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JOHTO GYM LEADERS

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:10:28 No.53841589 View View Reply Original Report

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>Fix'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:11:34 No.53841597 Report

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why is pryce easier than bugsy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:12:41 No.53841603 Report

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>>53841589
>DUDE JUST SPOIL ALL THE POKEMON LMAO I DONT WANT TO DISCOVER POKEMON FOR MYSELF I JUST WANT TO WATCH NPCS USE THEM
why are unova zoomers like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:15:27 No.53841620 Report

Quoted By: >>53841628 >>53841635 >>53841639

>>53841589
Why keep Clefairy if you're going to change most of them to Johto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:17:34 No.53841628 Report

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>>53841620
This. I would have suggested maybe Smeargle of at least Furret.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:19:10 No.53841635 Report

Quoted By: >>53841738

>>53841620
Whitney's team is fine. Clefairy is an iconic normal type. Whitney's gym is shaped like a clefairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:19:11 No.53841636 Report

Quoted By: >>53841763

>>53841589
I like the addition of Marowak, but not the addition of Lapras. Too far of a stretch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:19:28 No.53841639 Report

Quoted By: >>53841738

>>53841589
I like the off type choices like Murkrow, Marowak and Lapras

I'd give Chuck Primeape back mainly because him having only two Pokemon never made sense and Primeape is like the one Gen 1 Pokemon the never gets to be on teams.

>>53841620
Her gym is literally a Clefairy, makes no sense to remove it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:23:14 No.53841651 Report

Quoted By: >>53841662

>>53841603
There should be a rational amount to spoil to make gym leaders look good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:26:29 No.53841662 Report

Quoted By: >>53841672

>>53841651
How does using new Pokemon make gym leaders look good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:27:36 No.53841672 Report

Quoted By: >>53841697 >>53841734

>>53841662
It should they have rare and unique pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:31:29 No.53841697 Report

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>>53841672
It shows*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:40:11 No.53841732 Report

Quoted By: >>53841741 >>53842491

>>53841603
>Geodude spoiled
>Onix spoiled
>Staryu spoiled
>Starmie spoiled
>Voltorb spoiled
>Tangela spoiled
>Koffing spoiled
>Weezing spoiled
>Muk spoiled

We're allowed to 9 spoils because gen 1 did as many or more

>Shuckle, Heracross, Miltank, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Hitmontop, Steelix, Delibird, Piloswine

same number, but you didn't know that you retaded ZOOMZOOM idiot who didn't even play gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:40:57 No.53841734 Report

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>>53841672
How does that make them look better?

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:41:29 No.53841738 Report

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>>53841639
>>53841635
aye.
except that not even GameFreak recognize it sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:42:31 No.53841741 Report

Quoted By: >>53841754

>>53841732
Gen 1 has 50% more Pokemon than Gen 2, dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:44:12 No.53841745 Report

Quoted By: >>53841765

>>53841734
>Johto redesign hater
>brain damaged
like a clock

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:46:34 No.53841754 Report

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>>53841741
>Sandshrew in Pewter Gym
>Horsea, Shellder and Goldeen in Cerulean Gym
>Magnemite in Vermilion Gym
>Exeggcute in Celadon Gym

cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:48:41 No.53841763 Report

Quoted By: >>53842454

>>53841636
Claire's team has a "sea serpent theme"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:48:59 No.53841765 Report

Quoted By: >>53841769

>>53841745
>unova zoomer
>quickly runs out of arguments when his retard logic is questioned
like a clock

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 20:49:41 No.53841769 Report

Quoted By: >>53842031

>>53841765
Argument was stated, you just chose to ignore it. My argument still stands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:49:55 No.53842031 Report

Quoted By: >>53842082 >>53842141

>>53841769
You have no argument except "it looks cool because it looks cool"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:58:40 No.53842082 Report

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>>53842031
it does look cool though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:02:54 No.53842109 Report

Quoted By: >>53842135

>>53841589
Why are zoomers so bad at designing thematically fitting teams?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:06:47 No.53842135 Report

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>>53842109
You need to say more so we can judge if you can.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:08:00 No.53842141 Report

Quoted By: >>53842209

>>53842031
You will love this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:09:38 No.53842154 Report

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>>53841589
This is even worse because Johto Pokemon fucking SUCK

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:13:27 No.53842176 Report

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>53842154
>This is even worse because Johto Pokemon fucking SUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:19:42 No.53842209 Report

Quoted By: >>53842210

>>53842141
10/10, thank you for not spoiling anything <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:20:37 No.53842210 Report

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>>53842209
imagine if all the new pokemon were in kanto post game <333333

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:18:42 No.53842454 Report

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>>53841763
Lapras isn’t a serpent.

