody's mentioned that within the next 24 hours or so, UU is leaving Alpha and RU is becoming a thing. What is everyone expecting in terms of Rises/Drops and UU bans?

>>52863553
...that explains a lot about my suspect runs in the past

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 23:34:36 No.52864798 Report

Quoted By: >>52864821

>>52863730
I prefer 252 atk/252 sp def/6 hp hariyama with assault vest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 23:38:57 No.52864821 Report

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>>52864798
Yeah maybe. I like assault vest Hydreigon a lot, but I could always swap to life orb or choice specs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 23:47:35 No.52864873 Report

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Ive been using this around the 1650 range for good success. Trick room is great fun against most teams.

Azumarill mogs the ape so hard, and if it doesnt Pelipper does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Jan 2023 23:50:57 No.52864892 Report

Quoted By: >>52865349

>>52864778
Weavile will clean house and Staraptor may finally be let back into UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:00:05 No.52864947 Report

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>>52864778
I can't wait for the chaos that ensues in the hours before Cinderace gets quick banned from UU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:49:54 No.52865349 Report

Quoted By: >>52865387 >>52865458 >>52868145

>>52864892
I doubt Staraptor will be true UU even now. It's Chi-Yu in bird form. This thing hits like a 10 ton truck. Anything and everything is in 2HKO range, especially with a Tera boost.

Even the physically bulkiest Pokemon ever invented, Dondozo, is a clean 2HKO with a Tera Boost.
>252 Atk Life Orb Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 188-224 (37.3 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:53:56 No.52865387 Report

Quoted By: >>52865406

>>52865349
Well you know what, maybe they should just play Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:55:35 No.52865406 Report

Quoted By: >>52865412

>>52865387
Might as well play Rotation Battles if you want to play a meme format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:56:05 No.52865412 Report

Quoted By: >>52865419

>>52865406
Anon. Singles IS the meme format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:56:36 No.52865419 Report

Quoted By: >>52865435

>>52865412
Singles is the real format. Anything other than 6v6 singles is a bad meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 00:57:55 No.52865435 Report

Quoted By: >>52865453

>>52865419
If it's the real format why is it braindead compared to doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:00:33 No.52865453 Report

Quoted By: >>52865466

>>52865435
Singles requires more thought because the games go longer. Doubles matches last like 5 - 7 turns. Singles matches last like 30 - 40 turns. Even if you have twice as many options in Doubles, it still doesn't reach half the complexity of singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:00:46 No.52865458 Report

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>>52865349
>Running Life Orb
Allow me to show you the way
252 Atk Choice Band Reckless Tera Normal Staraptor Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 292-344 (57.9 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:01:43 No.52865466 Report

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>>52865453
Longer=/=Good, brevity is the soul of wit. Not games where half the battle is switching and stacking buffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:05:01 No.52865489 Report

Quoted By: >>52865499 >>52865567

>>52865466
Longer, in this case, is better
>Brevity is the soul of wit
That isn't a phrase that applies to video games.

>Not games where half the battle is switching
That's still better than games that are half Protect and Follow Me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:05:53 No.52865498 Report

Quoted By: >>52865524 >>52865531 >>52865532 >>52865575 >>52865638 >>52867831 >>52868593 >>52869799 >>52871763 >>52874132

Ladies and Gentlemen, the tier shifts have happened, and we are in for some SHIT

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-january-2023-ru-having-fun.3713705/

>Azumarill moved from New to OU
>Hatterene moved from New to OU
>Pawmot moved from New to OU
>Rotom-Wash moved from New to OU

>Baxcalibur moved from OU to UU
>Charizard moved from OU to UU
>Ditto moved from OU to UU
>Lokix moved from OU to UU
>Maushold moved from OU to UU
>Orthworm moved from OU to UU
>Tyranitar moved from OU to UU

UU is official, RU is now in Alpha, and for some reason Espathara didn't move!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:06:05 No.52865499 Report

Quoted By: >>52865535

>>52865489
>That's still better than games that are half Protect and Follow Me.
I can tell you barely played Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:06:45 No.52865507 Report

Quoted By: >>52865740

How do I make Quaquaval work in doubles? I love that flamboyant bastard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:08:34 No.52865524 Report

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>>52865498
>Tyranitar moved from OU to UU
And what will the next cope be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:08:58 No.52865531 Report

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>>52865498
>the absolute state of UU
That won't be playable for a couple months.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:08:59 No.52865532 Report

Quoted By: >>52865543 >>52865547 >>52868349 >>52868855 >>52870911

>>52865498
UH Skelesisters, what's this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:09:19 No.52865535 Report

Quoted By: >>52865546

>>52865499
And you've barely played singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:10:20 No.52865543 Report

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>>52865532
YES
DUCK GODS RULE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:10:32 No.52865546 Report

Quoted By: >>52865632

>>52865535
Nah, you don't get to say that. You didn't contest me when I said half of Singles was switching and stacking buffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:10:40 No.52865547 Report

Quoted By: >>52865907

>>52865532
Not a Skelesister, but in a meta as centralized as this, 5.9% usage is decent

>>52865531
I can tell you exactly what's going to happen over the next couple weeks
>Baxcalibur ban
>Raptor ban
>Espathara ban
>Tera restrictions coming into place forcing EVERYONE to remake teams

After that it should even out until Feb. Thankfully Ace didn't drop

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:13:09 No.52865567 Report

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>>52865489
Thanks for telling us you're a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:13:42 No.52865575 Report

Quoted By: >>52865600 >>52865603 >>52865638 >>52865664 >>52865719 >>52867789 >>52867860 >>52869799

>>52865498
And for everyone curious, here's your OU top 40!

| 1 | Great Tusk | 37.895% |
| 2 | Gholdengo | 37.690% |
| 3 | Chi-Yu | 34.145% |
| 4 | Dragonite | 28.175% |
| 5 | Iron Valiant | 26.986% |
| 6 | Ting-Lu | 25.386% |
| 7 | Chien-Pao | 24.905% |
| 8 | Dragapult | 20.987% |
| 9 | Annihilape | 20.664% |
| 10 | Kingambit | 17.901% |
| 11 | Glimmora | 16.749% |
| 12 | Corviknight | 16.603% |
| 13 | Garganacl | 15.527% |
| 14 | Roaring Moon | 15.349% |
| 15 | Hatterene | 15.040% |
| 16 | Dondozo | 14.746% |
| 17 | Rotom-Wash | 14.735% |
| 18 | Iron Treads | 13.961% |
| 19 | Garchomp | 11.306% |
| 20 | Amoonguss | 10.936% |
| 21 | Volcarona | 9.391% |
| 22 | Clodsire | 9.211% |
| 23 | Scizor | 8.039% |
| 24 | Breloom | 7.522% |
| 25 | Cyclizar | 7.364% |
| 26 | Iron Moth | 7.003% |
| 27 | Quaquaval | 6.966% |
| 28 | Meowscarada | 6.331% |
| 29 | Azumarill | 6.233% |
| 30 | Torkoal | 6.160% |
| 31 | Grimmsnarl | 6.104% |
| 32 | Skeledirge | 5.971% |
| 33 | Toxapex | 5.851% |
| 34 | Ceruledge | 5.842% |
| 35 | Pawmot | 5.466% |
| 36 | Iron Hands | 5.121% |
| 37 | Pelipper | 4.491% |
| 38 | Espathra | 4.230% |
| 39 | Baxcalibur | 4.096% |
| 40 | Cinderace | 2.982% |

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:16:12 No.52865600 Report

Quoted By: >>52865687 >>52867803

>>52865575
Remember when someone tried to make a bait thread yesterday saying Smogon was going to quickban Cinderace?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:17:10 No.52865603 Report

Quoted By: >>52865687

>>52865575
>slap the top 6 together as a team
>have a good team
Hate this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:20:32 No.52865632 Report

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>>52865546
Switching is an important part of the game. Stacking buffs isn't even that prominent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:21:11 No.52865638 Report

Quoted By: >>52865648 >>52865719

>>52865498
>>52865575
Last and CERTAINLY not least, here is your new RU tier. I included the top 40 or so, but it goes beyond this

