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Post truths that Discord raiders don't like

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:40:52 No.54420011 View View Reply Original Report

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>First mainline game to not feature the National Dex
>First mainline game to have no dungeons
>First mainline game to not have HMs
>First mainline game to not have the bike
>First mainline game to not let you fish anywhere
>First mainline game to be gimmick-centric
>First mainline game that pandered to Kanto
>First mainline game to hamfist Charizard into the story even if it's not in the dex
>First mainline game to feature map markers to show you where to go in an already linear game, and the block off any other path that isn't a total dead end to force you to go that way

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:42:41 No.54420025 Report

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the Battle Frontier objectively has more content than the Battle Maison, even the Gen 4 version

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:44:20 No.54420041 Report

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> this is a discord raider thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:45:01 No.54420044 Report

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>>54420041
nope, they’re currently on Unova again

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:45:28 No.54420048 Report

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>>54420011
>First mainline game to not feature the National Dex
SHITnova already ruined the dex by injecting 156 james turner abominations
>First mainline game to have no dungeons
SHITnova already neutered and retard-proofed all dungeons
>First mainline game to not have HMs
SHITnova already neutered HMs
>First mainline game to not let you fish anywhere
SHITnova already neutered the fishing rods by locking it to post-game
>First mainline game to be gimmick-centric
SHITnova already did this with dream world
>First mainline game that pandered to Kanto
SHITnova and SHATlos already did this by copying KANTOOO
>First mainline game to hamfist Charizard into the story even if it's not in the dex
CHARIZARD BRIDGE FROM SHITnova
>First mainline game to feature map markers to show you where to go in an already linear game, and the block off any other path that isn't a total dead end to force you to go that way
SHITnova already retard-proofed the map by making it a fucking circle

Crying about your imaginary discord bogeyman doesn't mean gen v didn't already have most of this garbage

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:47:11 No.54420062 Report

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>>54420011
I never played sun n moon despite being a hawaiifag

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:48:02 No.54420069 Report

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>>54420048
>the entire game of BW revolves around the Dream World, which doesn’t even exist anymore
interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 19:48:52 No.54420077 Report

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>>54420011
Lol is this the thread that caused so much seething towards Gen V?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:33:05 No.54420380 Report

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>>54420077
nope, the Gen 5 hate spam has started up again for about a week now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:39:23 No.54420436 Report

Quoted By: >>54420516 >>54420872

>>54420011
>First mainline game to have no dungeons
Why lie?
>First mainline game to not have the bike
Who cares?
>First mainline game to not let you fish anywhere
so what?
>First mainline game to be gimmick-centric
That's gen 6
>First mainline game that pandered to Kanto
That's Gen 2.
>First mainline game to hamfist Charizard into the story even if it's not in the dex
Gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:49:50 No.54420516 Report

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>>54420436
Not him gen 6 megas were pretty limited, it's gen 7 and onwards when everyone and their mother uses a gimmick, in gen 6 only the Champion, the rival and the main antagonist used megas, gen 2 was an expansion of gen 1 so calling it Kanto pandering is retarded (but I agree gen 7 wasn't the first doing it) and Charizard IS in the Kalos dex (just like all Kanto starters) but NOT in the Kalos story, you can play the entire game without even seeing it, or knowing it exist, while Alola forces it upon you as Fly HM replacement

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:53:06 No.54420533 Report

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>>54420011
>>First mainline game to have no dungeons
there's Haina Desert and Vast Poni Canyon. USUM improves Mount Lanakila (it has trainers now for instance while it didn't in SM) which also adds Rainbow Rocket Castle

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:54:16 No.54420538 Report

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>>54420516
Fly isn't a requirement to beat the game. it's optional fast travel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:57:39 No.54420560 Report

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>>54420538
To call Fly not a requirement is like calling every pokemon but the starter not a requirement. The only way you can possibly experience that is by purposelly challenging yourself, there's not a single intended playthrought where you don't see Charizard in SM/USUM, it's something the devs wanted for all of us to see.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 20:59:13 No.54420570 Report

