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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 00:17:12 No.53537962 View View Reply Original Report

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Why choose Feraligatr when I can get Gyarados, lapras, poliwrath, politoad, starmie, mantine?

Why choose Typhlosion if I can get arcanine, magmar?

Meganium is the best gen 2 starter for elimination reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 00:18:38 No.53537974 Report

Quoted By: >>53538121 >>53539635

Why choose Meganium when you can get Victreebel, Vileplume, and Bellossom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 00:40:49 No.53538121 Report

Quoted By: >>53539022 >>53540091

>>53537974
Chikorita learns Razor Leaf at level 8. Every other grass type available has to rely on Vine Whip or Absorb for most of Johto. Even Oddish and Bellsprout don't learn Acid till the mid 20s.
Exeggcute is slightly better because Psychic is a good type against all the poison mons you'll face, but even then it only gets Confusion at level 19 and that's it.
Meganium is really the only grass type even remotely worth using in GSC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 00:47:27 No.53538171 Report

Quoted By: >>53538225 >>53538296

>>53537962
If anything you made a case for typhlosion given how shit Meganium is when you have a grand total of 2 fire types to choose from

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 00:56:49 No.53538225 Report

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>>53538171
Magmar's a good alternative (though only in GS).
It's slightly weaker than Typhlosion but it's much stronger than Quilava would be at the time you can catch it and is immediately compatible with Thunder Punch.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 00:58:19 No.53538232 Report

Quoted By: >>53538392 >>53539020

Why have a Meganium when you can have a shiny Meganium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:00:50 No.53538243 Report

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>>53537962
This is usually why I pick Meganium myself. It's the only Grass-type I enjoy using from its games/hacks of its games. For Fire I go with Houndoom or Arcanine. For Water I go with Lanturn or Lapras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:03:17 No.53538253 Report

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>>53537962
>Why choose Feraligatr when I can get Gyarados,
Gatr has a better Special attack and gets Ice Punch for earlier Ice coverage
>lapras,
availability
>poliwrath,
Gatr doesn't need a stone
>politoad,
Gatr isn't a Trade evo
>starmie,
Gatr doesn't need a stone
>mantine
Gatr has a better movepool and ICe Punch for early Ice coverage
Feraligar doesn't need a stone
Feraiaglar Has beter Special than Gyrados

>Why choose Typhlosion if I can get arcanine,
Typhlosion doesn't need a stone and Typhlosion has better movepool
>magmar
rarity also Typhlosion has better stats overall
>Ponyta (I know you didn't count it but its technically before the elite 4)
Typhlosion has a far better movepool
>Ninetales (is available in silver)
Typhlosion doesn't need a stone and has a better movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:07:21 No.53538276 Report

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Why would you ever pick Chikorita?

>Falkner
>Bugsy
>Morty
>Pryce

And maybe even Jasmine has some kind of advantage over it. Insanely weak against Lance as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:08:17 No.53538282 Report

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>>53537962
Gen 4 is similar. Why choose Chimchar when I can get Ponyta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:10:11 No.53538296 Report

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>>53538171
Magcargo and Houndoom are only available postgame, so depending on your title you can only get Ninetales, Arcanine, or Magmar for Fire-types during Johto if you don't choose Cyndaquil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:14:23 No.53538322 Report

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>>53538296
A pretty strong case has already been made, there is also the fact that meganium is bad, why choose meganium when you can get exeggcute? Why choose anything at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 01:25:55 No.53538392 Report

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>>53538232
clean your console slob

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:00:51 No.53539011 Report

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>>53537962
why even have a grass mon in johto

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:03:29 No.53539020 Report

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>>53538232
>zoomer hair

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:03:59 No.53539022 Report

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>>53538121
>fag minmaxing an ingame run of the most casual pokemon game 25 years later
autism

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:21:34 No.53539116 Report

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>>53537962
oddish lightyears better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:24:49 No.53539128 Report

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I just replayed Crystal and Meganium sucks. The real salt in the wound is being weak to team rocket poison types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:30:53 No.53539155 Report

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>>53537962
What do you ever need a grass-type for in Johto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:38:50 No.53539194 Report

Quoted By: >>53539221 >>53539289 >>53539490 >>53540095

>Weak to Falkner
>Weak to early route birds
>Good against cave Pokemon
>Neutral water matchups because of all the tentacools
>Weak to Bugsy
>Neutral to Whitney
>Extremely bad against Morty's ghost/poison gym
>Weak to Jasmine
>Good for one Chuck pokemon, maybe both if it knows reflect
>Weak to Pyrce
>Grass is resisted against dragons, Gatr at least can get ice punch
>Bad against team rocket
The worst and weakest starter.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:41:41 No.53539205 Report

