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Gen 3 was a mistake.

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:04:18 No.54452353 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54452380 >>54452383 >>54452385 >>54452465 >>54452506

>killed pokemania
>can't transfer mons from earlier gens
>removed day and night cycle
>first "save the world" bullshit story
>awful music
>awful coloring
>started faggot friendly neighbor rivals
>linear story and handholding
>literal faggot as a champioin
>shitty battle tower clones taped together and called a post-game instead of going back to johto
>piss easy
>started fursuit designs with blaziken and gardevoir
>80% of the region is repetitive water HM routes with tentacool/magikarp spam fuckfests
>horribly designed new mons
>every mon is either OP dogshit like kyogre or total shitmon SFMA
Uh WHORENN sistas........what's our response????

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:06:20 No.54452367 Report

Quoted By: >>54452381 >>54452405

People meme on the "too much water" review, but it actually is a legitimate problem with the game - and probably the most glaring one at that. Why is the last third of the game just open empty space, why didn't the remake fix this, and why do both games get a pass for it?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:07:19 No.54452372 Report

Quoted By: >>54452396

is this where I say "discord thread" ?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:07:33 No.54452374 Report

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This again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:08:40 No.54452380 Report

Quoted By: >>54452397 >>54452411 >>54452431

>>54452353
>killed pokemania
that was gen ii, which also has the worst dex and worst competitive metagame of the classic gens

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:08:42 No.54452381 Report

Quoted By: >>54452387

>>54452367
I think it's just because "too much water" sounds like a ridiculous complaint out of context.
If they had said "too many bland water routes," then nobody could have argued with that or memed with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:09:34 No.54452383 Report

Quoted By: >>54452407 >>54452421

>>54452353
Gen 3 did not kill Pokemania

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/08/14/why-ruby-and-sapphire-were-the-most-challenging-pokemon-to-make.aspx

>The main problem with the game wasn't the technical side, but rather the general opinion surrounding the franchise in the early 2000s. "After Gold and Silver came out, it was a huge hit around the world, but shortly after everyone was saying, 'That’s it. The Pokémon fad is over! It’s dead!'," Masuda says. The games were meant to be the starting line for the next few Pokémon games. "It was a very stressful project, for sure," Masuda says. "When we were first developing it, I had the idea in mind that it would be Ruby and Sapphire, and then the next games, including the titles, would be Diamond and Pearl, and in between we would do the remakes, FireRed and LeafGreen, so we could create this structure where you could take the Pokémon from the Kanto region to the Diamond and Pearl games."

>Just as development began, however, trademark research revealed the names Ruby and Sapphire may not be usable, which would have hobbled plans for the next three games from the beginning. That coupled with the franchise perception made everything more stressful. "At the time, the atmosphere and general thinking was that the Pokémon fad was over and there was huge pressure to prove people wrong," Masuda says. Toy stores that used to be filled with Pokémon toys were clearing out their stock, and when visiting America, Masuda says he noticed that all the Pokémon merchandise, including the unofficial toys featured at mall kiosks, were beginning to disappear. "The next time I visited it was all Star Wars. Everyone was saying it was on a downtrend, the fad’s over and I really felt that pressure to make something amazing," Masuda says.

Pokemania died through natural fad decay after Gen 2, Gen 3 is what proved that Pokemon was more than a fad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:09:37 No.54452385 Report

Quoted By: >>54452425

>>54452353
I love Johto but I can tell you tons of normies bailed during gen 2. by the time the hoenn games came out I remember middle schoolers arguing the series was for tiny children and whatnot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:09:59 No.54452387 Report

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>>54452381
>sounds like
*is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:11:00 No.54452396 Report

Quoted By: >>54452428

>>54452372
no because hoennchads aren't sensitive faggots who need boogeymen to cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:11:01 No.54452397 Report

Quoted By: >>54452411 >>54452425 >>54452433

>>54452380
>that was gen ii
Confirmed zoomer. All of us that were alive between 1996 and 2002 remember that Pokemon was a hype train until RSE came out, which killed Pokemania dead. That's literally the reason Game Freak rushed to put out FRLG in a panic. Gen III killed Pokemania - also confirmed by decline in sales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:12:14 No.54452405 Report

