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Why do people want megas back?

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:28:31 No.53194582 View View Reply Original Report

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It was just some dumb gimmick from 10 years ago

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:29:55 No.53194591 Report

Quoted By: >>53194725 >>53195218 >>53196020 >>53198283

it made a fuckton of shitmons actually viable

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:30:19 No.53194594 Report

Quoted By: >>53194612 >>53194801 >>53195024 >>53198438

Same reason people wanted abilities and held items back when LGPE removed them. It doesn't make sense to introduce core elements of the battle system and remove them without a second thought.
Megas returning is the final symbol that the series will go back on the right track. Ever since they stopped making Megas it's been nothing but gimmickshit and stripping down features like the National Dex.
Megas are the last time the battle system truly changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:32:31 No.53194605 Report

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>>53194582
1. It's a highly popular mechanic. More people like it than don't.
2. Most of the designs are enjoyed by most people. Your stray "b-b-but theyre ugly" doesnt mean anything to people who like them
3. They're much more mechanically interesting than any gimmick since, as they're only dedicated to a hand full of pokemon
4. They did a good job at making shitmons or mediocre/falling off pokemon viable
5. Much easier to balance a hand full of outliers than an entire system wide gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:33:00 No.53194606 Report

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I'm tired of gimmicks but some designs are cool and I liked them better than Z moves or Gmaxing. I'd rather they just go back to Megas instead of a new retarded gimmick every gen.
>mega lanturn when

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:33:40 No.53194612 Report

Quoted By: >>53194622

>>53194594
>core elements of the battle system and remove them without a second thought.
>Core element
Please be bait lmao, megas are literally just giving pokemon super powered forms, it's a LOT more comparable to Z moves, Gigantimaxxing and Terastalizing than stuff like abilities and the split which were actual core additions and changes respectively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:35:17 No.53194622 Report

Quoted By: >>53194676 >>53195024

>>53194612
>it's a LOT more comparable to Z moves, Gigantimaxxing and Terastalizing
Newfag.
>than stuff like abilities and the split which were actual core additions and changes respectively.
Yes, exactly. Like megas were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:36:00 No.53194624 Report

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>>53194582
On top of easily being the best gimmick, since theyre active form changes to Pokemon, having them removed feels like a much greater loss.

Furthermore, many of the designs were highly popular. Mega Charizard X in particular stands out popularity wise. Plus, people want a crumb of hope for their shitmons getting some sort of meaningful, unique boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:36:22 No.53194626 Report

Quoted By: >>53194633 >>53194649 >>53194657 >>53194874

>XY was bad!
>I'm going to cock slurp the objectively worst part of it and keep begging for it back for 10 years straight though!

Never underestimate the stupidity of Pokemon fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:37:09 No.53194633 Report

Quoted By: >>53194646

>>53194626
Megas were more of a remake/ORAS thing than an XY thing.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:38:32 No.53194643 Report

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>>53194582
I'm actually curious about this so I'm gonna make a poll OP

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:38:52 No.53194645 Report

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>>53194582
>10 years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:38:52 No.53194646 Report

Quoted By: >>53194657 >>53194929

>>53194633
>Kalos was the region to first introduce megas
>>It wasn't an XY thing
huh?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:39:15 No.53194649 Report

Quoted By: >>53194673

>>53194626
>XY was mediocre as fuck, but had good ideas strewn throughout, with easily the best, most popular, and most enticing element being Megas
>I want them to improve, keep what works, and leave what doesnt. Mega's worked, ergo I want Mega's to be kept

fftfy

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:39:32 No.53194650 Report

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>>53194582
Because it was the best gimmick.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:39:41 No.53194653 Report

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>>53194582
Megas are awesome.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:39:54 No.53194655 Report

Quoted By: >>53194694 >>53194811 >>53194818

Pokemon's take on mid-battle transformation.
Cool new sidegrades for existing Pokemon with Legendary stats.
Mega Stone limitation means no held item, and building a team around your Pokemon for optimal results.
Upgrades and designs tailored to each Pokemon instead of being a blanket power-up.
Pre-release speculation was amazing.
Overhated gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:40:11 No.53194657 Report

Quoted By: >>53194673 >>53194929

>>53194646
People can't even remember XY introduced megas, it was THAT forgettable
>>53194626
>doesn't understand that things can have good and bad parts
Never underestimate the stupidity of Pokemon fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:40:49 No.53194663 Report

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>>53194645
>haha he's saying something from like 3 years ago is like 10 years ago!!!

why do people keep joking like this? its not funny

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:42:06 No.53194672 Report

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>>53194663
it was more of a "now i feel old" thing

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:42:19 No.53194673 Report

Quoted By: >>53194710

>>53194649
>but had good ideas
And Megas weren't one of them.

>>53194657
>doesn't understand that Megas were the shittiest part of the game
Never underestimate the stupidity of Pokemon fans.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:42:29 No.53194676 Report

Quoted By: >>53194810

>>53194622
>Newfag.
>Not liking something that released in 2013 makes me a newfag
If only I knew how bad things would get

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:45:08 No.53194694 Report

Quoted By: >>53194701

>>53194655
This.

Being individualistic in their approach meant it's not some boring, dex wide gimmick, so you dont need to worry about some stray Shedinja fucking mogging the shit out of your gimmick.

In situations where it IS overtuned, it's way the fuck easier just to selectively balance it. M-Kangaskhan for example can be very easily brought in line with just a Seismic Toss interaction adjustment. Compare to Dmax where youd need to gut the entire mechanic for it to work.

Furthermore, teambuilding was just way more interesting when you had a Mega (or two in some instances) as a centerpiece. SwSh VGC had that to a LITTLE bit with specific Dmax targets like Zard, but it didnt work in all formats.