46 | Blissey | 4.411% |
| 47 | Tatsugiri | 4.193% |
| 48 | Cloyster | 4.035% |
| 49 | Primeape | 3.670% |
| 50 | Tauros-Paldea-Fire | 3.599% |
| 51 | Magnezone | 3.546% |
| 52 | Revavroom | 3.524% |
| 53 | Bellibolt | 3.466% |
| 54 | Arboliva | 3.297% |
| 55 | Toxtricity | 3.295% |
| 56 | Flamigo | 3.255% |
| 57 | Lycanroc-Dusk | 3.120% |
| 58 | Cetitan | 3.075% |
| 59 | Golduck | 3.075% |
| 60 | Espeon | 3.069% |
| 61 | Haxorus | 2.995% |
| 62 | Gardevoir | 2.981% |
| 63 | Arcanine | 2.927% |
| 64 | Goodra | 2.813% |
| 65 | Bombirdier | 2.615% |
| 66 | Bronzong | 2.482% |
| 67 | Altaria | 2.370% |
| 68 | Coalossal | 2.359% |
| 69 | Avalugg | 2.314% |
| 70 | Krookodile | 2.285% |
| 71 | Mismagius | 2.093% |
| 72 | Abomasnow | 2.065% |
| 73 | Frosmoth | 2.042% |
| 74 | Morgrem | 1.976% |
| 75 | Dudunsparce | 1.869% |
| 76 | Sableye | 1.658% |
| 77 | Weavile | 1.566% |
| 78 | Slowbro | 1.466% |
Let the games begin!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:22:07 No.52865648 Report

Quoted By: >>52865684 >>52865687

>>52865638
>BLissey
>Toxtricity
>Lycanroc-D
>Haxorus
>Krookodile
>Weavile
what the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:23:22 No.52865664 Report

Quoted By: >>52865684 >>52865687

>>52865575
Why are so many people using Scizor? It's just not good in the current format. Like, not good at all. It lost so many moves that it had when it fell to UU in Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:25:36 No.52865684 Report

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>>52865648
powercreep do be real
>>52865664
Iron Valiant and tera steel Bullet Punch cleans through a lot of HO builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:25:51 No.52865687 Report

Quoted By: >>52865700

>>52865664
Probably a combination of residual from the more super offensive moments in the meta and people using it to deal with Valiant

Personally I've tried making it work past Palafin meta and it's just not good. It has moments where it really shines, like vs teams that don't have Dozo as part of their defensive structure, but the moment you run into Water Garga/Donzo/Chi Yu you basically eat shit

>>52865648
If you think that's bad, Chansey was so low on the usage stats I couldn't even capture it. It was below LEAFEON
>>52865603
Oh man you'd despise RBY then
>>52865600
Good times, good times. It'll probably be good but I don't think it'll be banworthy. That Libero nerf sucks HARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:27:03 No.52865700 Report

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>>52865687
>If you think that's bad, Chansey was so low on the usage stats I couldn't even capture it. It was below LEAFEON
Chansey got nerfed to hell, it will never be used over Blissey ever again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:30:03 No.52865719 Report

Quoted By: >>52865746 >>52866259

>>52865575
Quick Ban:
Chi-Yu
Ghold
Ape
Meta is now ok-ish with probably tera changes
Top 10 ish mons are obviously uber tier/are absurdly broken with tera
>>52865638
Blissey in RU
Wow this is unfixable. They need to do some quick bans lol

I moved over to vgc for the past month because singles is so powercrept atm its just cancer strong mons clicking tera and oneshotting things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:32:49 No.52865740 Report

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>>52865507
Quaquaval pretty much works the same in doubles as it does in singles, it's a very straightforward offensive mon, but Aqua Step Moxie snowball sweeps are much trickier to pull off in doubles. You'll want to give it plenty of support, screens Grimmsnarl is always a safe choice.
There's also meme sets with Oricorio but I don't recommend those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:33:07 No.52865746 Report

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>>52865719
>Quick ban Chi Yu
I agree with this. With or without Tera it's broken as shit
>Reddit Gold
Nah, it's fine. It's really good but I don't think it's oppressive
>Ape
On the fence about this. If Tera stays, it should get suspected. If not, it may be fine, but still really strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 01:49:48 No.52865907 Report

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>>52865547
>>Espathara ban
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-uu-stage-1-re-entry-beta-starts-now-bye-espathra.3713709/#post-9453279
Well that didn't take long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:18:48 No.52866211 Report

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>Quaquaval is the most used starter in singles
How the tables turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:22:42 No.52866259 Report

Quoted By: >>52866299 >>52866407 >>52866437

>>52865719
>blissey in ru is bad
Why? Why should we limit Blissey to OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:25:30 No.52866299 Report

Quoted By: >>52866315

>>52866259
Waterfall type scenario.
Due to them not banning the obvious broken mons it's cause the rest of the tiers to kill themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:26:18 No.52866315 Report

Quoted By: >>52866370 >>52866419

>>52866299
how so? Isnt it better for the highest tier shit to be in OU, so that other tiers arent limited to last gen trite

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:27:11 No.52866328 Report

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>>52863730
>generic metafaggot copy-paste team
Kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:30:54 No.52866370 Report

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>>52866315
Because most teams in the tier have to account for Gholdengo and Chi-Yu, meaning everyone's trying to check or counter just those two pokemon. Great Tusk isn't #1 in usage because it's the best, it's #1 in usage because it cucks Gholdengo and Chi-Yu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:34:39 No.52866407 Report

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>>52866259
It's not a bad thing, it's just a sign of how much powercreep there is when a mon that been OU for so long and still puts up respectable usage numbers in Ubers has dropped that low. No one could have expected Bliss to enter to join Quagsire as the "low usage but stall staple in higher tiers" mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:35:50 No.52866419 Report

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>>52866315
If you don't push the stuff in OU to Ubers when it's broken it hyperscales the power of the tiers under it infinitely more when things move down because of the lack of bans.

Also due to how lower the power is on those tiers a single OP mon moving down can cause an immediate ban wave to happen, which is just starting cause of espartha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:37:28 No.52866437 Report

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>>52866259
It will get limited if it breaks the meta of the lower tiers regardless so it doesn't matter except for the people that demand a quicker ban on it in the tiers they play exclusively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:39:55 No.52866456 Report

Quoted By: >>52866634 >>52866784

Doing a bulkier offense for vgc doubles, just did my first 30ish rounds of ranked in any pokemon game
>Murkrow, stock standard build
>Garchomp, hydreigon and gholdengo, all the normal meta builds except gholdengo has thunderbolt
>General plan is murkrow and Hydreigon or gholdengo, draco meteor/MiR and haze to get back to full each turn
>Garchomp as backup beater, been an awesome closer
>Backup support focus sash Gengar with W-o-W for dondozo and palafin, icy wind sludge bomb and hex
>My 6th is Ceruledge but I have never used it and been happy despite the guy who got me into this swearing up and down hes incredible
Is there a decent option for trick room matchups, either something to get rid of it or to steal trick rooms thunder?
Also how do you use protect right? I feel like the only time I use it right is to eat a turn or two of weather/trick room/screens

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:41:53 No.52866471 Report

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Honestly Tusk is #1 with 37% but that still feels too low. Why would you even bother making a team without Tusk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 02:58:03 No.52866634 Report

Quoted By: >>52867094

>>52866456
>decent options for trick room?
You try to fit one solution based around the expected trick room abusers and hope it works or build a team that can stop/outlive the setup.

>How to use protect?
Eating time off weather/trick/screens is good but it's also something you learn to use to gain leverage against the enemy team. Watch old worlds matches and see how they use protect. That's the best advice I can give you since it's a personal choice to run it and use it defensively since most people don't bother with Choice items too often in Doubles outside of boosting Rock Slides etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 03:12:13 No.52866784 Report

Quoted By: >>52867094

>>52866456
Meowscarada and Oranguru seem like reasonably popular anti-trick room pokemon. Meowscarada more incidentally, because it's a good pokemon otherwise and just so happens to learn trick room, but the fact that it commonly runs focus sash to enable overgrow makes it easier to reverse it. Oranguru has versatility against trick room. It can reverse it traditionally, instruct your opponent's trick room setter to reverse it as soon as they set it, or use imprison to prevent it from going up at all, and if you end up forced to live with trick room for some reason, it can use its low speed to function and enable your other pokemon (except Gholdengo)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 03:30:17 No.52866953 Report

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It is my delight to report that in RU alpha, Lilligant is actually good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 03:31:37 No.52866972 Report

Quoted By: >>52867007

>>52864778
I just want PU back so I can play Charizard in peace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 03:35:45 No.52867007 Report

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>>52866972
See you in march/april

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 03:46:12 No.52867094 Report

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>>52866784
Oranguru sounds like what I need
My goal is to have a team where I counterpick a support and beat down with hyd/chomp/ghold
>>52866634
Someone got me into this and the team he helped me build had protect on 4 of the 6 pokemon so I figured I need to learn to use it right. Feels big brained when i guess whose going to get focused down in a turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:01:08 No.52867212 Report

Quoted By: >>52867227

>>52863490
This is the first game where I sat down and made a competitive team for online, and by which I mean, copy someone else's game plan and fucking suck at it. I don't know which version to stick with

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:03:14 No.52867227 Report

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>>52867212
and I forget the picture. I'm not good at actually making something myself, which is why I just netdeck in card games, but I just feel like I keep losing by making too many mistakes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:06:44 No.52867267 Report

