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Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:41:05 No.53339744 View View Reply Original Report

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I just realized that Suicune having an ancient dinosaur relative makes no sense because Suicune was born 150 years prior to the events of HGSS when Ho-Oh revived the three pokemon that died in the Bell Tower in Ecruteak City.
>TH-THAT WAS JUST A LEGEND!
Fucking cope shills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:43:04 No.53339763 Report

Quoted By: >>53339879 >>53339903 >>53340201 >>53340640

Weve been over this, Walking Wake could have been the revived pokemon. Ho-oh did not (initially) create Suicune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:43:49 No.53339770 Report

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>>53339744
>I just realized that Suicune having an ancient dinosaur relative makes no sense because [FANFICTION]
yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:44:39 No.53339777 Report

Quoted By: >>53339793 >>53339823

>>53339744
damn bro it’s almost as if the pokemon was magically created out of an imagined sketch or something…

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:45:13 No.53339787 Report

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>>53339744
Aren't there canonically multiple suicune though? Like the shiny one in unova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:45:50 No.53339793 Report

Quoted By: >>53339806 >>53339897 >>53340238

>>53339777
>created out of an imagined sketch
>design takes deliberate measures to be as different from the sketch as humanly possible
do imaginationfags really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:47:02 No.53339806 Report

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>>53339793
GF said it resembled the sketch. Please only pay attention to this and only this and not any other flavor text.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:49:26 No.53339823 Report

Quoted By: >>53340131 >>53340434

>>53339777
The sketch was drawn 200 years ago, before the Burned Tower incident that created Suicune

How do imaginationfags explain that?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:52:54 No.53339856 Report

Quoted By: >>53339902 >>53340127

>>53339744
>TH-THAT WAS JUST A LEGEND!
It has some merit to it as fact though.
What really scuffs things though is the theory that they were reborn from Vaporeon, Jolteon and Flareon.
This whole Walking Wake bullshit throws that whole idea and theme of the city out the goddamn window.
For that to really matter though, we need a Raikou and Entei equivalent to go with it. Which we'll never get, you can bet your ass, and this whole string of bullshit will continue to never be expanded on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:56:02 No.53339879 Report

Quoted By: >>53339939

>>53339763
>all of the past pokemon existed literal billions of years ago
>professor states they existed in these forms back then because "these pokemon's powers seem to stem from a primal energy of the ancient past", thus over time they all went extinct/evolved to their current forms
>except suicune lol it actually hung around for billions of years and then decided to visit the tower in johto and died in a fire

ok

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Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:57:50 No.53339897 Report

Quoted By: >>53339930 >>53340430 >>53342058

>>53339793
>head crest is coincidentally exactly the same
>random spikes on its mane coincidentally match up entei's spikes on the drawing
yeah bro sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:58:16 No.53339902 Report

Quoted By: >>53340127

>>53339856
Its obvious that the revived mons are supposed to be the original vees with the kimono girls deep ties to the city and being traditionally eevee users. This whole Walking Wake debacle can be chalked up to parallel universes in the same manner of mega timeline, ultra spaces, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 19:58:23 No.53339903 Report

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>>53339763
>>53339744

It’s a “paradox” Pokémon. It’s not supposed to make sense. Why are you all illiterate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:01:30 No.53339930 Report

Quoted By: >>53339946

>>53339897
>head crest is coincidentally exactly the same
damn bro... it's almost as if they come from Suicune
>Random spikes on its mane that are shaped, sized, and placed completely differently between WW and the sketch look the same to me, a retard
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:02:46 No.53339939 Report

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>>53339879
It could have been the last one, and then if we get entei and raikou ones it would make sense. Why is this not possible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:04:11 No.53339946 Report

Quoted By: >>53339960

>>53339930
>damn bro... it's almost as if they come from Suicune
Which doesn't have a head crest that looks like that?

>>Random spikes on its mane that are shaped, sized, and placed completely differently
They aren't though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:05:41 No.53339960 Report

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>>53339946
>Which doesn't have a head crest that looks like that?
?????? do you know what a Suicune is, anon?
>They aren't though
this has to be bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:05:42 No.53339961 Report

Quoted By: >>53340000 >>53342600

It's interesting how timetravelcucks still haven't answered how Heath and his friends somehow found all these prehistoric Pokemon yet literally no one else who went into Area Zero ever saw them until after the Professor invented their """"time machine""""

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:10:01 No.53340000 Report

Quoted By: >>53340027

>>53339961
you do understand what a time machine is, right? like you do understand that a time machine can send things to time periods where it doesn't exist yet/anymore
like you do understand that concept, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:12:53 No.53340027 Report

