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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:25:33 No.53837121 View View Reply Original Report

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what is the lore behind these exactly? why aren't they massed produced? It feels like in some games you're supposed to feel special because you were given a Pokedex, but it really isn't all that high-tech piece of technology in the grand scheme of things.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:34:43 No.53837168 Report

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>>53837121
In the original games Oak acts like they're something he made himself after years of research. Even in GSC, Elm doesn't give you one, but Oak does in a chance encounter with him. It's implied that it's a unique technology that only a select few have, and you are a key part of collecting the info it needs.

From RS onward however, every professor gives you one, and it's not really a big deal, just a simple tool to keep track of what you've seen and caught.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:51:50 No.53837251 Report

Quoted By: >>53837287 >>53838172

Originally it was a new experimental invention and culmination of Oak's work and research, and he gave it to you to test it out in the wild which is why you're out on an adventure in the first place
Gen 3 really is the moment when Pokemon got a much more standardized cookie cutter formula that they started repeating every gen, along with influence from the anime. But on the other hand, I can't imagine being a trainer without having one of your own.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:55:20 No.53837265 Report

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>>53837121
>Piece of tech is exclusive at first
>Then become widespread
>Now it's done by a phone app

It's one of the few areas where pokemon lined up perfectly to the real world

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 21:56:49 No.53837269 Report

Quoted By: >>53837293 >>53840588

>>53837168
The same thing happened with starter Pokemon. In the context of the original games, Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle just happened to be the last three Pokemon Oak had left. Then every region gives out a specific set of Grass/Fire/Water starters. Then the anime adds onto that by showing that the starters Professors give away are bred at special facilities and that as soon as one is given away, the facility sends another one.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:01:32 No.53837287 Report

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>>53837251
A lot of early gen 1 stuff got heavily retconned out. Gen 1 "trainers" didn't have any need for a Pokedex because they mostly just had two Pokemon and battled their neighbours for fun. The league was literally established just as the games started, which is why you see an email about it on Oak's computer.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:03:27 No.53837293 Report

Quoted By: >>53837385 >>53838180 >>53838190

>>53837269
It shows you they got creatively bankrupt pretty early, and how much everything os depended on a paint by the colors method copying what was meant to be unique in Gen 1.
Originally they planned Oak to be the final boss of red and blue, but didn't have enough time memory to fully put him in. With just a tinier different circumstance, in another timeline we would be expecting to battle our professors at the end of every new game.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:19:19 No.53837385 Report

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>>53837293
>but didn't have enough time memory to fully put him in
That's not true, his trainer data is still there in the final game.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:25:42 No.53837415 Report

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In the anime and manga Officer Jenny seems to recognize them as a common device and uses it when she needs to ID Ash. This implies that many trainers carry Pokédex and use them as identification devices

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:26:22 No.53837419 Report

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>>53837121
I like to think they collect data from pokemon seen and catch, the info it gives you isn't unique or anything it is just there to gamify a bit it's usage.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:29:27 No.53837430 Report

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>>53837121
>why aren't they massed produced?
They are
Only Specialtards think they aren't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:33:55 No.53837449 Report

Quoted By: >>53838539

I like to think Red and Blue got to beta test them early since they are both good friends of Prof Oak, and by the time Ash and the others start their journey 1.0 was released publicly and is essentially a requirement for all new trainers

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:36:03 No.53837460 Report

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>but it really isn't all that high-tech piece of technology in the grand scheme of things
It still manages to scan information from the rarest and most mysterious pokemon, that's something to write home about. The first gen pokedex also kinda resembles a PDA which was impressive for the late 90s
The last time I felt impressed was gen 4's since it felt like my own DS was a pokedex

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:37:20 No.53837467 Report

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>>53837385
Fully, and I meant to add or between time and memory. He still isn't in the main game and that's still something that could've become part of the pokemon formula

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:37:49 No.53837468 Report

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>>53837121
>why aren't they massed produced?
they are mass produced. there are plenty of NPCs who mention having pokedexes.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:48:08 No.53837531 Report

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>>53837468
But do they do that in Gen 1

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:51:30 No.53837550 Report

Quoted By: >>53837552 >>53838478

What is inside the G.S Ball?
No it’s not Celebi.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:51:55 No.53837552 Report

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>>53837550
dick in a ball

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 23:00:46 No.53837587 Report

Quoted By: >>53837605 >>53838187 >>53838568 >>53838684 >>53841539

*ruins the concept forever*

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 23:04:03 No.53837605 Report

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>>53837587
What the fuck is that thing?

