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>>53729610
There's something very satisfying in the fact that Gengar is 8th in usage in UU, Haunter is 8th in usage in PU, and Gastly in 8th in usage in ZU.
Also the absolute state of ZU imagine a tier where Sudowoodo is the most popular (probably) & key threats.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:14:38 No.53729654 Report

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>>53729610
>top 6 ubers are all paradox shit
>top 10 are all Gen 9

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:16:32 No.53729663 Report

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>>53729616
Because it's a physical attacker that can't be burned. That was gf's concession for making it ice type

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:19:05 No.53729668 Report

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>>53729654
>Game Freak actually cares about Gen 9 Pokémon enough to make them viable instead of kneecapping them to make KANTOOOOOOOOOO look better
Based

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:30:36 No.53729714 Report

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How exactly do Smogon's tiers work? Is it just a snapshot of what the tier looks like at the end of the month, or is it a culmination of that entire month?

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:34:44 No.53729736 Report

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>>53729608
Tinkatrannies seething at Corvichads

75 btw :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:36:35 No.53729746 Report

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Haven't kept up with the meta. Has Staraptor finally gotten out of BL hell?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:38:02 No.53729756 Report

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>>53729714
It’s cumulative measure of the usage stats for the whole month.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:39:22 No.53729763 Report

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>>53729746
Yup, it's finally dropped to UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:45:13 No.53729786 Report

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>>53729654
Well anon, let’s use our brains for a second.
>Ubers is usually legendaries and mythicals with a handful of busted regular Pokémon and a handful of regular Pokémon used for a specific niche
>Only box stat legends are the top two, Miraidon and Koraidon
>Only other legends are the Ruinous Pokémon
>Paradox Pokémon are near legendary stat-wise, so they help round out Ubers
>No mythicals yet
>Home still isn’t out yet
>DLC isn’t out yet
So I wonder why Ubers is nearly all Gen 9 (sub) legendaries????

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 16:48:03 No.53729802 Report

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>>53729608
By a... tread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 17:02:19 No.53729867 Report

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>>53729714
>greninja UU
holy fuck

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 17:03:17 No.53729872 Report

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>>53729867
The Protean nerf was devastating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 17:25:03 No.53729957 Report

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>>53729608
>tranny meta

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 18:36:05 No.53730285 Report

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>>53729610
Huh, Jugulis is doing way better than I thought.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 18:55:19 No.53730354 Report

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>>53729616
Bax can Tera and can’t be burned.
Also the options are worse Roaring Moon, worse Gholdengo, worse Great Tusk, and worse Garg.
It’s actually shocking how they made 4 Psuedos have a counterpart that is ultimately better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:00:18 No.53730381 Report

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>>53729654
What the fuck are you supposed to use? Home isn’t released yet, so the meta centers around the 2 box art legends and Flutter Mane.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:04:05 No.53730405 Report

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>>53729608
Don't you mean "by a tread"

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:04:52 No.53730408 Report

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>>53729957
/thread

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:07:12 No.53730421 Report

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>>53729610
The lawn ornament dominating in RU fills my heart with joy.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:08:02 No.53730428 Report

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>>53729608
wtf happened to Garchomp

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:08:05 No.53730429 Report

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>>53729616
it goes tera dragon to better spam its dragon move

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:08:30 No.53730432 Report

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>>53730428
It's literally only good for setting rocks.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:08:44 No.53730435 Report

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>>53730428
poor bastard fell off

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:11:42 No.53730445 Report

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>>53729867
Greninja’s attacking stats are mediocre for OU.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:13:23 No.53730453 Report

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>>53730428
>wtf happened to Garchomp
its not allowed to have DD and Scale Shot was also lost

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:18:07 No.53730468 Report

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>>53730428
The niche for offensive bulky Dragon type has been filled by at least four of the top ten slots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:20:27 No.53730479 Report

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>>53729867
Without getting STAB for every move, Greninja is Inteleon with a Dark secondary typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:26:04 No.53730499 Report

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>>53730428
No reason in using it for the roles it provides when better Pokemon exist
>Ground type attacker
Just use Great Tusk
>Hazard setter
Just use Glimmora
>Bulky hazard setter
Just use Ting-lu
>Set up sweeper
Just use various set up sweepers like Iron Valiant and Kingambit
>Want that set up sweeper to be Dragon
Dragonite, Dragapult, Bax, and Roaring Moon have you covered, all of which have Dragon Dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:26:10 No.53730500 Report

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>>53729610
wo-chizzy bros... we won

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:29:52 No.53730516 Report

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>>53729714
Smogon tiers shift every 3 months iirc, and if a mon doesn't have over 3.8% usage for the whole period it drops to the tier below.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:46:36 No.53730568 Report

