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Smogon is slowly dying

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:22:47 No.54382870 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54383858 >>54384389 >>54384435 >>54384997 >>54385030 >>54385120 >>54385152 >>54385550 >>54385586

Besides OU and VGC, most tiers have hundreds of accounts on the leaderboard that are 1500. This means that basically no one plays these tiers.
OTOH, VGC is getting more popular on showdown. The decline of smogon is inevitable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:23:10 No.54382877 Report

Quoted By: >>54382913

? post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:23:50 No.54382883 Report

Quoted By: >>54384482

Good, it should die. The official and best format is doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:25:53 No.54382913 Report

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>>54382877
1700

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:26:49 No.54382928 Report

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Good, fuck smogon, they always try to ban different ways of playing and they over regulated competative battling rules because they consider it cheating or underhanded. They even tried to ban toxic protect sets.

The sooner sogon stops being recognised as the authority of competative Pokemon the better.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:32:08 No.54383005 Report

Quoted By: >>54384936

I will attach proof from the ladders, this one is UU.
Smogon has decay for accounts (lose rating if you don't play over time) over 1500. So this means that essentially half the leaderboard doesn't play the tier anymore.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 05:34:59 No.54383044 Report

Quoted By: >>54384936

This is from RU.
The only tiers that don't have a lack of players shown through stagnant leaderboards are the Random Battle tiers and OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 08:20:25 No.54383858 Report

Quoted By: >>54385141

>>54382870
>bans Diglett
>refuses ban Lando
Smogon is retarded and people are getting tired of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 08:43:12 No.54383917 Report

Quoted By: >>54383941

The DLC isn't out yet. It will pick up again once Teal Mask comes out and then even more after DLC2 which will complete Gen 9

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 08:49:07 No.54383941 Report

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>>54383917
For like a day and then it'll die off again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 09:01:26 No.54383966 Report

Quoted By: >>54384704

Old gens always had lower peaks. As someone who's fucked with RU in the past you'd get in the Top 500 with what, 1300? And the peak wasn't particularly high either.
For shame because these metas can often be rather fun, at least the older Gens. DPP UU is a gem of a tier with a solid foundation with many cracks that let a lot of mons find a niche granted you can justify them.
I don't really care for VGC myself however I do think it falls more in line with the current means of consuming online multiplayer titles. The constant shift of ruleset enabling X or Y keeps things fresh. I'm not saying OU should do this, however its unchanging structure in an era of multiplayer titles battling for player retention through constant updates and such plays against it a little. This is especially important since i'd assume most of the new blood hopping on Showdown is rather young. Older crowds may be wiser to avoid diving into the Pokémon cult again and maybe they'll set their sights elsewhere since they've (hopefully) played more in their time than just Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:25:10 No.54384389 Report

Quoted By: >>54384439

>>54382870
The game has been out for 10 months and they still haven't made sprites for the majority of the mons on Showdown.
I know that's probably not what's keeping people away, but it speaks to how even the "masterminds" behind Smogon don't give a shit anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:36:32 No.54384435 Report

Quoted By: >>54384986

>>54382870
Because this generation sucks absolute shit with Tera and how their ruleset dictates itself (See Houndstone v Last Respect). And it doesn't help that fags like Finch spend more time autistically posting food he's eating on Twitter rather than actually addressing nuanced bans. Kingambit or hell even Volcarona wouldn't have dealt with massive flak if we at least knew what Tera they could go into.

Nobody wants to play tiers where someone can surprise buttfuck you with a random Tera and surprise sweep an entire game. That's why Gen 3 and 4 OU remains to be a lot more tolerable than 8~9's metagames.

Fuck Smogon
Fuck Finch
Fuck Tera not being suspected
And most importantly fuck Smofags

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:36:51 No.54384439 Report

Quoted By: >>54384445

>>54384389
Smogon seems to have been losing "staff" since gen 7 ended. They still haven't fully updated Showdown with the new model rips and it takes them forever to finish a strategy page which makes it worthless since it'll be outdated by the time it's done.
Several gen 8 pages are still unfinished, including analyses for OU mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:38:04 No.54384445 Report

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>>54384439
Also ZU pages are mostly just (Don't use X Pokemon), which okay fair, nobody plays ZU, but at least make an effort to actually elaborate on team sets in the tier jfc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:38:52 No.54384449 Report

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Good. We dont want nor need groomers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:44:53 No.54384482 Report

Quoted By: >>54384501

>>54382883
>a fan made format that has their own rules should die because i’m a spiteful faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:49:42 No.54384501 Report

Quoted By: >>54384970 >>54385487

>>54384482
>*a fanfic format that was made by retards that don't know how to balance a meta or curb their own biases should die because even bigger retards will try to talk about this fanfic format like it actually matters
fify

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 11:52:57 No.54384510 Report

Quoted By: >>54384704

I remember spending a lot of time in their Wi-Fi section during Gen 6. Made some online friends, had a great time. Place was full of players to trade and battle with.
Place is dead as fuck now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 12:51:51 No.54384704 Report

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>>54383966
You make an interesting point about VGC. I think the rotating format does make it more interesting for the players.
>>54384510
Yes this is another important points, the rooms are very clearly dying. People are also shifting to discord.