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr Mon 22 May 2023 23:20:23 No.53842468 Report

Quoted By: >>53842492

>>53841589
I like most of this but I think you should add a Hitmontop to Chuck's team, Bugsy's Scyther back to his team, and a Wobbuffet to Whitney's team. The way you fixed Clair's team is perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:27:55 No.53842491 Report

Quoted By: >>53844318

>>53841732
Genwun's design is suddenly good and something we should imitate now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:27:57 No.53842492 Report

Quoted By: >>53842771 >>53843320

>>53842468
>a Hitmontop to Chuck's team
assuming you mean Heracross

>a Wobbuffet to Whitney's team
why Wobbuffet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:28:22 No.53842493 Report

Quoted By: >>53842516 >>53843649

>>53841738
I can still see it on the bottom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:29:00 No.53842498 Report

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>>53841738
HG/SS is stealth soulless, people are just too distracted by following pokemon or are just zoomers who are unaware of all the details from the originals that were overlooked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:31:40 No.53842516 Report

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>>53842493
It's vaguely there but the shape is fucked up in spots like the protruding bit at the top and the way they decided to do multiple colours just ruins it. It looks like they somehow weren't aware of what it was supposed to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 23:51:42 No.53842609 Report

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>>53841589
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 00:11:11 No.53842712 Report

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>>53841589
Shuckle + Heracross is way too much for a second gym, I'd drop them for something like Ledian and/or Ariados
There's not much you can do for Morty considering ghost types.
Chuck should get Heracross or another fighting type like Machoke to fill out his team.
Rest are fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 00:15:21 No.53842731 Report

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>>53841603
it's not 1998 anymore grandpa, leakers and dataminers show off all the pokemon before release anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 00:21:31 No.53842771 Report

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>>53842492
Ignore the tripfag's blatherings. He is mentally ill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 00:25:19 No.53842787 Report

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The only one I ever really thought needed changing was Morty. It's just so weird that they filled the entire gym with only the gengar line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 02:29:51 No.53843178 Report

Quoted By: >>53843208

>>53841603
But Unova does the same thing as Gen 1, quite a few mons aren't used by important trainers. Feel free to point me to the leaders with Ferrothorn, Heatmor, Durant, Amolamola, or Mandibuzz if I'm wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 02:33:43 No.53843192 Report

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>>53841589
Okay, but the distribution of mons isn’t consistent. This is my gyms and caps

Falkner: Hoothoot, Pidgeotto LV 15
Bugsy: Yanma, Pineco, Scyther LV 20
Whitney: Clefairy, Furret, Miltank LV 24
Morty: Misdreavus, Haunter, Ariados, Gengar LV 30
Chuck: Machoke, Poliwrath, Primape, Heracross LV 35
Jasmine: Skarmory, Magneton, Forretress, Steelix LV 41
Pryce: Jynx, Lapras, Weavile, Mamoswine LV 46
Clair: Gyarados, Dragonair, Ampharos, Kingdra LV 50
Will: Jynx, Slowking, Espeon, Exeggutor, Girafarig LV 56
Koga: Qwilfish, Foretress, Electrode, Weezing, Crobat LV 57
Bruno: Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Donphan, Machamp LV 58
Karen: Vileplume, Honchkrow, Gengar, Umbreon, Houndoom LV 59
Lance: Gyarados, Charizard, Kangaskhan, Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Tyranitar LV 60

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 02:39:52 No.53843208 Report

Quoted By: >>53844322

>>53843178
And Gen 1 is generally accepted to be shit.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 02:55:22 No.53843265 Report

Quoted By: >>53843288 >>53843319

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 03:02:49 No.53843288 Report

Quoted By: >>53843309

>>53843265
remove c******** from Lance's team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 03:03:21 No.53843292 Report

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>>53841603
>100 New Pokemon
>8-16 of them showcased with important characters

Oh mY gOD sPOiL ThEm ALl!!!