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 23:11:49 No.53837640 Report

Quoted By: >>53841539

>>53837605
You're new pokedex for several gens, and pokemons forced attempt to copy yokai watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 00:29:53 No.53837979 Report

Quoted By: >>53838121 >>53839642 >>53842101

What happened to all that hissui dex info, did Oak just fucking forget it and reinvent the wheel

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:09:04 No.53838121 Report

Quoted By: >>53843047 >>53843084

>>53837979
i mean the inner workings of the pokedex has always been strange
who is inputting the info? does the device do it itself? you'd think by now some of this info is just like, common knowledge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:21:08 No.53838172 Report

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>>53837251
>along with influence from the anime.
the anime trivialized the pokedex as a whole, since you can use as an ID because they are registered under your name

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:22:32 No.53838179 Report

Quoted By: >>53838181 >>53838360

How does Cynthia saying she had one as a kid fit into the timeline?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:22:45 No.53838180 Report

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>>53837293
>in another timeline we would be expecting to battle our professors at the end of every new game.
so basically gen 7 would be the first to add a proper champion, ironic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:23:06 No.53838181 Report

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>>53838179
Cynthia is 18 confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:24:18 No.53838187 Report

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>>53837587
>still has an abysmal movepoll

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 01:25:22 No.53838190 Report

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>>53837293
>With just a tinier different circumstance, in another timeline we would be expecting to battle our professors at the end of every new game.
You're exaggerating. It's like expecting every rival to be the champion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 02:07:11 No.53838360 Report

Quoted By: >>53838444

>>53838179
There's so much retconning and pokemon still evolving into what it became today that it just not worth taking 100% seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 02:30:57 No.53838444 Report

Quoted By: >>53838689

>>53838360
Nintendo and the others stopped caring about lore consistency when they realized Pokemon would be golden goose that prints infinite money so long as you add new content every year
So day one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 02:40:46 No.53838478 Report

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>>53837550
Shiny forms of the 3 original pokemon that got reincarnated into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 02:57:38 No.53838539 Report

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>>53837449
The Pokedex is on Handy 505 OS by the time the player gets it.

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:01:27 No.53838550 Report

Quoted By: >>53838724

Interestingly, DPPt's pokedex offers the most information of all models.

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:05:15 No.53838568 Report

Quoted By: >>53841539

>>53837587
It's funny to me how the manga is still doing the "Pokedex Holders are special" thing when the Pokedex is nothing but a phone app now.

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:09:28 No.53838592 Report

Quoted By: >>53838607

The HGSS, BW, and B2W2 Pokedexes are the only models to have more than one design.
These are determined by the player's sex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:13:08 No.53838606 Report

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SEX SEX DID SOMEBODY SAY SEX SEXO WITH POKEDEX SEX

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:13:22 No.53838607 Report

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>>53838592
the HGSS Pokedex is my second favorite model, but I love how sleek the Unovan model is.
It also has my favorite UI, which is evocative of the original version (on purpose) while scrolling through entries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:32:27 No.53838684 Report

Quoted By: >>53842101

>>53837587
>doesn't have a pokedex battle form
>doesn't have a drone battle form
>can canonically possess both

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:34:21 No.53838689 Report

Quoted By: >>53840629

>>53838444
Nintendo never cared about consistency, it's why Mario is like a cartoon character and people argued about a Zelda timeline for decades
I don't think Japan cares much about canon on general but that's just my observation. Hell, using "canon" for fiction wasn't a thing before Star Wars

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:43:42 No.53838724 Report

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>>53838550
all of this information, and Prof. Furfux continues to lobby for 'vaginal depth and tightness' to his region's Pokedex.
what an odd lad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:47:40 No.53838732 Report

Quoted By: >>53838746

Only thing I'm settling for is that Professor Oak pioneered it and it eventually became a more commercial product seen as essential in later gen
I kinda wonder how it actually scans and gathers info

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 03:55:40 No.53838746 Report

Quoted By: >>53840459

>>53838732
You are Prof. Anon of the Kanto Region
Imagine dusting off the first pokedex from the Hisui region.
You read the entry for Voltorb, and then look at your Voltorb. The entry doesn't seem right.
A colleague in Galar sends you their findings on Ponyta so that you compare.
Again... No mention of flames?
Wtf?
As a scientist, it appears that Pokemon can seemingly change drastically for no good reason. Science isn't just collecting and hoarding data, it's also constantly rechecking and remeasuring said data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 10:14:13 No.53839593 Report

Quoted By: >>53839615 >>53840681

>>53837121
I never really got how in Gen 1 there's a lot of talk in the in-game dialogue about it having a lot of "pages" etc., implying it looks more like a physical book (and even the overworld sprite looks like a book), but then literally every depiction of it I'm aware of, like anime/manga/official game art shows it looking like some high-tech device where you're obviously seeing all the info on a screen.

