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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:10:11 No.54487058 View View Reply Original Report

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the most overrated held item in /vp/ history

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:16:19 No.54487083 Report

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>>54487058
>Seething Porygon3fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:16:50 No.54487087 Report

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>>54487058
no that the choice items

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:17:34 No.54487088 Report

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>>54487058
Assault vest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:18:00 No.54487090 Report

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>>54487058
It's actually an important item though.
What's an item everyone hyped up that nobody ended up using? Can't think of anything off the top of my head.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:22:55 No.54487103 Report

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 13:33:15 No.54487144 Report

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>>54487058
/vp/ is the only place contrarian enough to prefer middle stages. Clinging on to Eviolite is how it copes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:21:26 No.54487349 Report

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>>54487058
Perfect for first stages
Meh on middle stages with a few exceptions
Play the games/skill issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:28:08 No.54487387 Report

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>>54487144
Love me magneton
Love my pg2
nothing will change that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:30:01 No.54487395 Report

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>>54487058
Eviolite should scale up stats to match the final form so you can use lower stages as their evolved forms. Shouldn't be able to be knocked off too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:35:13 No.54487421 Report

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>>54487058
No that’s leftovers
Most people who run leftovers on their mons would benefit more from them holding a sitrus berry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:36:10 No.54487426 Report

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>>54487103
hes so cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:41:15 No.54487446 Report

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>>54487058
you have never battled against an eviolite chansey

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:43:46 No.54487456 Report

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>>54487387
based, magnezone is disgusting
so is magmortar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 14:49:13 No.54487471 Report

Quoted By: >>54489320 >>54489338 >>54491165

>>54487446
Eviolite is literally only good on Chansey and Porygon2. And even Chansey fell off after boots came into existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 17:00:36 No.54488153 Report

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Say that when you find my Sticky Hold Eviolite Gastrodon in 1800 ladder

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 17:04:44 No.54488183 Report

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>>54487395
So basically qny pre-evo would be just like their final form, but without the anility to hold an item because of Eviolite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 19:59:20 No.54489320 Report

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>>54487471
*Dipplin in your path*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:00:49 No.54489338 Report

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>>54487471
It's good on Dusclops too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:03:52 No.54489366 Report

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>>54489320
Dipplin isn't good regardless of held item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:04:03 No.54489369 Report

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>>54487058
Little Cup says hi!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:17:09 No.54489461 Report

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>>54489369
>fanfic meta
yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:22:37 No.54489489 Report

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>>54487387
based
>>54487456
I like Magneton and Magnezone both

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:46:33 No.54489634 Report

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>>54489366
>it's not good because... URGH it just isn't okay?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 20:53:27 No.54489700 Report

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>>54487395
Congrats, you just made it actually useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:01:07 No.54489765 Report

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>>54487421 has a point, Leftover is definitly used as a "Filler Item" by a a lot of people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:02:08 No.54489776 Report

Quoted By: >>54491193

>put evolite on dunsparce
Nothing personal kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:14:43 No.54489857 Report

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>>54487087
I want to agree but they are still like 50% Boosts compared to shit like the Type Items and Wise Glasses just giving 10%. and even Gems got nerfed from 50% to like 30% in spite of only working once and being used up, the move lock isn't THAT bad as a drawback considering that.

Bright Powder honestly is pretty underrated becaus people tend to lean into the "Nothing misses ever and Evasion is Illegal" mentality of Smogon Competitive and in game trainers and mons actually use a lot of moves with pretty shit accuracy to start with which makes it more useful.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:16:17 No.54489870 Report

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>>54487090
Mirror Herb? In battle of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:16:34 No.54489873 Report

Quoted By: >>54489934 >>54490059 >>54490287 >>54490659 >>54494711

The worst part is when a mon gets a shitty crossgen evo and fuckwits automatically go, "UHHHH AT LEAST IT GOT EVIOLITE XDD" when the Pokemon is usually some frail ass bitch that won't get any real use out of it at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:24:02 No.54489934 Report

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>>54489873
that never happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:37:11 No.54490059 Report

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>>54489873
Sounds like skill issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 21:39:32 No.54490079 Report

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>>54489870
It's sometimes useful
I had it on a prankster bulk up thundurus-I and it was funny as shit stealing people's boosts and hitting them with acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 22:04:41 No.54490287 Report

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>>54489873
Better than retards 2 years ago screeching that we'll never get cross-gen evos again because of Eviolite