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>>53537962
>that absolute disrespect towards Tangela and Sunflora

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 04:45:31 No.53539221 Report

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>>53539194
I always really loved the subversion.
All through gen 1, all you saw in official media and guidebooks was "Bulbasaur is the best starter for new players, it evolves earlier and is effective against all early gyms".
Then you get to GSC and choosing the grass type and leaning hard on it like kids are want to do results in getting hard walled by Fury Cutter and having your strongest move be Body Slam against Morty.
Absolutely devilish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:00:04 No.53539289 Report

Quoted By: >>53539298

>>53539194
>Weak to Jasmine
No it isn’t. Jasmine has no super effective move against it. It resists magnemite’s electric. And beacuse ground is 4x effective against Magnemite, mud slap is actually a decent option despite its low base power.
>Good for one Chuck pokemon, maybe both if it knows reflect
Is there any you wouldn’t let have reflect though?
> Grass is resisted against dragons,
Except it also resists most of Clair’s teams moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:03:14 No.53539298 Report

Quoted By: >>53539324

>>53539289
>just hang onto Mudslap TM for Gym 6 bro!
>it resists a completely different train than the one you said though!
Ah, so this is the "contrarian cope" I keep hearing about. The need to speak up and refute something no matter how retarded you sound. Fascinating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:09:43 No.53539324 Report

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>>53539298
>just hang onto Mudslap TM for Gym 6 bro!
If someone was so set one using Meganium for every battle there’s no reason they wouldn’t hold on to mud slap since it’s one of the few semi good TM Meganium gets
>it resists a completely different train than the one you said though!
What the fuck are you talking about if not Clair.
> Ah, so this is the "contrarian cope
You’re the one coping

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:12:53 No.53539343 Report

Quoted By: >>53539442 >>53541569

>>53537962
Typhlosion with thunder punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:33:21 No.53539442 Report

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>>53539343
Gen2 Typhlosion and Gen2 Feraligatr mog Meganium with punches so badly it's not funny. Thunder punch takes out water types, ice punch takes out grass types. Such good coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:42:09 No.53539490 Report

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>>53539194
>Weak to Falkner
>Weak to early route birds
>Weak to Bugsy
>Extremely bad against Morty's ghost/poison gym
>Weak to Pyrce
>Bad against team rocket
You see this as a problem, I see this as an opportunity. Pokemon games are piss easy anyway, overcoming bad matchups is a lot more rewarding in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:45:31 No.53539505 Report

Quoted By: >>53540022

>>53539205
Also Golduck. You can catch one by surfing in Ilex Forest. It can learn ice punch and has a higher special attack and speed than Gatr. Golduck peaked in gen 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 05:48:40 No.53539515 Report

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>>53537962
>Why choose Feraligatr when I can get Gyarados, lapras, poliwrath, politoad, starmie, mantine?

Because none of them are feral gator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 06:11:30 No.53539574 Report

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I prefer Quagsire to Gatr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 06:26:45 No.53539635 Report

Quoted By: >>53539791

>>53537974
You can only really get bellossom in GSC before kanto. You can get sunflora too but that doesnt really compare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 06:33:27 No.53539649 Report

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>>53537962
Who cares? These games are so easy just mash A

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 07:14:51 No.53539783 Report

Quoted By: >>53539815

Comparing Chikorita to Oddish

>In gen 2 their stats are very similar with the only significant difference is meganiums speed and defense. The rest are minor but both bellossom and vileplume have higher special attack then meganium.
>The oddish line pretty much has to rely on absorb for a grass move until gloom hits 44 or you beat the grass gym in kanto.
>Meganium gets razor leaf very early but will also be using it until you beat the grass gym.
>They both dont learn a lot of good tms, forunately for meganium you dont have to use your return tm on it for it to have a decent normal move because it learns body slam but thats about the only other good move it gets unless you want to give it earthquake.
>Both learn sludge bomb but only oddish gets acid before it.

To be honest both suck compared to gen 1 Venusaur and Vileplume. However Meganium is better for most of the game, the oddish line is better but only if you train gloom to 44 to get petal dance

In gen 4 dispite all the buff Chikorita got the oddish line is way better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 07:16:59 No.53539790 Report

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>>53537962
Why choose Meganium when you don't need grass coverage at all in those games? I like the little lady, but don't pretend there is any need for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 07:17:34 No.53539791 Report

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>>53539635
Crystal lets you get the evolutionary stones before Kanto by registering the numbers of certain people who frequently come across them, and they'll hand them over. Picnicker Gina on Route 34 specifically hands over Leaf Stones.