Plus its cool as fuck in comparison. Super Saiyan forms vs shitty playskool plays cool dance move Z moves, or inflation fetish: the gimmick. Call it DeviantArt OCshit all you want, but I'd rather take that over the alternative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:46:32 No.53194701 Report

Quoted By: >>53194710 >>53196007

>>53194694
>Being individualistic in their approach meant it's not some boring, dex wide gimmick,
It also meant that it's objectively terrible for people who actually play the game and forced everyone to run the same few shillmons on their team.

>In situations where it IS overtuned, it's way the fuck easier just to selectively balance it
The actual solution is to not put in the game at all and just balance the regular fucking Pokemon instead of wasting time adding a new layer of pointless bullshit you have to balance.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:48:20 No.53194710 Report

Quoted By: >>53194721

>>53194673
>but had good ideas
>And Megas were one of them.

ftfy

>>53194701
>It also meant that it's objectively terrible for people who actually play the game and forced everyone to run the same few shillmons on their team.
>I dont like ANY of these highly popular picks, nope! Not one of them!

Get better taste, then.

>The actual solution is to not put in the game at all and just balance the regular fucking Pokemon instead of wasting time adding a new layer of pointless bullshit you have to balance.

Mega's ARE the balance, fucko. And guess what, they worked way more often than they didn't.

Meghan the Sun Queen !!fx5E0cPDiLm

Meghan the Sun Queen !!fx5E0cPDiLm Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:48:36 No.53194714 Report

Quoted By: >>53194779

>>53194582
I have no idea what Megas are, but my guess is it’s some sort of feature from the modern era of games?
The thing is most Pokémon stans these days are desperately caught up in nostalgia and obsess over things from the modern era that they love. Unfortunately people like me who rate the games solely for their merits are very few and far between

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:49:14 No.53194716 Report

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>>53194582
Fuck megas, fuck everything about gen 6, nuke Kalos and piss on the ashes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:49:30 No.53194721 Report

Quoted By: >>53194762 >>53194827

>>53194710
>>And Megas were one of them.
Literally nothing about Megas is a good idea.

>Mega's ARE the balance
How the fuck is selectively adding a few broken Pokemon that makes weaker Pokemon even shittier balancing the game?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:49:49 No.53194725 Report

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>>53194591
There were maybe 10 pokemon that actually went from had to usable because of megas directly. Most of them were just shillmon buffs.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:50:27 No.53194728 Report

Quoted By: >>53194745 >>53194755

This board is filled with retarded contraians. Megas were popular and well received and so was XY anime. But same 5 autists keep shitting their pants how akschually it was the opposite because of their cherry picked data or reactions.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:52:57 No.53194745 Report

Quoted By: >>53194792 >>53194805 >>53194839

>>53194728
Megas were poopoo dogshit and no matter how much anyone pretends otherwise there were plenty of people with both opinions back during gen 6. Most people I knew liked gen 6 but weren't big on megas. It was mainly genwunners and people who started with gen 6 that liked them.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:53:22 No.53194749 Report

Quoted By: >>53194778 >>53198305

>>53194725
A shitmon being less bad is still an improvement. The only already-good Pokemon that got Megas were Blaziken, Ttar, Salamence, Gengar, Latis and Garchomp. And Mega Garchomp sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:54:07 No.53194755 Report

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>>53194728
>Megas were popular and well received
because it's the only gimmick that appeals directly to people who don't actually play the game and just proceed to stare at Smogon tier listings

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:55:03 No.53194762 Report

Quoted By: >>53194804 >>53194850

>>53194721
>Literally nothing about Megas is a good idea.

Literally wrong

>How the fuck is selectively adding a few broken Pokemon that makes weaker Pokemon even shittier balancing the game?

Of course anti-Mega tards are too stupid to understand this.

>Take shitmon
>Give it a form to make it viable

You now have +1 viable Pokemon

Compare to alternative:
>Add system wide gimmick
>Now strong Pokemon get stronger, widening the gap

You now have +0 viable Pokemon, and a larger gap in viability.

Mega's dont make weaker Pokemon weaker, theyll always be weak. But it doesnt add a blanket effect to the game causing all already strong Pokemon to consistently further the difference. You seem mad that your favorite shitmon Shidderchu didn't get a Mega and stayed a shitmon, but Mega's being around would only mean that it at least has a chance. Meanwhile with every other gimmick, it stays floundering in obscurity, pathetically trying to Z move while Lando-T takes a hot shit all over it with its better use of the same gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:57:25 No.53194778 Report

Quoted By: >>53194805 >>53194885

>>53194749
>it's still an improvement
Not when you can only use one mega at a time and other ones are objectively better. When you put some decent pokemon in direct competition with somebroken ones, it's a net loss because everyone who has to deal with the broken ones while only a few people will see the decent ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:57:33 No.53194779 Report

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>>53194714
>I rate games for their merits
>has never played them to know what one of their biggest and most successful features is
Fucking retard tripnigger

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:58:50 No.53194791 Report

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Bait thread but for anyone actually wondering, there are two primary reasons.

1 - It’s the best natural expansion of the core gameplay that builds on it without deviating. In terms of all the “gimmicks” we’ve seen since, the second best is probably terastilizing, minus the stupid hats, or z moves.
2 - It’s fucking cool

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 18:58:53 No.53194792 Report

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>>53194745
>there were plenty of people with both opinions back during gen 6
Well their opinions meant dogshit considering that megas were of mainline 2 pokemon games, featured in third mainline and in ton of spin offs. It's popular and you can't argue about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:00:11 No.53194801 Report

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>>53194594
This, and if you disagree, you are wrong. With one caveat - z moves and now terastilizing are pretty natural expansions of the battle gameplay. Dynamaxing tried to do a watered down version of both megas and z moves and failed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:00:27 No.53194803 Report

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>>53194582
I think Tera is honestly the only gimmick I actually want to stay

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:01:04 No.53194804 Report

Quoted By: >>53194834 >>53194835

>>53194762
>Literally wrong
What about Megas was good? Can you name a single thing?

