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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:08:36 No.53141361 View View Reply Original Report

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Ding dong, rain is dead in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:09:25 No.53141365 Report

Quoted By: >>53141424 >>53141483

>>53141361
CHARIZARD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:13:09 No.53141378 Report

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>>53141361
>Torkoal in UU
holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:15:53 No.53141396 Report

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>>53141361
NU is also out
Avalugg and komala are the new donphan and Ambipom in RU too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:21:45 No.53141424 Report

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>>53141365
Charizardbros... how can this happen to us?? Charizard was supposed to be THE strongest Pokemon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:22:54 No.53141432 Report

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>>53141361
fanfic meaningless meta. sage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:23:57 No.53141436 Report

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>>53141432
Against the rules verlisify newfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:33:28 No.53141483 Report

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>>53141365
Expect Shitzard to drop even more kek

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:36:57 No.53141514 Report

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>omgon

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:38:19 No.53141527 Report

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OU usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:38:20 No.53141528 Report

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>>53141483
Good, back to PU where it belongs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:40:42 No.53141545 Report

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>>53141527
>Great Tusk
>53%
Welp, at least it's not absurdly fucking ugly like Lando-T is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:50:12 No.53141626 Report

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>>53141378
That's the proof cheap strategies like Tera Fire Choice Specs Eruption in Trick Room are unviable and rain chads can unfold much better strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:52:22 No.53141640 Report

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>>53141527
First four:
>Hits Gholdengo
>It's Gholdengo
>Hits Gholdengo
>Hits Gholdengo

People are still in denial on how absurdly broken that thing is. Hopefully after Pao gets banned they'll realize it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:54:49 No.53141654 Report

Quoted By: >>53141682 >>53141692

>>53141640
Low I.Q here what do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:57:54 No.53141682 Report

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>>53141654
It warps the meta around on who gets their hazards out first because they're staying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:58:48 No.53141692 Report

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>>53141654
Its Gholdengo's theme song.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:59:03 No.53141694 Report

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>>53141640
based retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:00:23 No.53141705 Report

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>>53141640
>Pao
>Getting banned
Lol. Lmao, even

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:03:10 No.53141726 Report

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:05:44 No.53141744 Report

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>>53141640
out of the top 10, only great tusk can say it's high usage because one of it's best reasons is it's a spinner that threatens gholdengo. lets look at the others

>chien pao
threatens the entire meta, not just gholdengo
>dnite
threatens to sweep at any time, not just for hitting ghold
>iron valiant
walled by ghold unless shadow ball (rare) or knock off (also rare)
>garg
gets absolutely owned by covert cloak ghold
>kingambit
a decent check, but ghold can carry focus blast
>rotom-wash
not necessarily for ghold (also surprised that rotom-w is this high)
>ting-lu
actually pretty good against ghold, just watch for trick
>corv
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:06:23 No.53141746 Report

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>>53141726
Shocks + Torkoal core is going to be broken as fuck...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:06:29 No.53141747 Report

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>>53141726
Surprised Lokix isn't Top 10, Tinted Lens First Impression is on some shit unless you have a 4x resist in the back, which can get pelted by an Axe Kick or Throat Chop on swirtch either way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:09:28 No.53141762 Report

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>>53141747
>unless you have a 4x resist in the back
the first, second, and fourth most used mons in UU are 4x resists

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:14:30 No.53141787 Report

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>>53141527
Amongus fell?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:20:23 No.53141824 Report

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>>53141527
Ban tera for Garg, Espathra and Kingambit.
These are outrageously broken.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:26:29 No.53141869 Report

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>>53141726
>Stinkaton cucked from being mon #1000, BTFO by Corvikight and perpetually stuck unable to make the cut to OU
KWAB

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:46:30 No.53142011 Report

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:50:08 No.53142030 Report

Quoted By: >>53142078 >>53143178 >>53145719

>>53141361
>>53141726
>iron hands dropping
>brute bonnet that low
>fucking brambleghast
are comp players on crack
RU looks fun as hell though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:50:22 No.53142031 Report

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>>53141527
tinkasissies...we aren't even in ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:55:42 No.53142066 Report

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>>53142011
>my favorite lawn ornament is #11
Oh baby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 18:58:28 No.53142078 Report

