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Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 19:47:27 No.53435684 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>53435721 >>53435747 >>53435911 >>53436194 >>53436203 >>53438727 >>53440370

This is such a fucking dogshit type now. Even dragon legendaries like Eternatus and Giratina suck. There is no point to dragons now that every other type has strong Pokemon, while being way more useful offensively. You will never need a dragon-type move. A Pokemon like Tatsugiri could be completely busted with better secondary typing. There are few actual good dragons like Baxcalibur or Walking Wake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 19:53:55 No.53435721 Report

Quoted By: >>53435770 >>53435871

>>53435684
STAB for all Types is reduced to 1.33x, except Normal and Dragon which have 1.66x STAB

Did I do a good (no yelling or being mean pls)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 19:59:12 No.53435747 Report

Quoted By: >>53435782

>>53435684
Eternatus was one of the best mons in Ubers last gen. There are about as many prominent Dragon mons in comp as any other type. In Doubles there's Baxcalibur, Roaring Moon, Garchomp, and Dragonite. In Singles there's all of those alongside Dragapult, Hydreigon, and Walking Wake.
What are you even talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:03:50 No.53435770 Report

Quoted By: >>53435806

>>53435721
You're a fucking retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:06:01 No.53435782 Report

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>>53435747
He wants Dragons to overwhelmingly shit on every other type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:09:04 No.53435804 Report

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>nooo i cant click outrage to win or nuke the entire enemy team with draco meteor dragon SUCKS!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:09:59 No.53435806 Report

Quoted By: >>53438697

>>53435770
Excuse me you violated my request

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:20:46 No.53435871 Report

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>>53435721
IT'S ALRIGHT! I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT GAME BALANCE THOUGH!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:28:12 No.53435911 Report

Quoted By: >>53435943

>>53435684
It has high BP attacks that hit all but two types for neutral damage.

The Dragon type itself didn't get any worse, other types just got better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:34:57 No.53435943 Report

Quoted By: >>53435947

>>53435911
>The Dragon type itself didn't get any worse
Fairies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 20:35:56 No.53435947 Report

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>>53435943
That's not a direct nerf to the Dragon type. That's the introduction of a type that counters it. The type itself is as good as it ever was, it just has a counter now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:13:45 No.53436194 Report

Quoted By: >>53440928

>>53435684
>Now
Dragon was good for Gens 3 and 4
Nothing since that, certainly not before that
It’s one of the shittiest groups of moms, but so many people keep sucking its dicks because Muh Uber Strong Special Dragoooons
Faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:15:14 No.53436203 Report

Quoted By: >>53436211 >>53436222

>>53435684
Fairy and Steel are too good, with no real downsides. We need a new type to weaken those two and buff the shitty types (dragon, psychic, big)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:16:26 No.53436211 Report

Quoted By: >>53436223 >>53436231

>>53436203
Fairy just needs to be resisted by Grass and it will be fine. Steel is balanced by being weak to three of the most common offensive types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:18:01 No.53436222 Report

Quoted By: >>53436240

>>53436203
The entire reason Fairy exists is to nerf Dragon, the same way Dark was invented to nerf Psychic. It's working as intended

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:18:07 No.53436223 Report

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>>53436211
Fairy needs to be weak to Bug to give Bug a reason to exist and give fairy some kind of downside. Meanwhile Steel is objectively the best defensive type in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:19:03 No.53436231 Report

Quoted By: >>53436257 >>53436287

>>53436211
That's not balance, Steel is the reason those types are common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:20:22 No.53436240 Report

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>>53436222
And it nerfed both of them into the ground. Now both typings are an active detriment to the Pokemon they're on, especially Psychic which is now a bottom tier typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:23:41 No.53436257 Report

Quoted By: >>53442390

>>53436231
>Ground, Fire and Fighting are all great offensive types with great moves
>Steel weak to all of them, some members of the type are so allergic to one of these moves that they will die in one hit to them
seems fine to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Mar 2023 21:28:22 No.53436287 Report

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>>53436231
You might have a case for Fire, since it otherwise only hits pretty weak defensive types like Ice, Grass, and Bug, but Ground has Earthquake and Fighting handles Normal and Dark types very well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 03:30:47 No.53438697 Report

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>>53435806
What request, these are closed decades ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 03:36:07 No.53438727 Report

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>>53435684
>You will never need a dragon-type move
You are a complete retard who doesn't actually play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 11:18:08 No.53440370 Report

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>>53435684
I wouldn't call it dogshit on its own honestly, Grass/Fire/Water/Electric resistance alone honestly makes it pretty solid as "all-arounder" defense secondary typing.

