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>>53974839
The real question is why doesn’t it get play rough? They hand that shit out like candy to mammalian mons now due to its JP name referencing the type of play fighting that dogs and cats do, and thematically it fits Bewear the most because it’s oblivious to its affection being deadly.

But shit like Dragalge and Frosmoth get it instead?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 04:47:28 No.53975228 Report

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>>53974839
>Huge Power
>On a pokemon with 125 base attack
Hypothetically, if a pokemon had 255 base attack its maximum attack with full evs, ivs, and adamant nature would be 669.
Huge power Bewear maxes out at 766.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 05:38:19 No.53975394 Report

Quoted By: >>53976412 >>53976557 >>53977495 >>53977978

>>53974839
>Onyx/Steelix
Change Weak Armour for Simple.
Add Accelerock, Coil (wtf it's a giant snake) and Power Whip (already gets Aqua tail for some reason), Shore Up (Only lacking reliable recovery holds it back).
+25Hp/+35Atk/+35SpD/+30Speed (Onyx reaches 510Bst parity with Steelix)
>Boost Keen eye to add 50%extra acc to all moves.
>Fearow
Ground/Flying
Add Slash/Nightslash.
Turn Drill peck into a High crit move.
+10Atk/Speed
>Pidgeot
Add a Special Ground type clone of Air slash, call it Dust Devil.
+20 SpA/Speed
>Sentret/Furret
Swap Run away with Simple.
(Then run Simple Coil sets or Keen eye Agility+Slam/Mega Punch/Kick/Iron tail combos)
+15 Speed
>Arcanine
Add Dragon Dance, Dragon claw and Fire Lash.
>Houndoom
Exchange Unnerve with Intimidate.
Add back Scorching sands.
+30Def/+15Atk/+10Speed (parity with Arcanine the fellow cop doggo)
>Donphan
Exchange Sand Veil with Thick Fat
>Skarmory
Swap Weak Armour for Rock Head.
+15Hp/+30 Speed
>Octillery
Water/Steel (bring bacl the panzer helmet design)
Swap its Atk/SpA with Def/SpD
Aqua ring, Incinerate, Metal burst and Shockwave added to movepool.
Swap Moody for Technician.
+15Atk/SpA (both end up with base 90)
>Mightyena
Swap Quick feet for Strong Jaw (It's the Bite pokemon afterall)
+30Hp/Atk/Speed
>Linoone
Add evolution.
Normal/Dragon evo (Tutor Dragon Rush, Sinusoid theme dog-drake).
Adaptability/Poison Heal/Defiant
+30Atk/Def/SpD +10Speed
(Hone claws and rush)
>Swellow
+5Hp/+25Atk/SpA
>Hariyama
+1Hp/+15Def/SpD
>Aggron
Steel/Dragon
Change Heavy Metal for No Guard
Add Dragon Rush
-30 Def/-10SpA
+30SpD/+10Speed
>Solrock
New ability Sunrise: Upon entry starts 3 turns of harsh sunlight and levitates.
+15Atk/+25Speed
Add Flamewheel to movepool.
Change Flamewheel to 80Bp.
>Lunatone
New ability New Moon:
Sets Mystic terrain for 3 turns upon entry and levitates.
+15SpA/+25Speed
>Flygon
Desert Spirit: Levitate and Sand stream bundled into one.
+15Atk/+20Speed

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 05:40:20 No.53975398 Report

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give wobbuffet unaware as an alternative ability

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 06:51:12 No.53975546 Report

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90HP/60Speed for Druddigon
Jaw Lock, Poison Fangs, Hyper Fang, Huge Power/Strong Jaw/Heatproof for Carnivine
Soundproof for Chimecho

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 06:52:25 No.53975548 Report

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>>53974839
>aggron
>make it steel/fighting
>maybe boost its base stats to pseudo legendary levels, it already has every other quality of a pseudo besides 600 BST. HP, attack, special defense, and speed should be buffed, maybe re-distribute a few points from special attack too

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 07:04:38 No.53975580 Report

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>Volcarona
Drought and Scorching Sands, then it’ll actually be worthy of being banned to ubers

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 09:15:51 No.53975783 Report

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Haxorus learns glaive rush. That's it.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:01:59 No.53976412 Report

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>>53975394
>New Moon

That doesn't really make any sense. A new moon is the opposite of a full moon, it's basically when there ISN'T a moon

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:41:42 No.53976520 Report

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>>53976412
Wrong. So very wrong.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:41:47 No.53976521 Report

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>>53974985
Give them all their respective versions of Adaptability to go along with Transistor and Dragon's Maw.