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>>53142030
Good luck bringing in Brute Bonnet without getting blasted by U-Turn, CC, any Fairy move, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 19:34:52 No.53142280 Report

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>>53141527
Why would they ban the 3rd one, but not the 1st and 2nd?
Sounds stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 19:35:03 No.53142282 Report

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>>53141361
>Pikaclone drops
But m-muh Revive move…it was supposed to be top tier, bros…

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 20:03:53 No.53142446 Report

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>>53142011
NU's pretty limited already, here's the few Pokémon that sound okay enough.
Appletun, Basculin, Braviary, Bruxish, Chansey, Clawitzer, Copperajah, Crocalor, Drifblim, Dudunsparce, Eelektross, Farigiraf, Flapple, Frosmoth, Glimmet, Goodra, Honchkrow, Houndoom, Jolteon, Liligant, Mabosstiff, Magneton, Masquerain, Medicham, All 4 Oricorios, Passimian, Qwilfish, Rabsca, Rotom Ghost/Fan/Fridge, Sandaconda, Sawsbuck, Scovillain, Spiritomb, Squawkabilly, Tauros Paldea Fight, Toxicroak, Veluza, Venomoth, Zangoose, Zoroark.
Extremely suspect Pokémon out of that list is probably Venomoth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 20:48:57 No.53142748 Report

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>>53141527
how did Tusk above the 50.00%?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 20:54:40 No.53142794 Report

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>>53142748
>High defense, atk and HP
>One of the few Pokemon with Knock Off due to the move being gutted, good offensive movepool, rapid spin
>Can take a banded pao with tera asistance
>beats the shit out of gholdengo, a mon that beats the shit out of corviknight, the best hazard remover in gen 8

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Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 20:55:18 No.53142795 Report

Quoted By: >>53142968 >>53143462

>>53141527
feel good that all the gen 9 starter are in the top 30

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 21:13:44 No.53142924 Report

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NU seems fun so far.
Absolutely nothing can switch into Braviary

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 21:24:04 No.53142968 Report

Quoted By: >>53143352 >>53145597

>>53142795
Such starter balance in their debut gen never happened before right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 21:58:20 No.53143178 Report

Quoted By: >>53145719

>>53142030
Brambleghast is crazy good
>spinner in a hazard removal sparce meta
>strength sap is one of the best moves in the game
>wind rider let's you no sell things like hurricane off jug/watt/pelipper on top of a bunch of other random shit
>ghost so it's a spinblocker itself
>decent enough offensive profile to scare things out so it's not entirely passive
>can set up hazards itself
No idea why people think it's bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 22:25:11 No.53143352 Report

Quoted By: >>53147295

>>53142968
Never. The closest they came was gen 8....when at one point all 3 Kanto starters were considered fringe but viable in smogon OU. I think they eventually they booted charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 22:43:33 No.53143462 Report

Quoted By: >>53145558

>>53142795
Dunno if it's a meme but you have greninja in the pic instead of quaquaval, still cool that all 5 starters currently available are ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 22:54:23 No.53143526 Report

Quoted By: >>53143562 >>53144127 >>53147123 >>53147509

>>53141527
I'll never understand how such a middle of the pack boring Pokémon like rotom wash who nobody really likes or feels threatened by always gets this kind of usage every single gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Feb 2023 22:59:58 No.53143562 Report

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>>53143526
Only one weakness dude to levitate which is an amazing ability, ok stats and access to bolt switch which really helps your momentum. Even if your experience with rotom is pressing hydro pump and missing most of the time, I guarantee you will notice once you remove it from the team

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 00:14:01 No.53144101 Report

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>>53141682
Except the moment Great Tusk hits the field you're basically doing a 50/50 on if it Quakes or Spins
>But Balloon
It also spams Knock. Gholdengo can block hazard removal but it's not the god at it that it was early gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 00:16:39 No.53144127 Report

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>>53143526
Because it's an insanely good pivot with an essentially unblockable Volt Switch (unless you're running Gastro), decent bulk, Wisp, and an okay speed tier

The moment I slapped it on one of my teams I went from losing constantly to going on winning strek after winning streak.. It's also super splashable because Water+Fire resist/Ground immunity/pivot/check to physical attackers in one slot is STUPID good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 00:17:40 No.53144136 Report

