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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:01:14 No.53833085 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>53833089 >>53833182 >>53833206 >>53833217 >>53834407 >>53835865

Why does Smogon hate him so much? Just ban Last Respects and be done with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:02:55 No.53833089 Report

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>>53833085
prease understand banning moves too hardo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:29:04 No.53833182 Report

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>>53833085
They will when Basculegion drops
Literally everyone knows it's the move and not the mons that deserve banning

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:36:21 No.53833206 Report

Quoted By: >>53833210 >>53840367

>>53833085
>ban Last Respects
Explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:37:37 No.53833210 Report

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>>53833206
You know how you banned Fissure, Sheer Cold, Guillotine, and Horn Drill? Just do that, but with Last Respects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:39:25 No.53833217 Report

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>>53833085
cute dog hehe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 07:02:25 No.53834407 Report

Quoted By: >>53834413

>>53833085
Just another case of Smogon being retarded, nothing new

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 07:03:57 No.53834413 Report

Quoted By: >>53839409

>>53834407
Last Respects is tied to the dog. Once Basculegion is released then the ban makes sense if that manages to fuck OU up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 07:45:06 No.53834542 Report

Quoted By: >>53835807 >>53840362

They don't ban signature moves because it sets a dangerous precedent of picking apart the broken aspects of any Pokemon and completely invalidates the tiering system. Basculegion currently gets Last Respects, but there's no 100% assurance of that until Home support is released. They already changed movesets and stats in the day 1 patch, what's to stop them from doing it in next week's patch as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 16:37:12 No.53835807 Report

Quoted By: >>53835821

>>53834542
...then they would unban Last Respects if trash like Unown got it? What's the issue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 16:41:01 No.53835821 Report

Quoted By: >>53836293 >>53840371

>>53835807
nta but there's a weird argument that the best way to explain it is like "well if houndstone is balanced for OU if it loses last respects, can we bring down chi-yu if it only uses ember, can we bring down annihilape if it doesn't use rage fist, can we bring down iron bundle if it doesn't run freeze dry", opens the door for weird shit like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 16:51:11 No.53835847 Report

Quoted By: >>53835857 >>53837087

White Stripe Basculin learns Last Respects too
Will it be broken with that move or will they ban Basculegion instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 16:54:15 No.53835857 Report

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>>53835847
It's the fastest Last Respects user, and can become a ghost-type to boost it even further with Adaptability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 16:56:44 No.53835865 Report

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>>53833085
I don't even get why they threw a shitfit about this mon, it's so gimmicky it's like bitching about double dance lando

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 18:18:06 No.53836293 Report

Quoted By: >>53836983

>>53835821
Sounds just like typical slippery slope fallacy that doesn’t really apply and is only autism.
Last Respects is 1 move and is clearly broken. It’s even banned in STABmons because obviously having a 200-300 BP move with only drawback being “Literally playing the game naturally to a certain point” is overpowered. It’s very different to ban Last Respects entirely than to ban Flamethrower or ban Chi-yu+Flamethrower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 19:27:34 No.53836566 Report

Quoted By: >>53837112

>bans shed tail, double team, baton pass, etc.
>NOOOO WE HAVE TO 3 YEARS BEFORE WE LET YOU USE HOUNDOOM THINK IF THE LE HECKIN PRECEDENT !!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 20:54:52 No.53836983 Report

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>>53836293
yeah, i'm not saying it's a good argument, it's just the argument smog has put out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:08:45 No.53837037 Report

Quoted By: >>53837058

Smogon will ban Last Respects, but refuse to admit U-turn moves ruined singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:13:56 No.53837058 Report

Quoted By: >>53837115

>>53837037
i havent been playing comp enough to know any formats without pivot moves so it's kinda just the norm for my brain - what makes them broken and worsening of singles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:18:43 No.53837087 Report

Quoted By: >>53837107

>>53835847
The philosophy is that at least 2 Pokemon need to be broken with an Item/Ability/Move in order for it that Item/Ability/Move to be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:23:37 No.53837107 Report

Quoted By: >>53837123 >>53837286

>>53837087
Tell that to outrage, draco, stealth rock, and scald.

Honestly, I'm sick of the "But [insert shitmon here] still sucks with it!" defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:24:18 No.53837112 Report

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>>53836566
>Houndoom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:24:42 No.53837115 Report

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>>53837058
Pivoting is already strong in Singles, Pivoting with damage is even stronger as it breaks sashes etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:25:43 No.53837123 Report

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>>53837107
Scald was always hilarious how they tried to justify a 30% Burn rate on an attacking move.

Like at that point it's basically Will-o-Wisp with extra damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:01:28 No.53837286 Report

Quoted By: >>53837427

>>53837107
All moves besides Scald were fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:28:20 No.53837427 Report

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>>53837286
>sky high power + accuracy dragon moves and sneaky pebbles were fine
Fairy type and the defog buff were made for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 08:21:00 No.53839409 Report

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>>53834413
>if
It's not an if, last respects are gamebreaking in 6v6 meta. Hell, they are op even in 3v3 meta.

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 08:24:33 No.53839418 Report

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>omgon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:06:47 No.53840362 Report

Quoted By: >>53840370

>>53834542
>They don't ban signature moves because it sets a dangerous precedent of picking apart the broken aspects of any Pokemon and completely invalidates the tiering system.
The "we don't like complex bans" rule flew out the window in gen 5 with Swift Swim + Drizzle. They should just full commit to complex bans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:08:04 No.53840367 Report

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>>53833206
>300 bp move

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:08:36 No.53840370 Report

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>>53840362
>They should just full commit to complex bans.
No, they shouldn't. Because you can nitpick any Pokemon down to the bare essentials and make every tier identical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:09:09 No.53840371 Report

Quoted By: >>53840382 >>53840410 >>53840481 >>53840721

>>53835821
Why is baton pass banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:12:25 No.53840382 Report

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>>53840371
It was given a half dozen chances with various restrictions, and all of them became cancerous matchup checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:18:25 No.53840410 Report

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>>53840371
baton pass teams are basically the cheapies of smogon
they win or lose instantly based on what the opponent is, instead of what the opponent does

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:42:08 No.53840481 Report

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This anon >>53840371 is on a holy mission. His mission is to make all smogtards kill themselves. Let him be blessed. Amen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 16:46:35 No.53840721 Report

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>>53840371
smogies refused to adept

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