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>>52863490
ranked singles player. Fuck those stupid encore/firespin dragonites.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:17:02 No.52867366 Report

Quoted By: >>52867447 >>52867614

I just simply can't wait until my boi decidueye is available bros. I've been testing these tailwind and trickroom teams with Pokemon that learn bite or astonish with reasonable successe. Now I understand why they gave it 60 speed because with a move like triple arrows and all of it's effects I can easily see it wrecking the meta currently. Ima be using my intimidate tailwind sticky webs maskerain to set it up and let it go ham

What hisuian mon are you waiting for anons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:24:34 No.52867447 Report

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>>52867366
Personally, I'm excited for H-Samurott and Ursaluna. The former because one of my fave Pokemon will finally be good, and the latter becuase Tera Normal Facade off that attack stat does hilarious shit like this

+2 252+ Atk Guts Tera Normal Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 368-434 (92.2 - 108.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:27:27 No.52867475 Report

Quoted By: >>52867544 >>52867552

>STABMons
>a pokemon gets every move of its typing and its Pre-Evo/alternate form typing
>Let me check out Rotom Wash he could do good with scald

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:34:26 No.52867544 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867475
If I switched something into Rotom-Wash and it clicked Sheer Cold I'd quit Pokemon forever ngl

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:35:13 No.52867552 Report

Quoted By: >>52867710

>>52867475
Why Scald over Steam Eruption?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:41:41 No.52867614 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867366
Most of them sound fun. Ursaluna is going to be everyone's choice because it's a total monster, but I really like Arcanine now that it has Rock Head. Sneasler will also be fun. Any time I get it in randbats I'm never given an opportunity to use CC for the Unburden boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:45:38 No.52867655 Report

Quoted By:

I decided to use this game to get back into competitive. Made a shitty team with almost no synergy made up of the top 6 most used sets according to pikalytics. I've had the most success leading with Amoon and Garch, spore+protect->rage powder+swords dance and then have garch + golden just murder everything. Sadly tho out of 30 matches, I only got 13 wins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:45:39 No.52867656 Report

Quoted By:

>>52863730
Could Hariyama use drain punch instead, or does it require close combat to kill things?

I want it to work out cause sumos are awesome but am unsure what works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:51:25 No.52867695 Report

Quoted By: >>52867708 >>52867775 >>52867813 >>52867970

Blissey is literally invincible in RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:53:50 No.52867708 Report

Quoted By: >>52867775

>>52867695
It's guaranteed UU at minimum. There was some calls for Chansey to be banned from UU in the past so with all this powercreep that might be its new home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 04:53:57 No.52867710 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867552
what the fuck is
jesus christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:04:27 No.52867775 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867708
NTA but losing Teleport and Toxic (and the recovery nerf) are all devastating blows to its longterm viability, and if it's suffering this much now, I can't imagine how bad things will get once all the legendaries and Hisuian mons come in

Maybe once things settle down it'll bump to UU, but I don't think it'll get much higher than that, and certainly not to the level of SM UU Blissey
>>52867695
May I present to you the single best BlissBro Breaker in the entire tier

Bruxish @ Life Orb
Ability: Strong Jaw
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Wave Crash
- Psychic Fangs
- Crunch / Aqua Jet

This thing mulches everything in the tier right now so hard it isn't funny. Blissbro, Daschbun, Zong, Copperajah, Palossand, even Abomasnow all get absolutely annihilated by this thing, especially at +2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:06:08 No.52867789 Report

Quoted By: >>52867805 >>52867832

>>52865575
I know usage isn't viability, but all this whining about Espathra and it's less than Quaquaval, Ceruledge, and Iron Hands, not even making OU? lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:07:57 No.52867803 Report

Quoted By:

>>52865600
Cinderace fits perfectly in OU, he won't be banned to Ubers this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:08:03 No.52867805 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867789
Espathara is a victim of the "Good Pokemon that don't get used" thing for sure, but it's also a much less splashable mon than those four. It's better than all of them, but the problem is that you're only fitting it on very specific cheese archetypes

It is shocking it didn't hit OU though, since I would've figured that suspect laddering would be when everyone would use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:09:30 No.52867813 Report

Quoted By: >>52867820 >>52867830

>>52867695
Blissey will probably go back to ou as soon as the fish is banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:10:29 No.52867820 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867813
Doubtful. There aren't that many good special attackers currently.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:11:51 No.52867830 Report

Quoted By: >>52867857

>Day 1, hour 3 of RU Alpha
>Someone brings pic related to a roomtour

I know people on here like to exaggerate about "MUH STALL META" but come on, this is fucking ridiculous

Granted, they did get absolutely smacked by NP Rotom-Mow
>>52867813
Not as long as Reddit Gold and Great Tusk are running around they ain't

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:11:54 No.52867831 Report

Quoted By:

>>52865498
> Combined usage for UU (1630 stats)
> | 13 | Donphan | 12.428% |
hm, epic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:12:09 No.52867832 Report

Quoted By: >>52867859

>>52867789
>got one of the fastest bans from UU
>cheeses OU behind screens/shed tail
Plenty of low usage mons have been banned from OU before, doesn't make the complaints about it less valid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:15:03 No.52867857 Report

Quoted By: >>52867887 >>52867926 >>52867929

>>52867830
Speaking of reddit gold,how you guys think he will do once landorus and heatran comeback?
And tusk with landorus also

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:15:17 No.52867859 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867832
I don't remember the last sub-5% ban

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:15:26 No.52867860 Report

Quoted By: >>52867867

>>52865575
Kek, even with one day of usage and some people not evening knowing he was legal, the rabbit still managed to get 3% of usage within a day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:16:23 No.52867867 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867860
89.8% usage if you extrapolate!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:18:45 No.52867887 Report

Quoted By: >>52867916

>>52867857
>4 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 199-235 (52 - 61.5%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I can see offensive Lando rising up in usage with Tera-Flying, but even then Gholdengo can just wear a Scarf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:23:26 No.52867916 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867887
I use scarfed landorus in nat dex and hes a big threat,since he lost most of his utility options thats the best way to use him since you can get easy momentum by u turning on weaker mons...so you see a lot of tera ice regieleki to cointer him in the format

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:25:59 No.52867926 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867857
Considering Lando won't want to switch into Shadow Ball/MIR and that Lando needs to be 252 Jolly to outspeed it, I don't think Reddit Gold will be affected by it too much. If anything, it'll appreciate Lando overtaking Tusk in usage since it won't have to fear random Knock Off

Now Heatran? Heatran is the bigger issue for it because it can shrug off Shadow Ball/MIR, is only really threatened by Focus Blast or T-wave Hex, and can immediately OHKO back no matter what. Tran will definitely make its moves a bit less spammable

That being said I don't see it being too damaging for it. It's got way too many good traits to ever be below the A ranks at the absolute worst

Now Tusk? I think the moment all the legendaries come back, Tusk is in MAJOR trouble. Ignoring the fact that Lando is faster, can pivot, and has a far better defensive typing, it's far more worried about the fact that it's slower than Timid Tran if it isn't Jolly and the fact that every Tapu basically shits on it

If anything, I see Treads taking Tusk's place once everything comes back

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:26:32 No.52867929 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867857
>252+ SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-Therian: 183-216 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I don't see lando changing much for goldnigger.
>252+ SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Heatran: 103-123 (26.6 - 31.8%) -- 33% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252 SpA Gholdengo Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Heatran: 188-222 (48.7 - 57.5%) -- 49.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>0 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 290-344 (76.7 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after trapping damage
Meanwhile Heatran will put a dent into its usage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:33:13 No.52867970 Report

Quoted By: >>52868015 >>52868079

>>52867695
>Blissey is literally invincible in RU
>RU
What in God's name did I miss

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:38:53 No.52868015 Report

Quoted By: >>52868036 >>52868086 >>52868136 >>52869818

>>52867970
>Smogon doesn't ban the obviously broken mons and instead suspects tera for like a month, halting bans.
>Said mons destroy the tier and push out other mons
>Those mons immeadiatly cause so much issue in lower tiers that they are starting to get quick banned 30 minutes after the decision.

That's about what's happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:42:35 No.52868036 Report

Quoted By: >>52868077 >>52868086 >>52868149

>>52868015
>>Those mons immeadiatly cause so much issue in lower tiers that they are starting to get quick banned 30 minutes after the decision.
That isn't even an exaggeration. Exactly 38 minutes after UU left Alpha, Espathara was banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:49:28 No.52868077 Report

Quoted By: >>52868119

>>52868036
Is this the worst smogon has ever done when it comes to banning mons?
Like a child could tell that Chi yu needs to be banned, same with a couple of other mons.