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>First mainline game to not have HMs
/vp/ didn’t notice this in SwSh. Thanks gen 7, your games rock!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:05:26 No.54420600 Report

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>>54420048
>Unova already ruined the dex by injecting 156 James Turner abominations
First off, he only designed 7. This means he WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF IT.
Secondly, the game unlocks the nat. dex after you beat the champion, which means that no, Unova does infact, by definition, have the national dex.
The first game without a national dex is Ruby and Sapphire, rectified in Emerald.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:07:07 No.54420609 Report

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>>54420600
RS does have a national dex, but you need to unlock it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:08:44 No.54420616 Report

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>>54420609
The national dex is the post-game, where you can find Pokemon that weren't there in your first go through of every location. For example, where you would've fished up Basculin in Pokemon Black and White, you'll be able to encounter Luvdisc in the post game.
Famously, RS didn't have this, resulting in the development and release of Pokemon Colosseum to patch the gap while Emerald was developed.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:11:42 No.54420636 Report

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>>54420048
Jeet is instantly MALDING. KWAB

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:21:06 No.54420707 Report

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>>54420636
Why would anyone be malding? Half of these points aren't even correct.
James Turners made 7 Pokemon for Unova, and had a total career of 11 Pokemon for the entirety of the series. Mana Ibe made way more for Pokemon Black than any other confirmed person.
Dungeons are semi-correct, but there were still fucking puzzles for the dungeons. Floating stones, anyone?
HMs is completely correct, though at least they saw great use in battle.
Fishing rods are correct, there's no denying that.
Dreamworld is literally just a Flash-rebranding of the Pokewalker from Gen 4, so if anything, Sinnoh should be given that honor of being gimmick central.
Unova took inspiration from, but didn't copy Kanto. Yes, there's bats, and horses, and dogs, but guess what Japan and the United States share? They're not even remotely similar. Hell, even the obligatory Pikachu clone is a flying squrriel, with the only thing giving it away was the yellow cheeks.
Charizard bridge is a non-sequitur because it's ONE off-handed reference by an NPC in an entire region. The bridge isn't even named that by the game itself, preferring just "Driftveil Bridge."
You can't even access half the circle during the main game, and there's at least 2 optional side paths for every route, barring the first 3.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:24:10 No.54420737 Report

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>>54420616
>Famously, RS didn't have this, resulting in the development and release of Pokemon Colosseum to patch the gap while Emerald was developed.
Yeah let's pretend FRLG wasn't released before Emerald and added plenty of mons to trade with for RS.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:25:58 No.54420754 Report

Quoted By: >>54420837 >>54420867

>>54420737
Okay, and? RS still doesn't have the national dex. It has the full dex, which is more than what I can say for modern Pokemon, but not the national dex.
Actually, that's probably WHY FRLG was even developed. Colosseum certainly focused heavily on Gen 2 Pokemon, so FRLG focusing on Gen 1 would mean that the "complete" dex would be available, even without a national dex.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:33:23 No.54420811 Report

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>>54420707
>11 Pokemon for the entirety of the series
37. He made 37. I misunderstood the organization system I was looking at. That is entirely my bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:38:09 No.54420837 Report

Quoted By: >>54420914

>>54420754
The National Dex is literally in the game. You unlock it with trading with FRLG or Emerald.
If your point is that you cannot obtain every Pokémon in the National Dex without trading with other games beyond the paired version then that's true for every version besides Kanto in Gen I.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:42:54 No.54420867 Report

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>>54420754
not that anon but the nat dex in ruby and sapphire can be unlocked by trading from firered/leafgreen/emerald. I know this because I done it on my ruby save.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:43:14 No.54420872 Report

Quoted By: >>54420951

>>54420436
>including Kanto and Kanto evolutions when it’s the second game in the series is somehow Kanto pandering
>because I don’t like the caves in Gens 5 and 6 they don’t count as caves