Stfu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 03:07:37 No.53843309 Report

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>>53843288
who should i replace it with

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 03:09:38 No.53843317 Report

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>>53841603

Why are you retarded?

Falkner - Hoothoot - You see it before the gym
Bugsy - Spinarak/Ledyba - You see the before the gym
Morty - Misdreavus - Post game, no one uses it, is the only new Ghost type, no reason why he shouldn't get it.
Chuck - Hitmontop - You can get Tyrogue before the gym giving access to Hitmontop.
Jasmine - Pineco can be found before the gym, therefore Forrttress can be as well.
Pryce - You can find Sneasel and Delibird literally right after the gym.
Clair - 99% of the pokemon are seen before her gym.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 03:10:01 No.53843319 Report

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>>53843265
>gen 4 evos

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr Tue 23 May 2023 03:10:16 No.53843320 Report

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>>53842492
Wobbuffet because it's more frustrating to fight than a Miltank. Whitney's Miltank is overrated but...

Wobbuffet is FUCKING NIGHTMARISH to fight!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 05:09:01 No.53843649 Report

Quoted By: >>53843663

>>53842493
No. I mean Whitney didn't use her Whitney in Type Expert/World Leaders or Challenge the Champion Lance! in B2W2. If Clefairy is really iconic to Whitney like everyone says.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 05:14:18 No.53843663 Report

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>>53843649
*use her Clefairy

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr Tue 23 May 2023 05:20:02 No.53843677 Report

Quoted By: >>53845006 >>53845009

I seriously think Whitney should get a Wobbuffet. Sabrina had a Venomoth so it's not too much of a stretch. Besides, Wobbuffet looks more similar to a normal type than say for example Jigglypuff does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 09:54:03 No.53844318 Report

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>>53842491
>moving goalpost

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 09:55:54 No.53844322 Report

Quoted By: >>53844996

>>53843208
Nobody ever complained about it before

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 13:57:20 No.53844996 Report

Quoted By: >>53845063

>>53844322
I did

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 13:58:49 No.53845003 Report

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>>53841589
You've clearly done a good job balancing this, Falkner just needs a Lugia and you're all set

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:00:01 No.53845006 Report

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>>53843677
okay Chris-chan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:00:54 No.53845009 Report

Quoted By: >>53845058

>>53843677
Wobbuffet doesn't fit Whitney. give it to Chuck instead.

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr

Marioipod13 !!VK5RQYuo7rr Tue 23 May 2023 14:17:53 No.53845058 Report

Quoted By: >>53845077 >>53845093 >>53845322 >>53846148

>>53845009
Wobbuffet fits Whitney more than you might think. You know how MandJTV hates Miltank because of how frustrated it has made him during the battle with Whitney?

I have no problems with Whitney but I have had problems with Wobbuffet, and it's the only Johto Pokemon that I have ever had decent trouble fighting. Technically Brendan's Grovyle was hell to fight in Generation III but that's not a Generation II Pokemon. So Wobbuffet fits better with Whitney than Grovyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:18:54 No.53845063 Report

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>>53844996
congratulations

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:21:07 No.53845077 Report

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>>53845058
Please, continue...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:25:20 No.53845093 Report

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>>53845058
>you know how some random eceleb did something

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:26:07 No.53845097 Report

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>>53841603
You are a silly billy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:26:22 No.53845099 Report

Quoted By: >>53845531

>>53841589
No.
I didn't even look at it, because we've done this same thread numerous times and if I did an in-depth breakdown of your shit, you'd be shitting the board for weeks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:08:54 No.53845264 Report

Quoted By: >>53845537

>>53841589
>whitney, morty, and claire still have pokemon that arent their type
how is this a fix

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:20:15 No.53845322 Report

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>>53845058

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:38:00 No.53845394 Report

Quoted By: >>53845403 >>53845791 >>53845837

>>53841589
C'mon now. Absolutely zero reason for a gym past the second one to not go all out within their given typing or theme. The games are easy enough with shit movepools and AIs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:40:53 No.53845403 Report

Quoted By: >>53845443

>>53845394
>giving claire non dragon types
aye carumba

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:42:01 No.53845406 Report

Quoted By: >>53845443

>>53841589
>Shuckle by the 2nd gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:50:33 No.53845443 Report