Quoted By: >>53340048 >>53342600

>>53340000
>THE TIME MACHINE MAGICALLY GLITCHED OUT AND SENT POKEMON EXACTLY TO THE TIME HEATH WAS DOING HIS EXPEDITION BUT NO OTHER TIME BRO, TRUST THE PLAN

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:16:01 No.53340048 Report

Quoted By: >>53340298

>>53340027
>NOOOOO THAT ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE THEORY ISNT RIGHT BECAUSE... B-BECAUSE... NONONONO MY THEORY NOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:24:07 No.53340114 Report

Quoted By: >>53340198

>>53339744
It doesn't make sense only for retarded fanfics like theory saying that legendary beasts were eeveelution before their ressurection.
No piece of official lore was harmed by Walking Wake reveal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:29:10 No.53340127 Report

Quoted By: >>53340198

>>53339856
>What really scuffs things though is the theory that they were reborn from Vaporeon, Jolteon and Flareon.
>>53339902
>Its obvious that the revived mons are supposed to be the original vees
Irrelevant fanfic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:29:24 No.53340131 Report

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>>53339823
>Still thinking real world time and pokemon world time are equivalent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:36:54 No.53340198 Report

Quoted By: >>53340324

>>53340114
>>53340127
Retarded samefag cant read between the lines. "People" like this that cant think for themselves need things written in the media, an email, a thread made about it and a personal letter and also needs all that read aloud to him several times before he can begin to comprehend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:37:47 No.53340201 Report

Quoted By: >>53340251 >>53340513

>>53339763
>Entei and Suicune died to a fucking fire
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:40:51 No.53340238 Report

Quoted By: >>53340282

>>53339793
damn I stopped keeping track of the new pokemon stuff for like half a month
who does imaginationfags refer to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:42:19 No.53340251 Report

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>>53340201
First of all, you can die to the results of a burning building like getting crushed by debris or more likely suffocation and smoke inhalation. And secondly, Entei and Suicune didn't die in a fire, they were made from from unknown pokemon that died in the fire. Or that is how the legend goes anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:44:44 No.53340265 Report

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>>53339744
The pokemon who died could have been Suicune already

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:47:13 No.53340282 Report

Quoted By: >>53340353

>>53340238
I know exactly how you feel anon
I don't even know what raids are

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:48:45 No.53340298 Report

Quoted By:

>>53340048
>ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE THEORY
bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:50:35 No.53340314 Report

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>>53339744
Who cares? I'm not going to complain about the only good paradox design. GF did good for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:51:10 No.53340324 Report

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>>53340198
Big talk about "reading between the lines" and "thinking for themselves" that is irrelevant because YOU LACK FACTS to back your theories.
You are the one can't comprehend things that don't fit established narrative, refusing to believe that some retarded fan theory may be wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:54:08 No.53340353 Report

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>>53340282
lol
I haven't played gen 6 and onwards I just learn some stuff from here or other social media

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 20:54:36 No.53340356 Report

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>>53339744
It's time to realize that legendaries aren't THAT special. Just like we all know that pokedex entries are complete bullshit and make no sense, legendaries probably aren't also all one of a kind controllers of time and space that judge all of reality. They are probably just strong monsters that the pokedex takes out of control. Myths and theories by the professors and shaman are probably bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:04:42 No.53340430 Report

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>>53339897
>no forehead horn on right
And this is why I'll continue to fap to the sketch version untill someone makes a 3D model of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:05:08 No.53340434 Report

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>>53339823
That's only if you assume that SV doesn't take place +50 years after HGSS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:05:24 No.53340438 Report

Quoted By: >>53340469

>>53339744
The explanation is pretty simple actually.
>Ho-oh has existed for long time
>Along with Walking Wake, there also existed ancient Entei and ancient Raikou
>Some time in the 1850s, Ho-oh decides to revive a few 4 legged mammal Pokemon and made them into the likeness of Walking Wake and 2 other ancient Pokemon that look like Entei and Raikou

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:07:22 No.53340452 Report

Quoted By: >>53340489

Why can't this just be the pokemon that died? Ho-oh then revived the pokemon we know a suicune afterwords.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:09:22 No.53340469 Report

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>>53340438
ho-oh revived them in the present, didn't it?
if not, that would mean that ho-oh didn't revive the three legendary beasts, but rather their paradox forms, which is a pretty big plottwist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:12:00 No.53340489 Report

