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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:01:10 No.54321188 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54321223 >>54322891 >>54324492

So...
Will it evolve or not?
The name is a spin on Polteageist but it's design is a spin on Sinistea?
Which one do you think it is?
A convergent Sinistea or Polteageist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:02:20 No.54321200 Report

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100% it will evolve
but will it have the extra rarity of regular sinistea

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:03:00 No.54321209 Report

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i fucking hate you james turner its your fault these shitty ass cuphead old cartoon desings exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:04:53 No.54321220 Report

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Guarantee it’s just a regional evolution of Sinistea and won’t evolve further.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:05:27 No.54321223 Report

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>>54321188
it will definitely have that brush thing you see when people put matcha

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:05:47 No.54321227 Report

Quoted By: >>54322605 >>54322679 >>54322745

It's confirmed to be a Convergent of Sinistea

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:24:19 No.54322605 Report

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>>54321227
source: my ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:26:09 No.54322623 Report

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>>54322605
It's on the official website.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:33:38 No.54322679 Report

Quoted By: >>54322780 >>54322808 >>54322849 >>54322911 >>54323252 >>54323348 >>54323994

>>54321227
Convergent species were a mistake.
They're too complicated and too close to regional variants. If it's all about evolution then why do it with objectmons like Sinistea? The Tentacool one is also weird, do jellyfish and mushrooms have a common ancestor? It's getting messy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:40:00 No.54322745 Report

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>>54321227
>pinky out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:43:46 No.54322780 Report

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>>54322679
>If it's all about evolution then why do it with objectmons like Sinistea?
Sinistea is a purple blob ghost who uses a teacup for protection. Polchageist is a piece of pottery that awakened as a yokai. One is "tea" using a teapot, and other is a "teapot" using tea.

The "convergence" is that two completely unrelated floating teaware ghosts came into existence that happen to have similar traits at first glance.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:47:10 No.54322808 Report

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>>54322679
>do jellyfish and mushrooms have a common ancestor?
Convergent Evolution is when the two creatures sharing traits DON'T have a common ancestor numbnuts. Did you fucks just sleep throught all of highschool biology?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:52:11 No.54322849 Report

Quoted By: >>54323133 >>54323252 >>54323371

>>54322679
Convergent species mean there’s no evolutionary relation between the two. If anything, objectmon are *more* likely to have convergents, because they can’t evolve like a living creature to take on new forms.
Tentacool and Toedscool look the same, but they’re totally different creatures. Tentacool is a jellyfish while Toedscool is a mushroom. The two species have no relation whatsoever.
Similarly, Sinistea/Polteageist are a ghost that possessed black tea, while Poltchageist is a ghost that possessed matcha tea. While they’re similar concepts, there’s no actual relation between the two lines, as there’s no way for a teacup/teapot to “evolve” (in the Darwinian sense) into a new form. They’re just ghosts possessing similar things.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:53:27 No.54322858 Report

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100% evolves into a Japanese yunomi tea cup weilding a matcha whisk and the name will be Sinistcha or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:55:09 No.54322865 Report

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>>54322808
All three times I took it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:58:39 No.54322891 Report

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>>54321188
They make another game set in Unova where Polteageist gets a regional variant based on an ocean filled with tea paraphernalia.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 18:01:49 No.54322911 Report

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>>54322679
Local retard doesn't know what convergent species are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 18:40:31 No.54323133 Report

Quoted By: >>54323252 >>54323386

>>54322849
Ah ok, thanks for this explanation! Makes sense. Do the games explain this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 18:59:15 No.54323252 Report

Quoted By: >>54323386 >>54323953

>>54322679
>>54322808
>>54322849
>>54322911
>>54323133
Every species on Earth has common ancestors.
Convergent evolution is when a clade gain structures that are not presented in the MOST RECENT COMMON ancestor with its sister clades while shared the same forms and fuctions with a distant clade
Example: Cetaceans developed fin-like structures that help them swim like other non-terapod fish while their most recent sister clade - the Hippos - don't have them

Since GF doesn't really put their mind into the ecological and physiological function of their pokemon design the "convergent evolution" can only be called mimicry at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:13:24 No.54323348 Report