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:53:50 No.54420914 Report

Quoted By: >>54420994

>>54420837 >>54420867
I think there's been a miscommunication
The game calls two separate events the "national dex". The first of the two events is the unlocking of EVERY Pokedex entry. I call this the full dex personally.
The other event, which I keep calling the national dex in this thread, is the event where Pokemon that were previously impossible to catch prior to the champion's defeat are now populating routes you've already visited. An example of this is Volbeat and Illumise in Route 3 of Unova, which you can only possibly encounter in the post-game.
I should probably have clarified, and not used the term in a confusing manner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 21:59:53 No.54420951 Report

Quoted By: >>54420987 >>54421009

>>54420872
>including Kanto and Kanto evolutions when it’s the second game in the series is somehow Kanto pandering
It's Kanto pandering because the game forsakes a lot of its own identity to wank Kanto.
>because I don’t like the caves in Gens 5 and 6 they don’t count as caves
No, im saying ti because they are straight lines, which is the metric we are using to crap on Galar. Chargestone cave is a cutscene simulator.
Twist Mountain is legit tho.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:04:41 No.54420987 Report

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>>54420951
>Chargestone
Chargestone cave at least had a puzzle, and did have SOME variation to its path. Galar Cave is just ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:05:58 No.54420994 Report

Quoted By: >>54421005

>>54420914
That's not what anyone means when they refer to the National Dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:07:49 No.54421005 Report

Quoted By: >>54421053

>>54420994
What the fuck else am I supposed to call it? Route repopulation? Sounds too clinical!
It only happens when the full dex is unlocked in literally any other game, because that's like half the point of the full dex - to catalog out-of-region Pokemon you DIDN'T transfer over but caught in a route you revisited.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:08:13 No.54421009 Report

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>>54420951
Are you trying to say that the reason Johto is “bland” is because of Team Rocket?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:17:19 No.54421053 Report

Quoted By: >>54421125

>>54421005
>to catalog out-of-region Pokemon you DIDN'T transfer over but caught in a route you revisited.
Why on earth does it matter if you catch them on a route you visited or post-game route? There is no point in such a distinction.

Either way, I fail to see the point of the argument. I'm pretty sure you cannot catch any Pokémon in XY outside of the regional dexes, but those are massive on their own, and the remaining ones are still available through transfer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:25:41 No.54421125 Report

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>>54421053
>There is no point in such a distinction.
Let me rephrase:
>to catalog previously out-of-region Pokemon you didn't transfer over, but caught in game.
Post game routes make up 1/3rd of Unova so I was intentionally sidestepping them.

>Either way, I fail to see the point of the argument
I was pointing out that Unova had the nat. and full dex, and therefore categorically WAS NOT the first to lack them, contrary to the very first claim. By technicality, Ruby and Sapphire were the first to not have a Nat. dex, only a full dex.
And then I was sarcastically told that my argument was moot because you could trade Pokemon in from completely separate games, and also Emerald(of which, Emerald was even in my original argument.)

>I'm pretty sure you cannot catch any Pokémon in XY outside of the regional dexes
Well, the friend safari exists so it also has a nat. dex by my definition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:31:28 No.54421175 Report

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>>54420987
Galar Cave would be fine imo if we didn't delete random encounters to appease anti-RPGfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:32:18 No.54421181 Report

Quoted By: >>54421891

>>54421125
>By technicality, Ruby and Sapphire were the first to not have a Nat. dex, only a full dex.
By your definition of a Nat. Dex it didn't even exist until FRLG. Gen I and Gen II had the Pokédex and the New Pokédex, which all Pokémon included in them.