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That TTar is not OU anymore utterly depresses me.
>Garchomp 27
Depressing as well.
Gen 9 was a mistake...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:54:05 No.53730597 Report

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>>53729608
>>53729610
Even after half of the Paradox Pokémon got banned, Great Tusk and Iron Valiant still have 24%+ representation in OU.
Flutter Mane, Great Tusk and Iron Treads in top 5 in Ubers.
Chien-Pao and Chi-Yu are #7 and #10 in Ubers after being banned to Ubers
Ting-Lu is #16 in OU and #9 in Ubers
Even Wo-Chien is #10 in UU
Ordinary Pokémon like Gholdengo, Kingambit, and Baxcalibur have broken signature abilities
Fucking power creep is real.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:55:10 No.53730605 Report

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>>53730568
Considering how hard it was nerfed and lack of sand abusers currently, it’s not hard to see why. And also because it’s entirely outclassed by Garganacl and hard countered by Great Tusk.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 19:55:36 No.53730609 Report

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>>53729608
>kingambit above gholdengo
wtf happened here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:07:25 No.53730656 Report

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>>53730428
It's not bad, just that as you can see, the tier is stacked with Ground types and dragon win conditions. Garchomp has its own niches with its main value being that its harder than read than most other ground types. It can be a win con, it can be a hazard setter bulky or not, it can even tap into its special attack pretty well to lure some mons.
>>53730609
Kingambit's broken and apparently next on Smogon's radar for a suspect. Very hard to OHKO with its 100/120/85 bulk, gets a free Choice Band boost for just playing the role of late game win condition, one of the most ambiguous tera users out there and could just 1v1 everything. Flying for Tusk/Valiant, Fire turns the most common Skeledirge and its Tera into setup fodder, Dark for absurd power on Sucker (+2 Fallen 5 Sucker OHKOs Meowscarada, has 81% chance to OHKO Roaring Moon, both from full)

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:11:12 No.53730677 Report

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>>53730568
TTar just isn't the same without Pursuit. Give it back ffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:22:55 No.53730725 Report

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>>53730656
I can totally see at least two other bans being necessary immediately after Kingambit goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:35:32 No.53730811 Report

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>>53729608
>>53729610
>Ground is #1 in OU, NU, and LC
>In every tier, there is at least 1 Ground type in the top 10 in usage
Is Ground the best type competitively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:44:02 No.53730865 Report

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>>53729608
How the fuck is Baxcallibur that high?
I swear Clodsire, Corv, Lu, Wake, Garg are a billion trillion times more used.
Is this 1000 elo kids using their in-game teams in low ladder or what?

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:46:36 No.53730882 Report

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>>53729714
>GRENIGGER UU
KWAB

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:51:02 No.53730904 Report

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>>53730811
It used to be bulky waters. Now it's all about bulky grounds.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:51:24 No.53730906 Report

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>>53730865
>Is this 1000 elo kids using their in-game teams in low ladder or what?
Can't be because usage only counts from 1695 elo up.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 20:54:57 No.53730924 Report

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>>53730811
No. Just too many busted shit weak to ground.
Kingambit, Dengo, Moth, Garg, Pex, Ace, Clod, Miraidon,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 21:09:22 No.53730994 Report

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>>53730924
So yes it’s a good type then?

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 21:12:09 No.53731017 Report

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>>53729616
>you told me ice type needed a buff...
Ice type did get a buff with the new snow, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 21:17:13 No.53731052 Report

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>>53730811
There's a lot of good ones this Gen, but yeah Ground has access to one of the best STABs in the game for decent offensive presence, weaknesses are all specially inclined which coincides with their design generally leaning towards physical bulk, and since Gen 5 the ability to cuck Volt Switch is invaluable, as is the immunity to Thunder Wave.
The current text isnt exactly brimming with these aforementioned specially oriented Grass/Water/Ice types either, in fact the only ones in OU are Walking Wake, Rotom Wash & Slowking.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:06:05 No.53731377 Report

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>>53729714
GRENIGGERBROS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:10:18 No.53731414 Report

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>>53729867
The true loser of the protean nerf.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:44:40 No.53731578 Report

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>>53729867
Carried by protean compared to the other two that are actually good

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:45:18 No.53731582 Report

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>>53729608
why is dragonite good now

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:47:17 No.53731589 Report

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>>53731582
1. click tera normal extreme speed
2. win

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:48:16 No.53731593 Report

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>>53731582
9 Generations of accumulated buffs due to GenWun Privilege

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:50:32 No.53731602 Report

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>>53729610
So weird, on paper Scovillian seems pretty strong dependent on sun but strong thought it would be solid RU or at least NU. I suppose this is what having no drought mons in low tiers and gamefreak introducing like 10 protosynthesis pokemon does to a sun sweeper