The issue isn't with Dragon so much that it is that Fairy exists and is blatantly and apologetically favored by the devs ever since it was introduced (at this point i would say Fairy has probably been "Top Type" for longer then Dragon was considering Gen1 and 2 wasn't THAT favorable to the type with shit like Set-Damage moves and being on 1-2 evolutionary lines total, Gen3 or 4 is probably when Dragon "surpassed" Psychic proper), and that is a issue all things weak to it share rather then being Dragon specific, in fact i would say that Dragon still has it better then its Fairy-Weak contemporaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 13:47:18 No.53440907 Report

Quoted By: >>53441903

>neutral on SIXTEEN types
>resist to Fire, Electric AND Water
>generally just high BST
It's a good STAB type, it's a good defensive Tera type, it's complete garbage as a coverage type but that doesn't fucking matter for the mons who actually have the type.
lol at "A Pokemon like Tatsugiri could be completely busted with better secondary typing." especially, what a fucking silly thing to say.
... fuck Fairy lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 13:51:40 No.53440928 Report

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>>53436194
>"shut the fuck up"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 16:58:01 No.53441903 Report

Quoted By: >>53442024 >>53442524

>>53440907
There are a lot of types out there that hit a ton of things neutrally and only have two or three resists, and those other types also have the advantage of hitting something other than themselves super-effectively.
Fairy is a much better defensive type, especially for Tera, because good Poison or Steel attacks are much harder to come by than Ice, which hits a lot more than just Dragon. Fairy is mostly just overtuned, where there should probably be more types that resist it so it's more firmly a defensive type instead of an also being a great offensive one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 17:16:07 No.53442024 Report

Quoted By: >>53442136 >>53442416

>>53441903
>There are a lot of types out there that hit a ton of things neutrally and only have two or three resists, and those other types also have the advantage of hitting something other than themselves super-effectively.

Those types don't hit the entire game for (save for two types), for neutral damage. Sure, you're not doing super-effective damage on anything but other dragons, but that doesn't matter when you've got STAB. A neutral STAB attack does the same or more damage than a super-effective non-STAB attack most of the time anyway.

The boost from STAB is 50%, the same boost that a super-effective attack gets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 17:36:16 No.53442136 Report

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>>53442024
>Those types don't hit the entire game for (save for two types), for neutral damage
Yes, they instead hit the entire game for (save for three types), for neutral damage. Fairy has to deal with Poison, Steel, and Fire as resists, but also hits Dragon, Dark, and Fighting supereffectively.
Even better case with Ghost. Ghost only has to worry about Dark and Normal for resists, hits itself supereffectively just like Dragon, and also nails Psychic. And that's on top of two immunities and being immune to trapping.

>The boost from STAB is 50%, the same boost that a super-effective attack gets.
I don't know how to tell you this, but every type gets STAB, and can benefit from both it and super-effective hits at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 17:41:47 No.53442159 Report

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>weak to objectively the two most powerful types in the game

Yep it's shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:22:39 No.53442390 Report

Quoted By: >>53442424 >>53442450

>>53436257
Before Gen 2, Fire and Fighting were awful. Even when top Pokemon were Normal, Grass, and Rock. It wasn’t until this new type that resists over half of all types was introduced that Fire and Fighting were good offensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:25:10 No.53442416 Report

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>>53442024
>A neutral STAB attack does the same or more damage than a super-effective non-STAB attack most of the time anyway.
no, it doesn't. STAB gives 1.5x damage, type effectiveness gives 2x damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:27:02 No.53442424 Report

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>>53442390
Fire was bad because most of the Fire types had shit mivepools excepr a Magmar and CHARIZARD
Fighting was bad because it had no moves , psychic being over good, and most fighting types having embarrassing Special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:31:13 No.53442450 Report

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>>53442390
Fighting would still be bad offensively if it's best move was still Submission.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:36:35 No.53442477 Report

Quoted By: >>53442481 >>53442501

Fairy is the gayest type in the game and why Steel is so prominent now. They should have just made Ice resistant or immune to Dragon attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:37:25 No.53442481 Report

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>>53442477
Steel was prominent well before Fairy existed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:40:39 No.53442501 Report

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>>53442477
That wouldn't work because just like Steel, Ice is weak to Fire, and just about every Dragon type can learn Fire attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:43:45 No.53442515 Report

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Kyurem is still good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Mar 2023 18:44:38 No.53442524 Report

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>>53441903
Fairy is trash offensively without STAB. Nothing runs Fairy moves unless they're STAB or have no better options.

Even with STAB, most dual-type Fairies rely more on their OTHER STAB.

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