Quoted By: >>54452531

>>54452367
>why do both games get a pass for it?
They didn't. Hoenn was a punching bag for years because of it.
Over the years shitposting moved away from Hoenn but if you were here 2012-2014, Hoennbabies were the biggest punching bags of the entire franchise, hated by Genwunners, Johtoddlers, and Sinnohfetuses equally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:12:33 No.54452407 Report

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>>54452383
>After Gold and Silver came out, it was a huge hit around the world
GSC and RBY confirmed hits, straight from Masuda's mouth. Hoenn killed Pokemania.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:12:46 No.54452411 Report

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>>54452397
>>54452380
Actual brainlets. Pokemon was a trend, and trends don't last forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:15:14 No.54452421 Report

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>>54452383
Based Masuda saved the franchise with the most soulful region to date after Tajiri's FOTM failure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:16:18 No.54452425 Report

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>>54452397
this guy literally preempted you >>54452385

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:16:55 No.54452428 Report

Quoted By: >>54452439 >>54452444

>>54452396
but this is confirmed to be a thread from a faggot who spams various genwars and Nikocado

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:17:15 No.54452431 Report

Quoted By: >>54452453

>>54452380
pokémania was still going strong during gen 2. i would say it started to die sometime during summer 2002, since my cousin's pokemon card collection had stuff from the legendary collection reprint set but not anything from the expedition base set
ruby and sapphire aren't to blame for killing pokémania, but they were the final nail in the coffin

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:17:23 No.54452433 Report

Quoted By: >>54452491 >>54452501

>>54452397
>also confirmed by decline in sales.
like how GSC literally declined in sales and failed to gain more players than the first games RBY?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:18:30 No.54452439 Report

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>>54452428
and hoennchads don't care because hoennchads can defend their favorite gen without resorting to ad hominems, unlike unovabortions

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:18:52 No.54452444 Report

Quoted By: >>54452459 >>54452461

>>54452428
didn't the nikocado guy post his asshole everywhere because he hated genwar threads?
actually wait wasn't that just a sharty raid?
i don't even know anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:20:26 No.54452453 Report

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>>54452431
it depends on how you conceptualize pokemania then
no matter what, gen iii did not kill pokemania, but it did save the franchise from falling into obscurity

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:21:28 No.54452459 Report

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>>54452444
the best thing to do is just to ignore all of it and not play into the schizophrenia surrounding the whole affair

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:21:32 No.54452460 Report

Quoted By: >>54452467 >>54452472

First Unova now Hoenn what generation are they going to start a hate campaign against next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:21:34 No.54452461 Report

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>>54452444
different raider, now we get Nikocado spam combined with genwar posts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:22:18 No.54452465 Report

Quoted By: >>54452470

>>54452353
>started the anthro monsters/creatures designs with blaziken and gardevoir
Yeah and? Still Better than lazy cartoon Animals

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:22:41 No.54452467 Report

Quoted By: >>54452484

>>54452460
anon they’ve been at this since the announcement of BDSP
it’s been Unova, Sinnoh, Johto, Hisui, and occasionally even Alola

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:23:05 No.54452470 Report

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>>54452465
this
and besides, Kanto did it first

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:23:39 No.54452472 Report

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>>54452460
alola, god willing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:26:22 No.54452484 Report

Quoted By: >>54452498 >>54452508

>>54452467
>Alola
You can't start a hate campaign on what's widely believed to be the worst region. It's simply the common consensus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:27:30 No.54452491 Report

Quoted By: >>54452510

>>54452433
>like how GSC literally declined in sales and failed to gain more players than the first games RBY?
That's like saying SMB3 killed off Mario just because it didn't outsell SMB despite the former being unanimously considered better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:28:38 No.54452498 Report

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>>54452484
every region from Gen V onwards is known to be bad / not good, but Unova is the only one with an actual fanbase to have to refute such that reminding everyone how shit it is gets called by them a "hate campaign" (despite the fact it's completely organic and as old as the gen itself)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:29:05 No.54452501 Report

Quoted By: >>54452523

>>54452433
GSC is literally 2nd place after RBY in terms of sales. What are you talking about lmfao

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Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:29:32 No.54452506 Report

Quoted By: >>54452544

>>54452353
To me, the biggest mistake of Gen 3 was the comp crap.

