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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:17:24 No.54592524 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54592589 >>54592603 >>54592732 >>54594141 >>54594402 >>54595134

>make a dex full of deliberately underpowered mons relative to the carelessly op stuff that came before it
>still end up with the fewest unviable shitmons within your gen's metagame of all the regions
Hoenn / Gen III deserves to be celebrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:33:12 No.54592585 Report

Quoted By: >>54592608

Meganium and Tropius deserve better and I don't give a shit what the shitposter army has to say. Especially Meganium since it's a starter for fucks sakes and it's complete bullshit that a starter Pokemon has to be outclassed by NFEs by a long shot. Stop making Pokemon weak for the sake of it because of a shitty overdone trope where herbivores are docile cattle that only exist to die.

Aurorus deserves better too, suck it shitposters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:34:23 No.54592589 Report

Quoted By: >>54592621

>>54592524
You just contradicted yourself. gen 3 clearly weren’t made “deliberately underpowered” or else it would have the most unviable shitmons
Also, what “carelessly OP stuff”? Only about 5 or so Pokémon in Gen 1 and literally only Snorlax in Gen2 can be considered “carelessly OP”

Also how the fuck are you defining “shitmon” here? Meganium was UU at worst in Gen 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:36:47 No.54592603 Report

Quoted By: >>54592613

>>54592524
Dewgong was definitely good in Gen 1.
>Victreebel
oh never mind this thread is bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:37:21 No.54592608 Report

Quoted By: >>54592615 >>54593262

>>54592585
Tropius was given 99 HP to cuck it out of unbreakable substitutes
Meganium sucks moreso because lack of moves than anything else really

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:38:51 No.54592613 Report

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>>54592603
OP seems to be specifically referring within the context of the Gen3 meta game (though they’re probably still wrong)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:39:47 No.54592615 Report

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>>54592608
>Meganium sucks moreso because lack of moves than anything else really
Meganium may have gotten Pollen Puff according to the datamine but let's be honest with ourselves. Pollen Puff isn't enough. Meganium needs more than that like Leaf Guard going straight to Hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:39:55 No.54592616 Report

Quoted By: >>54592626

why did you make a new thread faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:41:02 No.54592621 Report

Quoted By: >>54592933

>>54592589
>You just contradicted yourself
nope
>gen 3 clearly weren’t made “deliberately underpowered” or else it would have the most unviable shitmons
just because you're underpowered doesn't mean you're an unviable shitmon
see Sableye for example
>Also, what “carelessly OP stuff”
Blissey, Skarmory, Forretress, Alakazam, Gengar, to name a handful
stuff with nigh broken stats and maybe even given godly movepools / abilities / typings on top of that
Hoenn had the least minmaxed mons
>Also how the fuck are you defining “shitmon” here? Meganium was UU at worst in Gen 3
unviable in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:42:38 No.54592626 Report

Quoted By: >>54592642

>>54592616
because that was a gay anti-hoenn thread nobody cares about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 04:47:45 No.54592642 Report

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>>54592626
fair enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 05:04:45 No.54592732 Report

Quoted By: >>54592767 >>54592789

>>54592524
>linoone, swellow, pelipper, zangoose, seviper, ludicolo, camerupt, grumpig, altaria, torkoal without sun, relicanth, lunatone, solrock, mawile and sableye without megas, whiscash, sharpedo, wailord, kecleon, absol, castform, glalie, gorebyss, huntail, banette, swalot, slaking
>anything but absolute dogshit useless garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 05:12:32 No.54592767 Report

Quoted By: >>54592792

>>54592732
those are all usable and potentially or proven viable, though more than a few right at the borderline, unless you have specific objections to make

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 05:18:14 No.54592789 Report

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>>54592732
>glalie
You're just trying to summon them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 05:19:02 No.54592792 Report

Quoted By: >>54592838 >>54593335

>>54592767
Most are either slow and frail, have no good moves, have a shitty typing, have bad stats all around, have terrible abilities, or all of that combined. Unless you're taking lower tiers into account, which fair enough, some can be used in or have a niche. But most like Castform and Linoone for example are totally unsalvageable, some of the most mediocre-to-garbage mons you can have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 05:33:11 No.54592838 Report

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>>54592792
>Most are either slow and frail, have no good moves, have a shitty typing, have bad stats all around, have terrible abilities, or all of that combined.
doesn't matter quite as much as you'd imagine it does
>Unless you're taking lower tiers into account
no, strictly contemporary gen3ou
>But most like Castform and Linoone for example are totally unsalvageable
castform could be used in weather thanks ti changing typing while still having above average coverage
Linoone is definitely far from unsalvageable thanks to Belly Drum, Extreme Speed, and its speed, and you singling that one out of all others is highly suspect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 05:58:47 No.54592933 Report

Quoted By: >>54592940 >>54592944

>>54592621
>worrying about Smogon tiers
That's a dumb way to define what's a shitmon and what isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 06:01:00 No.54592940 Report

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>>54592933
as opposed to the campaign designed to be beatable by 6 year olds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 06:01:24 No.54592944 Report

Quoted By: >>54593006

>>54592933
Being unviable in fucking ZU can be quite telling.

And never forget how much of a hideous piece of shit gen 2 and its remakes were towards Chikorita.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 06:21:38 No.54593006 Report

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>>54592944

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 07:53:26 No.54593262 Report

Quoted By: >>54593321

>>54592608
Ironically, at level 50, Tropius's subs are 51 HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 08:13:31 No.54593321 Report

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>>54593262
Game Freak failed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 08:24:00 No.54593335 Report

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>>54592792
Like the other dude said, you singling out Linoone shows you have no idea what you’re talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 08:28:04 No.54593343 Report

Quoted By: >>54594305

Forget meta, Chikorita is borderline unviable in the actual main game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 13:14:41 No.54594141 Report

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>>54592524
Murkrow, Volbeat, and Illumise are all viable in doubles. Prankster, specifically with Tailwind, is just that big a deal. Surprised Gamefreak hasn't made Tailwind negative priority like Trickroom yet, the speed control on this move has been broken for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 13:45:17 No.54594237 Report

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fearow is fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 14:05:56 No.54594305 Report

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>>54593343
>actual main game
ROM hacks are your friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 14:27:17 No.54594402 Report

Quoted By: >>54595009 >>54595130

>>54592524
>yet another smogontard thread
Can't you cunts just make a general already? That would be much easier to filter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 16:32:47 No.54595009 Report

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>>54594402
what's the alternative for old gens hm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 16:53:52 No.54595130 Report

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>>54594402
already tried to before to contain them, got 0 replies. smoggies just want to shit up the board and for everyone to know how insufferable they are.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 16:55:20 No.54595134 Report

Quoted By: >>54595184

>>54592524
If I could pick a 'mon from each listed Gen to get buffed in some way
>Gen 1: Flareon
>Gen 2: Meganium
>Gen 3: Mightyena

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 17:05:54 No.54595184 Report

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>>54595134
Meganium being buffed would make me less pissy about the franchise.

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