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fix a pokemon stats

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 02:11:09 No.53672196 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>53672200 >>53672335 >>53672371 >>53672729 >>53672965 >>53673157 >>53673912 >>53674116 >>53674410 >>53674541 >>53674881 >>53676115 >>53676438 >>53676747 >>53680620

HP 80
ATK 115
DEF 90
SP ATK 50
SP DEF 80
SPE 105

there you go

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 02:12:13 No.53672199 Report

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flygon should be a mixed attacker imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 02:12:38 No.53672200 Report

Quoted By: >>53672202 >>53673886

>>53672196
>just min-max their stats, lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 02:13:38 No.53672202 Report

Quoted By: >>53672301

>>53672200
yup just do that and you have a better mon incredible right?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 02:45:55 No.53672301 Report

Quoted By: >>53673135

>>53672202
No, often times it significantly reduces the utility of a monster and makes it far more pigeonholed when trying to actually use it.
Flygon has a great movepool and a good ability to use a wide variety of sets for coverage and utility.
Another of a similar type would be Nidoking.

All you've done is try and force it into being Garchomp.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 02:53:47 No.53672335 Report

Quoted By: >>53672965

>>53672196
>Earth Power and Draco
>Bug Buzz
>Giga Drain
>Fire Blast
>Boomburst
I’d give it 20 points to it’s special attack and Quiver Dance. Flygon has a great special movepool

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 03:02:41 No.53672371 Report

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>>53672196
I love this guy so much. His stats are so shit tho

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 03:34:24 No.53672526 Report

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HP 225
ATK 140
DEF 110
SP ATK 70
SP DEF 180
SPE 5

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 04:17:12 No.53672729 Report

Quoted By: >>53672965

>>53672196
Nah.
The problem is the ability.
Levitate might as well be a placeholder.

Needs a signature abillity.
>Desert spirit
User is airborne.
When attacking with a Ground type move whips up a sandstorm.

Then give it Quiverdance.
With either dance move it boosts to become a decent threat and can set up sandstorm as a Uturn user.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 05:32:08 No.53672965 Report

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>>53672196
>min-maxed garbage
>doesn’t do anything for it anyways

>>53672335
>quiver dance sweeper with 100 spa

>>53672729
>Levitate might as well be a placeholder.
>proceeds to give it levitate but also sets up sandstorm(not even automatically)
>also slap on quiver dance for some reason

this board is so ass at balancing

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:11:19 No.53673098 Report

Quoted By: >>53673140 >>53673160

EVERY SINGLE POKEMON BUFFS
>my ZU shitmon HAS to become viable(fucking broken) in OU! UU? RU? Aren't those for shitmons???
>min-maxed offensive stats
>100+ speed
>every mon with sub-450bst gets 80+ to bst to make it 520bst minimum for no reason
>every mon with bst in 500's gets buffed to 550+ for no reason
>if starter give it 535 bst instead of 530
>gains access to every single coverage (+knock and u-turn if physical) (Wooper can ice punch so it makes sense to give Ledian Close Combat, Headlong Rush and Dragon Ascent!)
>bonus points if giving the mon a snowflake ability instead of buffing preexisting one or giving it new one that's thematically fitting (+EXTRA bonus points if the ability has multiple parts)

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:18:43 No.53673115 Report

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>Gains Levitate

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:25:59 No.53673132 Report

Quoted By: >>53673143

>Generates strange radio signals. It raises the temperature by 3.6F degrees within 3,300 feet.
>The Magnemite are united by a magnetism so powerful, it dries all moisture in its vicinities.
unironically give it heat wave or overheat as well

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:26:52 No.53673135 Report

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>>53672301
Yeah, I feel like all Flygon needs for improvements without a Mega is 10 extra SpA and both Sand Stream and Sheer Force as extra abilities. Hell, all the other Levitate mons that only have that as their 1 ability should get extra abilities if Weezing and Bronzong are allowed to. Give Hydreigon Berserk or Mega Launcher already, Claydol Magic Guard, Rotom Prankster, Eelektross Swift Swim or Transistor, you get the point. Hell, Eelektross with Transistor would probably become a solid UU or even OU mon considering it has better attacking stats, a shitload of coverage and much better bulk than Regieleki despite having piss poor speed.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:28:00 No.53673140 Report