It's not only destroyed OU but a bunch of other tiers now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:49:46 No.52868079 Report

Quoted By:

>>52867970
Blissey got its recovery cut in half, lost Toxic, AND Heal Bell/Aromatherapy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:50:42 No.52868086 Report

Quoted By: >>52868090 >>52868119

>>52868015
>>52868036
What the hell is this generation right now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:52:03 No.52868090 Report

Quoted By: >>52868119 >>52868229 >>52868291

>>52868086
It's like 5 mons and tera being busted. Once tera gets banned and those mons start to get banned maybe singles will be playable then.

As of now even VGC is better balanced lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 05:57:24 No.52868119 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868077
>Is this the worst smogon has ever done when it comes to banning mons?
In terms of being speedy? Well Flutter Mane was banned in about a week

In terms of taking too long? Fuck no. Ace, Magearna, and Urshifu were around for WAY too fucking long last gen

>>52868086
See >>52868090 but also this generation introducing a LOT more offensive powerhouses this generation than the last one.
Also doesn't help that a lot of the defensive/bulky pivots of last gen are just MIA. Remember, this generation debuted without
>Ferrothorn
>Clefable
>Kommo-o
>Mandibuzz
>Jirachi
>Togekiss
>Basically all the good bulky Water types except a HEAVILY nerfed Pex
>Aegislash

While not all of these would've been good per se, even justa couple of these would've helped provide some sort of buffer into the insane offensive mons running around. Mandibuzz in particular would probably see a ton of use

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:00:28 No.52868136 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868015
They really should've realized that Terastalizing basically lets you create your own counters at will. Banning it might not even bother Chi-Yu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:02:06 No.52868145 Report

Quoted By: >>52868165

>>52865349
How does Staraptor still do it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:02:37 No.52868149 Report

Quoted By: >>52868156

>>52868036
How the fuck did Espathra fail to rise to OU. People already realized it was good shortly before the last tier shift that it was good, there was discussion that it was one of the several mons that needed to be banned, it's one of the most singled out abusers of tera that lead to the test, why the fuck is it not being used more often?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:04:32 No.52868156 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868149
I explained in another post, but it's a lot less splashable than mons that could be considered worse. Espathara only really shines on Screens/Shed Tail teams, and while those are good, not everyone is running those

Compare this to Quaquaval and Ceruledge who got a bit more usage and can fit on the more balanced/BO/general Offense teams that you see a lot on ladder

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:05:40 No.52868165 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868145
Normal/Flying/Fighting is always gonna be good coverage, Reckless and Intimidate are always gonna be good abilities, and it's got just enough speed to break slow teams with Band and fast teams with Scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:17:34 No.52868229 Report

Quoted By: >>52868259 >>52868291

>>52868090
Tera isn't getting banned. The suspect was a huge waste of time when Smogon should have spent the time suspecting the actual broken mons and worrying about Tera later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:22:47 No.52868259 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868229
It will be restricted the “suspect” is structured to force that outcome

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:31:04 No.52868291 Report

Quoted By: >>52868314

>>52868090
What >>52868229 said. Tera's going to take another suspect test to get banned just to appease the casuals, meanwhile shit like Chi Yu, Cyclizar, Annihilape, Iron Valiant, etc that's broken regardless of the gen's gimmick are plaguing the ladder and tournaments and should have been the priority to deal with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:35:46 No.52868314 Report

Quoted By: >>52868321 >>52868343

>>52868291
Hopefully the problem mons/moves getting banned. Singles being unplayable HO garbage is the worst format I've ever played.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:37:29 No.52868321 Report

Quoted By: >>52868329

>>52868314
SV OU is transitioning into a BO/Offense meta rather than HO, and by that metric it's already far more playable than XY was for months.

How soon we forget the days of Mega Gengar/Kanga/Lucario/Aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:38:40 No.52868329 Report

Quoted By: >>52868360

>>52868321
If I recall both kanga and aegis were banned far faster then what needs to be banned now. Or am I going senile?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:40:16 No.52868343 Report

Quoted By: >>52868360

>>52868314
Gen 5 was worse, Genesect week has always been stupider than anything else, and let's not forget Zygarde-Complete was OU last gen. Gen 9 only sucks because everyone that plays can see the obvious bans coming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:41:27 No.52868349 Report

Quoted By:

>>52865532
It took a while for the croc to catch on cause Torch Song fooled people into thinking it was a sweeper/wallbreaker. It's actually a crazy tank that isn't passive in the least that hard counters a bunch of broken HO shit and is only going to get more and more usage as people refine their defensive cores. It also helps that this thing shits on the dumb rabbit for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:43:54 No.52868360 Report

Quoted By: >>52868395

>>52868329
Kanga took about a month I think, but Mega Lucario took until Feb of 2014 to get banned, and Aegislash stuck around until AUGUST
>>52868343
>Genesect week has always been stupider than anything else

When it comes back this generation, I am praying to whatever deity exists that the people running the tier realize that it's always going to be a broken piece of shit and don't bother bringing it down. Every time it hits OU the tier becomes unplayable for a week just to confirm that the Pokemon with absurd stats/ability/typing with infinite coverage is in fact, broken

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:46:18 No.52868373 Report

Quoted By: >>52868620 >>52868651

RU is just this piece of shit
why are you so bulky
stop being fucking bulky

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:49:30 No.52868395 Report

Quoted By: >>52868417 >>52868431

>>52868360
I believe there will be a day where the powercreep is so strong that Genesect will become an OU Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:52:17 No.52868417 Report

Quoted By: >>52868423

>>52868395
I'm waiting for OUBL, would solve a bunch of issues at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:53:46 No.52868423 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868417
That's been Ubers since AG was introduced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:56:19 No.52868431 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868395
It ain't gonna be this gen, that's for sure
>If Tera stays, it can Tera into dumb shit like Fairy/Water/whatever coverage option it wants to get super STAB
>Insane hazards meta means that it can force progress retardedly easily
>Scarf outspeeds everything but fucking Proto/Quark mons and maybe one of those can actually OHKO, the others are scared as shit to take a U-turn/Iron Head/Coverage
>Snipes Dodonzo with fucking Thunderbolt

It and Lando-I are going to be extra broken this gen and it's my hope that they either don't come down at all, or this is the point where the Council goes "Okay, fuck these mons forever"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 06:59:41 No.52868452 Report

Quoted By:

>QUAQUAVAL THE MOST USED GEN 9 STARTER IN OU

they doubted my boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:24:09 No.52868576 Report

Quoted By: >>52868688

Anyone have a fun set for dudunsparce? I'm looking to put together something a bit fun and light for bss on cart.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:27:38 No.52868593 Report

Quoted By: >>52868664

>>52865498
> Gallade being the 2nd most used fighting type in UU
> Gardevoir and Medicham fell to RU
> Heracross of all things fell to RU

It's nice to be a Galladebro lads. We're eating good. The balance has been restored and he's the best Ralts-line mon once again.
All hail Sharpness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:36:32 No.52868620 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868373
god I love this bulky piece of shit
sometimes I bring it to OU to have fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:36:58 No.52868622 Report

Quoted By: >>52868628 >>52868638

>all this talk of pro ban
did the omgon and just adapt guys get banned or what

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:38:05 No.52868628 Report

Quoted By: >>52868670

>>52868622
The whiners are always more vocal. Anyone who doesn't have a problem with tera, like me, doesn't feel the need to say so every 5 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:40:17 No.52868638 Report

Quoted By: >>52868992

>>52868622
Anyone who says just adapt bro is usually bad. Any thing that is trying to be at least somewhat competive bans things.

Or else you get absolute shit metas like this one right now in OU where 5ish mons and tera are completely destroying the tier.

Can't wait till the mons get banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:44:27 No.52868651 Report

Quoted By: >>52871847

>>52868373
Bellibolt, Slowbro, and Blissey are absurdly unkillable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:46:06 No.52868664 Report

Quoted By: >>52868695

>>52868593
Sharpness making Night Slash and Psycho Cut go from 70 to 105BP is a masterful buff for Gallade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:47:07 No.52868670 Report

Quoted By: >>52868684

>>52868628
What do you think about the fish, rape ape, and golden boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:51:19 No.52868684 Report

Quoted By: >>52868687 >>52868699 >>52868874

>>52868670
The fish gets one-shot by anything with higher than 100 speed. Hell, some people don't even run speed EVs on it sometimes, so I'm able to outspeed it with a speed-invested 92 speed pokemon.

Rape ape is hard to deal with, a bit too bulky for its own good, but not unkillable.