>You now have +1 viable Pokemon
And you also now have -500+ viable Pokemon because you power crept the game with retarded broken shit.

>>Now strong Pokemon get stronger, widening the gap
Every Pokemon gets equally as stronger, you dumbfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:01:05 No.53194805 Report

Quoted By: >>53194821

>>53194745
>there were plenty of people with both opinions back during gen 6

Yeah, and? It was never a 50/50 split, Megas had a dick ton of hype from the get go, but even so, most naysayers changed their minds, and especially in the face of the alternative.

>>53194778
Mega's consistently had a wide array of usage stats with both Smogon and VGC. Yes, some rose to the top like ZardX in Singles or MKang/MSalamence in VGC, but even in that, it was never fixed like you're making it out to be, and furthermore with some exceptions, the weaker Megas were still absolutely useable. Using M-Houndoom might not be the tippy top of viability, but top mons still wont like eating a sunboosted solar power mega fire blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:01:16 No.53194810 Report

Quoted By: >>53194823 >>53195024

>>53194676
I get that it’s weird that he called you a newfag for something almost a decade old. You’re still wrong buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:01:18 No.53194811 Report

Quoted By: >>53194828

>>53194655
It's not a mid battle transformation. You are incentivized to mega evolve as soon as the mon gets sent out.

They're just special mons that can't hold items

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:02:16 No.53194818 Report

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>>53194655
Gen 6 is one of my favorites, my top three are 3, 4, and 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:02:48 No.53194821 Report

Quoted By: >>53194855 >>53194884

>>53194805
>Yeah, and? It was never a 50/50 split, Megas had a dick ton of hype from the get go, but even so, most naysayers changed their minds, and especially in the face of the alternative.
Yea and the majority is obviously always right and pokemon fans haven't proven themselves to retroactively like something more after worse alternatives come up at all

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:03:49 No.53194823 Report

Quoted By: >>53194863 >>53194939

>>53194810
>"Your opinion is wrong"
Not how it works lol

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:04:09 No.53194827 Report

Quoted By: >>53194852

>>53194721
>How the fuck is selectively adding a few broken Pokemon that makes weaker Pokemon even shittier balancing the game?
Because presumably they would’ve kept adding megas alongside dyna and z moves had pokemon not kept declining in quality

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:04:19 No.53194828 Report

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>>53194811
Honestly I think it's why I like Tera so much, it actually is a mid battle transformation that's really malleable to how each game is going

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:04:53 No.53194833 Report

Quoted By: >>53194870

>>53194582
>Why do people want megas back?
most pokemon fans don't actually play the game

therefore of course they're going to like the gimmick that gives them the most flashy designs to clap at even though gameplay wise it's objectively terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:04:59 No.53194834 Report

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>>53194804
>What about Megas was good? Can you name a single thing?

Read the thread, been answered plenty of times

>And you also now have -500+ viable Pokemon because you power crept the game with retarded broken shit.

Those shitmons wouldve been shitmons with or without Megas. Powercreep isnt as exaggerated when its focused on a small hand full.

>Every Pokemon gets equally as stronger, you dumbfuck.

lmao. Outed yourself for not playing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:05:02 No.53194835 Report

Quoted By: >>53194867

>>53194804
>What about Megas was good? Can you name a single thing?
It buffed plenty of pokemon that would otherwise never be used and made them viable for UU, OU, and VGC when they would otherwise be 0/10 shitmons. Think Altaria, Lopunny, Kangaskhan, and Beedril.
>And you also now have -500+ viable Pokemon because you power crept the game with retarded broken shit.
As opposed to dynashit and retarded broken mons like Palafin introduced in later gens? Megas are better and you only get one per team with a lot of variety.
>Every Pokemon gets equally as stronger, you dumbfuck.
Yeah bro I'm sure Kricketune is just as OP as Gholdengo because it can change types now lmfao

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:05:10 No.53194839 Report

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>>53194745
You’re trying to gaslight me and I won’t have it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:06:11 No.53194850 Report

Quoted By: >>53194876

>>53194762
>Mega's dont make weaker Pokemon weaker, theyll always be weak
Overall I agree with your points but I have to play devil’s advocate here - they could always just retcon BSTs to “shitmons”

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:06:28 No.53194852 Report

Quoted By: >>53194884

>>53194827
>because presumably they kept adding MORE broken shit, that would definitely make it balanced as opposed to simply not adding the broken shit at all and buffing the shitmons normally like they've already done dozens of times! Audino and Banette and Camerupt will somehow become good if they add more Salamence-tier megas, trust me!
Yep, megafags are terminally retarded

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:06:50 No.53194855 Report

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>>53194821
>Yea and the majority is obviously always right and pokemon fans haven't proven themselves to retroactively like something more after worse alternatives come up at all

First, youre the one who brought up the "look people were split on it!" argument.

Second, in this case where its discussion about why people like it, yes, the majority people liking something does matter when discussing people liking something. Whoda thunk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:07:10 No.53194860 Report

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>>53194582
You have been the same dumb frog since 10 years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:07:30 No.53194863 Report

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>>53194823
Yes it is, megas were objectively more liked than not, and objectively an extension of the core gameplay. Gen 7 is peak competitive pokemon, that’s why it’s still to this day pretty much all I play on cart. I have been considering trying the ranked battles in SV though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:08:08 No.53194867 Report

Quoted By: >>53194922 >>53194934

>>53194835
>It buffed plenty of pokemon
You don't need Megas for this. Megas did a fucking terrible job at buffing Pokemon.

>As opposed to dynashit and retarded broken mons like Palafin introduced in later gens?
Yes, because Dynamax made every Pokemon equally stronger and Palafin has a significant drawback instead of just being a mindless free button click.