Quoted By: >>53340585

>>53340452
Because 150 years isn't "ancient". Walking Wake is clearly a dinosaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:14:56 No.53340513 Report

Quoted By: >>53342531

>>53340201
Flareon shouldn't die to fire either.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:21:11 No.53340569 Report

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I fucking hate paradox pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:21:40 No.53340574 Report

Quoted By: >>53340608

I feel slow and out of the loop. How is an ancient Pokemon looking like Suicune a lore break?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:22:56 No.53340585 Report

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>>53340489
So is relicanth. But it's clearly here unchanged despite being as old as the fossil mons. Much like in real world evolutionary terms, animals won't change or evolve unless there is some external selective pressure placed on them. Coelacanths have found a niche that requires very little about them to change, so they remain unchanged (much like crocodilians).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:24:27 No.53340608 Report

Quoted By: >>53340637 >>53340694

>>53340574
>looking like
It's described as an ancient relative of Suicune. How can Suicune have ancient relatives if Ho-Oh invented Suicunes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:27:37 No.53340637 Report

Quoted By: >>53340730

>>53340608
But something had to die in the fire for it to be revived, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:28:03 No.53340640 Report

Quoted By: >>53345787

>>53339763
A water dragon isn't going to die in a fire. They already showed the three dying in the fire back when they were putting out those Generations shorts. The pokemon that died looked like dogs and stood on four legs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:33:12 No.53340681 Report

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How many times do we have to tell you people that the time machine isn't actually a time machine and it just brings dreams to life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:34:20 No.53340694 Report

Quoted By:

>>53340608
>How can Suicune have ancient relatives if Ho-Oh invented Suicunes?
You're being a pedant. It's a relative of the pokemon that died and was revived as suicune, or is the pokemon that died and became suicune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:39:01 No.53340730 Report

Quoted By: >>53340773

>>53340637
My main gripe is how its supposed to be a bajillion years old, and yet Ho-Oh revived a pokemon that became suicune in the burned tower. This only works if the Burned Tower is somehow older than ur mum, but the event that led to the tower getting burned happened 150 years ago, so theres no way this thousands of years old "ancestor" of suicune existed at the time unless its immortal. Whats even worse is that Entei and Raikou's "ancestors" are completely absent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:44:03 No.53340773 Report

Quoted By:

>>53340730
Why does Walking Wake have to be what was in the fire? It could easily have been whatever dog thing descended from Walking Wake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 21:44:11 No.53340774 Report

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>In scarlet the violet paradoxes are from an occult magazine and are dismissed as bullshit
>In violet the scarlet paradoxes are from an occult magazine and are dismissed as bullshit
>mfw the beast and sword trio fusions in the books are paradoxes in the other versions.
Imagine book suicune in violet and book virizion in scarlet. That way we can still have the cool ass suienkou in the game. Also covirkion I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 22:10:45 No.53341046 Report

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>>53339744
Too bad, HGSS/GSC event are into a total different universe!

Pokémon is a multiverse.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 22:13:29 No.53341071 Report

Quoted By: >>53342052

>>53339744
It's notable that walking wake can't learn electric moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Feb 2023 23:53:12 No.53341972 Report

Quoted By: >>53342080

>>53339744
I dont know why "it's a legend" isn't a viable answer. People make up stuff and are wrong all the time. It's perfectly reasonable that the beasts showing up after the burning tower were simply the first time they were seen by human eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:01:08 No.53342032 Report

Quoted By: >>53342040

>>53339744
>because Suicune was born 150 years prior to the events of HGSS when Ho-Oh revived the three pokemon that died in the Bell Tower in Ecruteak City.
I wish all the fucking zoomers would leave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:02:24 No.53342040 Report

Quoted By: >>53342071

>>53342032
HGSS are oldfag games. Unovabortions and later are the zoom zooms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:03:15 No.53342046 Report

Quoted By: >>53342055

>>53339744
Pretty audacious of you to assume you know more about pokemon lore than the people who make it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:03:37 No.53342052 Report

Quoted By:

>>53341071
>handlebar head
>can't ride it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:04:12 No.53342055 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342046
Not really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:04:17 No.53342058 Report

Quoted By: >>53342128

>>53339897
>>head crest is coincidentally exactly the same
>considerably less smooth
>branches at the sides are much longer
>frontal horn that isn't present on ANY other suicune

>>random spikes on its mane coincidentally match up entei's spikes on the drawing
>literally no spikes on the mane just red chunks of fur
>red fur is higher up while the spikes are lower down.
Are you people fucking blind?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:05:55 No.53342071 Report