Golden boy should have been banned a while ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:52:21 No.52868687 Report

Quoted By: >>52868720

>>52868684
>Just outspeed it

Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:52:32 No.52868688 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868576
>Coil
>Roost
>Body slam
>Dragon rush
>Tera ghost

The flinch hax asshole set. 76 speed EV so you can outspeed paralyzed Garchomp, rest in HP/attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:53:01 No.52868695 Report

Quoted By: >>52868736

>>52868664
Also turns Sacred Sword into a 202.5 BP nuke and Leaf Blade into an insane 135 "coverage" move.
Agility giving him another successful role to cover (late game sweeper unbothered by usual speed control means) is also another great buff.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:53:53 No.52868697 Report

Quoted By: >>52868881

>tfw you give some shitmon a chance and it fits the gaps in your team perfectly
I never get tired of this feeling. I love VGC so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:54:34 No.52868699 Report

Quoted By: >>52868720

>>52868684
Just because something is able to be knocked out doesn't mean it's balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 07:59:05 No.52868720 Report

Quoted By: >>52868733

>>52868687
>>52868699
All I'm seeing is a skill issue here. Does it hit hard? Yes. But so does Rampardos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:02:31 No.52868733 Report

Quoted By: >>52868746

>>52868720
>Groudon has less attack then Rampardos so it's balanced and fair in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:04:19 No.52868736 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868695
Ah yes, how could I forget that Sacred Sword becomes a stronger Close Combat that ignores the opponents' Defense buffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:07:02 No.52868746 Report

Quoted By: >>52868757 >>52868772

>>52868733
Groudon has far more bulk than Chi Yu, retard. Chi Yu is a glass cannon. Glass cannons can be dealt with.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:09:00 No.52868757 Report

Quoted By: >>52868777 >>52868888 >>52868914

>>52868746
>Glass cannons can be dealt with.
ENTER

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:12:37 No.52868772 Report

Quoted By: >>52868777 >>52868888

>>52868746
>Glass cannons can't be a problem

Your being shit at games is showing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:13:54 No.52868777 Report

Quoted By: >>52868793 >>52868797 >>52868808 >>52868897 >>52869712

>>52868757
>>52868772

>What is "anything with focus sash"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:16:37 No.52868793 Report

Quoted By: >>52868810

>>52868777
>Switch into fish with mon with obvious priority or outspeed
>Tank the hit with sash
>Fish switches out because they aren't retarded

Wow good scenario there

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:17:28 No.52868797 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868777

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:19:41 No.52868808 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868777
Hazards exist exactly for this reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:19:50 No.52868810 Report

Quoted By: >>52868814 >>52868827

>>52868793
M8, I've killed Chi-Yu with a Lokix on more than one occasion. The smart ones try to switch to Dragapult but are met with sucker punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:20:43 No.52868814 Report

Quoted By: >>52868828

>>52868810
Wtf are you on lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:22:51 No.52868827 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868810
>My idiot opponent stayed in on a mon that could 1 shot him and is known for its obvious priority.

Wow you must play at a very high level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:23:07 No.52868828 Report

Quoted By: >>52868841

>>52868814
The people who whine about the fish are the people who play the conventional game. Stuffy tier queers who only play things that are weak to Chi-Yu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:25:52 No.52868841 Report

Quoted By: >>52868856

>>52868828
This entire argument is about smogon. The fish is currently banned in vgc regardless.

Or do you have some secret tech that's boosted you to 2000 elo that makes you immune to how broken the fish is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:29:48 No.52868855 Report

Quoted By: >>52868900 >>52869366

>>52865532
Dondozo and Clodsire are the better unaware mons
Meanwhile the cat is about to be outclassed hard by the rabbit
Duckchads we won!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:29:48 No.52868856 Report

Quoted By: >>52868874 >>52868879

>>52868841
he just outspeeds it, something nobody has ever thought of before. i eagerly await "rage fist isnt a broken move, just use a mon with a focus sash and counter"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:33:22 No.52868874 Report

Quoted By: >>52868888 >>52868906

>>52868856
See >>52868684
I don't disagree that Annihilape is a problem, because it actually can survive a stiff breeze.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:33:50 No.52868879 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868856
Probably. Retards who don't actually play the game tend to rely on shit like prio and sash to defend obviously busted mons.

I've seen people say that rage fist isn't broken if you don't hit the ape as it bulk up taunts in your face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:34:10 No.52868881 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868697
Anything that hard counters the sushinigger is not a shitmon my dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:35:55 No.52868888 Report

Quoted By: >>52868897

>>52868874
See
>>52868757
>>52868772
Something being squishy doesn't automatically exclude it from being broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:38:03 No.52868896 Report

Quoted By: >>52871390

How’s everyone’s experience with teambuilding this gen, specifically for VGC? The Tera types make it such a pain in the ass to account for various threats to be honest. It doesn’t help that the ladder is not open sheets while the real tournaments are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:38:11 No.52868897 Report

Quoted By: >>52868904 >>52868921

>>52868888
See: >>52868777

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:38:21 No.52868900 Report

Quoted By: >>52869005 >>52869366

>>52868855
>Meanwhile the cat is about to be outclassed hard by the rabbit
Wait, really? I thought they'd be on the same level of strength.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:38:51 No.52868904 Report

Quoted By: >>52868913

>>52868897
>what are hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:39:21 No.52868906 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868874
"just outspeed it" is a silly answer because it ignores the fact that A) you have to actually get the mon in safely and B) nothing is forcing chi-yu to stay in once you manage to get your fast guy in. yes, in a vacuum chi-yu is defeated by faster mons, but its rarely that simple in an actual game. in reality youd have to likely sack a mon to get a safe switch, and then any half decent opponent will just switch anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:40:30 No.52868913 Report

Quoted By: >>52868926

>>52868904
You don't have a way to get rid of hazards?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:40:36 No.52868914 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868757
why did they give a bug fuck me eyes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:42:44 No.52868921 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868897
Focus sash literally doesn't work because of hazards retard, which will be up in 99% of scenarios where a hyper offensive threat like Chi-Yu is played.

Or are you gonna say hazards aren't common in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:44:16 No.52868926 Report

Quoted By: >>52868928 >>52868953

>>52868913
There is literally like 1 reliable way to get rid of hazards with Gold man in meta. Not only that the mon with the move was just dropped to UU because it dies to Gold man regardless lol.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:44:57 No.52868928 Report

Quoted By: >>52868935

>>52868926
Great Tusk is UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:46:44 No.52868935 Report

Quoted By: >>52868946 >>52871847

>>52868928
Great tusk doesn't get rid of hazards, it simply forces the Gholdengo to either tera or switch into something else that blocks spin which almost all teams have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:48:30 No.52868946 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868935
running two ghost types is kinda retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:49:22 No.52868953 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868926
Mold Breaker Lucha? Or am I missing another mon? I feel like I am.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:50:07 No.52868959 Report

Quoted By: >>52868981

I like the current argument on why the fish is balanced is:
>Just outspeed it/use priority while wearing a focus sash while no hazards are up and it stays in on a mon that can obviously kill it

Very balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:54:58 No.52868981 Report

Quoted By: >>52868990 >>52868992

>>52868959
>adapt for something that is easily adaptable for
or
>don't try to adapt and just cry for it to get banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:58:02 No.52868990 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868981
How about you adapt a win loss ratio of above 1:5

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 08:58:36 No.52868992 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868981
Are you implying that in current OU it's realistic to run focus sash in a hazard stacking HO meta?
Also see
>>52868638
If you can't list reliable answers factoring in normal scenarios you are probably shit at the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:00:06 No.52868998 Report

Quoted By: >>52869009

Shitpatra is... not very good. There are a million good dark types in OU, that's why it didn't rise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:01:45 No.52869005 Report

Quoted By: >>52869044 >>52869196

>>52868900
Rabbit has stronger attacks (Pyro Ball, HJK) and an actual setup move

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:02:11 No.52869009 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868998
Run it with a sash and set up terrain to stop Sneeder Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:05:07 No.52869021 Report

Quoted By: >>52869030 >>52869037 >>52870130 >>52871789

Top 5 OU mons:
Great Tusk
Gholdengo
Chi You
Dragonite
Valiant

Roaring Moon is at 14, not even top 10. Really shows the incompetence of Natdex on how they banned it in the first 3 days. They banned shit ass Zamazenta-C too when the other version which was considered better for the majority of time is rotting at sub100 usage.

Top 5 UU mons
Tinkaton
Hydreigon
Azumarill
Armarouge
Sandy Shocks

Espatra not even top 5 here kek. Tinkaton no 1 is surprising, guess she works in UU.

The starters are in the bottom 8 OU mons, they might all drop now that the fotm is wearing off. They are definitely dropping once Home hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:07:31 No.52869030 Report

Quoted By: >>52869052

>>52869021
>Espatra not even top 5 here
Yeah, because it got banned 30 minutes after it dropped to UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:09:11 No.52869037 Report

Quoted By: >>52869052 >>52870745 >>52870797

>>52869021
Being surprised that the ostrich isn't on the lost when it was banned the instant it dropped.