>Yeah bro I'm sure Kricketune is just as OP as Gholdengo
Both get 2x STAB from Tera and they can both turn themselves into any type, so they both got equally stronger, correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:08:31 No.53194870 Report

Quoted By: >>53194879

>>53194833
Why is it “objectively terrible”? Megas were great for gameplay. I was losing interest in pokemon around gen 5 and gen 6 was truly what bought me back in. I played more competitive in gens 6 and 7 than I ever have for the rest of the gens combined

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:08:38 No.53194872 Report

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As someone who is not a fan of mega evolutions in general, mechanically speaking, mega evolutions function as they were intended within game, and for most players for that matter.

I personally don't have a problem with the concept of a "temporary" form shift for a mon mid battle or even outside of such. But for aesthetic and personal preferences, I would have approached it differently.

Instead of having a single greater "upgrade" to the mons form that only lasts for a set period of time, I would have gone with something akin to type shifting mid battle depending on a given "stone" item that can be applied at will. Mega Evolutions from an aesthetic and lore POV don't jive well for Pokemon's more naturalistic tendencies as it was in the past.

I am aware that MEs are artificial by design, but I would strongly have preferred a more naturalistic bent in either allowing some key item gathered from nature to apply said form at will, or going the artificial route, perhaps some scientist stuff where it is explicitly tampering with a mon's typing and form too allow for a greater diversity of of a mon's appearances and abilities that would "justify" in lore some of their more battle oriented appearances.

Then again, this would negate the regional forms as Gamefreak presents them, but I have my own strong opinions about that which would derail the thread. (Tl'dr: I prefer the earlier conceptualization of them being subtler in appearance and leave it at that.)

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:08:39 No.53194873 Report

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>>53194582
Personally I love every attempt to make an oldmon cool again. Though regional forms that just supllant the original bother me a bit.
And Megas are a great use of Rule of Cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:08:50 No.53194874 Report

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>>53194626
Are you ever going to post whatever these objective standards of yours are Kalostroon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:09:01 No.53194876 Report

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>>53194850
Youre correct in that they definitely COULD buff a shitmon via other methods. I mean that more from the perspective of existing in a given gen with a given mechanic. IE; after a gen is made, when observing that gen, wide spread gimmicks wont fix them.

A later gen could of course give a broken move, ability, stat boost, etc... but itd no longer be a shitmon at that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:09:33 No.53194879 Report

Quoted By: >>53194902

>>53194870
>Why is it “objectively terrible”?
Poor balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:10:19 No.53194884 Report

Quoted By: >>53194924

>>53194852
It would be retarded - if that were actually what I said kek
>>53194821
>Yea and the majority is obviously always right
Well now hold on a second, on principle I have to disagree here. Nevermind Pokemon, but “majority rules” is a terrible mindset to have. It’s what’s killing critical thinking IRL and letting very evil people slowly take over full control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:10:28 No.53194885 Report

Quoted By: >>53194897

>>53194778
I am never going to be able to use Beedrill successfully even though it's my favorite Pokemon but Mega Beedrill is strong enough to be used online and actually win games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:11:02 No.53194892 Report

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>>53194582
I fucking hate having megas in game and every game without them is a joy in my life. Also love how much it makes babies seethe XD

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:11:12 No.53194897 Report

Quoted By: >>53194910 >>53194923

>>53194885
Mega Beedrill is fucking terrible and no one won games with it at any competent rank

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:11:59 No.53194902 Report

Quoted By: >>53194913

>>53194879
I don’t really see that, only a few pokemon (fug and mewtwo) got them that arguably “shouldn’t have”. But if they had kept making megas, alongside new battle “gimmicks” the gap wouldve closed. The feature never got to see its full fruition. Regional variants came the next generation and luckily we still have those, sort of. At least we’re seeing that evolve (no pun intended) into separate evos of regional mons, like clodsire

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:13:00 No.53194910 Report

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>>53194897
See this is how we know you’re bad at the game. Mega beedrill with fel stinger has won or helped me win plenty of games and I have the replays to prove it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:13:15 No.53194913 Report

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>>53194902
>But if they had kept making megas
Wasting time more megas isn't going to magically make Abomasnow and Audino and Banette and Ampharos good, it's just going to skew the balance of the game even harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:14:41 No.53194922 Report

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>>53194867
Love how this post says dynamax made every pokemon equally stronger anf theb calls megas a mindless free win button. This dynashitter has no idea what theyre talking about genuinely thinking that dynamax levels the playing field (while not just making the strongest mons stronger) and giving special forms with base stat boosts and better abilities to shitmons is somehow a bad thing lmao.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:14:41 No.53194923 Report

Quoted By: >>53194940 >>53194959

>>53194897
First off, it was frequently used in UU, so this is objectively wrong

Second, even if it wasnt, it's still leagues beyond a Pokemon that is so bad that even shitmons thank god that theyre not that bad. Beedrill is absolute trash tier, and Mega Beedrill is an objective improvement, you absolute bait lord

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:14:47 No.53194924 Report

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>>53194884
>Well now hold on a second, on principle I have to disagree here.
Anon I'm being sarcastic, the point is why would you bring up the fact that one opinion is held by the majority if not to state that you think that means it's right? Good to know you don't think that but what you said doesn't really indicate as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:15:02 No.53194929 Report

Quoted By: >>53195211

>>53194646
>>53194657
>Kalos was the region to first introduce megas
You mean Unova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:15:41 No.53194934 Report

