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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:27:42 No.54072955 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54072985 >>54073259 >>54074823 >>54076111 >>54078008

SMOGGIES LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO KILL A SHEDINJA. JAPANESE TODDLERS WERE KILLING THESE THINGS BACK IN 2002 HAHAHAHAH

PROTIP: USE A ROCK, FLYING, FIRE, DARK, OR GHOST MOVE ON IT YOU STUPID FAGGOTS LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:28:11 No.54072956 Report

Quoted By: >>54072966 >>54073014 >>54073448 >>54077376 >>54077607

tera electric air balloon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:28:12 No.54072957 Report

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Botpost

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:30:39 No.54072966 Report

Quoted By: >>54072972 >>54072977 >>54072987 >>54073009

>>54072956
Sand, like at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:31:31 No.54072972 Report

Quoted By: >>54072993 >>54073009

>>54072966
tera normal safety goggles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:31:54 No.54072975 Report

Quoted By: >>54073009 >>54074876 >>54077595

I assume it's because of Electric-tera Shedinja with a Shed Tail substitute passed to it. Somewhat annoying, like 'resurrection cats'. But, both were easily handled with simple team-building adjustments.

AG NatDex was removed from the laddered tiers unnecessarily! I'm not a pro, but, AG NatDex was a ton of fun, and I often hovered around top 100 on the ladder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:32:25 No.54072977 Report

Quoted By: >>54073006 >>54073009 >>54074802

>>54072966
That's its only counter, which is why it was banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:33:50 No.54072985 Report

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>>54072955

Smoggy woggys on suicide watch. Imagine not knowing how to kill this Hoenn shitmon. I killed hundreds in the gen 3 and 4 battle frontiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:34:16 No.54072987 Report

Quoted By: >>54072998 >>54074369

>>54072966
>Shedinja used Sunny Day!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:35:13 No.54072993 Report

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>>54072972
But then it cant run tera electric. Furthermore it cant hold both safety goggles AND air balloon.
Also spikes/stealth rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:36:43 No.54072998 Report

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>>54072987
OUTPLAYED

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:38:24 No.54073006 Report

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>>54072977
Not the only counter, by far. I can easily think of several ways to counter it. Perish Song, Neutralizing Gas, Roar/Whirlwind/Red Card to remove Sub, Rocky Helmet, or even stupid stuff like Magic Room or Imprison+Transform Mew.

You need to be creative, which is what made AG NatDex so fun, in my opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:39:38 No.54073009 Report

Quoted By: >>54074248

>>54072966
>>54072972
>>54072975
>>54072977
Shedinja stopped running the Tera Electric Air Balloon set simply because people kept expecting it and bringing Tyranitar to every game (which is not good on its own outside of beating Shedinja). Tera Normal with Safety Goggles or Tera Steel with Focus Sash / Air Balloon were two more sets that kept getting passed around; and obviously there is no pokemon that beats every shedinja

as is often the casual players don't understand that you're supposed to be making a team that has a chance of beating anything your opponent can use, not counterteaming an NPC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:40:45 No.54073014 Report

Quoted By: >>54073073 >>54073091 >>54073456 >>54073644 >>54075225

>>54072956
>Smoggy woggy used Hydro Pump!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>Smoggy woggy used Mach Punch!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>Smoggy woggy used Thunderbolt!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>Smoggy woggy used Ice Beam!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>Smoggy woggy used Head Butt!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>Smoggy woggy used Earthquake!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*

WTFFFF IT'S CHEATING WAAAAAAH BAN IT TO AG BAN IT TO AG QUICK WAAAAAAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:44:12 No.54073026 Report

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Gamefreak also banned Shedinja

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:49:38 No.54073062 Report

Quoted By: >>54073071 >>54073077 >>54074228 >>54074730

Why is Miraidon on there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:51:33 No.54073071 Report

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>>54073062
This is NatDex, so it can blast through things that would otherwise check it with Devastating Drake or Gigavolt Havoc

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:51:49 No.54073073 Report

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>>54073014
>SmogGOD used Mystical Fire!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>SmogGOD used Knock Off!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*
>SmogGOD used Stone Edge!
>The attack missed!
>SmogGOD used Shadow Punch!
>*it doesn't effect the enemy Shedinja*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:52:27 No.54073077 Report

Quoted By: >>54073095

>>54073062
very high offensive stats + electric terrain auto-set + an ability that boosts offensive power in electric terrain + a strong signature move that probably also gets boosted in electric terrain

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:54:09 No.54073091 Report

Quoted By: >>54073114

>>54073014
I agree, every team should have at least 1 Hippowdon, Tyranitar, or Infiltrator status user(the best one being Dragapult).

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:54:52 No.54073095 Report

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>>54073077
+ Gigavolt Havoc

That's why it's banned.

>252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Electric Terrain: 405-477 (56.7 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:57:13 No.54073114 Report

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>>54073091
Considering it was NatDex AG, I think that's fair enough. That format was all about degeneracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:59:58 No.54073135 Report

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>recreating the same thread over and over again just to get more (You)s
Is there anything more pathetic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 00:31:51 No.54073259 Report

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>>54072955
yes did you know shedinja had a niche in VGC because its immune to stuff like kyogre’s water spout and other legendary spam?
but this is /vp/, most retards here don’t know competitive games always have anti-meta strats that isn’t exclusive to pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 01:29:56 No.54073448 Report

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>>54072956
You can also either poison or burn it. Smoggies like to whine too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 01:31:21 No.54073456 Report

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>>54073014
>>Smoggy woggy used Head Butt!
Come on, that's not a meta move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 02:12:33 No.54073644 Report

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>>54073014
Ironically, the real Smoggy woggy move, Stealth Rocks, does work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 05:05:05 No.54074228 Report