RS coined the term Nat Dex, and it was specifically for all Pokémon, including those you could not catch in that region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Sep 2023 22:32:36 No.54421182 Report

Quoted By: >>54421902

>>54421009
No. I personally don't even find johtho "bland". I'm just being consistent about the criticism, unovabort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:23:21 No.54421891 Report

Quoted By: >>54423145 >>54423419 >>54426080 >>54426324

>>54421181
>By your definition of a Nat. Dex it didn't even exist until FRLG. Gen I and Gen II had the Pokédex and the New Pokédex, which all Pokémon included in them.
My definition is literally calling the ability to catch Kanto-mons you can't find in Johto the national dex, what the actual fuck are you on about?
>RS coined the term Nat Dex, and it was specifically for all Pokemon, including those you could not catch in that region
Then what do you call the ability to catch new Pokemon in old routes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:26:34 No.54421902 Report

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>>54421182
so your problem is that Johto “Kanto panders” by having a lot of Kantomons in the wild and not enough Johto mons on Gym Leaders
for the record I don’t count Sinnoh’s shitty mon selection as Kanto pandering

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:33:23 No.54421941 Report

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>last mainline game to have all the available mons coded in
>poni canyon
>"hms le good hurr durr"
>riding on the mons was comfy and kino
>still has fishing
>?
>xy never existed in your parallel dimension huh
>charizard bridge, charmander starter in kalos, mega charizawd x/y
>map was actually cool, yoy have to be a complete retard to not like it
seethe :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:34:28 No.54421949 Report

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>>54420048
kek based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:34:58 No.54421952 Report

Quoted By: >>54421988 >>54423895

>>54420011
Sun and Moon is good

Pros
>amazing designs overall
>ok starter trio for all sorts of tastes
>good story
>rotomdex
>they finally got rid of HMs
>best character movement
>good enviroments
>finally decided to shake things up with the gyms and the champion

Cons
>ITS SO FUCKING SLOW
>LET ME PLAY THE GAME ITS GOOD LET ME PLAY IT
>holds your hand way too much
>JESUS I DONT CARE ABOUT THIS SHIT LET ME ADVANCE!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:37:36 No.54421971 Report

Quoted By: >>54423427

>>54420011
>First mainline game to not have HMs
This is a good thing
>First mainline game that pandered to Kanto
Straight up false

The games still kinda suck though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:39:51 No.54421988 Report

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>>54421952
>rotomdex
>good
fuck no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 00:44:08 No.54422012 Report

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>>54420011
you can catch Charmander from the island scanner who cares if it doesn't have a dex entry. You can't catch Pikachu in BW/B2W2 even though it appears in Nimbasa and Castelia

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 05:34:08 No.54423145 Report

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>>54421891
> My definition is literally calling the ability to catch Kanto-mons you can't find in Johto the national dex, what the actual fuck are you on about?
They’re all part of the same Pokédex anon. Gen II does not make a difference between Houndour and any Gen I Pokémon only found in Kanto. RS also has a few fen III Pokèmon only found in the postgame like Lati@s.
>What do you call it
Certainly not the game having the Nat. Dex, which is a clearly defined thing which you should have been aware of when you replied to OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 07:06:56 No.54423419 Report

Quoted By: >>54423607

>>54421891
>My definition is
Headcanon. Your definition is headcanon. The national dex is what it is. A dex with all of the Pokemon in it to log your progress collecting them.
Gen 7 removed that, and it was the catalyst to removing transfers which a GEN 7 GAME still started with the remake, LGPE, which Sun and Moon were already gearing up for with the addition of Alola forms and unused GO cross compatibility.
It started in Gen 7. Gen 8 doesn't get a pass for enabling it further like it did all the other awful trends Gen 7 pioneered. Had the series kept going the same direction BW2 set we wouldn't even be having this discussion because maybe everything that came after would be GOOD.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 07:09:16 No.54423427 Report

Quoted By: >>54424262

>>54421971
>This is a good thing
Gen 7's remake handled removing HMs better by making them Secret Techniques. There is zero reason they couldn't have done that from the start.
>Straight up false
No other games in the series calls attention to Kanto more specifically and out of context than the Alola and Galar duology. Pandering in this context is when they started using the magic K region as a buzzword.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 08:23:01 No.54423607 Report