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 22:23:19 No.54490454 Report

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>>54489369
>LC
>Anything tanking even with Eviolite

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 22:25:32 No.54490468 Report

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>>54487058
Counter point THIS Is the most overrated held item

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 22:28:38 No.54490489 Report

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>>54490468
megabros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 22:45:47 No.54490659 Report

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>>54489873
>Pokemon gets a shitty crossgen evo
>Except it's technically not their evo, but an evo for a regional form so they don't even get an eviolite boost
I hate Mr. Rime so god damned much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:04:28 No.54490805 Report

Quoted By: >>54490885 >>54491450

>>54487421
This is one of the dumbest takes in /vp/ competitive history. Leftovers is a godsend in Pokemon that are meant to stay for a long time in the field. SB offers a one-time 30% recovery, which is outclassed by lefties in only 5 turns, and can't be triggered at will. Leftovers rewards defensive playstyles and is suited for either walls or mons meant to stay for long in the field, while SB is much more situational and usually suits much more fast-paced strategies (or niche ones like Cheek Pouch or Harvest).

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:13:22 No.54490885 Report

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>>54490805
That anon is absolutely retarded and Leftovers is good even in the current game where there are so many obscenely powerful items that it competes with.
That being said Leftovers' introduction in Gen 2 was a bad thing and negatively painted the progression and path of the series from that point on, and the game unironically would probably be better had the item never existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:21:47 No.54490964 Report

Quoted By: >>54491053

>>54489857
if the Type Items did say, a 30% or 50% instead, would there be more sets using those items instead of Leftovers in gen 2?
Bright Powder saved my ass in Stadium 2 at least a couple times. i remeber beating the scientist in Prime Cup because Confuse Ray missed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:25:35 No.54491001 Report

Quoted By: >>54491327 >>54491387

>>54487058
>>54487387
how many NFEs actually have better bulk than their evolutions with Eviolite? wouldn't putting Leftovers on the fully evolved accomplish pretty much the same thing? most fully evolved mons also have higher offensive stats than their prevos too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:26:53 No.54491019 Report

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>>54490885
no it's a good thing the item exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:29:42 No.54491038 Report

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>>54490468
BASED! fuck mega evolutions. they ruined pokemon designs forever. they were a huge mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:31:52 No.54491053 Report

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>>54490964
A 30% boost is what Life Orb does, so yes absolutely you'd see those items run on any number of wall breakers or mons that already have reliable recovery and don't need to tank a million hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:47:05 No.54491165 Report

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>>54487471
Actually really good on Clefairy in VGC as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2023 23:49:34 No.54491193 Report

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>>54489776
Dunsparce being slower tha Dudunsparce meant that never saw any use, Dudunsparce usually have a certain amount of speed EVs to outspeed certain Pokemon after hitting them with Glare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:04:24 No.54491327 Report

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>>54491001
porygon2 has better defenses than z already so evioliting it makes it a whole lot better, but i like that z has its own viability and isnt completely outclassed like dusclops to dusknoir

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:12:27 No.54491384 Report

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>>54491327
yeah but the vast majority of NFEs do not have higher base defenses than their evolved forms. Porygon2 is an anomaly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:13:01 No.54491387 Report

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>>54491001
Most cross-generational evolutions will outbulk their evolution by a fair margin when using eviolite, though that doesn't matter much for mons that are fragile as is like Sneasel and Murkrow. The increased bulk is usually more impactful over the course of a game than the small leftovers contribution, especially if the mon in question has access to other forms of healing.
Generally speaking Pokemon that don't get a noticeable BST boost from evolving are going to be good with eviolite. Dusclops and Porygon 2 are the obvious examples, but you'll even see eviolite work well on Scyther and Ursaring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:15:12 No.54491397 Report

Quoted By: >>54491673

>>54491387
i didn't know people ever considered using Scyther over Scizor when Scizor has the far better typing and priority to make up for slow speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:23:20 No.54491450 Report

Quoted By: >>54494777

>>54490805
A lot of people put leftovers on mons that get 3HKO'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:38:43 No.54491578 Report

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>>54487058
Yeah, I'm getting really tired of seeing retards parade around eviolite. Outside of edge cases like Dusclops, Chansey or Porygon2 most NFEs with eviolite are still inferior to their evolutions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 00:55:03 No.54491673 Report