Quoted By: >>53673949 >>53674506

>>53673098
>my ZU shitmon HAS to become viable(fucking broken) in OU! UU? RU? Aren't those for shitmons???
Technically anything under OU would qualify as a “shitmon” since they’re only in the lower tiers because they aren’t good enough to be used enough in OU. Also “lower tiers” aren’t even a thing in the actual game
>min-maxed offensive stats
The EV system/Natures/and the phys/special split make mixed attackers obsolete unless they have bloated stats overall
>100+ speed
Speed is everything
>every mon with sub-450bst gets 80+ to bst to make it 520bst minimum for no reason
450 is far to low unless it’s distributed in the most optimal way, has a broken ability, or some othe lr special gimmick.
>every mon with bst in 500's gets buffed to 550+ for no reason
Sometimes that 500 is disturbed so pathetically that the stat buff is warranted
>if starter give it 535 bst instead of 530
Swampert gets to have 535 why not everyone else?
>gains access to every single coverage (+knock and u-turn if physical) (Wooper can ice punch so it makes sense to give Ledian Close Combat, Headlong Rush and Dragon Ascent!)
If game freak can give out illogical moves why not fans?
>bonus points if giving the mon a snowflake ability instead of buffing preexisting one or giving it new one that's thematically fitting (+EXTRA bonus points if the ability has multiple parts)
Ok this is a fair point, but considering game freak made Purifying Salt, you can’t exactly blame fans for emulating that

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:28:16 No.53673143 Report

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>>53673132
If they can give Revavroom Overheat, they can give Magnezone Heat Wave and Overheat.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:33:10 No.53673157 Report

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>>53672196
it should be a pseudo. Special attacker, Myrmeleon formicarius evolves from a slow strong physical attacker to a speedy fragile bug.
>HP 100
>ATK 30
>DEF 50
>SP AT 150
>SP DEF 130
>SPEED 140

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:33:38 No.53673160 Report

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>>53673098
Essentially while I understand the point of your post, the only reason fans feel the need to make their “bro” so overpowered is because that’s what Game Freak does with their shillmons. Pokémon’s meta is a unbalanced shitshow that only exists to make their precious shillmons look better while they point and laught at how worthless the shitmons are.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 06:44:35 No.53673200 Report

Quoted By: >>53675112

HP: 88
Attack: 94
Defense: 78
Sp. Atk:129
Sp. Def: 85
Speed: 120

third ability: Filter

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 10:53:07 No.53673880 Report

Quoted By: >>53673893 >>53674006

HP: 255
ATK: 190
DEF: 230
SP ATK: 194
SP DEF: 230
SPE: 200
How's this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 10:53:54 No.53673886 Report

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>>53672200
Yea, it's called buffing a shitmon

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 10:54:59 No.53673893 Report

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>>53673880
Too OP

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 10:59:55 No.53673912 Report

Quoted By: >>53675394

>>53672196
HP 50
ATK 110
DEF 110
SP ATK 110
SP DEF 110
SPE 110

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:13:41 No.53673949 Report

Quoted By: >>53674510

>>53673140
>all this cope
>most of it is wrong anyway
wow

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:28:49 No.53674003 Report

Quoted By: >>53674005

Of the three, only Zapdos actually feels strong, the other two are really underwhelming for being "legendary" pokemon. Especially Articuno since its Sp.Atk got cucked in gen 2. It has lower Sp.Atk than fucking Tangela.
They should all get a stat boost to 600BST, and maybe abilities to match their dex entries, but for now I'll just look at the stats
>Articuno
HP 90
Atk 95
Def 95
SpA 125
SpD 90
Spe 105
>Zapdos
HP 90
Atk 100
Def 85
SpA 125
SpD 85
Spe 115
>Moltres
HP 90
Atk 115
Def 80
SpA 125
SpD 80
Spe 110