Quoted By: >>54323675

>>54322679
>>54322780

But they are both tea. We've seen Regional variants be a tanuki and raccoon, so what makes tea and tea so distinct to be compared to garden eels and moles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:16:42 No.54323371 Report

Quoted By: >>54323487

>>54322849
>If anything, objectmon are *more* likely to have convergents, because they can’t evolve like a living creature to take on new forms.
Makes sense, but how does that explain Hisuian Voltorb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:19:04 No.54323386 Report

Quoted By: >>54323418 >>54323447 >>54323491

>>54323133
>>54323252
“Convergent forms” aren’t a thing you guys. They’re never called that in-game and no lore is given to them beyond “wow Wiglett looks like Diglett.”
Saying “Gamefreak doesn’t understand convergent evolution” or “it’s weird that Poltchageist doesn’t match the other convergent form patterns” is dumb because these new mons aren’t actually convergent mons, they’re just new mons that look like old ones, and it’s the fanbase that has created all this “convergent form” discussion.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:25:41 No.54323418 Report

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>>54323386
Centro confirmed they are retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:31:09 No.54323447 Report

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>>54323386
Even if they aren't directly called that, Gamefreak makes too much of a deal about how similar they look to the base mon for that to not be the explanation. They even give explanations for why these mons developed these traits too. The Toedscruel line uses their mycelium in a similar fashion to how the Tentacruel line uses their tentacles (wrapping them around prey to incapacitate them) and Wigglet needs got big nose and tendency to flee underground from the speed of the predators in it's habitat, like Veluza.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:42:43 No.54323487 Report

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>>54323371
Voltorb an apricorn monster that got a less wood texture over time apparently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:43:04 No.54323491 Report

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>>54323386
yes, my point is that people are dumb for keep calling it that, even the leakers who def know nothing about biology. They really are just pokemon that happen to look similar as a muh reference

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 19:47:20 No.54323520 Report

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>>54323418
>centro
>confirming anything
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:10:53 No.54323675 Report

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>>54323348
Zigzagoon's Japanese name is "Zigzaguma", with the "guma" coming from araiguma (racoon). I have no idea where people got the idea it had anything to do with tanuki. Japan has normal racoon too, you know.

But the difference between "tea" and "tea" is that they're VERY different existences as ghosts. One is a ghost that makes things float around, while the other is actually possessing the teacup as its body.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:18:34 No.54323720 Report

Quoted By: >>54324715

>all the new forms are galarshit
why do they keep pushing this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:24:39 No.54323748 Report

Quoted By: >>54323802 >>54323805 >>54323875 >>54324092

>>54323675
So tanukis aren't raccoons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:33:45 No.54323802 Report

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>>54323748
The dog part of "raccoon dog" is more accurate, actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:34:08 No.54323805 Report

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>>54323748
No. Tanuki are canidae, which means they're a type of dog/fox/wolf, while racoons are procyonidae (a family consisting of racoons, ringtails, and a few animals nobody cares about like coati). Tanuki are just called "racoon dogs" in the west because they're essentially wild dogs with the coloration of a racoon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:40:05 No.54323838 Report

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Maybe not. It being a single stage evolution would really hammer home how awful and forgettable it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:45:55 No.54323875 Report

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>>54323748
Raccoons are native to the Americas. Tanuki are native to Asia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:50:22 No.54323919 Report

Quoted By: >>54324166

>>54322623
And no Pokemon Direct for it? Suuuure thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:55:13 No.54323953 Report

Quoted By: >>54323962 >>54323999 >>54324073 >>54324690

>>54323252
No? Convergent evolution is when something develops physical characteristics that are useful to a species in the environment it lives in. But it has absolutely nothing to do with clades or historical evolutionary families. It can be all sorts of shit that never popped up prior in its evolutionary history. Stuff like fins or wings or body shapes are all free game, so long as they benefit a species living in that environment and allow it to live easily, typically due to an open niche it's taken over. Case and point: Picrel is a reptile, not a fish. Bats aren't birds, whales also aren't fish, hummingbirds aren't moths, King crabs aren't actually crabs. There's a fuck ton of examples of this. The only real issue I take with stuff like Poltchageist is that it isn't an animal period. I have no idea how a ghost experiences convergent evolution.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:56:14 No.54323962 Report

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>>54323953
Forgot the pic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 20:59:52 No.54323994 Report

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>>54322679
I know it's been three and a half hours since you posted that, but it absolutely needs pointing out again how fucking retarded you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:00:28 No.54323999 Report

Quoted By: >>54324041 >>54324049

>>54323953
>I have no idea how a ghost experiences convergent evolution.
Two completely different species of ghost in differnet parts of the world found it beneficial to possess teaware, so there are two "teaware" ghosts that have nothing to do with each other.

