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Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:38:30 No.54523106 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54523129 >>54523140 >>54523206 >>54523218 >>54523229 >>54523242 >>54523399 >>54523615 >>54524626 >>54524635 >>54524649 >>54524707

>Casually makes a shitmon that 2 year olds from 2002 can beat almost invincible even in Ubers.
Can terafags stop gaslighting themselves into thinking it’s balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:41:09 No.54523129 Report

Quoted By: >>54523634

>>54523106
>A kid named Alolan Ninetales:

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:42:20 No.54523136 Report

Quoted By: >>54523152

Remove Pokemon
Can now power creep to max knowing full well said Pokemon wont be in this gen
Play a fan battle sim where said Pokemon can be used
My elo is what ever number you find funniest

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:43:18 No.54523140 Report

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>>54523106
ok now show me in the game where you can acquire a shedinja to terastalizd

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:45:34 No.54523152 Report

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>>54523136
Came to say this. Shedinja is cut for a reason. What OP is complaining about makes no sense. Might as well fly from America to Russia and complain you don't think the laws are fair.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:54:48 No.54523206 Report

Quoted By: >>54523660

>>54523106
You are already playing an unofficial meta that is 'optimized' by fans to sort Mons in to categories of relative strength. If you don't like the relative strength of the tier you are playing then there are literally dozens of alternative tiers and formats that exist for this reason.

Also this isn't even new tech, Typeless Shedinja as a gimmick has been around forever - in both Smogon and VGC. It's counters are well known and explored. If you're playing in a tier that permits Typeless Shedinja, then you bring a situational counter (weather/rocks/status) or don't and accept that you're hard countered by a gimmick - safe in the knowledge that they still probably have a pretty low win rate because it is just that - a gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:57:33 No.54523218 Report

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>>54523106
>almost invincible
why are you buying into smogonbaby rationale?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Sep 2023 23:59:22 No.54523229 Report

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>>54523106
that comment in the image perfectly illustrates the sort of person who plays smogon metas and complains about what's in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 00:01:05 No.54523242 Report

Quoted By: >>54523378

>>54523106
Does nothing in Ubers run status or hazards?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 00:23:44 No.54523378 Report

Quoted By: >>54523690

>>54523242
>sends in first to deal with hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 00:28:04 No.54523399 Report

Quoted By: >>54523594

>>54523106
Wouldn't Zekrom, Reshiram and their Kyurem analogs be able to beat it with their Mold Breaker copies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:10:07 No.54523594 Report

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>>54523399
Yes, but none of those are very good in AG afaik

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:15:54 No.54523615 Report

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>>54523106
Wonder Guard is broken "completely useless or you instantly win" game design, so obviously it should be banned if abusing it ever became a viable strategy (as it is in alternative formats that would enable it like AAA)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:19:10 No.54523634 Report

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>>54523129
oh cool, something that only works if you teach it Hail because Snow Warning summons snow now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:23:46 No.54523660 Report

Quoted By: >>54523668

>>54523206
the response to every complaint cheeky gimmicks is "if it's that big a problem, bring a counter" but smogtards don't want a solution, they just want to bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:25:13 No.54523668 Report

Quoted By: >>54523679

>>54523660
Needing to bring a specific counter for specific dominant strategies is called overcentralization. That's exactly what banlists and tiers were designed for. The meta is literally functioning as intended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:25:28 No.54523672 Report

Quoted By: >>54523690

Excadrill used Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:26:58 No.54523679 Report

Quoted By: >>54523709 >>54523743 >>54524602

>>54523668
gimmicks, by definition, are not overcentralizing
also bringing shit to counter other shit is the way a meta forms in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:29:02 No.54523690 Report

Quoted By: >>54523694

>>54523672
air balloon
>>54523378
roar

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:29:57 No.54523694 Report

Quoted By: >>54524730

>>54523690
Excadrill used Rapid Spin

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:33:45 No.54523709 Report

Quoted By: >>54523724 >>54524609

>>54523679
>gimmicks, by definition, are not overcentralizing
Things are not true just because you assert them. Gimmicks that mean you lose without a specific answer become dominant strategies, and dominant strategies are over-centralizing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:36:04 No.54523724 Report

Quoted By: >>54523727

>>54523709
>Things are not true just because you assert them.
yes they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:36:45 No.54523727 Report

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>>54523724
Based retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 01:39:47 No.54523743 Report

Quoted By: >>54524613

>>54523679
>gimmicks, by definition, are not overcentralizing
Gimmicks tend to be "my entire strategy relies on this One Cool Trick working instead of actually playing the game," and if that trick is reliable enough and there isn't reasonably effective counterplay then it breaks your entire metagame
Gimmicks can also just be inherently anti-competitive like running OHKO moves, abusing overpowered effects like evasion and Sleep, or having a Pokémon with the ability "If you're not running one of these specific forms of counterplay I immediately win the game"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:17:01 No.54524602 Report

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>>54523679
>bringing shit to counter other shit is the way a meta forms in the first place
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:18:13 No.54524609 Report

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>>54523709
>Gimmicks that mean you lose without a specific answer become dominant strategies
false
>dominant strategies are over-centralizing
that has never stopped smogon before for the council's pet favorites

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:19:28 No.54524613 Report

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>>54523743
>instead of actually playing the game
childish smogontranny cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:24:46 No.54524626 Report

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>>54523106
I refuse to believe the tier where 9000 different variations of Mold Breaker exists has any problems with Shedinja. The only thing the bug ever accomplished was laughing at anyone who relied on Kyogre

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:26:48 No.54524635 Report

Quoted By: >>54524645

>>54523106
Ubers? What the fuck are you talking about? Shedinja isn't in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:30:11 No.54524645 Report

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>>54524635
It's natdex, literal fanfic meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:31:36 No.54524649 Report

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>>54523106
>almost inviniclbe
>in Ubers
Even off the top of my head
>Solgaleo
>Lunala
>Reshiram
>Kyurem
>Necrozma
>Mega Gyarados
>Excadrill
all of which aren't even some niche thing that solely exists to hard counter it also
>anything with Weather

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:45:17 No.54524707 Report

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>>54523106
>Pokemon (not in the game btw) is designed to be most volatile Pokemon where it’s immune to everything besides SE and indirect damage where it’ll die to said options
>Mechanic that lets you change your weaknesses makes it broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:49:46 No.54524730 Report

Quoted By: >>54524734

>>54523694
Rapid Spin deals damage and thus would be negated by Wonder Guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Sep 2023 04:50:46 No.54524734 Report

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>>54524730
Forgot about Mold Breaker, disregard this.

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