Quoted By: >>53845468

>>53845403
Oh dear, what a catastrophe. Half of Lance's team are non-Dragon types, because there's not enough of them, so they had to go with "Dragon-like" instead.
>>53845406
I thought it was a bit too much, but for some reason didn't fix it in my version. It could be replaced with a Parasect, a Venomoth or Ledian and Ariados. It'd be a nightmare to take down with anything that can't poison it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 15:57:04 No.53845468 Report

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>>53845443
aye carumba

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 16:11:07 No.53845531 Report

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>>53845099
>if I did an in-depth breakdown of your shit, you'd be shitting the board for weeks.

Try me. You haven't even looked at it but you're already belly aching

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 16:12:22 No.53845537 Report

Quoted By: >>53846066

>>53845264
>whitney has pokemon that isn't her type

Uh oh. Zoomer alert!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 17:06:05 No.53845791 Report

Quoted By: >>53845837 >>53846421

>>53845394
While I was at it, I gave them post game teams for rematches. Unfortunately Claire pulled a Steven and was replaced by a Water-loving gay guy, since it's fucking annoying to try and do a Dragon themed team in Gen II. Similarly, Morty decided that "Spooky" is enough of a theme since actual Ghosts are rare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 17:17:35 No.53845837 Report

Quoted By: >>53847289

>>53845394
>>53845791
Oh and btw, while making these, I realized that every Gym leader in Johto has a typing theme that's effective against the next Gym, aside from Whitney, who's infamously unbalanced. This makes me think she was supposed to maybe be a Dark type leader, but it was scrapped in favor of making a Dark type E4 member, and they hastily replaced her with a Normal type team with a "too hard" Miltank in it. Was this commonly known? I was completely unaware until now.
Flying > Bug >"Dark" > Ghost > Fighting > Steel > Ice > Dragon.
Took me +20 years to realize.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:07:13 No.53846066 Report

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>>53845537
Clefairy was never not fairy.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:09:53 No.53846079 Report

Quoted By: >>53846154

Now Johto is truly fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:23:18 No.53846148 Report

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>>53845058
whitney isn't intelligent enough to use wobbuffet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:24:27 No.53846154 Report

Quoted By: >>53846421

>>53846079
>changing aces
>fairy type at normal gym
>3 pokemon at 5th gym and further
>4 pokemon at 8th gym
>onix at e4
fix that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:26:08 No.53846166 Report

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>>53841603
Gym Leaders aren’t as impressive once you see Pokemon they can use in the wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:52:21 No.53846303 Report

Quoted By: >>53846322 >>53846401

>>53841589
>Faulkner
Both Natu and Noctowl are ass. He was fine considering he's the first gym leader, but if you have to change him give him a Hoothoot and a Skarmory respectively, if you can't beat him with your starter you can go catch a Growlithe in the next route over

>Busy
Pineco is okay I guess but shuckle does literally nothing. Give him a butterfree and give heracross reversal much much earlier than it does now

>Whitney
Literally perfect, maybe give it a couple of the punch moves + metronome and attract

>Morty
He doesn't need four mons, and he definitely doesn't need a team that is half non-ghosts. Misdreavous, Haunter, And Gengar

>Chuck
Fighting types got fucked this gen. Give him a Machoke as well

>Jasmine
In the game she canonically just became a steel type gym leader because her Onix recently evolved so there's no reason to explain why she would have a fully built team of steel types at this point, it actually made sense for her to have weak steel types like Magnemite, maybe give her a rock type/another pokemon that evolves into a steel type like pineco with explosion to represent that

>Pryce
Ice types just suck when used by the opponent. Too frail and doesn't hit anything you would send in supereffectively. That being said his team is fittingly mediocre, but if I had to make a change I would swap out Delibird for a Sneasel with swords dance and slash. Also make his signature Pokemon a Jynx with lovely kiss and ice punch

>Claire
I never liked that "dragon" is more of a vague archetype than and actual type for dragon trainers. I don't think Lapras even qualifies as a dragon but otherwise this is fine. Give Gyrados and Kingdra outrage