Surprised UU has its shit together more then OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:10:28 No.52869044 Report

Quoted By: >>52869369 >>52871325

>>52869005
That setup move turns it into a normal type.
Cinderace is not OU material unless he starts getting used for Court change. GF obliterated Protean, in VGC where Meow is good she is used with Overgrowth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:15:21 No.52869052 Report

Quoted By: >>52869069

>>52869030
>>52869037
Isn't this december ranking? Espatra didn't make it in OU last time either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:21:15 No.52869069 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869052
UU was in beta in December so they couldn't do anything about the bird, now that it's "official" they were able to ban it and immediately did so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:26:40 No.52869084 Report

Quoted By: >>52869128

We need one of these OU pics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:28:27 No.52869087 Report

Quoted By:

>OU is HO
>UU is HO/BO
>RU is stall
Niggas we're eating good tonight, with baxcalibur and shit in UU, and Blissey not even working well in its home turf

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:40:22 No.52869128 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869084
Here you go

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:42:24 No.52869138 Report

Quoted By:

Tera Water Kyogre is on another level

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:44:38 No.52869147 Report

Quoted By:

This is the current team I've been working on. I've been having decent success with it, but I've noticed that Iron Valiant seems to be under performing in this team. I don't know if this is because I'm not using it right, but in the last 6 battles either it doesn't KO what I need it to before it goes down, or if I have to switch it out ever it gets a lot worse due to all the other faster Pokemon. Any suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:58:18 No.52869195 Report

Quoted By: >>52869200 >>52869222 >>52869237

How can there be powercreep in this game when all pokemon essentially have the same BST?
What I mean is, most "decent" pokemon (without a gimmick) work within the 450-550 range of BST, with the psuedos being at 600. And this has been the case since gen 1. It's not like they're creating more pokemon with 570bst or higher. So how is powercreep happening?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 09:58:38 No.52869196 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869005
I have to agree here, Ace just feels better than the cat atm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:01:40 No.52869200 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869195
the points are being distributed to better stats
better items are getting released (Lustrous Globe multiplies dragon and water moves by 1.3)
Better Abilities
Better Movepools
there is still so much more minmaxing you can do without increasing a pokemons base stat total

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:06:00 No.52869217 Report

Quoted By: >>52871458

>>52863490
>Using Meowscarada and Hydreigon lead vs obvious hard Trick Room team
>Opposing Armarouge used Protect!
>Hydreigon used Tailwind!
>Opposing Indeedee used Trick Room!
>Meowscarada used Trick Room
>Be in an extremely good position from T1
Doing shit like this makes me feel like a genius, despite it not being that impressive of a play.
Just knowing that their entire strategy just turned into a trainwreck is hilarious to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:07:00 No.52869222 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869195
For one, more minmaxed stat distribution. A mon with 80 across the board isn't going to be as threatening as an 80/120/60/40/60/120 mon even though they have the same BST. New mons have also pretty much always been getting an exclusive or nigh-exclusive move or ability since Gen 6, many of which are good. Stuff like Purifying Salt or Good as Gold or Flower Trick or Commander are absolutely nutso, and there's more mons possessing crazy bullshit on that level than in previous gens.
Also in SV they did introduce like a dozen mons with 570 BST or more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:11:57 No.52869237 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869195
For one example, let's take the latest gimmick, Terastalization. A pokemon can change into any one type, and gain an additional STAB bonus from that type. But if a pokemon were to terastalize into a type it already has, its STAB boost is upped to 2x, instead of the usual 1.5x. It doesn't sound like much, but it's allowed things like Golduck to be viable a couple of tiers higher than it would normally be, because tera water in the rain (another 1.5x boost) can push out a ridiculous amount of damage, all without changing BSTs.

Another example is Chi-Yu. Its ability lowers other pokemon's special defense, while it itself has an optimized 135 special attack. (it has a BST of 570) In the sun (1.5x damage for fire type attacks) a Chi-Yu that has terastalized into fire type can actually overpower a Blissey.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:18:22 No.52869254 Report

Quoted By:

hah

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:22:59 No.52869271 Report

Quoted By: >>52869283 >>52869317 >>52869503

Thoughts on Fissure to deal with Don Dozer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:26:00 No.52869283 Report

Quoted By: >>52869317

>>52869271
OHKO moves sadly arent allowed
They should be though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:27:19 No.52869288 Report

Quoted By: >>52869294 >>52869326

>Tyrannitar UU
>Pelipper UU
>SlowKing/Obamasnow RU
Sun truly is the only viable weather this gen after 8 gens of being the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:29:38 No.52869294 Report

Quoted By: >>52869326

>>52869288
It has been really weird having trouble dealing with fucking Torkoal of all pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:36:26 No.52869317 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869283
>>52869271
in vgc it seems to be one if the few ways to break a dondozo stalemate
unless theyre tera flying then youre fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:37:55 No.52869326 Report

Quoted By: >>52869331 >>52869359 >>52869487 >>52869583

>>52869288
>>52869294
Explain why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:39:14 No.52869331 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869326
half of the top pokemon gain an extra boost in the sun and they dont even need it to function correctly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:49:27 No.52869359 Report

Quoted By: >>52869417 >>52870780

>>52869326
>Protosynthesis boosts off of sun
>Ting-Lu loves the way it weakens Water-type moves
>Chi-goddamned-yu
And once home arrives, we'll be getting Chlorophyll Lilligant-H, and Rock Head RK9-H. Though I don't know how useful the former might be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:51:39 No.52869366 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868855
>Meanwhile the cat is about to be outclassed hard by the rabbit
>>52868900
Cat and Rabbit are gonna be coexisting, and actually might work well together.
As far as I've heard, people prefer the cat as a Choice Bander and the Rabbit as a HDB Pivot that can WoW, Court Change and such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 10:52:39 No.52869369 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869044
He's still hit's extremely hard with Pyro Ball+HJK he's 100% staying in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 11:07:30 No.52869417 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869359
Unlike Unovan Lilligant which has pretty poor coverage, Hisuian Lilligant's coverage is pretty good, it has Ice Spinner which gives it coverage for the dragons such as Dragonite, Garchomp and Dragapult that have historically stopped cold sun sweepers. It's also the fastest Chlorophyller in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 11:31:11 No.52869487 Report

Quoted By: >>52869501

>>52869326
>Explain why?
Paradox mons retardado and Chi Yu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 11:34:24 No.52869501 Report

Quoted By: >>52869564

>>52869487
And now you got infernape band pyroball too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 11:34:41 No.52869503 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869271
Imo its a meme since quite a lot of Dozos run Tera Flying or Substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 11:49:38 No.52869564 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869501
>infernape
You mean cinderace

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 11:55:31 No.52869583 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869326
Run the calc of slither wing tera bug,banded,sun booested first impressions

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 12:32:04 No.52869712 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868777
Something that will only bring Phero down to its own sash.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 12:53:14 No.52869799 Report

Quoted By: >>52869979 >>52869985

>>52865498
>>52865575
>| 27 | Quaquaval | 6.966% |
>| 28 | Meowscarada | 6.331% |
>| 32 | Skeledirge | 5.971% |
They called me retarded, but I knew the gay duck would be the best one in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 12:56:28 No.52869818 Report

Quoted By: >>52869873

>>52868015
It's crazy that Smogon banned 4 mons within the first week of the gen, and the biggest problem of this gen is that they don't ban enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 13:07:01 No.52869873 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869818
I think if you have to ban this many mons this fast you just need to accept the power level of OU has changed or make a tier for above OU and below Uber. It may be that the concept of safe switch in in general is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 13:28:37 No.52869979 Report

Quoted By: >>52870073 >>52872166

>>52869799
>Speedboosting and alright power signature move
>Moxie for any time it picks anything off
It was always gonna be good, dunno why some thought it wouldn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 13:29:28 No.52869985 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869799
These model downgrades they do look so fucking gross and they don't even have the decency to look gross in the same ay the 3DS models do due to keeping the overall more saturated colors of the Switch era models and not bothering with the two-tone shading the 3DS models have

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 13:47:49 No.52870073 Report

Quoted By: >>52870136

>>52869979
I think everyone agrees that all 3 starters are good. Debate was over which was the best.
I remember saying Quaquaval would be the best once Palafin was banned, and I was told that it was just a gimmicky sweeper and the worst of the 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 13:59:10 No.52870130 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869021
While I agree with the moon ban in nat dex being stupid, at least they were smart enough to get rid of the stupid fish

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 13:59:23 No.52870132 Report

Quoted By:

Mirror Herb Dondozo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:00:01 No.52870136 Report

Quoted By: >>52870397 >>52873240

>>52870073
Duck and Croc aren't good. Croc is one of those Pokemon that will be forced to be meta by repeatedly banning things that would push balance cores out, and Quag benefits from that as well because with lower offense it can stay in to do what it needs longer.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:15:23 No.52870207 Report