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:30:04 No.53674005 Report

Quoted By: >>53674016

>>53674003
Flame Body and Static are pretty much perfect abilities for Zapdos & Moltres

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:30:48 No.53674006 Report

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>>53673880
Almost good enough, better give him Good As Gold to make up the difference.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:33:25 No.53674016 Report

Quoted By: >>53674018

>>53674005
I was thinking more about weather abilities since the dex mentions Articuno making it snow, Zapdos summoning thunderclouds and Moltres causing early spring.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:34:00 No.53674018 Report

Quoted By: >>53674023 >>53674063

>>53674016
Zapdos being able to set its own rain would be stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:36:34 No.53674023 Report

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>>53674018
Drizzle would be fucking dumb yes, but a more specific weather for electric types would be cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 11:49:55 No.53674063 Report

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>>53674018
Ability: Thunderstorm
Summons thunderclouds on switch in. During the storm, Thunder ignores accuracy checks, electric types hit by electric moves gain a Charged effect (+1 Sp.Def, 1.5x damage for electric moves.) until they switch out, and in doubles, electric moves will arc from the target after it hits, dealing chip damage to the target's ally.
Would this be too much? I think the Charged effect can make up for Zapdos not having something like Calm Mind to boost its damage, and can make for fun doubles shenanigans with Discharge. I specifically chose the Charged effect instead of Lightning Rod to prevent you from just boosting as much as you want in doubles.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 12:04:46 No.53674116 Report

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>>53672196
Butterfree
HP: 70
Attack: 70
Defense: 70
Sp. ATK: 90
Sp. DEF: 90
Speed: 90

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 13:35:23 No.53674410 Report

Quoted By: >>53675161

>>53672196
>Flygon
Mix Levitate with Sand Stream and Sand Force into a new ability.
Maybe tack on a +5 to Atk/SpA/Speed.
>Zapdos
Sheer force/Wind Power/Drizzle.
>Moltres
Make it a decently fast (base 100) physical attacker.
Regenerator/Magic Guard/Drought.
>Articuno
Redistribute to fast mixed frail attacker.
Technician/Magic bounce/Snow warning.

>Absol
Dark/Psychic.
Swap its Speed and SpA, maybe add some bulk (+15 to each defense).
Replace Pressure with Intimidate/Tough claws/Emergency exit.

>Seviper
Poison/Dragon
Sheer force/Regenerator/Infiltrator
+5 Atk/SpA +15 Hp/Def/SpD
Expand movepool a bit with Sacred Sword, Dragon rush etc.

>Zangoose
Poison heal/Tough claws/Defiant
+5Atk/Speed +15Hp/Def/SpD

>Aggron
Steel/Dragon
No Guard/Rock Head/Mirror Armour
Dragon rush added to movepool.
-20 Def +35 SpD +15Speed.

>Skarmory
Filter/Simple/Rock head
Since Corvi took its place making it a physical attacker works better.

>Steelix
Sheer Force/Mirror armour/Heavy Metal
+20Atk+35SpD
Give it Magnet rise

>Weavile
Moxie/Intimidate/Tough claws

>Houndoom
+10 Atk/Speed +35Def (on pair with Arcanine)
Flashfire/Intimidate/Strong Jaw

>Magcargo
Flame Body/Simple/Filter
+70 Speed (literal hotwheel)

>Luxray
Intimidate/Strong Jaw/Guts
Swap its SpA and Speed

>Thyplosion
Blaze/Flashfire/Drought
+1 Speed
Give it Earth Power and Energy ball
>Meganium
Overgrowth/Natural cure/Thick fat
Grass/Rock
>Sceptile
Overgrowth/Limber/Sharpness
Swap Atk/SpA Def/SpD
Give it most of the cutting moves aside from Bitterblade.
>Torterra
Grass/Rock
Overgrowth/Shell Armour/Rock Head
+10Hp
>Empoleon
Torrent/Swift swim/Defiant
-20SpD+20Atk+5Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:04:51 No.53674506 Report