Also there's an awful lot of Picnickers in Johto for some reason. I guess everyone likes camping?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 07:23:24 No.53539812 Report

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>>53537962
Damn Crystal really fucked it up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 07:24:37 No.53539815 Report

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>>53539783
The Oddish line gets Sleep Powder, which is far more handy than Poison Powder for catching Pokemon. 70% accuracy versus the Gastly line's Hypnosis at 60% and Jigglypuff/Lapras's Sing at 55%. Only thing better is the Paras line's Spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 07:28:47 No.53539830 Report

Quoted By: >>53539923

I used Jumpluff on my Silver virtual console team and had to rely on Sleep Powder/Leech Seed/Headbutt but it was actually quite effective and not as tedious as it sounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:07:20 No.53539923 Report

Quoted By: >>53539960 >>53539972

>>53539830
that sounds SHIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:18:12 No.53539960 Report

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>>53539923
Having the fastest sleep powder in the game is nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:21:48 No.53539972 Report

Quoted By: >>53539976

>>53539923
Sorry? What's that? I'm afraid I can't decipher all the snoring you're making after I've put your slow ass to sleep. Maybe if I don't flinch you you can finally speak up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:23:53 No.53539976 Report

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>>53539972
Based, jumpluff is a lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:24:46 No.53539977 Report

Quoted By: >>53539985 >>53539987 >>53540057

>>53537962
>mantine
>Magmar
I mean yeah meganium gets a lot of hate but fire types are scarce, feraligatr is cool and grass type is not that useful in gen 2, there aren't even water/ground types yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:28:22 No.53539985 Report

Quoted By: >>53540003

>>53539977
>there aren’t even water/ground types yet
Zoom zoom

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:28:25 No.53539987 Report

Quoted By: >>53540003

>>53539977
>there aren't even water/ground types yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:35:37 No.53540003 Report

Quoted By: >>53540010 >>53540057

>>53539985
>>53539987
Tell me (1) important trainer that uses quagsire. Your bro is forgettable and neutral matchup wreckable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:37:56 No.53540010 Report

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>>53540003
>backpedaling
It’s ok man, you’re just retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:40:21 No.53540018 Report

Quoted By: >>53540030 >>53540057

>53540010
>If I deflect I won't need to actually reply
I accept your concession

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:41:56 No.53540022 Report

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>>53539505
I learned that Golduck can't learn psychic in Gen 2 which is so weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:43:03 No.53540030 Report

Quoted By: >>53540059

>>53540018
holy cope you're so scared you didn't even reply to him so he wouldn't get a notification and you could get the last word in

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:54:45 No.53540057 Report

Quoted By: >>53540066

>>53539977
>>53540003
>>53540018
>forgets quagsire
>gets called out
>backpedals like the coward they are
To answer your question, no, there's not a significant trainer that uses a quagsire. That still doesn't nullify what you initially proposed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:55:40 No.53540059 Report

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>>53540030
>so he wouldn't get a notification
>Zoomzoom can't read or interact unless theres a flashy sign telling them to.
Like pottery.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:57:30 No.53540065 Report

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>>53537962
>Imagine still using starters in current year

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 08:58:12 No.53540066 Report

Quoted By: >>53540071 >>53540086

>>53540057
You still didn't asses how is grass type useful in gen 2. Its not, thats why people don't choose chikorita as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 09:00:48 No.53540071 Report

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>>53540066
Moves like leech seed and sleep powder are very strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 09:08:15 No.53540086 Report

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>>53540066
Offensively, it's shit in Gen 2. Its main offensive pressure against Water/Rock/Ground is hardly utilized as it doesn't have a significant trainer tied with those typings. But in a supportive role, it's the best type there is. With access to multiple status conditions and healing moves, Grass types are perfectly usable in playthroughs without dragging the team down. Meganium even leans screens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 09:10:54 No.53540091 Report

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>>53538121
why would you want a grass type at all in Johto, aka the anti-grass region?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 09:12:11 No.53540095 Report

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>>53539194
in all fairness every single mon used in the ice gym is weak to grass as well as half of those used in the dragon one

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Anonymous Wed 29 Mar 2023 17:25:23 No.53541569 Report

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>>53539343
>sample
Your post was so close to being perfect Anon

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