The DV system was already dumb as fuck for a game based on the appeal of making your own ragtag team into champion material, but to buckle down with this this stupid system of IV'S, EV's and Natures (two of which you had no way to change until recent generations) was beyond idiodic.

I'm aware you CAN usually ignore it, but once you know how this works it gets harder to ignore when you know these stupid things are making your pokemon less optimized, and therefore inherently worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:29:53 No.54452508 Report

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>>54452484
Galar is hated more than Alola
anyone who ranks Galar above the bottom is a moron whose opinion doesn’t matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:30:04 No.54452510 Report

Quoted By: >>54452527 >>54452541

>>54452491
>SMB3
You mean Super Mario Bros. 2
SMB3 would be Gen III, obviously

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:31:37 No.54452523 Report

Quoted By: >>54452540

>>54452501
yes, the games lost 8 million sales and failed to gain more sales than the games before it

use your brain retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:31:42 No.54452527 Report

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>>54452510
>Gen 3 is as good as SMB3
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:31:57 No.54452531 Report

Quoted By: >>54452562

>>54452405
In 2012-2014 I couldn't stop shitposting about how BW sucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:33:08 No.54452540 Report

Quoted By: >>54452554

>>54452523
>Gen 2 - down 33% from Gen 1
>Gen 3 - down a whopping 50% from Gen 1

Gen 3 was the Pokemania killer. It makes sense for sales to dip slightly after the height of the fad, but 50% by Gen 3? Holy shit, Gen 3 fucking KILLED Pokemania dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:33:10 No.54452541 Report

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>>54452510
SMB3 outsold SMB2, which wasn't the case for Gen 3 from Gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:33:32 No.54452544 Report

Quoted By: >>54452579

>>54452506
The EV and Nature systems where completely necessary after the stallfest that was the consequence of Gen II / GSC's mechanics

Everything was too bulky and too weak, making progress a total nightmare. The adjustment of Gen III made offense stronger so that defense couldn't dominate as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:35:25 No.54452554 Report

Quoted By: >>54452577 >>54452590

>>54452540
Let me break it down for you retard.

First game: strong sales, decent games, Pokemania
Second game: sales plummet, worse games, kills Pokemania
Third game: sales plummet, victim of previous games' killing of consumer confidence, rebuilds post-pokemania death

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:36:45 No.54452562 Report

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>>54452531
>shitposting
stating facts isn't shitposting

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:39:08 No.54452577 Report

Quoted By: >>54452606

>>54452554
>GSC worst games
Ahhh, there it is, your bias leaked out. Lmao

Here's what actually happened:

>RBY - Pokemania, even normies who don't really like Pokemon are involved, a massive 45mil sales
>GSC - Sheds the fad normies, retains everyone who is based, a slightly less massive 30mil sales, Pokemania is still going
>RSE - Actual fans of the games start to leave because of classic features like day/night cycle being removed and can't trade between Gens anymore, a disappointing 23mil sales, Pokemania is now dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:39:16 No.54452579 Report

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>>54452544
>stallfest that was the consequence of Gen II / GSC's mechanics
Yup, because Game Freak definitely knew about Snorlax's dominance when they were designing RSE before GS even made it out of Japan. Natures are only present to incentivize wasting more of the player's time with RNG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:40:44 No.54452590 Report

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>>54452554
>gens 1 and 2 are bad
>gen 3 is good
why are Hoennfags like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Sep 2023 21:43:12 No.54452606 Report

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>>54452577
>Actual fans of the games start to leave because of classic features like day/night cycle being removed and can't trade between Gens anymore, a disappointing 23mil sales, Pokemania is now dead
I'm all for the anti-Gen 3 narrative, but the day and night cycle not being present is far less concerning to your average normalfag than the Kanto starters being unobtainable without cheating.
You'd never heard of any stories about people getting insulted for playing Pokemon during Gen 2's run unlike with Gen 3's era.

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