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>>53342040
>HGSS are oldfag games
2009 is literally zoomers territory but that's not why I'm calling you a zoomer, it's because neither the gen 2 nor 4 Johto games say anything about Ho-oh creating the beasts, just that they revived them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:06:58 No.53342080 Report

Quoted By: >>53342087 >>53342100 >>53342110 >>53342125 >>53344261 >>53344288

>>53341972
In the telling of that legend, the people knew three pokemon died, saw Ho-oh come and use its power, then immediately saw Suicune, Raikou, and Entei appear from inside the burned tower. There wasn't any room for a misunderstanding about where the beasts came from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rga9wUdKRk8&t

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:08:01 No.53342087 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342080
Oh okay cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:09:08 No.53342100 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342080
>There wasn't any room for a misunderstanding about where the beasts came from.
And yet people still think they were made from three regular pokemon rather than just being the beasts that didn't have a name until after the fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:10:18 No.53342110 Report

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>>53342080
>anime
>Youtube-only anime spin-off no less
Motherfucker there's like five Suicune that show up in the anime

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:11:34 No.53342125 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342080
>Pokemon Generations
>6 years ago
Where in the FUCK did the time go

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:11:52 No.53342128 Report

Quoted By: >>53342182

>>53342058
>>considerably less smooth
nope
>branches at the sides are much longer
doesn't matter, they're the same shape
>>frontal horn that isn't present on ANY other suicune
it's there on the sketch
>>literally no spikes on the mane just red chunks of fur
which represent the spikes on the sketch
>>red fur is higher up while the spikes are lower down.
it's higher up and lower down on both

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:20:38 No.53342182 Report

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>>53342128
>nope
Yes you can see that Wake's crest is rough as if it needs to be sanded down and smoothed.
>doesn't matter, they're the same shape
Except they aren't if they're longer and have ridge are they.
>it's there on the sketch
It's not, it's completely flat like the original Suicune. You probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
>it's higher up and lower down on both
It's not you clearly see it as plain as day that the red hair is higher up, looking as if they're coming from the head, than the entei spikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:22:15 No.53342189 Report

Quoted By: >>53342236

>>53339744
>literally called a PARADOX pokémon
>"it doesn't make sense!"
this board's collective IQ is two digits I'm sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:26:26 No.53342212 Report

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https://discord.gg/cA5CX5SkJx

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 00:28:19 No.53342236 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342189
Try single digits

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 01:05:59 No.53342478 Report

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I don't know what a paradox pokemon is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 01:12:38 No.53342531 Report

Quoted By:

>>53340513
Flareon would die to a stream of piss

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 01:25:22 No.53342600 Report

Quoted By: >>53342645

>>53339961
doesn't the game state nobody ever went down to the deepest level of area zero until the professor's expedition 10 years before the events of sv? genuinely asking, i don't have the game handy to check
>>53340027
>THE IMAGINATION MACHINE GENERATED THE SAME EXACT SPECIES OF POKEMON THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY CAME FROM OTHER TIMES USING ONLY THE IMAGINATIONS OF EXACTLY TWO PEOPLE AND PRODUCING THE SAME RESULT BOTH TIMEE EVEN THOUGH THE SECOND PERSON'S IMAGINATION REASONABLY SHOULDN'T BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE FIRST PERSON'S GIVEN THE 200 YEAR GAP IN CULTURAL ADVANCEMENT BRO, TRUST THE PLAN
clearly this is a much more rational argument
>captcha: YAYW42
what did he mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 01:32:51 No.53342645 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342600
>doesn't the game state nobody ever went down to the deepest level of area zero until the professor's expedition 10 years before the events of sv?
Uh, we don't know how far the team that discovered terastallization went but the lab team 80 years ago went pretty far in at least far enough to reach the crystals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 05:36:46 No.53344261 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342080
FALSE FALSE FALSE FAKE FAKE FAKE MISINFORMATION MISINFORMATION MISINFORMATION

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 05:40:21 No.53344283 Report

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Ho-Oh created A suicune. Not all suicune. There are canonically multiple suicune, and Ho-Oh only created that one from the burned tower, not all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 05:40:51 No.53344288 Report

Quoted By:

>>53342080
Well then imagination theory is true

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 12:13:50 No.53345783 Report

Quoted By:

>>53339744
Pretty much, dinosaur Suicune is so fucking stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 12:15:07 No.53345787 Report

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>>53340640
humans are 70% water and die to fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Mar 2023 12:15:46 No.53345791 Report

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Dumbest gimmick in years.

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