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:51:58 No.53731610 Report

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>>53731582
>DD sweeping
>Boots to disregard Pebbles
>Tera Normal ESpeed or Tera in general to stack on Multiscale

& It just got Encore, Dnitechuds eating good this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 22:55:25 No.53731635 Report

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>>53731610
The threat of it also make its lure sets work really well, with its workable special offense. Stuff like Corviknight, Balloon Gholdengo, Dondozo or Skeledirge you can just surprise with that or a Choice Band set. It's what pushes it slightly over Roaring Moon i'd say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 23:00:16 No.53731649 Report

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>>53731635
>slightly
Better bull, better movepool, better ability.
Kys retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 23:01:18 No.53731654 Report

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>>53731649
Meant bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 23:10:55 No.53731711 Report

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>>53731649
Roaring Moon as a few things over it. Different counters for their win con set, a great speed tier that outspeeds Valiant, ties Cinderace (Good for avoiding being revenged by Booster Energy Valiant if you're Jolly Booster Energy, non BE sets still outspeed other Valiant sets if it's CB)
With prepared teams they're closer in viability than what it would seem, but against unprepared ones or anyone fucking around I'd agree Dragonite is the bigger hassle.

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Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 23:42:46 No.53731883 Report

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>>53729610
>Ubers
>Lower Tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 00:26:39 No.53732128 Report

Quoted By: >>53732219 >>53732965

>>53729867
protean and battle bond nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 00:41:48 No.53732219 Report

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>>53732128
Battle Bond isn't even available.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:09:49 No.53732939 Report

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>>53729608
>let's slap pink spikes on donphan and call it a new pokemon!
>let's turn gardevoir into a robot and call it a new pokemon!
>let's turn volcarona into a robot and call it a new pokemon!
>let's turn donphan into a robot and call it a new pokemon!
>>53729610
let's slap feathers on misdreavus and call it a new pokemon!
>let's slap "hair" on magnetion and call it a new pokemon!
>let's tunr hydreigon into a robot and call it a new pokemon!
paradox mons were a huge mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:14:20 No.53732965 Report

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>>53732128
Battle Bond isn't even in the game, and honestly it might push Greninja back up to OU. +1 with 95/103 offenses is stronger than 145/153 offenses, and obviously has a huge speed advantage too. With Sword Dance, Greninja becomes an actually pretty big threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:17:33 No.53732980 Report

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>>53732965
It's only once per battle, so good luck if you get forced out or if one of the several Unaware mons come in right after.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:25:09 No.53733006 Report

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>>53732965
That shit is hardwalled by Clodsire, Dondozo or even certain Tera Skeledirges.
Maybe it'd be fine in Gen 8 where the extent of viable Unaware mons went as far as a meta-dependent blue salamander and a fat pink blob that'd rather be running another ability, but here it's stopped dead by three of the most prominent defensive glue mons in the tier entirely incidentally. It'd basically be pigeonholed into, not just late, but literal end-of-game sweeping.

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:30:43 No.53733023 Report

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>>53729608
Rest in piss

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:34:39 No.53733039 Report

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>>53732939
Isn't IV is more pic related? But yeah, i agree with you tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 03:36:11 No.53733044 Report

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>>53733039
more like

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 04:09:03 No.53733176 Report

Quoted By: >>53733215 >>53733417

>remember when niggas were arguing greninja was going to be good and better than meow after the absolute double gutting
>falls down to UU
Kek.

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 04:22:55 No.53733215 Report

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>>53733176
>Greninja will totally save Kalos's honor, trust the plan...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 05:40:02 No.53733417 Report

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>>53733176
Both Mewo and Cinderace are better than it and don't even need libero/protean to be very good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 06:28:18 No.53733556 Report

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>>53731883
It's a lesser tier in that it's not the primary format. Obviously Ubers pokemon are "stronger" (and this isn't to say OU isn't braindead) but it's literally just a little timmy tier where you go in to mash action figures together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 06:44:59 No.53733601 Report

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>>53730865
>How the fuck is Baxcallibur that high?
>Incredible attack stat
>fast enough to be a great user of DD
>Ice stab with Icicle crash and Ice shard
>Glaive Rush
>Bulky enough to withstand attacks
>Immune to willow wisp
Gee I wonder why

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 06:56:14 No.53733631 Report

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>>53729714
CACTURNE CHADS

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 07:43:04 No.53733768 Report

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>>53733631
his girlfriend is ecstatic

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 07:55:45 No.53733817 Report

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>>53733631
>Cacturne is better than CHARIZARD

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Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 11:06:07 No.53734206 Report

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>>53733215
I unironically think, chesnaught with traillblaze and bellydrum will be the best kalos starter, at least for now. I know shed tails is banned, but i was used this thing before shed tails and chesnaught was a wild beast

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 May 2023 17:04:18 No.53735563 Report

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>>53731654
More like mulk

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