Regice, Regirock, and Registeel get Recover, Toxic, Stealth Rock, Body Press, and Shell Smash.

Slow Start now has a counter that goes down even if Regigigas switches out. It also has its Adaptability effect for Normal attacks.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:42:52 No.53976523 Report

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>>53975105
>>53975034
Fairy isn't a real type. It's just made up bullshit with no throughline. Something is Fairy if Game Freak says it's Fairy.

It was always a dogshit idea for a type. Stop trying to make sense of it.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:51:35 No.53976549 Report

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+10 Def
+10 SpA

Learns Roost, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Weather Ball, and Hurricane.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:54:23 No.53976557 Report

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>>53975394
I appreciate your Onix ideas, and like your Aggron

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 15:57:04 No.53976562 Report

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>>53975548
>it already has every other quality of a pseudo besides 600 BST
You mean being a three-stager?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 16:19:26 No.53976641 Report

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>>53976520
Yeah the moon is all dark. There basically is no moon. Why would you have a moon Pokemon based on the NEW moon, the time of the lunar cycle when there ISN'T any visible moon

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 16:41:25 No.53976722 Report

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ability changes have been posted, but what about an item? Also JUST GIVE IT DREAM EATER
>Pendulum
This odd tool raises the accuracy of certain Pokémon.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 16:44:52 No.53976735 Report

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>>53976412
>A new moon is the opposite of a full moon
So?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 17:18:57 No.53976893 Report

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>>53974985
i feel like even if you gave Eleki recover it wouldnt really use it since its frail as fuck
the other regis are far more bulkier and can use recover

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 17:22:10 No.53976915 Report

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Seed Sower or Harvest. What other abilities do you think would fit?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 18:27:32 No.53977209 Report

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>>53975105
>marill
>granbull
>dedenne
>magical or folklore shit
yeah ok retard
>B-B-B-B-BUT MY FANFIC SAYS IT'S ACTUALLY BASED ON THIS OBSCURE FAIRY TALE THAT I GOOGLED
you would do the same thing if Bewear was fairy type and claim it makes sense.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 18:39:09 No.53977243 Report

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Gen 7 is full of disappointments, this guy, guzzlord and golisopod too got fucked. Buff all his stats by +5 to at least make him on the same ground as pixie mythicals like mew. Also the memory items give him a STAB boost like arceus’ plates. Give him earth power, super power, stone edge, leaf blade, fire blast, blizzard, thunder, hydro pump and nasty plot. You guys think this would break him?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 19:19:32 No.53977363 Report

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>>53974839
>Give it Play Rough, Pounce, Headlong Rush, Comeuppance, Focus Punch (as a Level Up), and Trailblaze
>Give it back some of its moves it lost from SM to SwSh (like Wide Guard)
>Give it +10 in Def (80>90) and SpDef (60>70), bringing BST up to 520 and allowing to take better advantage of its fat HP stat. Also makes Fluffy feel even better to bet on in a huge powercreep meta

I feel like that's enough. Especially with Tera, this thing would do pretty well becoming a Ghost or Fire type. With Fluffy and these slight changes, it could be a really good physical tank you send out to soak up a resisted hit and then just unload damage, knowing you have the Tera in the back pocket. It would actually be a pretty fun check against Chien of all things, with the small caveat that you need to predict if it's going to use Sacred Sword or not.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 19:24:18 No.53977375 Report

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>>53976915
Infiltrator (they can use minimize).
Galvanize (STAB explosions)

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 20:05:12 No.53977495 Report

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>>53975394
The only buff Arcanine needs is to take away intimidate from Incineroar

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 20:05:55 No.53977502 Report

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>>53977495
No

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 20:18:22 No.53977533 Report

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 21:38:10 No.53977798 Report

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>>53974839
The greatest crime is that this thing could actually be good and it just isn't. It has really good SpA and SpD, but everything else is average or below. It doesn't have the best abilities to use with what it wants to do but it does learn a ton of interesting status moves. I think it's a case of a Gen 5 mon that sort of got everything and nothing at the same time, which a lot of them fell into if we're being truthful. Barring a new evolution, which it definitely could get, I would recommend the following changes

>+10 HP, -10 Att, +5 Def, +10 SpDef, +0 Spd
>Swap out Synchronize for Psychic Surge
>Give it access to Lumina Crash, Ancient Power, Twin Beam, Parabolic Charge, Magnet Rise, Magnetic Flux, Ion Deluge, Zap Cannon, Dazzling Gleam, Memento, Grudge, Self Destruct and Corrosive Gas
>Give it back access to some moves it lost from Gen 7 to Gen 8 (ex. Signal Beam, Role Play...)