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>>53142280
Usage =/= brokenness. Chien Pao is more broken than those two because it lacks defensive counterplay and has limited offensive counterplay, but it's also a lot less splashable than Tusk and Gholdengo, who can compress a ton of roles into one slot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 00:19:02 No.53144154 Report

Quoted By: >>53145235 >>53147512

>>53141726
>noivern UU
WOW why?!
I mean im happy for my favorite mon, but why? What niche he got?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 03:07:13 No.53145235 Report

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>>53144154
Tera boombox?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 03:19:01 No.53145288 Report

Quoted By: >>53145330 >>53149367 >>53149434

>>53142011
>naclstack higher tier than goodra
the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 03:29:08 No.53145330 Report

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>>53145288
Goodra not making the cut for RU in dex cuts metas where options are reduced is fucking hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 03:36:08 No.53145365 Report

Quoted By: >>53145419 >>53145513

>>53145330
Someone break it down for me, what is goodra's role supposed to be, and why cant it fulfill it?
Meanwhile a block of salt can do better?!?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 03:44:34 No.53145419 Report

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>>53145365
In theory it's supposed to be a special tank. The problem is that it has no reliable recovery in a metagame ruled by entry hazards

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Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 04:00:35 No.53145513 Report

Quoted By: >>53146893 >>53147154

>>53145365
TL;DR Middling stats for a pseudo bar special defense and literally 0 utility means Goodra is a special wall that gets chipped to death if it doesn't outright die to physical moves. Abilities are also trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 04:08:49 No.53145558 Report

Quoted By: >>53153172

>>53143462
>forgetting about charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 04:20:14 No.53145597 Report

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>>53142968
Cinderace and Rillaboom were so damn good they were practically holding the whole trio on their backs, even Inceleon's lifeless corpse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 04:41:48 No.53145702 Report

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>>53141726
I've been following competitive since the earliest generations and it still is weird to me to see something like Gengar or Mence in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 04:44:57 No.53145719 Report

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>>53142030
>>53143178
Don't forget that unlike the bird, its special wind ability can activate if it switches in even after Tailwind is active. NotZapdos only gets its boost on the turn Tailwind is used. People really sleep on this thing It's funny

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Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 04:48:19 No.53145736 Report

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>>53145419
It not getting recover makes no sense to me when the other slug Pokémon gets it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 06:24:46 No.53146209 Report

Quoted By: >>53146472

Would Quaquaval rape UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 07:51:46 No.53146472 Report

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>>53146209
Quack is middling, fits just right in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 08:10:45 No.53146527 Report

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>>53145419
Didn't we all agree lately that recovery is not necessary? When we found out Recover was nerfed to 5PP and we totally wanted to mock stallfags, some bitches claimed Recover isn't even used so often and Stall will not be dead.

Goodra is not even a stallmon but a special tank. Tanks would need even less recover than real stallers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 08:39:58 No.53146614 Report

Quoted By: >>53146633

>>53146527
Some degree of recovery is necessary for longevity, all talk about recover being bad is just low elo bullshit. Goodra is having trouble in this meta because its filled with dragons and fairies while special attackers that Dragon type resists (aka starter types) are barely around. If you check, there's less than 10 special attackers that aren't Dragon, Fairy or Psychic (because Psyshock doesn't use SpD) spread out between three tiers. Florges is another Pokémon with similar high special defense and actual recovery that's taking Goodra's role as a special wall.

TLDR: Limited rooster, no recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 08:45:59 No.53146633 Report

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>>53146614
>Florges is another Pokémon with similar high special defense and actual recovery that's taking Goodra's role as a special wall.
Well that's a Fairy-type Pokémon and Fairy is a marketable typing so no surprise there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 10:43:50 No.53146893 Report

Quoted By: >>53146971

>>53145513
I wouldn't consider the abilities other than hydration trash, but they're too situational to be of much use. Sap sipper can be good if the meta features a lot of strong grass-type attacks, but useless otherwise. Gooey can be useful for lowering the speed of sweepers that use contact moves so they'll either have to switch out or get outsped by your other Pokemon, but since you lack recovery and your defense isn't particularly good you can't use it more than a handful of times before getting KO'd.