I guess they could've meant pages in the same sense as, like, a web page or Wikipedia page etc., but I wonder if it's something that was an idea during development that just never really got depicted in the art. I played Gen 1 in Japanese recently and I think that was in there too, so not just a weird translation thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 10:31:20 No.53839615 Report

Quoted By: >>53839617

>>53839593
Internet also has web pages (another word for "website") and it's not a book, duderino

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 10:32:11 No.53839617 Report

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>>53839615
Yeah I said that. It's definitely possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 10:46:05 No.53839642 Report

Quoted By: >>53840476

>>53837979
Oak was never born in the Hisuiverse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 10:50:41 No.53839650 Report

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>>53837121
>why aren't they massed produced?
I thought it was listed somewhere that they are extremely expensive and only top pokemon researchers have them. They are so expensive and valuable, several villainous teams wanted to steal them. But once RotomPhone entered the market, it is no longer the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 10:56:42 No.53839658 Report

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Personally, I am really interested in the laptop of that kid with the Scizor in Johto. It could detect and analyze how strong a move or the pokemon infront of its camera is.
Sounds busted and very useful and reliable way to train your pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:31:30 No.53840459 Report

Quoted By: >>53840804

>>53838746
I also imagine pokemon people to have borderline been cavemen so that's shy they barely know what's going on two fucking regions over

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 15:39:10 No.53840476 Report

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>>53839642
Arceus fucked up the timeline, AGAIN!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 16:12:48 No.53840588 Report

Quoted By: >>53840681

>>53837269
In GSC starters are also treated as pretty special and player originally just borrows one to safely go to Mr.Pokemon's home. Only after Professor Oak giving player Pokedex, which according to Elm is pretty damn big deal because Oak is authority in seeing potential in trainers, player gets to keep starter permamently as their first Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 16:20:40 No.53840629 Report

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>>53838689
>I don't think Japan cares much about canon on general but that's just my observation
Yeah, they really don't. Most of the things people here complain about are from a lack of understanding of the mentality behind these games. And pokemon is even very consistent compared to other japanese franchises, its just that most people here just consume pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 16:34:27 No.53840681 Report

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>>53839593
>I never really got how in Gen 1 there's a lot of talk in the in-game dialogue about it having a lot of "pages" etc., implying it looks more like a physical book (and even the overworld sprite looks like a book)
Given the nature of gen 1's development it's entirely possible that at one point the Pokedex was indeed meant to be a physical encyclopedia with paper pages and the book sprites you see in-game are a leftover from that time and were simply never updated.
>>53840588
Prof. Elm is a limp-wristed cuck who couldn't stop an 11-year old from breaking into his house and stealing his shit before waltzing off. At least in Special Silver sneaks in on some heist shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 17:12:55 No.53840804 Report

Quoted By: >>53841800

>>53840459
That's clearly not the case. They know about other regions. They have access to the internet. Traveling between regions is easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:01:48 No.53841539 Report

Quoted By: >>53841849

>>53838568
It's so funny how the Adventures manga specifically got ULTRA cucked on this aspect because the whole OMG LE POKEDEX HOLDERS?!?! :OOOO was a huge distinction for the main cast, but by gen 8 and *especially* 9, there's literally no way around it being commonplace now.

>>53837587
>>53837640
In gen7, the Rotomdex was a one-only thing, but I hate how gen8/9 soullessly copied it without thinking of how awful mass-producing Rotom [machine] damages the very world building of Pokemon. A pokemon is now a literal tool, that after gen7 doesn't even speak and exists for convenience only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:59:25 No.53841800 Report

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>>53840804
I don't give a shit though, I have no respect for canon on this franchise after gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:11:32 No.53841849 Report

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>>53841539
Gen 8 rotomdexes I think are just there out of not wanting to design a new Pokedex
Smartphones really cucked a lot of franchises that had characters wielding special little devices

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:37:50 No.53841990 Report

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For me it's the Hoen dex

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:00:45 No.53842101 Report

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>>53837979
It's possible some or all of the notes were lost, there is a time traveler involved. The Hisui dex was recorded on paper, the Pokedex could be taking more involved measurements and for digitizing the information.

>>53838684
Here's hoping Scarlet and Violet letting you use your motorcycle in battle will pave the way for a battle Rotom-dex.

Of course, that's wishful thinking, Gamefreak won't even remember that feature exists next gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 01:40:51 No.53843047 Report

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>>53838121
>who is inputting the info? does the device do it itself?
I think it can just scan and analyze a pokemon right in front of it. How it gets all that folklore and stuff though I don't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 01:51:01 No.53843084 Report

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>>53838121
I feel its an abstraction of the process of learning. Its not that Red catches a weedle and the dex has every info, but Red observes it, gathers folklore info and eventually writes it down as the entry. But its not something you can really replicate well in games.
PLA just gamifies that so you get the entry after doing some shit after.

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