I don't think this makes it OP by any stretch, but it gives it a more significant role as something that you can send in to do big dick damage under terrain (Lumina Crash + Psychic Terrain + Analytic + Choice Specs = get fucked). Or it has more survivability as a utility mon with slightly more gimmicky utility moves. It still wouldn't have access to hazards or moves to clear hazards, but it would have the benefit of some less common moves at its disposal like Gravity, Ally Switch or the Power Split type attacks while also having dual screens, Destiny Bond, etc.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 21:53:15 No.53977843 Report

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>>53977209
At least the first two were always in the Fairy egg group before the type existed. Why isn't the stuffed bear in that group?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 22:07:09 No.53977883 Report

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>>53977495
Dragon Dance fits since the Chinese Lion-Dogs in folktales are the children of the first dragon and the heavenly wolf (both divine beasts).
They have an evil equivalent in the Taotie a Goat-dog-dragon thing often depicted as a black dog associated with Rahu the sun eater from Hindu myth.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 22:33:36 No.53977978 Report

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>>53975394
>>Mightyena
>Swap Quick feet for Strong Jaw (It's the Bite pokemon afterall)
>+30Hp/Atk/Speed

I wouldn't give it that much of a stat boost. At that point it just should get an evolution. But I do want to help make it more useful if not extremely useful. Bring the BST up to 480 which I think is more reasonable because a lot of early route two stagers end up around that point, so Mightyena would be brought up to their level by giving it +30 Att and +30 Speed. That gives it 110 Att and 100 Speed. With its crappy defenses that's not much, but at least they can now do something. Giving it Strong Jaw makes a ton of sense and Quick Feet would be the one to replace (Moxie and Intimidate are just too good to get rid of). I'd also bring back Pursuit and then give it access to all or most of its Gen 7 Tutor moves (Super Fang, Throat Chop, Hyper Voice and Foul Play come to mind). Then I would give it access to Jaw Lock, Knock Off, Burning Jealousy, Lash Out, Trailblaze, Pounce, Comeuppance, Endeavor, Close Combat and Psychic Fangs. And if we want to get nuts, give it Dire Claw and No Retreat because WTF not.

Without those last two changes, it still would be a lot better. You now have some options. You can come in and nuke people with Scarf CC and hope for the Moxie boost, you could take advantage of a bad situation with a few of those attacks, and now you have some better options to spread status or debuff the opponent in Doubles. Also now you have access to nearly all the moves that get buffed by Strong Jaw, so that's fun.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 22:35:10 No.53977986 Report

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>>53977243
No because he's still limited and with the hold items would not be able to Tera (presumably). Ironically probably the best bet would be to not use one of the memories and then just use the Tera to switch it up.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 22:56:39 No.53978046 Report

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>>53976722
I feel pretty strongly that Hypno should have Psychic Surge or some weird variation related to sleep. It's probably going to be busted in actual execution, but it would be neat if it had an ability that gave every Pokémon on the field the effects of Drowsy from PLA. It has a fat SpDef stat that it can't really use and a pretty okay move pool all things considered. I guess I would do this

>+7 Def/+17 SpA/-7 Spd (85/73/77/90/115/60)
>Give it Dream Eater
>Buff Forewarn or replace it with something else
>Replace Inner Focus with a custom ability, Somnambulist. The ability has a 30% chance to activate at the end of every turn and will cause any Pokémon on the field to feel Drowsy, including allies. It cannot activate on the turn this Pokémon switches in. Drowsiness works similar to PLA where the affected Pokémon is treated as if they are asleep for the context of moves or abilities, but they can still act. The Pokémon has a 10% chance to miss their move on their turn and all affected Pokémon take 50% more damage from the next physical attack, however it will then startle them awake. Special damage gains no bonus, but also does not wake them up. A drowsy Pokemon is less likely to act during snow but will always be woken up on electric terrain or if they are hit by /use an electric type move. A drowsy Pokémon will naturally wake up on their own after at least two turns, with the chance of them waking up at the end of the turn increasing by a significant amount every subsequent turn after. Being drowsy is considered a volatile status effect, similar to confusion, and therefore it can stack.