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>>54073062
Miraidon is even stronger than Mega Rayquaza but it's not an old gen legendary so nobody cares about it. Same with Shadow Calyrex

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 05:10:05 No.54074248 Report

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>>54073009
>there is no pokemon that beats every shedinja
anything with mold breaker, a clone of it, or a move with the effect (sunsteel strike, etc)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 05:28:57 No.54074293 Report

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Because Tera is retarded. If it weren’t for Tera, straight to untiered it goes.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 05:57:27 No.54074369 Report

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>>54072987
NOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 09:01:49 No.54074730 Report

Quoted By: >>54074935

>>54073062
>Koraidon's sun has competition from Kyogre, and sometimes Tyranitar when it gets used as a special wall in Ubers
>Miraidon's terrain only has competition from Rilla and the Tapus, but unlike Kyogre and TTar they can't really keep up with Ubers, the other setters aren't worth mentioning
>Koraidon has to deal with Claw/Outrage as it's Dragon STAB option, Claw is weak and Outrage locking you in can lead to losing Koraidon
>Miraidon has Draco Meteor
>Koraidon's ability doesn't synergize with it's fighting STAB
>Miraidon's ability makes it's electric STAB hit harder
It might sound like I'm making Koraidon look bad but reminder it's still OP and one of the best box legends. Just puts into perspective how busted Miraidon is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 09:53:58 No.54074802 Report

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>>54072977
>what is Infestation
>what is Leech Seed (forests' curse counters but nobody runs that)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 10:03:49 No.54074823 Report

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>>54072955
>Oh no, every team has to run sandstorm and rocks now!
>Which is what we've all been fucking doing for the entire past decade anyways, OH DEAR HOW HORRIBLE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 10:08:31 No.54074837 Report

Quoted By: >>54075017

>I need to run answers to general meta threats like entry hazards, lando, tusk? OMGON BAD
>I no longer need to run specific monsters to a single pokemon? OMGON BAD

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 10:35:27 No.54074876 Report

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>>54072975
It honestly was, and the last format worth playing. My interest in this series unorinically died when they axed it, nothing else is fun anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 11:07:21 No.54074935 Report

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>>54074730
Game Freak still plays favorites, but they didn't make it as obvious this time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 11:53:04 No.54075017 Report

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>>54074837
Kek this. Smogon makes some retarded decisions but most critiques to it are of that caliber

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 13:22:59 No.54075225 Report

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>>54073014
Literally mindbroken by rulesets you don’t even need to follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 18:10:52 No.54076111 Report

Quoted By: >>54076141 >>54078042

>>54072955
>Caring about Smogon
>Caring about competitive pokemon in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 18:19:49 No.54076141 Report

Quoted By: >>54077342

>>54076111
This. Competitive Pokémon is an unbalanced farce that only exist to make FOTM shillmons and CHARIZARD look good. and Game Freak is so ungodly retarded they couldn’t even do THAT right since CHARIZARD is such a fundamental piece of garbage that’s it couldn’t work without having a metric fuckton of bullshit event moves and a brand spanking new special snowflake super saiyan forms every seconds.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 22:41:15 No.54077342 Report

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>>54076141
base charizard is bottom tier in smogon and both gmax and megas aren't allowed in competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 22:52:08 No.54077376 Report

Quoted By: >>54077392 >>54079521

>>54072956
>toxic
>will-o-wisp
>sand stream
>snow warning
>mold breaker

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 22:58:24 No.54077392 Report

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>>54077376
>snow warning
/vp/s most talented anti-smogon intellectual

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 23:45:50 No.54077595 Report

Quoted By: >>54077638

>>54072975
>resurrection cats
resurrection cats worked in the first place because instead of adding all the new moves to assist's banlist by default they allowed all new moves to banlist instead. I suppose doing the latter approach would have other ramifications like being able to use attacks on other mons while still keeping assist-able moves available.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 23:49:47 No.54077607 Report

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>>54072956
It's actually because of boots terra ground or tera steel shedinja. Blocking hazards, sand, and status through shed tail substitute is brutal. There's answers of course, but the idea was to only switch in shedinja after it's checks were gone and since your opponent doesn't know what those checks are until you terra playing around it was just a coinflip.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 23:56:20 No.54077638 Report

Quoted By: >>54077657

>>54077595
nah, to be fair, all of the new SV moves already had Assist yes/no flags programmed into them, and Revivial Blessing WAS callable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jul 2023 00:00:36 No.54077657 Report

Quoted By: >>54078144

>>54077638
No, they didn't. Everything from SwSh or SV just has the flag left blank (which results in NOT being uncallable); they didn't bother because Assist doesn't exist.
Obstruct is also "callable" even though it's a Protect clone and all the other Protect clones couldn't be called by Assist.

Shodown's programmer/dataminer (DaWobblefet) just assumed intent where it didn't exist, and reiterated that assumed intent without including any context. Possibly because he's the one who innovated revivecats and topped the ladder with it, but who knows

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jul 2023 01:15:41 No.54078008 Report

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>>54072955
AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE FANFIC META HERMANOS! THAT 1HP CREATURE IS MOGGING MEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jul 2023 01:20:28 No.54078036 Report

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For some reason, no one uses sneaky pebbles, status, and weather in AG, therefore everything is banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jul 2023 01:22:36 No.54078042 Report

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>>54076111
>caring enough to reply
Hypocrite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jul 2023 01:42:07 No.54078144 Report

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>>54077657
>Everything from SwSh or SV just has the flag left blank
except for the starmobiles' torque moves. they bothered to make those uncallable for some godforsaken reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jul 2023 11:18:22 No.54079521 Report

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>>54077376
>>snow warning
anon....

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