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>>54491397
Scyther with Eviolite was a valid choice over Scizor in baton pass cores before those were eventually banned, thanks to that speed that you glossed over. And with Dual Wingbeat giving Scyther a legitimate offensive niche over its evo, you'll still sometimes see people run it over Choice Band/Scarf for a more balanced set-up set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 07:09:44 No.54493639 Report

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>>54487058
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 09:20:40 No.54494195 Report

Quoted By: >>54494648

>>54489934
that happens every single generation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:13:52 No.54494648 Report

Quoted By: >>54494884

>>54494195
give me one exemple

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:24:38 No.54494695 Report

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>>54487058
anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:24:53 No.54494696 Report

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>>54490659
This but Sirfetch'd
IT WAS CH'DING'S TIME TO SHINE, DAMN IT;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:25:40 No.54494699 Report

Quoted By: >>54494790

>>54487456
nah you are faggot go stick your head in a fucking blender

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:27:36 No.54494711 Report

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>>54489873
crossgen evolutions are awesome you gay CUNT!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:30:46 No.54494731 Report

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>>54490468
anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:41:49 No.54494777 Report

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>>54491450
>A lot of people put leftovers on mons that get 3HKO'd
A lot of people put CB on mons that get walled or RK'ed, that's a skill issue, not the items fault. We're in a meta where technically every wall can be 3 or even 2HKOd under the right conditions, but that doesn't mean it happens every time (and if your mons meant to stay are dying in 3 turns, maybe it's not Leftovers' fault)

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:44:49 No.54494790 Report

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>>54494699
let me guess, you got those dick sucking lips too? fucking freak, stay away from me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 11:49:50 No.54494817 Report

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>>54494790
no i was batting for Magnezone im neutral on Magmorter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 12:04:38 No.54494884 Report

Quoted By: >>54494963 >>54495472

>>54494648
Bisharp, Primeape, Girafarig, Ursaring. Duraludon joining them soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 12:22:40 No.54494963 Report

Quoted By: >>54495063

>>54494884
Those evos are all great, except for Duraludon's who was already an ugly son of a bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 12:42:24 No.54495063 Report

Quoted By: >>54495071

>>54494963
The evos looking good or bad is subjective.
On the other hand , the existence of shitters trying to push Eviolite on these mons as the next big thing, and then it ending up never working out, is a objective fact. Just look up Eviolite Bisharp on the archives for 2022 if you don't believe me, and as for it not working out the fact that it's RU, not even UU, should be enough proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 12:43:36 No.54495071 Report

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>>54495063
Bisharp has been a genuinely good Pokemon for a long time, the lack of Knock Off really killed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 12:50:19 No.54495113 Report

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>>54490468
More specifically, the ones with X and Y that aren't mewtwo are overrated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 13:53:04 No.54495472 Report

Quoted By: >>54495843

>>54494884
>Primeape
Was genuinely a good user of eviolite when its evo was banned thanks to how retarded Rage Fist was.
>Ursaring
Bulky enough to make use of it with a sleep talk set.
>Duraludon
Fucker is already built like a tank and has a chunky 120 Sp. Atk, unless its evo has ungodly bulk it will make good use of eviolite.

Really the biggest issue with the argument against eviolite right now is that Knock Off is back and a lot of shit gets it, and eviolite users have a lot more to lose from getting knocked off compared to other mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 14:00:00 No.54495504 Report

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>>54487058
>the most overrated held item in /vp/ history
>didn't mention lefties

Literally only LC players say this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 14:13:14 No.54495578 Report

Quoted By: >>54495594

>>54487090
Room Service is genuinely a God awful item. It's promising surface level but you either already the slowest mons possible with minimal speed investment or it doesn't even matter because that speed decrease only works once anyways and there isn't many mons that can take advantage of it, and if they do VGC has comps have ways to trigger that without the use of a item slot.

Should've been a Trick Room extender rather than a 1 time speed decrease IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 14:16:11 No.54495594 Report

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>>54495578
Also it's outclassed at what it does by power items of all things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2023 15:02:50 No.54495843 Report

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>>54495472
>Was genuinely a good user of eviolite when its evo was banned thanks to how retarded Rage Fist was.
If it was it wouldn't be RU.
>Bulky enough to make use of it with a sleep talk set.
Again, bulky enough to do this in NU.
>Fucker is already built like a tank and has a chunky 120 Sp. Atk, unless its evo has ungodly bulk it will make good use of eviolite.
It also has Light Metal and Heavy Metal as its abilities and no moves. Archaludon has Stamina.

You are precisely the kind of shitter I was talking about.

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