It would be like if a species of octopi started altering their biology to live in used shells like hermit crabs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:02:10 No.54324009 Report

Quoted By: >>54324020 >>54324031

>>54323875
Do they have vultures in asia?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:04:18 No.54324020 Report

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>>54324009
Yes, and they're adorable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:05:25 No.54324031 Report

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>>54324009
Yeah, but all of them are endangered. None of them live in Japan, though. (they do have buzzards)

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:06:47 No.54324041 Report

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>>54323999
You know what? Fair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:08:13 No.54324049 Report

Quoted By: >>54324078 >>54324119

>>54323999
A ghost is a ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:11:12 No.54324073 Report

Quoted By: >>54324083 >>54324724

>>54323953
He's correct, but he's being overly pedantic. All life on Earth is descended from a single common ancestor, so you can find a most recent common ancestor for any two living things. If that most recent common ancestor doesn't share a trait that is shared by both of its descendants, then that's convergent evolution. There are no known cases of convergent evolution involving two unrelated species, because there are no known unrelated species.
However, if we ever encounter life that doesn't share a common ancestor, I expect we'd redefine the term "convergent evolution" to include it, because it's a useful term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:12:03 No.54324078 Report

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>>54324049
No. Some are made from the spirits of dead things, some are lifeforms from a different dimension so they aren't solid compared to the environment they live in, and some just prey upon life energy so they seem unliving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:13:03 No.54324083 Report

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>>54324073
Aliens are not life. If it isn't Earth it isn't good.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:13:51 No.54324092 Report

Quoted By: >>54324146

>>54323748
Raccoons are Mustelids, Tanukis are Canines. They're distantly related, but only as related as a wolf and a seal might be. Tanuki's are basically a species of dog or wolf, not a type of raccoon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:18:11 No.54324119 Report

Quoted By: >>54324221

>>54324049
A Tsukumogami is not a ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:22:31 No.54324146 Report

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>>54324092
Fuck, I meant Musteloid not Mustelid. But I probably should've said Procyonid. I'm having an off day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:25:40 No.54324166 Report

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>>54323919
>a whole direct dedicated to a fucking objectmon nobody cares about getting a convergent line
stop breathing anytime you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:35:43 No.54324221 Report

Quoted By: >>54324332

>>54324119
If you run over one with a train, do you get a tsukumogami ghost that will haunt people and ask where its legs are, violently dismembering them if they are incorrect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 21:54:12 No.54324332 Report

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>>54324221
Well, Tsukumogami don't have legs to begin with. Unless it's a Table Tsukumogami. Or like a chair.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 22:18:39 No.54324492 Report

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>>54321188
Here is your evolution bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 22:45:47 No.54324690 Report

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>>54323953
Go read the definition of convergent evolution again. It is only considered convergent if the trait developed did not appear in the sister clades.

Do you say that tunas and mackerels look similar because of convergent evolution? No because they are close relatives and their shared morphology is parts of inherited traits from their common ancestor.

Based on official source Poltchageist actually share an ecological niche as sinistea so this is the first time we can say that it is a convergent evolution line

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 22:46:56 No.54324698 Report

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its rfake/mememon not convergent

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 22:49:30 No.54324715 Report

Quoted By: >>54324964

>>54323720
Even they realized how hot ass the region was and are trying to messily redeem it. My question is why they aren't giving Kalos the same treatment. Maybe it'll come later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 22:50:49 No.54324724 Report

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>>54324073
Even if we find aliens, all life would still be similar down to element level so depends on how far would you go to define common ancestor (molecular evolution, selective at a genetic level, etc.)

Even if we assume that there is no common ancestor between organisms an Earth and alien life form, any similarity would still be called convergent evolution because no common ancestor = no shared trait in the most common ancestor

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 23:24:36 No.54324964 Report

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>>54324715
Kalos has high density of OP bullshit, so dangerous to fiddle with.

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