Quoted By: >>53194959 >>53195610

>>53194867
>You don't need Megas for this. Megas did a fucking terrible job at buffing Pokemon.
And yet it's the only thing that ever has
Lopunny lost its mega and returned to being a shitmon in swsh. Altaria lost its mega and returned to being a shitmon in SV.
>Yes, because Dynamax made every Pokemon equally stronger
And made the game shit since all battles were centralized around the retarded gimmick way harder than battles with Megas and Z moves were. Megas were just a really strong mon that was obvious from team preview so you could prepare for it. Dynashit was 3 turns of spamming nukes for free buffs.
>Palafin has a significant drawback instead of just being a mindless free button click
Having to switch out first isn't a drawback at all, retard. If it had to use Flip Turn specifically to get the forme change then you could call that significant but for singles switching out is one of the staple tactics that you already do plenty of in every single battle.
>Both get 2x STAB from Tera and they can both turn themselves into any type, so they both got equally stronger, correct.
Lmao the disingenuous jew trying to imply one thing and state another. Tera helps plenty of mons become even stronger to a centralizing point while shitmons only get marginally better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:16:19 No.53194939 Report

Quoted By: >>53195024 >>53195082

>>53194823
Conflating Megas with gimmickshit and passing it off as a fact is not an opinion. That's retardation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:16:21 No.53194940 Report

Quoted By: >>53194969 >>53195319

>>53194923
That retard doesnt play the game and will probably say UU doesnt count because it has to be a top tier OU threat to matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:18:11 No.53194953 Report

Quoted By:

>Why do people want extra awesome forms of their favorite Pokemon that buffs them up

How retarded can you get? Megas should have never left, especially when they kept showing them in the anime for all of Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:19:37 No.53194959 Report

Quoted By: >>53194963 >>53194969 >>53195001 >>53195034 >>53195077 >>53195319

>>53194923
>First off, it was frequently used in UU
No fucking shit the Pokemon will be usable if you play a fanfic format where you remove everything stronger than it, you dumbfuck. You could use this exact same argument to claim normal Beedrill is viable.

>genuinely thinking that dynamax levels the playing field
That's not even remotely what my post said, you dumbfuck ESL. I said it makes every Pokemon equally strongER, not makes every Pokemon equally strong.

>>53194934
>And yet it's the only thing that ever has
Torkoal never got buffed?
Pelipper never got buffed?
Gothitelle never got buffed?
Ditto never got buffed?
Murkrow never got buffed?
Togetic never got buffed?
Piloswine never got buffed?
Serperior never got buffed?
Clefable never got buffed?

Thanks for confirming you don't play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:20:47 No.53194963 Report

Quoted By:

>>53194959
None of those had megas so I accept your concession and the W in this argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:21:36 No.53194969 Report

Quoted By:

>>53194959
>No fucking shit the Pokemon will be usable if you play a fanfic format where you remove everything stronger than it, you dumbfuck. You could use this exact same argument to claim normal Beedrill is viable.

Looks like >>53194940 called your ass out lol
>Greenquoted the wrong post then calls them ESL

Also lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:26:54 No.53195001 Report

Quoted By: >>53195019

>>53194959
Great, lets just hope every new mon gets a good HA. And if not, lets hope they come out with a broken new type and retcon sunflora to have that type. And if that doesnt happen, maybe theyll give sunflora +10 base speed. Why the fuck would we ever want alternate forms? New pokemon forms? Im disgusted and appalled at the idea!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:30:56 No.53195019 Report

Quoted By: >>53195051

>>53195001
>Great, lets just hope every new mon gets a good HA
So instead we should just hope every new Pokemon gets an entire new fucking design and gimmick stapled onto it instead, as if that's way simpler? Why are megafags so retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:32:22 No.53195024 Report

Quoted By: >>53195037 >>53195039

>>53194594
>>53194622
>>53194810
>>53194939
You guys are literally retarded if you don't see it as a gimmick. Especially since at least 5% of pokemon actually got the damn thing. How can you call it a core element when Gamefreak themselves got rid of it and see it as the gimmick it is putting it along side of Z-moves when doing so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:33:41 No.53195034 Report

Quoted By:

>>53194959
>Murkrow never got buffed?
>Clefable never got buffed?
These didn't actually get buffed, the metagame + global mechanic changes just happened to benefit their existing kits

also yes no one is saying it wouldn't have been better if beedrill itself wasn't just buffed but that's not what happened and beebros will take what they can get

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:34:07 No.53195037 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195024
The fact that it's not universal is precisely why it's not a gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:34:12 No.53195039 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195024
Your mistake here is expecting logical thought from them. There is no reasoning behind it. They choose what to believe and then make up whatever "proof" they want for it while ignoring reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:36:10 No.53195051 Report

Quoted By: >>53195066

>>53195019
New forms would be cooler, yes. But they could do both. Whats the argument against both simply buffing mons and new megas? Why do (you) hate the idea of new forms for shitmon and popular pokemon? Why are (you) so autistic?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:38:24 No.53195065 Report

Quoted By:

God megahaters are an embarrassment
I can't wait for them to return and unending REEEs to spill from their neckbearded cheeto-stained selves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:38:27 No.53195066 Report

Quoted By: >>53195077 >>53195078 >>53195085

>>53195051
>it's COOLER though! I get le ebin new design to clap at!
Can we get something that's good for people who actually play the game instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:39:49 No.53195077 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195066
You dont play the game.
>>53194959

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:40:03 No.53195078 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195066
But I played plenty of Gen 6 and 7 with my mega lopunny and beedrill. Why do you hate the idea of making shitmons viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:40:35 No.53195082 Report

Quoted By:

>>53194939
>putting it along side of Z-moves when doing so?
So you agree it isn't a gimmick then? Good. You have to do more mental gymnastics to pretend it is when there are too many things differentiating it from the three.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:41:32 No.53195085 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195066
Post a screenshot of your ball rank.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:50:11 No.53195140 Report

Quoted By: >>53195192 >>53195420

>beedrill going from untiered to UU with a mega doesnt count because fanfic meta!
>mega is a no skill win button! Dynamax is okay though :^)
>Can we get something that's good for people who actually play the game instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:55:33 No.53195192 Report