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>>53673140
>Technically anything under OU would qualify as a “shitmon”
Thanks for starting with this. Saves me 20 seconds.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:06:15 No.53674510 Report

Quoted By: >>53674553

>>53673949
Name one thing wrong

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:14:27 No.53674541 Report

Quoted By: >>53674552 >>53674557 >>53674580 >>53674586

>>53672196
HP 10
ATK 255
DEF 10
SP ATK 10
SP DEF 10
SPE 255
haha guys get it. fair and ballanced loses to bullet punch
these threads are so fucking dumb. none of you know shit about balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:17:02 No.53674552 Report

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>>53674541
>none of you know shit about balance
minmaxing is cringe, but is it really any worse than Game Freak's idea of balance which solely consist of giveing CHARIZARD broken bullshit and using Johto as their personal punching bag.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:17:06 No.53674553 Report

Quoted By: >>53674862

>>53674510
Pokemom aren't OU because they aren't used enough. Them being good or not has nothing to do with that. Mixed attackers are not obsolete and lots of pokemon still run one special or physical move, you say 450 bst is far too low except in basically every situation, you think if one pokemon gets something every other pokemon should get it, and you think if someone else is retarded you should be allowed to be.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:18:42 No.53674557 Report

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>>53674541
>none of you know shit about balance.
oh yeah because gamefreak totally does right?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:24:09 No.53674580 Report

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>>53674541
retard

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 14:25:51 No.53674586 Report

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>>53674541
>"sarcastically" seething instead of showing everyone what good changes look like
kek

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 15:18:57 No.53674862 Report

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>>53674553
>Pokemom aren't OU because they aren't used enough. Them being good or not has nothing to do with that.
People pick what is powerful, you retard

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 15:22:11 No.53674881 Report

Quoted By: >>53675161

>>53672196
+30 sp. atk

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 16:11:45 No.53675112 Report

Quoted By: >>53675153

>>53673200
Why Filter?
Unless it's a bad joke ir something...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 16:22:51 No.53675153 Report

Quoted By: >>53675170

>>53675112
It's a bad joke obviously.
Good defensive types like Steel, Fairy and Normal are the only ones that benefit from it.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 16:23:48 No.53675161 Report

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>>53674410
>Pic Related
Solid Rock give immunity to Burn and Poison + reduces Damages from Double Weakness by 50%
-10 SpA +30 SpD +15 Atk
Give it Slack Off, Accelerock, Rapid Spin, Spikes and Fly
Rock Wrecker is now 120 Power/90 Accuracy and loses it's Recharge turn + it ignores Resistances

>>53674881
Give it Boomburst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 16:25:17 No.53675170 Report

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>>53675153
Was thinking of "LOL CHADizard filters Zoomers. Cope" as the bad joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 17:06:55 No.53675394 Report

Quoted By: >>53675421 >>53675557

>>53673912
Give Deoxys the ability to swap between forms like Aegislash can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 17:10:26 No.53675421 Report

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>>53675394
Nah, having dedicated forms is the better option. They just have to make Deo-N not a direct downgrade to Deo-A.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 17:32:12 No.53675557 Report

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>>53675394
Letting it change forms mid-fight would be kino

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 19:12:56 No.53676115 Report

Quoted By: >>53676191 >>53678702

>>53672196
>Design a cool mon
>Give it decent stats and moves for the time
>Introduce a better version of the mon just a generation after
>stronger, faster, tankier, and with a better movepool
>another generation, the better mon gets another cool ability, but the old mon is one of the very few who didn't get another ability
>RS games get a remake
Every other dragon from the generation gets a mega evolution
>even fucking Altaria gets a good mega
>Flygon doesn't get anything
>remain forever the inferior Garchomp
Is there another pokemon more cucked than Flygon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 19:30:02 No.53676191 Report