Quoted By: >>52870401 >>52872938

now this is horrific

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:15:41 No.52870209 Report

Quoted By: >>52870412 >>52870441

is sheer force viable on this thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:43:56 No.52870397 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870136
Nice meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:44:57 No.52870401 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870207
>Slaking
UU at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:45:57 No.52870412 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870209
If you Terastallize it, yes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:49:29 No.52870436 Report

Quoted By: >>52872205

Is the meme of Smogon banning too much finally dead? This gen has proved wholesale that Smogon actually doesn't ban enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:50:47 No.52870441 Report

Quoted By: >>52870475

>>52870209
Too slow. Even if you tera it and make it run avalanche, the damage won't be as big as you hoped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 14:54:15 No.52870475 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870441
Belly Drum is actually pretty decent on it in RU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:29:07 No.52870714 Report

Quoted By: >>52870743 >>52870968

did you get your vote in, /cpg/?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:34:15 No.52870740 Report

Quoted By:

Is this viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:34:37 No.52870743 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870714
I don't play Smogon I just don't want a Gen 8 situation where "competitive" is referring to 3 completely different games. But at the same time I kind of want a ban because it will kill the site more...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:35:20 No.52870745 Report

Quoted By: >>52870759

>>52869037
>Surprised UU has its shit together more then OU.
This is typically the case isn't it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:37:03 No.52870759 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870745
Gen8 OU was horrible,I pretty much dropped it for nat dex and UU and I regret nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:40:11 No.52870780 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869359
We're also getting Alolan Ninetales

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:40:51 No.52870785 Report

Quoted By: >>52870796 >>52870819 >>52871824

Thoughts? I put it together in less than 5 minutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:42:56 No.52870796 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870785
Get nutty with your tera types, double STAB is great but you should have some curveballs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:43:09 No.52870797 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869037
UU doesn't have to worry about the "optics" of being the main tier, plus it's its first day out of beta, OU was similarly quick to ban Paladin and Houndstone

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:46:01 No.52870814 Report

Quoted By:

>it's a "opponent doesn't respect talonflame so i can burn their entirely physical attacking team and win" episode
Talonflame is way more useful than Murkrow 99% of the time and I'll die on this hill

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:46:34 No.52870819 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870785
>Donphan
If 1st move is sr, pretty decent
>Staraptor
If you're running band I would recommend quick attack, your team doesn't have any priority. Maybe over double-edge or cc. Personally I like scarf more
>Scream Tail
Max spdef screens is weird, I also wouldn't run screens on a balance team (HO only). I would just make this generic support with wish and twave or something (helps with speed control too)
>Hydreigon
No speed? assvest is a shit, I'd change it to specs, scarf, or LO stallbreaker with taunt/roost/np/dark pulse
>Gastrodon
You could run spikes but it looks good
>Gengar
Decent

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 15:59:56 No.52870911 Report

Quoted By:

>>52865532
based homo duck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 16:07:56 No.52870968 Report

Quoted By: >>52871007

>>52870714
>no action > ban > preview
what did he mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 16:14:45 No.52871007 Report

Quoted By: >>52871082

>>52870968
I'm not him and I didn't vote, but I would do the same. I'd rather not do anything, but if I had to choose I prefer removing it completely rather than making any weird compromises. Revealing tera types is not too bad because it's reminiscent of the open team sheets in VGC but the other proposed compromises really suck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 16:26:23 No.52871082 Report

Quoted By: >>52871094

>>52871007
The team sheets thing is such a dumb cope, that exists only for the reality of in person events and has open movesets and items attached for the exact same reason, it's no less fanfic than sleep clause or one announced tera type per team decided before the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 16:28:32 No.52871094 Report

Quoted By: >>52871316

>>52871082
>>52871082
>that exists only for the reality of in person events
That means it's possible to create rules that exist "outside" of the game mechanics based on gentlemen agreements though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 16:58:27 No.52871316 Report

Quoted By:

>>52871094
You can create whatever gentlemen’s agreements you want but pretending one has “more basis” than another is stupid. This entire suspect test is a farce anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 16:59:47 No.52871325 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869044
>Cinderace is not OU material
Yes, yes he is....

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:00:00 No.52871326 Report

Quoted By: >>52871346

>it's a ranked choice poll but you can't express the common preference preview > no ban > everything else
epic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:02:41 No.52871346 Report

Quoted By:

>>52871326
We of the council have determined tera cannot function as on cart and are graciously allowing you to decide how it will be restricted from our curated list of options don’t be ungrateful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:09:01 No.52871390 Report

Quoted By:

>>52868896
>Play team on ladder
>team is basically countered by mine
>get in, they Tera to something wacky
>my only counter to the Tera was left on the bench
>lose game (barely)
I love Tera, but fuck it sucks sometimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:18:21 No.52871458 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869217
>the battle was canceled

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:42:02 No.52871685 Report

Quoted By:

If we can have crap like chi yu shitting up OU just go all in and drop mewtwo and naganadel down to OU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:51:16 No.52871763 Report

Quoted By:

>>52865498
the king is dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:54:32 No.52871789 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869021
The Nat Dex council are fucking retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 17:58:50 No.52871824 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870785
There's a few issues I have with this team
>Where are your hazards?
>Why is this a Screens team with one setup mon?
>Why AV Hydra with that spread
>Why that Gastro spread?
Answer those and then I can go from there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 18:01:15 No.52871847 Report

Quoted By: >>52873343

>>52868935
Most teams don't run double Ghost and Reddit Gold doesn't want to switch into Tusk at all
>>52868651
Just use Bruxish. + 2 Fangs/Crunch kills the entire tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 18:39:11 No.52872166 Report

Quoted By:

>>52869979
K.O.ing with Aqua Step and getting a Moxie boost is Dragon Dancing without Dragon Dancing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 18:43:09 No.52872205 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870436
>doesnt ban enough
Yeah, Chi-Yu is the extent of that. And only because its a living nuke

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 19:33:23 No.52872705 Report

Quoted By: >>52873073

Tera Captain is such a gay option for restricting it. One pre-selected mon is perfectly fine, but I don't think it should be forced to the first teamslot. Having any mon be the potential Tera still makes for some fun mind games, but at the same time you know only one mon is able to Tera, and not all of them. It would be kind of like sussing out the Z-move user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 19:59:39 No.52872938 Report

Quoted By: >>52872966

>>52870207
>chansey and blissey
>bellibolt
>weavile
>tauros-fire
what is this fucking tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:00:15 No.52872944 Report

Quoted By: >>52873137

Is rage fist impacted by pain split?

Maybe my shitmon was too tanky, but it looks like a NO. wondering if theres some definitive answer to this other than me testing it further

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:02:00 No.52872966 Report

Quoted By:

>>52872938
Fucking garbage is what it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:14:13 No.52873073 Report

Quoted By:

>>52872705
Tera Captain is stupid because it will power creep the tier worse. If Smogon votes for it they'll get what they deserve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:20:37 No.52873137 Report

Quoted By:

>>52872944
Counter and Bide don't trigger from Pain Split's damage, either, so maybe not?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:28:28 No.52873229 Report

Quoted By: >>52873293 >>52873306 >>52873310 >>52873371 >>52873837

Once they're officially available via HOME, where do you theorize they'll land?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:29:06 No.52873240 Report

Quoted By:

>>52870136
Croc is the best unaware pokemon. Clod is too passive and the fat fish is a meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:33:44 No.52873293 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873229
half of these are demons in randbats but i only think sneasler, femlando and maybe ursa and kleavor make the ou cut

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:35:14 No.52873306 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873229
Most of these will be OU, namely Hisuian Samurott and Kleavor for their easy hazards
the only ones i see being put into lower tiers are Wyrdeer and Shitmon Electrode
Also someone please Quickban Stantler before he gets a chance to be in LC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:35:41 No.52873310 Report

Quoted By: >>52873331 >>52873670 >>52874055

>>52873229
>>OU for sure
>Ursaluna
>H-Zoroark
>H-Goodra
>Enamorous (both)

>>UU
>Samurott-H
>Sneasler
>H-Arcanine (strong but Rock/Fire is SO fucking bad)
>Maybe Electrode-H?
>Kleavor likely ends up here but it could drop
>Typhlosion-H

>>RU
>Sneasler (Probably banned from here)
>Lilligant-H
>Decidueye-H (until Virizion drops then it falls to NU)
>H-Braviary
>OverQwil

>>Shitter tiers
>Wyrdeer
>H-Avalugg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:37:29 No.52873331 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873310
Will say that Kleavor and Samurott c ould very well cut it in OU and I could be wrong, but I feel like they will be more B/C tier picks than OU staples

