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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:09:51 No.54321256 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54321273 >>54321290 >>54321311 >>54321365 >>54321396 >>54321408 >>54321500 >>54321734 >>54321758 >>54322149 >>54322240

Why weren't they just regional variants? Why did fans eat up this dogshit "convergent species" excuse when there's only going to be two with no new additions in the DLC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:11:24 No.54321273 Report

Quoted By: >>54321303

>>54321256
They got tired of the (region name) (pokemon name) naming scheme.

So instead of "kitakami polteagist" they made the "new" poke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:13:12 No.54321290 Report

Quoted By: >>54321299 >>54321315 >>54321317 >>54321574

>>54321256
>Why a mushroom and a jellyfish aren't the same creature?
>Why an eel and a more aren't the same creature?
i don't know have you tried slamming your head on the wall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:13:47 No.54321299 Report

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>>54321290
>more

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:14:05 No.54321303 Report

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>>54321273
That's a logical thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:14:19 No.54321311 Report

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>>54321256
Regional variant
>Tauros is still a bull
>Raichu is still a mouse
>Darmanitan is a still a gorilla
Convergent
>Dugtrio is now some eels
>Tentacruel is now a mushroom

Apart from that they are almost essentially the same except that GF now has an excuse to cut convergent species in the future instead of including them in games with the original form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:14:25 No.54321312 Report

Quoted By: >>54321329

Because it wouldn't make sense in universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:14:37 No.54321315 Report

Quoted By: >>54321324 >>54321390

>>54321290
>why is thing that looks exactly like another thing with small details changed isn't considered a variant?
Yeah, I wonder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:14:49 No.54321317 Report

Quoted By: >>54321322

>>54321290
Why aren't a black tea ghost and a matcha ghost the same creature?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:15:38 No.54321322 Report

Quoted By: >>54321337

>>54321317
Because unlike plteageist the object itself is the pokemon not the liquid inside

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:15:42 No.54321324 Report

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>>54321315
Guess you think that whales are fish and owls are birds

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:16:04 No.54321329 Report

Quoted By: >>54321390 >>54321562

>>54321312
Explain how a fire type pokemon becomes a ice type in another region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:16:43 No.54321337 Report

Quoted By: >>54321401 >>54321414

>>54321322
You dont know that yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:17:45 No.54321348 Report

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I think they just wanted to try something new to fill out the proposal/design document they would have had to put together before the game was developed - something to point to and say 'we're trying something new that can be marketed'. Convergent evolution in-and-of isn't a terrible idea to try and pull off - it's just they weren't super- creative with the execution.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:18:02 No.54321355 Report

Quoted By: >>54321381

This would be considered a convergent species by you guys logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:19:08 No.54321365 Report

Quoted By: >>54321383

>>54321256
>no new additions in the DLC
>Poltchageist revealed today
everyone heckle this man

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:21:05 No.54321381 Report

Quoted By: >>54321392

>>54321355
That's still a fish just like the original

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:21:10 No.54321383 Report

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>>54321365
It better. If it evolves from Sinistea, then no more excuses.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:22:09 No.54321390 Report

Quoted By: >>54321400

>>54321329
Explain why you're on an 18+ website with a 3rd grade education level
>>54321315
>they look similar = they have the same genetic make up

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:22:11 No.54321392 Report

Quoted By: >>54321413

>>54321381
It's a bear trap that lives on land. The original lives in lakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:22:37 No.54321396 Report

Quoted By: >>54321411 >>54321687

>>54321256
could be a few reasons but the answer is probably the most obvious one.

Regional forms dont take up a dex slot, Convergent species can have their own dex slot, and it won't fuck up by having galarian meowth as dex number 52, and it's evolution as 863

My issue with convergent species as a whole is they don't try to fix the stats or change them up so they feel like their own thing. They are literally just regional variants.
If you see a convergent pikachu, it's probably going to look like a pikachu.
You don't get the galarian yamask treatment where it's something entirely new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:23:15 No.54321400 Report

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>>54321390
I didn't know foxes could literally breath fire, dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:23:15 No.54321401 Report

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>>54321337
Yes I do. You should too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:23:38 No.54321404 Report

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why do anything different ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:23:54 No.54321408 Report

Quoted By: >>54321418

>>54321256
Brand new dex entry and evo line > regional form shitmon that will be unobtainable and forgotten in the next game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:24:20 No.54321411 Report

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>>54321396
>My issue with convergent species as a whole is they don't try to fix the stats or change them up so they feel like their own thing. They are literally just regional variants.
hell, even regional variants will usually change up the base stats of their originals
convergents don't even do that much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:24:36 No.54321413 Report

Quoted By: >>54321423

>>54321392
based retard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:24:48 No.54321414 Report

Quoted By: >>54321431 >>54321488 >>54321737

>>54321337
>deny the evidence even when it's in front of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:25:01 No.54321418 Report

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>>54321408
Brand new evo > "not"clones of original pokemon > regional variant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:26:02 No.54321423 Report

Quoted By: >>54322244

>>54321413
cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:27:17 No.54321431 Report

Quoted By: >>54321532

>>54321414
For starters, its a parallel to Sinistea, not Polteageist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:34:47 No.54321488 Report