Admittedly I am confused as to why Smogon is showing signs of decay. There's been the whole nuzlocke boom + more uptick in VGC that feels like it should've trickled into singles. It does make sense seeing the amount of singles players starting to branch out into VGC though, they are seeing the signs on the walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:02:31 No.54384936 Report

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>>54383005
>>54383044
bro who gives a shit about any tier below OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:10:11 No.54384970 Report

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>>54384501
>people made fan made format
>other people like rules of fan made format and agree to play by those rules
>eventually gains a decent sized playerbase and an active community
>but because it’s not the official format it’s bad and a “fanfic” format
Nigga no one is forcing you to play OU, go play cart if you don’t like Smogon rulesets, fucking dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:13:33 No.54384986 Report

Quoted By: >>54385011 >>54385167

>>54384435
Only cowards and losers want Tera banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:15:27 No.54384997 Report

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>>54382870
>Caring about competitive wankery
Good fucking riddance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:19:24 No.54385011 Report

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>>54384986
I didn't say Tera should be banned. Only a retard would want to ban a mechanic like this.

I'm saying we SHOULD at least SUSPECT it into team preview territory. There shouldn't be any reason for setup sweepers to claim free reign with a free get out of jail surprise typing. So we can accommodate against any bullshit Teras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:23:08 No.54385030 Report

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>>54382870
Modern OU is fucking AIDS so I hope it dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:42:52 No.54385120 Report

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>>54382870
Gen 9 OU is fucking dogshit, not that surprising

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:46:35 No.54385141 Report

Quoted By: >>54385508

>>54383858
Doesn't your metagame ban Cosmog?

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Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:49:00 No.54385152 Report

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>>54382870
This is what they get for keeping Protean nerfed instead of reverting it back to pre-nerf state.
Eat shit Smogon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 14:51:14 No.54385167 Report

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>>54384986
Not saying Tera should be banned but it’s a really flawed system when many busted Pokémon were designed around their type weakness and suddenly being able to get rid of their one drawback. Like tell me anything about Calryx Shadow is fair with Tera?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:38:21 No.54385487 Report

Quoted By: >>54385527

>>54384501
you know the playerbase is who votes on the rules, right? you're a vocal minority

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:42:21 No.54385508 Report

Quoted By: >>54385574

>>54385141
VGC doesn't have a ban list, it has a whitelist. There is a list of legal Pokemon you can choose from, and you have to make a team from that list. It's a puzzle, "who do I do the best I can using just the tools available." The whitelist grows as a generation goes on. This is different from a banlist in that as a generation goes on, the list of allowed Pokemon goes down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:44:50 No.54385527 Report

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>>54385487
yea people act like like 5 people run smogon when bans are based on majority community votes. Dynamax’s ban was a super majority vote. And is the reason Tera wasn’t banned. Yes bans can be reevaluated later but admins aren’t gonna keep rehosting the same ban until they get the result they want. Ladder stats are almost decided by usage rating and Uber “bans” are done by voting.
Quick bans are the exception but those are for times when something is obviously gonna be voted for a ban and the quickban is so people don’t have to wait two weeks, then the community can vote to keep it banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:47:40 No.54385550 Report

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>>54382870
It takes a long time to find a monotype match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:51:28 No.54385574 Report

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>>54385508
Smogon doesn’t have a banlist, people act like Ubers is the banlist but it’s just a different tier. Being banned from a lower tier and having different tiers allows shitmons to have a place to shine without being curbstomped by objectively better pokemon. It’s also why we have cases of some PU tier pokemon being amazing in Uber thanks to an environment allowing it to take advantage of it’s tools better.
People misuse the meaning of smogon bans. Lando isnt too powerful for OU despite it’s usage. Diglett encouraged degenerate strats with arena trap and it’s why shadow tag gets banned every gen.

And im not dissing VGC, I actually like both systems. But VGC usually gets centralized by objectively good pokemon. Remember those 2015 VGC finals teams? Yes off meta tech choices can win too, Pachirisu filling a niche designed to counter people’s counter to Amoogus

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Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:53:38 No.54385586 Report

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>>54382870
make it die faster

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Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 15:55:26 No.54385601 Report

Quoted By: >>54385646 >>54385663

>fun pokémon like volcarona and rape ape banned
>moves banned
>plus the worst dex in the series

i'm fucking tired of walking wake and gholdengo in every fucking team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 16:03:11 No.54385646 Report

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>>54385601
Oh no anon, did you think you'd be able to break through stall? That's illegal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Sep 2023 16:06:21 No.54385663 Report

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>>54385601
Theyre not banned jackass

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