Quoted By: >>53195262 >>53195693

>>53195140
Anon, if 5 pokemon go from useless to play, while 10 go from okay to gamebreaking, the game hasn't improved overall, it's just more unbalanced at every level

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:57:35 No.53195211 Report

Quoted By: >>53195234

>>53194929
i know it's bait but i want to see where you're going with this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:58:11 No.53195218 Report

Quoted By: >>53195255 >>53195288 >>53195647

>>53194591
Why do shitmons need an entire form to be viable? Can’t they just increase their stats, movepools, and more things to make them more up to date with the current level of power. They have done this before in recent years, but only +10 to some stats at most and maybe a new important move or 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 19:59:51 No.53195234 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195211
It's just going to bethe same oldcope about the one time Mega Mewtwo was in a movie during late gen 5. I don't think it was even actually set in an existing part of Unova, just a random anime-only city like most other pokemon movies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:01:29 No.53195255 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195218
anon, both options are equally arbitrary and i could just as easily ask you "why would you buff the stats and movepools of shitmons when you can just give them megas?" it doesn't matter beyond your personal preference

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:02:12 No.53195262 Report

Quoted By: >>53195290 >>53195345

>>53195192
if megas are as unbalanced as you claim why is the solution here not "nerf the overpowered megas" instead of "REMOVE ALL MEGAS INCLUDING THE ONES THAT OVERHAUL WEAK POKEMON LIKE BEEDRILL"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:06:19 No.53195288 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195218
Because some megas are completely different from the base pokemon
Sharpedo is one where its base form and mega form compliment each other by allowing to protect for a speed boost before changing abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:06:34 No.53195290 Report

Quoted By: >>53195337

>>53195262
It's not worth arguing with gimmicktards anon. They just want to do whatever stretching they can to get you to say that Megas are somehow similar to the three gimmicks.
Acknowledging that Megas can be balanced on a case-by-case basis (like they already have been in Gen 7) is an admission that they aren't a gimmick.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:10:49 No.53195319 Report

Quoted By: >>53198412

>>53194940
>>53194959
>No fucking shit the Pokemon will be usable if you play a fanfic format where you remove everything stronger than it, you dumbfuck.
My sides

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:12:43 No.53195337 Report

Quoted By: >>53195349

>>53195290
Based.

Leaving the thread now, megas were based and only intellectuals like them. megas will return and become a staple feature soon, trust me. Anti-megas tongue my anus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:13:30 No.53195345 Report

Quoted By: >>53195357 >>53195368

>>53195262
>why is solution not to nerf the powerful megas?
Because there will always ve more powerful megas than decent ones. By allowing only 1 mega per team your lock any existing megas into competition with each other. Either all of them would have to be useless competitively, or the good ones will be on every high level team because using another over them is willingly choosing to make your team weaker than it could be.
If you nerf the strongest mega, the 2nd strongest mega is still a problem. If you don't draw a line somewhere, you eventually nerf all of them, and then it's just pointless. Gamefreak realized this in gen 7, but somehow some people still haven't 7 years later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:14:14 No.53195349 Report

Quoted By: >>53195413

>>53195337
Kill yourself, kalostoddler

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:15:20 No.53195357 Report

Quoted By: >>53195406

>>53195345
So in other words, you can't come up with a single argument for why Megas themselves are the problem that doesn't also apply to literally every other species and mechanic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:16:29 No.53195368 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195345
>UHHHHHH IF YOU NERF A MEGA THAT JUST MAKES THE OTHER MEGAS MORE OVERPOWERED SO YOU HAVE TO NERF ALL OF THEM WHICH MAKES THEM ALL TOO WEAK TO USE
sounds like quitter cope to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:17:16 No.53195374 Report

Quoted By:

Dogshit feature that deserves to stay abandoned forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:21:53 No.53195406 Report

Quoted By: >>53195434 >>53195541

>>53195357
The problem is their numbers. There are ~50 megas that are in direct competition with each other exclusively, and maybe half of those are good enough to be competitive. Even if you double that number with new megas, there would still be a small number of good megas and a larger number of bad ones.
And if you reach the inevitable end of that and make a mega for every pokemon, now the balance hasn't changed. Good pokemon got better, weak pokemon are still weak. There is no way to balance the gimmick as it exists, and changing it on a fundamental level to solve that problem might as well be a new gimmick, which is exactly how we got Dynamax.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:22:40 No.53195413 Report

Quoted By: >>53198513

>>53195349
been playing since the 90’s zoomers, eat my ass lol

Cant post my balls because blue board but have this instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:23:27 No.53195420 Report

Quoted By: >>53195435 >>53195496

>>53195140
>>beedrill going from untiered to UU with a mega doesnt count because fanfic meta!
Correct, any Pokemon can be good if you remove everything stronger than it from the game.

>>mega is a no skill win button! Dynamax is okay though :^)
Correct, Dynamax requires drastically more skill to use effectively because of the fact that it can be used on any Pokemon and you have to decide which Pokemon to use it on and when to use it on a battle by battle basis.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:24:44 No.53195434 Report

Quoted By: >>53195473 >>53195486

>>53195406
>Even if you double that number with new megas, there would still be a small number of good megas and a larger number of bad ones
There is no good or bad when you just use what you like

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:24:56 No.53195435 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195420
Play the games. We know you dont.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:29:22 No.53195473 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195434
Unbelievably based
To dangerous levels

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:30:28 No.53195486 Report

Quoted By: >>53195497 >>53195585

>>53195434
So if battle strength doesn't matter how are you judging whether a mega buffs the mon or not? Just staring at the design in the dex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:31:19 No.53195496 Report

Quoted By: >>53195543

>>53195420
>Dynamax requires drastically more skill to use effectively because of the fact that it can be used on any Pokemon and you have to decide which Pokemon to use it on and when to use it on a battle by battle basis
How does it require more skill? If you use yours first, you win. As opposed to megas which are just solid mons that can be played around like anything else; if your opponent has a mega gallade it's not game-ending if he gets an attack off with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:31:33 No.53195497 Report