Quoted By: >>54321532

>>54321414
explain why this would not work as a split evolution where sinistea fully possesses the object instead of simply living in it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:36:04 No.54321500 Report

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>>54321256
I assume convergents exist so Gamefreak can both go wild with new things for old Pokemon without them being the same species and so they don't have to be stuck in one region 90% of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:40:06 No.54321531 Report

Quoted By: >>54321584

>regional variant
>just old pokemon with a different coat of paint
>convergent form
>just old pokemon with a different coat of paint AND different label to it
>paradox pokemon
>just old pokemon with a different coat of paint, label AND it's based on dinosaurs and robots
What's next?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:40:10 No.54321532 Report

Quoted By: >>54321552 >>54321595

>>54321431
Ok and?
>>54321488
Why a liquid ghost would evolve into an objectmon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:43:29 No.54321552 Report

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>>54321532
Why a liquid would evolve into dust to begin with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:45:04 No.54321562 Report

Quoted By: >>54321581

>>54321329
Well a species of pokémon can change type through adaptation but can not completely change the species itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:46:41 No.54321574 Report

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>>54321290
Similarly tea and matcha powder are different things, although both are ghosts

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:47:33 No.54321579 Report

Quoted By: >>54322208 >>54322886

WTF BROS, why did gayfreak make these into individual pokemon instead of making them forms?! I'm LITERALLY shaking and crying right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:49:05 No.54321581 Report

Quoted By: >>54321588

>>54321562
Why would a fire type need to adapt in a region that's not even cold?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:49:08 No.54321584 Report

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>>54321531
Alter Pokemon
>Dude what if old pokemon but with black and white colors and they're evil too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:50:02 No.54321588 Report

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>>54321581
Idk, what it matters is that it just did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 14:51:10 No.54321595 Report

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>>54321532
are you stupid
ghosts possessing objects is a concept so basic we have dozens of pokemon illustrating it
why would sinistea be incapable of having any sort of hypothetical evolution where it utilizes that ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 15:06:22 No.54321687 Report

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>>54321396
By that logic there should have been a convergent Mankey & Primape to not have a dex difference with Annihilape

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 15:13:11 No.54321734 Report

Quoted By: >>54321751

>>54321256
It’s so they can show up with less explanation in future titles, any other answer is autism. They realized they fucked themselves over by creating versions of Exeggutor, Marowak, Raichu, etc that sparked new popularity but then inherently gatekept them to a singular region, so now they’ve had to do gay shit like events and NPC gifts in order to obtain them in new games. With these “convergent” or whatever the fuck GF will end up calling them, you can just have Wiglett or Poltchageist show up in the wild in Gen 10 or Gen 33 without bending over backwards, because nothing of their design or lore is inherent to Gen 9. It’s just a way to make the variant concept more futureproof, the real question is whether or not they’ll retcon the old Gen 7 / Gen 8 variants into “convergent” or something adjacent. Wild Alola forms in the DLC make it seem like they’re heading that direction, no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 15:14:17 No.54321737 Report

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>>54321414
both shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 15:16:56 No.54321751 Report

Quoted By: >>54323014

>>54321734
Like how they retconned Nidoran male and female into taking up one dex number instead of being gender differences right anon? The answer is that there is no logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 15:17:35 No.54321758 Report

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>>54321256
I’m just pissed that they just intentionally do is for the Pokémon nobody gives a fuck about instead of all the popular ones that actually would benefit from this kind of shit. The fact that it’s been a decade since they’ve been doing this crap and they haven’t even touched Pokémon like Dragonite already proves my damn point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 16:12:46 No.54322149 Report

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>>54321256
What the fuck do you want us to do? protest and boycott?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 16:22:20 No.54322208 Report

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>>54321579
IT DOESNT COUNT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 16:27:15 No.54322240 Report

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>>54321256
Regional variants a concept that threatens longterm branding. In another generation you will have new fans who do not know or care what Alola is. Less in-universe context = good for brand. Convergents let them reuse designs/have cute nods to existing fans without needing to add a meaningless phrase like Alolan/Galarian/Paldean before the Pokemon's name. I expect them to phase out variants over time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 16:28:08 No.54322244 Report

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>>54321423
Idiot. Region forms still have slightly different ecological niches to their originals, the change in environment isn't what makes the difference it's the change in species (Mole to Eel or Jellyfish to Mushroom). Stunfisk is still a catfish, but instead of living in water and using camouflage and electricity to predate, it has evolved spikes (as it's now a steel type) to ambush prey on land instead. Stop being dumb.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:39:55 No.54322743 Report

Quoted By: >>54322762

>tfw you lived long enough to see people went from defending and praising regional variants to wanting them replaced

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:41:51 No.54322762 Report

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>>54322743
contrarianism is a disease, and /vp/ is dying from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 17:57:42 No.54322886 Report

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>>54321579
I know this is a bit, but I despise a good majority of these designs, save for the nidos and latis. Even then, I do think making both nidos separate species was kind of dumb in hindsight, since they’re the only Pokémon separated by species gender now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Aug 2023 18:17:57 No.54323014 Report

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>>54321751
They will never change the original 151 beyond stuff like retyping or new moves

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