If it had a recovery move (honestly not sure why it can't get one even through egg moves) it could make use of gooey at least a little better, as well as tank more hits in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 11:07:31 No.53146971 Report

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>>53146893
Sap sipper is pretty poor value when you already resist grass and goodra's lack of recovery make it extremely middling for any attempt to take physical hits for gooey.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 12:02:31 No.53147123 Report

Quoted By: >>53149344

>>53143526
The same reason that Landorus-T, Corvinight, Tornadus-T, Great Tusk, Gholdengo, and Heatran are all very widely used when available - role compression. You have 6 slots on a team, and Rotom-W gives you all the following traits with 1 of those slots:

-Ground Immunity via levitate (i.e a switch in to EQ not forced to run Heavy Duty Boots to prevent Stealth Rock chip and immune to all other entry hazards)
- a Volt Switch user (great for maintaining momentum) that deters ground types from freely switching in due to Hydro Pump
- A very solid defensive pivot due to the 2 above reasons combined with it's very good typing and great defensive stat spread
- Ability to cripple would be defensive switch-ins like Gastrodon or Clodsire, stall, or set-up sweepers via. Choice Scarf Trick
- Ability to spread status w/ either T-Wave or Will-o-Wisp, both of which can also cripple sweepers
- Solid Speed stat allowing it to outspeed key mons with and without scarf
- Ability to run other options such as Nasty Plot Leftovers

GameFreak has at least removed it's access to Defog, but prior to Gen 9 Rotom W could also function as hazard control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 12:14:41 No.53147154 Report

Quoted By: >>53147212

>>53145419
>>53145513
If they gave it Regenerator instead of Gooey, at least then it would be able to serve as a decent SpDef pivot against elemental moves considering it has good coverage and serviceable SpAtt

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Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 12:33:31 No.53147212 Report

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>>53147154
>Regenerator

It doesn't need that much, he just needs Recover. Regenerator is one of abilities that should only had been on mons that would be absolute trash without it because its broken. Goodra is okay, just lacking one tool to give a reason to use him instead other Pokémon. Tera Water Sap Sipper Goodra is a decent pivot that can inflict offensive pressure but it doesn't last long if it doesn't find a spot to recover.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 13:11:49 No.53147295 Report

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>>53143352
I meant in their debut generation. But yeah it probably never happened even if we count all generations for all trios. Let’s see how it goes with the DLC, who benefits and suffers more with the newcomers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 14:21:09 No.53147509 Report

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>>53143526
Because it just has a bunch of randomly good traits that aren't anything special on their own but become dumb when they're all on one pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 14:22:11 No.53147512 Report

Quoted By: >>53150691

>>53144154
Because it can give itself normal STAB this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 20:44:21 No.53149344 Report

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>>53147123
>GameFreak has at least removed it's access to Defog, but prior to Gen 9 Rotom W could also function as hazard control.
It was actually arguably one of the best defoggers since it not only could defog on most rockers, but could also threaten them with Wisp/Pump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 20:49:06 No.53149367 Report

Quoted By: >>53152329

>>53145288
goodra really is that fucking shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Feb 2023 21:02:15 No.53149434 Report

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>>53145288
naclstall's ability + salt cure are retardedly good but that doesnt justify goodra being fucking ASS

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 01:04:28 No.53150691 Report

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>>53147512
Oh thats AMAZING

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 05:37:16 No.53152033 Report

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>>53141640
Gholdengo is strong but like Heatran the meta is forcing it into defensive sets, which limit how broken it is
It's invincible versus stall though, Trick Gholdengo can basically 1v6 entire stall teams in natdex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 07:14:09 No.53152329 Report

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>>53149367
It's not even that it's shit, it's that it's thoroughly outclassed by other mons.
Like, it has actually a very good type coverage in special moves and 600 BST distributed in a way that, while not optimal (it would benefit from points moved from attack, probably to defensive stats to maintain the theme of it being bulky, as it lacks the movepool on the physical side to run a physical or mixed set), is still serviceable. However, there's plenty of other Pokemon that do the same role but better (lack of reliable recovery limits its ability to make use of its bulk, and if you need a special sweeper there's other mons with similar or better offensive stats and more speed) and its abilities are all highly situational.
You aren't crippling yourself by using it to the degree you'd do by running something like Magikarp or some gimmickmon, but if you want to make an optimized team you have no reason to ever use it over something else that does the exact same role but better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 07:22:36 No.53152364 Report

Quoted By: >>53152381 >>53152538

>>53141361
What's wrong with Sun? Especially since a bunch of pokemon get stronger with it on the field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 07:28:19 No.53152381 Report