Quoted By: >>54424163

>>54423419
the inclusion of a national dex is redundant when the shiny dex is given for completing the regional dex and pokemon can be stored and viewed in a online database. With the number of pokemon and game scope increasing each game you can't expect them to code in dex entries and data and 1000+ pokemon. The band-aid needed to be ripped off sooner than later. I can't think of anything special regarding the national dex besides the completion certificate and dex entries which are nothing special and weird to obsess over. Tell me if I am missing something obvious. Gen 7 and 8 receive the most hate for removing these features underservingly when the cogs were shifting for this to happen long before their development.
>like it did all the other awful trends Gen 7 pioneered
can you list these trends I don't know what you're referring to
>Had the series kept going the same direction BW2 set we wouldn't even be having this discussion because maybe everything that came after would be GOOD.
Can you explain what you mean here? What direction did they set the series on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 10:08:20 No.54423829 Report

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>>54420011
worst games in the series as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 10:11:19 No.54423839 Report

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>>54420048
no it improved the dex you gay CUNT go stick your head in a fucking blender

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 10:12:48 No.54423842 Report

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>>54420062
you're not missing much

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 10:14:34 No.54423847 Report

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This
Don't even need to post a diss comment on it. Just look at it. It disses itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 10:18:16 No.54423858 Report

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>>54420570
nah gen 7s games suck balls

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 10:30:45 No.54423895 Report

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>>54421952
no it really isn't its the worst games in the series

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 11:27:55 No.54424163 Report

Quoted By: >>54424251

>>54423607
> I can't think of anything special regarding the national dex besides the completion certificate and dex entries which are nothing special and weird to obsess over.
Yeah, imagine caring about collecting monsters in a monster raising game, and not having to pay a subscription to read the Dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 11:48:13 No.54424242 Report

Quoted By: >>54424378

>>54420011
>First mainline game to not feature the National Dex
Incorrect, while SMUSUM did lack the Natdex as a feature, it still did have all the pokemon available in the game, which was the point of the Natdex to begin with. SWSH was the first game to not have the dex and have all the pokemon available to catch
>First mainline game to have no dungeons
False, SMUSUM have multiple dungeons in the game. You would know if you actually bothered playing the games instead of starting shitty discord genwars
>First mainline game to not have HMs
And this is supposed to be a bad thing?
>First mainline game to not have the bike
Which was not removed but replaced
>First mainline game to not let you fish anywhere
But you can still fish and arguably this mechanic was perfected here because the new fishing mechanics make it so that you will more efficiently find what you're looking for
>First mainline game to be gimmick-centric
That was XY with Mega evolution
>First mainline game that pandered to Kanto
That was also XY. That game literally had it's first forest map be a copy paste from Kanto and it hands you a Kanto starter less than an hour into the game, among other things. Do you really want to start this shitty argument again lol?
>First mainline game to hamfist Charizard into the story even if it's not in the dex
Remind me again which game hands you a Charmanderino in the first few hours of the game and also gives two gimmick forms to it?
>First mainline game to feature map markers to show you where to go in an already linear game, and the block off any other path that isn't a total dead end to force you to go that way
This is the only true point, and that too, only partially. While it's true that SMUSUM features map markers and a linear design, it is absolutely not the first one to have roadblocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 11:50:58 No.54424251 Report

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>>54424163
>Yeah, imagine caring about collecting monsters in a monster raising game, and not having to pay a subscription to read the Dex.
Remind me again which game allowed you to own all the 807 pokemon at the time it's release in a game? Which game gave brand new dex entries to old pokemon while the previous games recycled the same ones again and again?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 11:53:43 No.54424262 Report

Quoted By: >>54426047

>>54423427
>No other games in the series calls attention to Kanto more specifically and out of context than the Alola and Galar duology
You were saying?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 11:56:51 No.54424275 Report

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Kanto Pandering? Charizard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 12:01:57 No.54424287 Report

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Unova and Kalos are both shit, dummies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 12:20:58 No.54424351 Report

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>>54420048
Not even the entirety of your medicine cabinet can help you, I’m sorry

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 12:23:06 No.54424364 Report

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>>54420011
>>First mainline game to have no dungeons
xy
>>First mainline game to be gimmick-centric
xy
>>First mainline game that pandered to Kanto
xy
>>First mainline game to hamfist Charizard into the story
xy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 12:25:27 No.54424378 Report