Idk what your definition of fix is but you did a sloppy job. Faulkner is boring because both of those mons aren't even that interesting or challenging to fight unless you have a Chikorita. Bugsy, Morty, and Claire look tedious as fuck and Pryce puts me to sleep more than he actually does in-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:55:16 No.53846322 Report

Quoted By: >>53846350

>>53846303
>I don't think Lapras even qualifies as a dragon but otherwise this is fine
Iris uses it as a dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 18:59:25 No.53846350 Report

Quoted By: >>53846378 >>53846421 >>53846428

>>53846322
Even then, what does it do that Kingdra doesn't? It makes half of her team week to electric which is specifically resisted by dragon types. I wish that would have made Ampharos electric/dragon like in the beta, he would have fit very well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:04:07 No.53846378 Report

Quoted By: >>53846438

>>53846350
She already has Kingdra. Ice would be good against other dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:09:38 No.53846401 Report

Quoted By: >>53846428

>>53846303
>Skarmory
stopped reading there

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:13:50 No.53846421 Report

Quoted By: >>53846434 >>53846543

>>53846154
>changing aces
third versions chance aces all the time
>fairy type at normal gym
zoom zoom
>3 pokemon at 5th gym and further
wasn;t a problem when Unova and Kalos did it
>4 pokemon at 8th gym
which is more than Unova and Kalos
>onix at e4
wasn't a problem when KANTOOOOO did it

>>53846350
nta, but as long as half her team is still dragon it don't think its that much of a problem. If Bird Keeper Lance can have CHARIZARD, then Swimmer Clair can have Lapras

>I wish that would have made Ampharos electric/dragon like in the beta
I mean, nothing wrong with adding Ampharos in if its meant to be a dragon in lore, It takes care of the electric weakness problem

>>53845791
All good except CHARIZARD, Lance and Red already have one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:15:20 No.53846428 Report

Quoted By: >>53846437 >>53846438

>>53846350
>She already has Kingdra
That's my point, why just give her a worse Kingdra? What unique purpose does it have?

>>53846401
I don't see how it's any different from Brock's onyx, it's a single stage Pokemon with high stats for the point of the game that requires you to actually think about type matchups

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:16:13 No.53846434 Report

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>>53846421
>third versions chance aces all the time
johto is consistent
>zoom zoom
future proofing
>wasn;t a problem when Unova and Kalos did it
it's always a probem
>which is more than Unova and Kalos
it's always a probem
>wasn't a problem when KANTOOOOO did it
Onix was fully evolved then, now it's more pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:17:10 No.53846437 Report

Quoted By: >>53846513

>>53846428
A single stage Pokemon with a blatant weakness in it's low special attack I might add

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:17:15 No.53846438 Report

Quoted By: >>53846481

>>53846428
>>53846378

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:25:14 No.53846481 Report

Quoted By: >>53846496 >>53846527

>>53846438
Against your singular Dratini that is a shittier version of the extreme speed variant you can get immediately after? Her entire team already deals with them using her signature move dragon breath vs your twister with is a direct downgrade. Like I said, it doesn't really do anything and is redundant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:27:47 No.53846496 Report

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>>53846481
You can make an argument for a rest talk Lapras. It shows off a unique combination actually as a bulky buffer to wear you down before she sends out her gyarados. Although it constantly healing itself to full health would get old fast

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:31:27 No.53846513 Report

Quoted By: >>53846515

>>53846437
is it going to be using special moves?

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:32:39 No.53846515 Report

Quoted By: >>53846520

>>53846513
I meant special defense, that's my bad, I haven't been proof reading my posts

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:34:58 No.53846520 Report

Quoted By: >>53846570

>>53846515
70 special defense is not "a blatant weakness"

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:35:13 No.53846523 Report

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>>53841589
Not allowing the player to use healing items in battle would help a lot

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:36:42 No.53846527 Report

Quoted By: >>53846579

>>53846481
We're not giving her smogon team. Calm down. One Pokemon more will make her stronger no matter what.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:40:40 No.53846543 Report

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>>53846421
>All good except CHARIZARD, Lance and Red already have one
Sure. Swap it out for Dodrio or even Gligar. In latter case, Xatu and Gligar swaps places, I tried to put the weakest Pokémon of each team in the front, as the lowest level Pokémon of each team. Charizard would then be replaced by Pidgeot, I think.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:46:00 No.53846570 Report