Quoted By: >>53152538 >>53152580

>>53152364
Sun lost a lot with the drop in viability of Roaring Moon and the banning of Chi Yu (which helped cause the former). IT's also just not that consistent anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 08:20:42 No.53152538 Report

Quoted By: >>53152561 >>53152616

>>53152364
>>53152381
Roaring Moon doesn't even really need sun because it can just run booster energy + acrobatics. Great Tusk does benefit from sun and is in over 50% of teams and Flutter Mane is also in OU, which on paper would seem to make sun good, but the issue is that Torkoal itself doesn't work very well in the current meta. Too much hazards means you can either never use eruption at full power or must run heavy duty boots (which something else in your team might want and also means you can't extend the duration of weather), there's a lot of strong water types, some with priority moves, and Great Tusk is in over 50 % teams and has strong ground STAB that will easily kill Torkoal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 08:22:50 No.53152543 Report

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>>53141378
sun is kinda bad
giving your opponent Great Tusk a boost is not a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 08:29:16 No.53152561 Report

Quoted By: >>53152616 >>53157962

>>53152538
>Too much hazards means you can either never use eruption at full power
Hasn’t that always been an issue for Torkoal outside of trick room due to how slow it is, from what I’ve seen it ideally preferred lava plume for the burn chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 08:33:51 No.53152580 Report

Quoted By: >>53152616

>>53152381
>the drop in viability of Roaring Moon
Fairy types?

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 08:49:58 No.53152616 Report

Quoted By: >>53154066

>>53152580
It's less that (though the rise of Tera Fairy stuff didn't help) and more that it lost one of the best things it checked in Chi Yu and sweeper sets have issues with the fact that the meta just naturally got bulkier. Also doesn't help that unless it's Acro (which loses to the increasingly common Rotom-W anyways and STILL loses to Dirge), Tusk just kinda beats it. It's not a bad mon but it's one that's not nearly as oppressive as people thought it would be.
>>53152561
It's always been an issue but now in a meta with few really good hazard removal options and plenty of great hazard setters, it's even moreso
>>53152538
>Flutter Mane is also in OU,
I don't think you're talking about OU because Flutter MAne got banned week 1. I think you're thinking of VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 11:04:58 No.53153172 Report

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>>53145558
Charizard is a pseudo legendary not a starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 14:09:44 No.53153896 Report

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>>53141747
Probably because Slither Wing has more usage, and fills a very similar role, but can also have more sets aside from Choice Band

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 14:51:40 No.53154066 Report

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>>53152616
Yeah, was thinking of VGC where it isn't banned. Though that makes sun even less useful, as of two Scarlet paradoxes you're most likely to encounter in OU Roaring Moon can run booster energy acrobatics set and not need sun to get boosts and Great Tusk wil benefit from sun but the odds are your opponent will also have one and get a free boost and stomp your Torkoal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 17:49:09 No.53154973 Report

Quoted By: >>53154995

>>53141527
>>53141726
>pokemon in brackets have already been voted to
What the fuck is this, a popularity contest? How can anyone take this seriously?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 17:52:26 No.53154995 Report

Quoted By: >>53155117

>>53154973
Not sure what you're complaining about but the reason why the ones that were banned aren't at the top of their respective tiers is because the usage is for the entire month, while the usage of the mons only takes into account how long they were in for

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 18:11:11 No.53155117 Report

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>>53154995
Usage ratio doesn't vote. People do.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 21:15:58 No.53156358 Report

Quoted By: >>53156488

>>53142011
Why the heck is belli bolt so low? I remember him being super tanky using him and just whittling teams down with chilling water and discharge. Has no one even used tera grass to bait out gastrodon??

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 21:18:07 No.53156372 Report

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>>53141514
Better than playing cart

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Anonymous Fri 03 Feb 2023 21:33:26 No.53156488 Report

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>>53156358
#16 isn't too low, but also it's just not as flashy as the other newcomers to the tier and HAxorus being a thing sucks. It'll probably soar in usage this month

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Anonymous Sat 04 Feb 2023 00:48:12 No.53157962 Report

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>>53152561
Weather in general except rain is ass due to shortage of good setters
In natdex the only good weather is rain due to good synergy between Pelipper + Mega Swampert and pivoting moves
Likely see the same if Swampert returns to OU

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