Kleavor faces hard competition as a rocker from the likes of the Donphans/Garga/Glimmora/Ting-Lu, and Samurott, while cool, could run into some fierce competition with vessels as Dark types and Quaquaval as a physical water (though being able to theoretically break Dozo with Grass Knot is REALLY cool)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:38:15 No.52873343 Report

Quoted By: >>52873380

>>52871847
>getting to +2
Thats the hard part lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:40:59 No.52873371 Report

Quoted By: >>52873424 >>52873921

>>52873229
Sneasler will be banned from UU, Ursaluna might be OU by usage, Kleavor will wind up where Scizor is but for different reasons. Samurott is the best of the starters because Ceaseless Edge might be the freest move of all time, but it has to choose between being strong or fast. This may be controversial but I don't think Enamorus is guaranteed OU by usage. Hisuian Braviary is basically special Quaquaval but it trades the ability to snowball for better offensive matchups due to Tinted Lens. Hoodra is a straight upgrade over Goodra. Harcanine might be cool in lower tiers. Hilligant will be good. The rest are shittos unless I forgot some obvious ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:41:41 No.52873380 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873343
You'd be surprised. There's a lot of shit that's scared of taking a Psychic Fangs/Wave Crash that gives you a free SD

But even if you don't click SD, STABS+Crunch 2HKOs everything anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 20:45:46 No.52873424 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873371
Oh. Basculegion. I want to say "Band Crawdaunt 2" but I feel like Craw liked clicking Knock Off the most. Last Respects is getting banned ASAP which really sucks for it, but I think wherever it ends up there's always gonna be a market for clicking Adaptability Wave Crash.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:05:37 No.52873619 Report

Quoted By:

>throw Tera Ghost/Circle Throw/Focus Sash Spidops together as a meme Webs setter in UU
>it's actually been performing really well
This is totally gonna stop working the moment I leave Low-ELO shittersville but it's nice while it's lasting

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:10:26 No.52873670 Report

Quoted By: >>52873744

>>52873310
No way Sneaseler ends up that low. Its coverage, abilities, and stats are all perfect for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:17:02 No.52873741 Report

Quoted By:

Battle Stadium Singles feels like such a shit format, especially with Tera being a thing. I feel like Doubles 4v4 makes sense, but 3v3 singles just feels ridiculous.

I get that they probably didn't want long single battles on cart, but why not make it 4v4?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:17:05 No.52873744 Report

Quoted By: >>52873837

>>52873670
Yeah, but I have a gut feeling that it'll somehow end up floating around RU initially, at least for a bit until it gets banned from there and then it'll be fine in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:26:18 No.52873837 Report

Quoted By: >>52873862

>>52873229
Kleavor isn't horrible but it isn't that appealing, Stone Axe is less good/interesting than Ceaseless Edge because it's not a stackable hazard so you don't benefit from spamming the move.

The best Pokémon in this batch is probably one between Enamorus, Ursaluna and Hisuian Goodra.
>>52873744
Sneasler has definitely OU potential, it's ridiculously hard to switch into safely if Poison Touch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:27:46 No.52873859 Report

Quoted By: >>52873930 >>52873974

How do we feel about Chilling Waters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:28:03 No.52873862 Report

Quoted By: >>52874114

>>52873837
It's difficult to switch into if it's Unburden as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:33:00 No.52873921 Report

Quoted By: >>52874114

>>52873371
wait why did i think enamorus didnt get play rough what the hell, i could have sworn it didnt and i was like "aw thats shit, guess contrary superpower remains a meme once again"
never mind this things strong as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:34:13 No.52873930 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873859
wish-I-had-scald tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:38:50 No.52873974 Report

Quoted By:

>>52873859
coping waters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:48:48 No.52874055 Report

Quoted By: >>52874081

>>52873310
How could you be so wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:52:25 No.52874081 Report

Quoted By: >>52874232

>>52874055
The only ones I'll concede on are Sneasler and Electrode. Everything else I think I'm right about

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 21:58:09 No.52874114 Report

Quoted By: >>52874142 >>52874232

>>52873921
It doesn't need Play Rough arguably, and doesn't have the movepool to take advantage of a fully physical set in my opinion.
Remember this Thundurus set? Enamorus can do practically the same thing but with its Superpower snowballing instead of becoming weaker. I hate that it doesn't have U-Turn to be used in Therian form however.
>>52873862
Yes but Poison Touch has a ridiculous 80% proc rate on Dire Claw AND it has CC to hit the Steels that would sponge Dire Claw AND it has a U-turn that can poison on contact AND it has Switcheroo to cripple walls it can't break or poison such as Toxapex and Clodsire. The only thing really hindering it is Gholdengo which has to be U-turned on but it's hardly a high risk prediction to make.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:00:06 No.52874132 Report

Quoted By: >>52874148 >>52874151 >>52874163 >>52874232

>>52865498
>AV ttar hard checks the fish, and nearly every other special attacker in the tier with sand boost
>Somehow UU
Someone will see the vision one day

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:00:49 No.52874142 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874114
I'm just saying that it has options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:01:52 No.52874148 Report

Quoted By: >>52874168

>>52874132
>Someone will see the vision one day
you retard every fucker has tusk that reks the stupid ttar and some chi yu run tera fighting to counter other chi yu's.
Play the game you low elo bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:02:05 No.52874151 Report

Quoted By: >>52874168

>>52874132
AV tar is ass against the rest of the meta, also tera fighting exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:03:06 No.52874163 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874132
Fish is getting banned once the results of the tera suspect come out anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:03:28 No.52874168 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874148
>Implying I won't have another check for one of the most used mons in OU
send challenge pussy

>>52874151
Name 3 mons who consistently run it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:10:25 No.52874232 Report

Quoted By: >>52874625

>>52874132
AV T-tar gets clowned on by so much right now
>>52874081
>>52874114
In fact, to elaborate on my opinion on Sneasler, I think it'll start RU because it's one of the less flashy/popular Hisuian mons (especially compared to the starters/Ursaluna/Enamorous) and also Tusk/Dondozo being everywhere, but once it hits RU, it'll get banned, picked up by UU, and be good there

It's the definition of "late bloomer" imo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:23:05 No.52874346 Report

Quoted By: >>52874485 >>52874551

>National Dex AG
All it needed was Tera Fairy to be the most busted pokemon alive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:37:17 No.52874485 Report

Quoted By: >>52874584

>>52874346
>banned from AG
If only

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:44:18 No.52874551 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874346
>revive spams you to death

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:46:59 No.52874584 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874485
The new tier beyond AG
>FI: Fuck It

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:47:19 No.52874588 Report

Quoted By: >>52876282

>>>/vp/showderp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 22:50:52 No.52874625 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874232
Tusk and Dondozo fucking hate switching on Dire Claw or, well, anything, due to the poison hax. And I guess running Shadow Claw over Switcheroo isn't a completely bad idea since it allows it to somewhat threaten Gholdengo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:10:31 No.52874805 Report

Quoted By: >>52874817 >>52874842

Is it okay if I just steal EV spreads from somewhere else? 252 252 4 is easy enough but trying to come up with a good spread that includes defense as well is killing me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:11:58 No.52874817 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874805
I assumed everyone did this, most people are not autistic or knowledgeable enough to make custom EV spreads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:14:48 No.52874842 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874805
if you dont want to do this just figure out what gives you trouble and play with the damage calculator a bit, otherwise yeah just steal what others have done

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:37:27 No.52875106 Report

Quoted By: >>52875247 >>52875748

What do you guys use to consistently deal with the indeedee armarouge lead in vgc? I don't like dealing with it and i've lost a lot of games to it because I don't know if it's follow me + trick room, or if its trick room + protect, or if the indeedee is sash, or if the armarouge is sash, or 100 other variables.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:51:29 No.52875247 Report

Quoted By:

>>52875106
dunno if this is the right way to deal with armarouge and indeedee, but I run kingambit and azumarill on all of my teams and I think that makes the opponent to not run armarouge and indeedee into the battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:55:53 No.52875318 Report

Quoted By: >>52875341

I thought of this earlier in the day, but since H-Zoroark completely walls both of Annihilape's STABs, would using Assurance be a way to counter it? Considering Ape is slower than it, and it'll probably have enough Bulk to survive a hit if it goes Tera-Water/Fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2023 23:58:03 No.52875341 Report

Quoted By:

>>52875318
I don't see the monke lasting until home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2023 00:42:06 No.52875748 Report

Quoted By:

>>52875106
Assault Vest Tyranitar completely walls it. Even a dazzling gleam from the indeedee is going to do nothing to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2023 01:47:39 No.52876282 Report

Quoted By:

>>52874588
kys

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2023 02:09:31 No.52876472 Report

Quoted By:

>>52863490
>Damn, VGC gets to sound like THAT?

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