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>>53676115
>have a trainer related to mega evolution
>he has a flygon ace
>it holds a normal gem

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 19:41:19 No.53676257 Report

Quoted By: >>53676270

I got a couplefor some pokemon, but one that came to mind recently was make it so Fire pokemon can be burned, but not affected by it/buffed by it. Could also do the same with Poison, but not sure of the exact effects other than maybe a move type boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 19:44:23 No.53676270 Report

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>>53676257
swap its Speed and Special Defense too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 20:22:55 No.53676438 Report

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>>53672196
just switch its physical and special attack and bump up its speed 10 points so it's not just perpetually "garchomp but worse"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 21:24:43 No.53676747 Report

Quoted By: >>53676862

>>53672196
Fuck you, Flygon has a great special movepool and its ability to use it sets it apart from Garchomp, here are 3 changes that would dramatically buff Flygon and all make thematic sense for it other than just minmaxing its bst:

>1. Give it a 20 point increase to it's Special Attack
This is in line with past stat buffs and a 540 BST is perfectly fitting for a 3 stage line with a late evolution like Flygon, Garchomp and Metagross reach their final stages at the same level Flygon does, so this isn't jacking up it's BST to a ridiculous degree at all

>2. Give it Quiver Dance
Quiver Dance's name in Japanese can roughly be translated as Butterfly Dance, and mainly only moth/butterfly related pokemon get access to it, including mons like Volcarona. Flygon shares a lot of characteristics with butterflies, as do antlions irl, and it's in the bug egg group and gets bug moves like bug buzz, while also learning dance moves like dragon dance, I could completely see it getting this as an egg move for Trapinch, and even with it's boosted BST I do not see it being a completely broken OU monster, Volcarona, as mentioned previously, has a much higher special attack stat, and the same speed stat as Flygon, Volcarona is good, but it's not completely busted

>3. Give it a signature ability
This one is harder to justify because it would require a lot more effort than the other options imo, pokemon typically don't get their own signature abilities given to them in later gens, but stuff like Sharpness in gen 9 shows something similar can happen. I'd say a combo of Levitate + Sand Stream to reference it's pokedex entry would do a lot to make it stand out as a faster Sandstorm setter

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 21:48:39 No.53676862 Report

Quoted By: >>53677408

>>53676747
This sounds pretty good, would be really cool to see it as a special attacking counterpart to Garchomp instead of just a worse version of it.
>Levitate + Sand Stream
I really think Levitate should just be a built-in ability for all pokemon that are flying/floating, instead of an actual dedicated ability. Like how some RPGs have traits like Flight for all flying units.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Apr 2023 23:31:33 No.53677408 Report

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>>53676862
That's definitely what I think should happen, a lot of non flying type mons that levitate/fly can't have "real" abilities because Gamefreak has some sort of autism that triggers that's like "but then they wouldn't be floating/flying and they're always floating/flying so they NEED levitate!!!!" I think that's the next big mechanical "shake-up" pokemon should try that actually sticks around and isn't just a generational gimmick

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 04:10:03 No.53678702 Report

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>>53676115
Just give Flygon 10+ SpA and Sheer Force / Sand Stream as extra abilities. Boom, it’s now a better Sheer Force breaker than Nidoking and has a distinct niche to separate it from Garchomp

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 04:22:04 No.53678757 Report

Quoted By: >>53678779 >>53678996

>special attacker flygon
*yawn*

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 04:27:00 No.53678779 Report

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>>53678757
Well even if you gave it 10+ Atk and 10+ Spe it won’t make that much of a difference. I mean sure now it beats out Garchomp on Spe and has a decent Atk stat now but it still lacks power compared to Garchomp and the other Dragons and still only has average bulk.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 05:29:29 No.53678996 Report

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>>53678757
Flygon being a special attacker would set it apart from Garchomp.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:12:23 No.53680620 Report

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>>53672196
Not bad, might need to be a little faster

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