This alone would probably save Hypno. Its move pool seems to be pushing it towards some sort of a slow burn mixed attacker, even though that has nothing to do with its lore or stat spread. The custom ability I don't think would break things because there are a lot of ways out of it, but it would give this thing a pretty powerful niche that it needs

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 23:02:48 No.53978068 Report

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>>53978046
I could see sets that use the signature ability and then abuse Belly Drum or Nasty Plot + Sub to great effect. It would also be fun in doubles if you send it in with a Pokémon that doesn't mind being drowsy or can avoid it, because then you can use T-Wave to stack paralysis and drowsy and then just use dream eater to sustain. I'm sure there are other strategies but that's what comes to mind. As far as drowsy entering the main games, this is probably the best way to do it and I would actually include it through other means like maybe having certain moves switch over to cause that effect rather than sleep or just having new ones. I would also maybe make some abilities immune to it, not just insomnia. I could see something like guard dog being immune, and then maybe abilities like vital spirit could even get a stat boost off of it

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 23:07:32 No.53978079 Report

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>>53975034
>doll/toy
>not fairy type

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 23:13:19 No.53978090 Report

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>>53978079
>>doll/toy
>>not fairy type

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jun 2023 23:17:08 No.53978103 Report

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>>53978046
>>53978068
Yeah the custom ability is what ive usually seen, the other option that would also probably be unbalanced would be a Reverse Comatose, treating all other pokemon as asleep for the purposes of moves (dream eater of course, but would also end up affecting Hex)

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2023 06:00:47 No.53979232 Report

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>>53976893
I just feel like recover is a little excessive. Eleki could heal off damage from hazards while forcing switches.
And it has so few good moves anyway that carrying recover doesn't hurt it at all.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2023 06:07:08 No.53979243 Report

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>>53975105
Fairy doesn't have a coherent theme. It only exists for game balance.
>It's for magical mons!
Alakazam and Delphox are magic-themed and they're not fairy-type.
>It's for folklore!
Literal hundreds of Pokemon have grounding in folklore and they're not fairy-type.
There is no connecting thread between even half of all fairy-type Pokemon.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2023 14:07:19 No.53980086 Report

Quoted By: >>53980097

>>53974839
One of my favorite Gen 3 mons that I always "forget" and then remember how much I love it is this guy.

>+9HP (100>109)
>+6 Att/SpA (73>79)
>+63 Def/SpD (83>89)
>467>500 BST

>Sticky Hold no longer procs the Knock Off damage bonus everytime a Pokemon with Sticky Hold is hit with it. It also now has a reverse-Pickpocket effect: if the Pokemon with Sticky Hold has no item, there is a 50% chance that the opponent's item will stick to them if the opponent hits them with a contact move.
>Liquid Ooze gets a buff too, since it's such a rare ability. It still damages Pokemon who attempt to drain your HP, but it also gives a Poison Point like effect that can Poison attackers if they hit you with a contact move (the flavor text says the ability works because the Pokemon "oozes a liquid with a strong stench")
>Give it back Venom Drench, Self Destruct and Pain Split (lost them going into Gen 9, tho Pain Split is a prevo move)
>Give it Sludge Wave, Sticky Web and Order Up (which is more for the flavor since it can't actually get the boosts)

It has a really wide movepool. I think with these changes you could make an interesting anti-meta mon out of it, esp with Tera

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2023 14:10:04 No.53980097 Report

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>>53980086
Forgot image

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2023 21:08:15 No.53981575 Report

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>>53976523
dragon claws typed this post

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jun 2023 04:27:52 No.53982960 Report

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>>53976562
not all

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jun 2023 04:35:14 No.53982971 Report

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>>53976641
It also unreasonably bothers me that Cresselia looks like and is named after the crescent moon but lives on Full Moon island

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jun 2023 11:27:41 No.53983714 Report

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>>53975034
It's a very caring pokemon in the anime

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