Quoted By: >>53195521

>>53195486
yes
mega audino is good because it looks good
mega salamence is bad because it looks bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:33:46 No.53195521 Report

Quoted By: >>53195539

>>53195497
So why does it matter if a form is in the game or not? You can see the design any time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:35:51 No.53195537 Report

Quoted By:

>Megas aren't a gimmick because...I said so

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:36:02 No.53195539 Report

Quoted By: >>53195592 >>53198500

>>53195521
Because I want to use it in the new game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:36:29 No.53195541 Report

Quoted By: >>53195550 >>53195631

>>53195406
but like that other anon said, the issue of "some stuff is still blatantly better than others" applies to every single other mechanic including dynamax
at least megas directly benefit people whose favorites are outright weak with at least SOME buff to make it more worth using over not, whether it be through abillities that offer niches over some of the more straightforward megas or a significant change in playstyle to over some kind of mixup option.
but the problem of there being blatantly stronger pokemon applies to teambuilding in all regards, so acting like that's a definitive point against megas specifically and not just game balance as a whole is stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:36:33 No.53195542 Report

Quoted By:

>Megas are a gimmick because...I said so

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:36:41 No.53195543 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195496
>How does it require more skill?
Every single battle you have to decide which Pokemon to Dynamax and when to Dynamax it based on what the opponent is doing and what your win condition is.

Meanwhile with Megas you just simply click the button the second you leave out the Pokemon out for more than one turn and there's zero battle to battle decision making involved because you already had to slap the stone onto your Pokemon during the team building process.

>If you use yours first, you win
Hmmmm then why are there hundreds of ranked games where the person who Dynamaxes first doesn't win?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:38:08 No.53195550 Report

Quoted By: >>53195571 >>53195580

>>53195541
>at least megas directly benefit people whose favorites are outright weak
yeah bro I'm so glad my favorite beedrill is usable now, it definitely won't just get instantly 1HKO'd by the dozens of people using mega salamence and mega blaziken online

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:40:24 No.53195571 Report

Quoted By: >>53195597

>>53195550
>won't just get instantly 1HKO'd by the dozens of people using mega salamence and mega blaziken online
wow, golisopod can ohko deoxys-a so I guess it must be a complete shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:42:01 No.53195580 Report

Quoted By: >>53195597 >>53195601

>>53195550
you could swap out mega salamence and mega blaziken with any number of busted pokemon that aren't megas
you could also switch it around and go "LOOK MEGA BEEDRILL CAN MELT THROUGH (random OU pokemon)"
the point if that pokemon is a fundamentally unbalanced game across the board and acting like megas are the problem here is a cope

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:42:55 No.53195585 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195486
I use mega garchomp because cool scythe hands and I win with it. I will not elaborate further. Sneed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:43:56 No.53195592 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195539
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:44:33 No.53195597 Report

Quoted By: >>53195609 >>53195613

>>53195571
If Golisopod was on nearly every team like Salamence and Blaziken and could easily switch into Deoxys' attacks, then yes, it would be a shitmon.

>>53195580
>the point if that pokemon is a fundamentally unbalanced game across the board
Made even more unbalanced by Megas existing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:45:02 No.53195601 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195580
This is also based. I love this series and its competitive gameplay but there’s so much random chance and silly nonsense that I’ve given up on it ever being “properly balanced”. If we’re going to have busted shit then at least use megas as a way to spread the busted shit out more evenly among pokemon that can’t evolve.

If everyone is OP nobody is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:45:48 No.53195609 Report

Quoted By: >>53195660 >>53195663

>>53195597
Maybe stop playing shitty cart singles and play OU or UU where mega mence and blaziken are fucking banned, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:45:55 No.53195610 Report

Quoted By: >>53195622

>>53194934
>Lopunny lost its mega and returned to being a shitmon in swsh. Altaria lost its mega and returned to being a shitmon in SV.
maybe becaus they should have been actual permanent evolution instead of using a retarded stone to buff them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:46:28 No.53195613 Report

Quoted By: >>53195620

>>53195597
every new dex's worth of overpowered gimmickmons and new moves contributes to unbalance more than megas.
as I said, you're simply coping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:47:53 No.53195620 Report

Quoted By: >>53195629 >>53195635 >>53195650

>>53195613
There isn't a single new non-Koraidon/Miraidon Pokemon they added in Gen 9 that's as broken as Mega Salamence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:47:55 No.53195622 Report

Quoted By: >>53195630 >>53195652

>>53195610
>J-Just make them evos bro
Many megas were given to mons that were already the third in an evo line or a legendary. Please take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:48:52 No.53195629 Report

Quoted By: >>53195640

>>53195620
lol said Flutter Mane
lmao, even

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:48:55 No.53195630 Report

Quoted By: >>53195636

>>53195622
How exactly does that refute the fact that giving them evolutions is better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:49:00 No.53195631 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195541
>the issue applies to everything
But nothing else you've mentioned has the same small numbers as mega evolution.
The only thing you could really accurately compare to is legendary mons, and those are consistently criticized for being poorly balanced, with VGC seasons that ban them every generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:50:06 No.53195635 Report

Quoted By: >>53195640

>>53195620
the fact you had to go out of your way to specify that koraidon and miraidon don't count proves my point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:50:09 No.53195636 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195630
Because you're speculating about alternate realities which is pointless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:50:44 No.53195640 Report

Quoted By: >>53195650

>>53195629
Now imagine a Pokemon with Flutter Mane's stats but with actual physical bulk and effectively two abilities.