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>>53846520
It kinda is compared to spamming scratch and it only being level 8. It would have a special defense stat of 18 at most and worst case scenario you can adjust the game to make mareep accessible before you beat the gym, Growlithe learns ember at level 9 which doesn't take that long. It's a perfectly reasonable challenge that can be easily worked around if you picked the grass starter that gets screwed over anyway in the flying type gym. Skarm's strongest move would be peck, so you can just wear it down with any effective special attack, but it will most likely take down one of your mons first. If I could I would revamp the gym entire and take away his access to mud-slap since that's the only issue I can see

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:47:32 No.53846579 Report

Quoted By: >>53846595 >>53846619

>>53846527
You missed my point entirely. I'm saying that it should do something to stand out and Kingdra does everything it does but better

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:51:15 No.53846595 Report

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>>53846579
If anyone disagrees then suggest what you can do to actually make it unique, her team has 0 issues with dragons and her Dragonair already uses ice beam, like I said, Lapras does nothing to stand out

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 19:56:56 No.53846619 Report

Quoted By: >>53846662

>>53846579
It doesn't. It's has different type learns different moves.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 20:04:18 No.53846662 Report

Quoted By: >>53846863

>>53846619
>Different type
That only adds more weaknesses to a type that it supposed to be highly resilient

>Learns different moves
Lapras and Kingdra's learnsets have drastic overlap and even then it doesn't cover anything that Dragonair and Kingdra don't. Difference is both of those are dragons and compliment Claire's overlyaggressive personality. Lapras is literally one of the friendliest Pokemon in the series

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 20:44:09 No.53846863 Report

Quoted By: >>53847254

>>53846662
Literally 0 sense in anything you write.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 21:53:04 No.53847254 Report

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>>53846863
>No valid argument

Maybe we should decide what a "fixed" team is then?

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 21:59:37 No.53847289 Report

Quoted By: >>53847383

>>53845837
The 3rd gym leader was never meant to be a Dark-type one. We have an entire development history to go off of.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:13:05 No.53847383 Report

Quoted By: >>53847393 >>53847446

>>53847289
Ah, I didn't even think about that possibility. Do you know where I could find the info regarding gym leaders during development? I checked a few online resources with information about the dev history but none mentioned anything about gyms.
Also, it is still quite a coincidence how every Gym type is effective against the next, aside from Whitney. The trend also curiously fits with E4: Psychic > Poison > Fighting > Fighting, but then stops with the Champion. I was thinking that maybe they originally had Lorelei in place of Karen, who would've fit the theme, but felt like they'd want more new Trainers with new types and decided to move the Dark type Gym from Goldenrod to E4 as Karen, and then just hastily threw together a Normal type gym. Well, neat detail anyway.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:14:45 No.53847393 Report

Quoted By: >>53847412

>>53847383
>E4: Psychic > Poison > Fighting > Dark is what I would've written if I wasn't mentally challenged.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:15:42 No.53847399 Report

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where's the 10% zygarde?

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:17:14 No.53847412 Report

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>>53847393
Same was in gen 1
Rock < Water < Electric < Grass < Poison < Psychic = Fire < Ground < Ice < Fighting < Ghost = Dragon

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:23:46 No.53847446 Report

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>>53847383
https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver
This entire page will have everything you need, specifically in the prototype section and you can find the earliest info in this 97 build of the game:
https://tcrf.net/Proto:Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver/Spaceworld_1997_Demo
Battles for later gyms weren't programmed in yet at this stage, so technically there's no way to know, I just find it unlikely. Also worth noting that in this build, Normal was 2x effective against Dark.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:29:31 No.53847475 Report

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Falkner: Hoothoot, Spearow, Pidgeotto.
Bugsy: Ledian, Ariados, Scyther.
Whitney: Clefairy, Aipom, Miltank.
Morty: Haunter, Umbreon, Girafarig, Gengar.
Chuck: Machoke, Primeape, Granbull, Poliwrath.
Jasmine: Magneton, Ampharos, Skarmory, Steelix.
Pryce: Dewgong, Piloswine, Slowking, Jynx.
Clair: Dragonair, Gyrados, Seadra, Feraligatr, Kingdra.

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 22:43:27 No.53847545 Report

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Are there any romhacks or patches for base GSC that rebalance the difficulty?

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