Quoted By: >>54424436

>>54424242
>Incorrect, while SMUSUM did lack the Natdex as a feature, it still did have all the pokemon available in the game, which was the point of the Natdex to begin with. SWSH was the first game to not have the dex and have all the pokemon available to catch
Not the OP, but I think this was a precursor to disaster to come. They were testing waters with this and because no one said anything they went with the plan for SwSh. I have no idea why Ohmori hates the idea of Natdex

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 12:37:57 No.54424436 Report

Quoted By: >>54424713 >>54425922

>>54424378
Yes. I remember Masuda said they barely managed to fit all the pokemon in SM and had to sacrifice the dex entries in the natdex because of that. It's somewhat understandable when you're talking about the 3DS and I can even see why they might have had some trouble. But when they moved to the Switch they really had no excuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 13:42:40 No.54424713 Report

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>>54424436
they had no excuse but at the same time it’s obvious, at least in hindsight, that the dex entries being removed was a warning for Dexit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 17:36:42 No.54425922 Report

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>>54424436
But they have SD cards and shit on the switch now, like wtf

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 17:46:31 No.54425992 Report

Quoted By: >>54426046 >>54426340

Pokemon fans fascinate me because imagine trying to make the point that a genuine flaw of Gen 7 is a lack of a bike, when the game had Tauros, which is fundamentally what the bike was for and functions in the exact way the bike has historically. But somehow it's an issue or flaw because it's not a bike specifically?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 17:53:56 No.54426046 Report

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>>54425992
Riding some tauros taxi is shit compared to moving yourself on a bike. It's not complicated and you still couldn't figure that out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 17:54:06 No.54426047 Report

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>>54424262
>You were saying?
No other games in the series call attention to Kanto specifically and more out of context than the Alola and Galar duology. Kanto has literally become a buzzword for new games to throw in instead of doing anything tasteful. All you really posted is just a shit map from a shit game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 17:58:48 No.54426080 Report

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>>54421891
National Pokédex is a proper noun you dumbfuck. It refers to the in-game Pokédex of all known Pokémon. Your definition is just fucking post-game only encounters.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Sep 2023 18:34:02 No.54426324 Report

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>>54421891
>Then what do you call the ability to catch new Pokemon in old routes?
Hordes, Swarms, Phenomena. None of it has anything to do with the National Dex. No one gives a flying fuck what you think it is.
>The National Dex is a National Pokedex
>A Pokedex keeps a record of your Pokemon encounters and catches
>Having all the Pokedex entries is part of the reward of collecting all the Pokemon.
There is no ands ifs or buts. It ended in Gen 7 when they removed the National Dex in Sun and Moon and then foreign region transfers in Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee. People may have coped and thought it was a temporary thing that would just get fixed next entry but it wasn't
>Wait for Gen 8!!
This is what everyone and their mother was saying ever since Sun and Moon. Wait for a post-launch update, wait for the next games that build off the engine, wait for the Switch remake, wait for Gen 8!!!
Gen 7 is definitively the gen that changed the series forever and Gen 8 cemented it. Not even Gen 6, as pitifully awful hackjobs of products those games were, did anything as permanent and drastic to the series as the intentional shift Sun and Moon started.
It goes back immediately as far as 2015. If you don't want to blame SM as the catalyst then there's Pokemon GO, but Gen 7 was literally built to pander to GOfags internally and externally. From the Kanto-only regional forms to the unused GO functionality to the ACTUAL GO functionality in Gen 7's remake. It literally started here. Nowhere else.

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It's not about whether the "fast mount" option is a Bike or a Tauros. It's the fact that we had just gotten a degree of customization on bikes and movement options that felt tight and nice to control.
Gen 7's movement is slow, clunky, and the Tauros/Stoutland rides are even more impersonal and frustrating to use than the bike was. Stoutland was arguably the better mount unless you were in a place you HAD to use Tauros because unlike the bike Tauros made you hold down B.

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