>>53195635
Koraidon and Miraidon are restricted Pokemon. Mega Salamence isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:51:19 No.53195647 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195218
or i don't know maybe give them one more evolution???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:52:11 No.53195650 Report

Quoted By: >>53195655 >>53195699

>>53195620
>>53195640
okay, let's nerf mega salamence then
>b-b-b-b-but
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:52:24 No.53195652 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195622
>Many megas were given to mons
and lopunny isn't so why its not getting a third evolution? why a mega form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:53:10 No.53195655 Report

Quoted By: >>53195672 >>53195699

>>53195650
okay, let's not introduce megas in the first place then
>b-b-b-b-but
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:53:22 No.53195657 Report

Quoted By:

they did nerf mega salamence in sm btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:53:39 No.53195660 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195609
Woah woah woah playing on cart is the best, fuck smogon and their gay ass rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:54:12 No.53195663 Report

Quoted By: >>53195678 >>53195781

>>53195609
>dude just remove the things stronger than it lmao
Why not just do that for regular Beedrill then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:54:28 No.53195665 Report

Quoted By:

>love my shitmons
>play with them and have fun
>retards hate shitmons for being weak
>want them turned into abominations
>still suck because shillmons are also turned into abominations
Slow and painful death for all shitmon haters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:54:59 No.53195669 Report

Quoted By: >>53195694 >>53195723

The main problem with Megas is that only some Pokemons have them, they could add a generic stone that when you equip any pokemon it gets the appearance of an aura around it equal to the Totems and a +20 increase in each stat minus HP, adding up to +100. Like Dynamax that any Pokemon can use, while Mega with appearance changes and other specific modifications (types, abilities and which stat increase specifically) would be the special version like Gigantamax.

Another problem with Mega is that all Pokemon get +100, including the strongest and the weakest, a way to balance this out would be if Pokemon with 400-500 base stat total got a 150/200 boost, and those with less than 400 have an even greater increase.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:55:26 No.53195672 Report

Quoted By: >>53195683 >>53195709

>>53195655
>okay, let's not introduce megas in the first place then
?
megas already exist, why not just nerf the ones you keep bitching about instead of removing every single one of them?
what cope loop are we going to go through next?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:56:10 No.53195678 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195663
Beedrill is like the worst pokemon ever and there aren't enough fully evolved pokemon weaker than or equivalent to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:56:54 No.53195683 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195672
It really is insanity with these people

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:57:38 No.53195693 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195192
>10
more like 5, 3 of which are ubers always
some megas are actively worse than their base forms, like garchomp (unfortunate because i love its design)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:57:40 No.53195694 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195669
I once conceputalized a mega rework that effectively gives every pokemon a 600 BST, with pseudo megas working more like specialized sidegrades and ability nerfs being given where necessary like with mega mawile
sounds like a pretty solid solution to the balance issues, but as we all know /vp/ autists don't want solutions, they want to complain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:58:06 No.53195699 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195650
>>53195655
this is another arbitrary decision that comes down to personal preference and you're autistic for arguing about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 20:59:55 No.53195709 Report

Quoted By: >>53195745

>>53195672
>megas already exist,
Cool, how do I use them in SV?

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Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:01:39 No.53195720 Report

Quoted By: >>53195729

>>53194582
>from 10 years ago
pft as if
*google'd it*
>October 12, 2013
b-b-but.... how???? 2013 was only 2-3 years ago right bros???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:02:00 No.53195723 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195669
I wouldn’t want to make megas into a generic gimmick, half the fun of it is the designs, even if you get a mega manectric or slowbro out of the deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:03:01 No.53195729 Report

Quoted By: >>53195735

>>53195720
What year were USUM or LGPE, megas were in those more recently

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:03:47 No.53195735 Report

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>>53195729
LGPE was 2018

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:05:24 No.53195745 Report

Quoted By: >>53195752

>>53195709
Wait for the DLC

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:07:01 No.53195752 Report

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>>53195745
I could forgive all the performance issues if, and that’s a big IF, they put all the pokemon and forms and gimmicks into this game.

Problem is, can things like terastilized shedinja exist in that case?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:10:59 No.53195781 Report

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>>53195663
Because mega beedrill plays completely differently and gets to be in a higher tier with other mons that are fun to build a team with and battle against

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:38:22 No.53196007 Report

Quoted By: >>53198380

>>53194701
The use of the word "objectively" on this board is the single biggest sign that a given poster is an idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Feb 2023 21:40:14 No.53196020 Report

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>>53194591
This, although some of the designs are great. The concept itself is meh, but it's actually very refreshing both in competitive and in casual play.

I just don't like that half of the megas are given to shillmons/strong pokemon that obviously don't need them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:16:29 No.53198283 Report

Quoted By:

>>53194591
Getting a mega only makes the mega viable
Mawile is still trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:19:35 No.53198305 Report

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>>53194749
and slowbro, and metagross, and gardevoir, and gallade, and venusaur, and alakazam, and gyarados, and heracross, and scizor, and swampert... anyway you're full of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:29:13 No.53198380 Report

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>>53196007
>I don’t know what words mean so other people are idiots!
typical megatard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:33:56 No.53198412 Report

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>>53195319
I knew he was gonna go for the fanfic meta riposte. That first anon made a mistake thinking that his interlocutor would even acknowledge Showdown-Smogon. The normal rebuttal to any good point in reference to the battle simulator these days is
>Fanfic meta.
It might have been 2021, but I'm pretty sure that it was last year that I saw a thread where people didn't even know who Wolfey was, so I doubt as many anons play VGC as Showdown. I know some do, but I really think the majority is skewed in Showdown's favor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:38:01 No.53198438 Report

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>>53194594
Megas were a mistake and set the slippery slope for all the other retarded gimmicks that came after

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:47:18 No.53198500 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195539
Don't need much more of a reason then that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:49:06 No.53198513 Report

Quoted By:

>>53195413
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2023 02:54:39 No.53198550 Report

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>>53194582
Why do people want natdex back?

They're just some dumb pokemon from 20 years ago.

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