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Smogon is assessing via a community poll what broken stuff should be suspected in OU.

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 14:25:11 No.54019821 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54020111 >>54020485

Spot the intruder...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeuGb2GgK6TGiGynhJTXKZEBmoPbCoU6PYLcssRYrazDiH_iA/viewform

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 14:34:07 No.54019845 Report

Quoted By: >>54019887 >>54019893 >>54020007

Is H-Samurott really that good?
Even Landorus and Great Tusk aren't on the list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 14:46:00 No.54019887 Report

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>>54019845
The issue is Ceaseless Edge

A move that sets a layer of spikes and deals damage at the same time (and is boosted 50% by STAB and another 50% by its ability)

Said move also happens to be one of the best and most spammable offensive types in the game (only three types resist Dark, and one of those itself. Nothing is immune to it)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 14:46:58 No.54019893 Report

Quoted By: >>54020233

>>54019845
Yes, this shit changed hazards measures.
To begin with you no longer need a move wasted on entry hazards. You can run water, dark, fight and priority with choice item and just lock yourself on spikes,
Second, taunt and magic bounce are no longer deterrents for hazards.
Third, this bitch resist both Gholdengo and Kingambit BOTH dual stabs.
This nig should easily reach top 5 OU viability if smogontards aren't dumb. H-Samutt is one of the best pokemon ever made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 14:52:28 No.54019919 Report

Quoted By: >>54019940

>Quick Claw
Let me guess, Finch or some other mod lost to a G-Slowbro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 14:59:05 No.54019940 Report

Quoted By: >>54020001

>>54019919
No, A team made it to top of the top ladder with x6 quick claw spam on fat slow heavy hitting shit like Ursaluna, Enamorous-t, Gambit. Can't remember exactly. Now everyone is using it.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:05:19 No.54019967 Report

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>Is there anything else not already mentioned you would like to see the Council look into?

>This can include Pokemon like Ursaluna or other elements of the game like Light Clay.

>We value your input, so please do not hesitate to let us know here!
heavy duty boots

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:12:59 No.54020001 Report

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>>54019940
>someone makes a bulky offense team with some of the best bulky offense mons in the tier
It's more a sign of how strong those Pokemon are than Quick Claw being broken. Kingambit practically doesn't even need an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:15:04 No.54020007 Report

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>>54019845
Great Tusk isn’t broken and Lando isn’t that great now that it lost a bunch of moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:33:18 No.54020077 Report

Quoted By: >>54020087 >>54020192 >>54020256

They want to ban Ceaseless Edge, not Samurott.
But as Samurott is the only user of the move, he needs to get banned for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:37:19 No.54020087 Report

Quoted By: >>54020094 >>54020139

>>54020077
noooo we cant have complex bans!!!! for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:38:33 No.54020094 Report

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>>54020087
>mewtwo is fine just ban psychic attacks and recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:45:56 No.54020111 Report

Quoted By: >>54020289

>>54019821
Who cares? Retards banned Volcarona without asking anyone so why even run a poll? Just ban everything you don't like and be done with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 15:53:32 No.54020139 Report

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>>54020087
Banning one attack isn't even complex. RIP funbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:09:39 No.54020192 Report

Quoted By: >>54020199

>>54020077
They never ban moves or abilities unless it's reasonably demonstrated to be broken on anything that would use it.
Which you can't do if it's exclusive to one Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:11:06 No.54020199 Report

Quoted By: >>54020255

>>54020192
They never did lots of things until they did. Terrible excuse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:18:56 No.54020233 Report

Quoted By: >>54020267

>>54019893
>This nig should easily reach top 5 OU viability
Im pretty sure this nigger otter actually surpassed tusk as the most used mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:22:35 No.54020255 Report

Quoted By: >>54020270

>>54020199
>They never did lots of things until they did
Such as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:22:46 No.54020256 Report

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>>54020077
As much as I hate this nigger otter,it doesnt deserve to get banned,but that move needs some nerfs,either maybe not stacking more than 1 layer or lower the accuracy or BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:24:06 No.54020263 Report

Quoted By: >>54020268 >>54020347

How long is it going to take them till they ban tera?

>but muh heckin fun mechanic!
Make a separate mode where it's legal. The base OU> should not have it legal, it's obviously too game warping if they need to ban so much shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:25:48 No.54020267 Report

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>>54020233
He's barely top10, what are you talking about?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m0ARE8DJpKtsVS6Z-cWh6q_8TU5H7NI9NmOcpd4qb9k/htmlview#gid=136473062

However he's the 2nd most successful mon among the top10 after Gholbingo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:26:21 No.54020268 Report

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>>54020263
its being suspected in nat dex

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:26:24 No.54020270 Report

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>>54020255
Literally every ban they've ever made beyond the stadium ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:31:01 No.54020289 Report

Quoted By: >>54020489

>>54020111
Yup, Because Terrastallization is broken, I swear those fucking retarded pedos on smogon are so fucking insufferably dumb, It's the Dunning Kruger effect on steroids, It's an obviously broken mechanic that makes dealing with already overbearing Pokemon even harder, It outright breaks certain Pokemon like Regieleki, Even if you had information to which Terra type your opponent was using, It wouldn't fix the issue. Flich is a fucking retarded tranny loving freak that is painfully retarded and self-complacent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 16:44:36 No.54020347 Report

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>>54020263
Tera isn't even that fun
>in builder
>look at what beats thing
>make type that catches the most of those
>maybe the second/third best type if it's something popular like gambit
>if it's something that's running blast for coverage settle on whatever gives the best defensive and offensive profile
>maybe sometimes use tera for extra stab on a glass cannon to secure certain kills
>in game
>click button
>either blank check(s), trade tera for a kill, or eat a resist with blast
I feel like the mechanic is only favored so much because how typing is such a critical mechanic in the game to determine viability. So people like when they can turn a stealth rock weak mon into a resist or a mon who is quad weak to fighting into an immunity. It also 'feels' good when you tera on a predict to secure a kill even if it's just click button get immediate and difficult to fiend out advantage given every mon has like 3+ viable teras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 17:34:41 No.54020478 Report

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More like Smegma lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 17:38:31 No.54020485 Report

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>>54019821
Another tool of hyper offense is getting banned?
One that's not hard to mitigate at all with the tons of counters in the meta?
Gee. I wonder what will happen Volcarona.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 17:40:01 No.54020489 Report

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>>54020289
>Terrastallization is broken
And everything else you say is invalid.
Which is a shame because Volcarona isn't even an issue with or without tera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jun 2023 17:42:33 No.54020498 Report

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