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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 14:01:47 No.54635697 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54635763 >>54638199 >>54638307 >>54638322

Next-level autistic changes edition

Notable Games:
>https://pastebin.com/H1KdYApR

Pokémon Essentials
>Download (v21):https://www.mediafire.com/file/r7mo54xbg5xqlli/
>V21 Hotfixes:https://reliccastle.com/resources/1308/
>Changelog:https://essentialsdocs.fandom.com/wiki/Change_log
>Wiki:https://essentialsdocs.fandom.com/wiki/Essentials_Docs_Wiki

ROM Hacking:
>Making a GBA ROM hack:https://pastebin.com/bvSkBkev
>Gen 4-7 tools:https://pastebin.com/WvTzcdPR
>Disassemblies/Decompilations:https://github.com/pret/
>US Platinum source:https://github.com/gainax3/retsam_00jupc

Assets:
>Tilesets:https://www.mediafire.com/download/sd99pug37y4v4se/Ziddy%27s+DS+Style+Tilesets+RMXP+.rar
>Archived asset library:https://rheg.booru.org/
>WIP Gen 5 tiles:https://imgur.com/a/CiudS
>FireRed in RPG Maker:https://reliccastle.com/resources/193/

Notable fan game communities:
>https://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=289
>https://reliccastle.com/
>https://www.romhacking.net/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 14:13:23 No.54635763 Report

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>>54635697
rip venomoth you were like a brother to me farewell bitch

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 15:01:08 No.54635992 Report

Quoted By: >>54636013 >>54636086

In the spirit of this thread, I decided to make my own changes to the exp gain formula. Starting in gen 5, gamefreak added an extra factor to this formula (red function in the picture). This is the factor that decreases exp when you defeat a lower leveled pokemon while increasing when you defeat a high leveled pokemon. Something that bothered me about this factor is that it's not "shift symmetric." What I mean is that the multiplier for defeating something say 10 levels above you actually changes depending on what your level is. If your level is 5 and you defeat something that's level 15, you can see in the pic that the exp multiplier is about 2.05.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 15:05:34 No.54636013 Report

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>>54635992
If your level is 55 and you defeat something that's level 65, you can see in this pic that the multiplier goes down. It's now about 1.20. To fix this, I came up with a new multiplier (green function) that accomplishes the same thing (modified exp gain based on the opponent's level relative to yours) but the penalty/reward only depends on the difference in levels. In both pics, you can see that the multiplier for defeating an opponent 10 levels above you is always about 1.28.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 15:24:15 No.54636086 Report

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>>54635992
>>54636013
Some possible issues with this:
For a given level L, the range of values for the new multiplier tends to be smaller than that of the old one. I suspect this means the "rubberbanding effect" will be weaker; i.e. the levels of your team and the enemies in the nearby area won't be as homogeneous. It's possible gamefreak intended for it to work this way given how enemy levels in BW tend to be very close to yours, but this isn't something that I care about. Another thing this means is that there's generally less penalty for grinding on weaker pokemon. This could either be good (grinding before a boss is easier) or bad (player gets overleveled too easily). I'll have to test it to know for sure.

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 18:59:56 No.54637236 Report

Quoted By: >>54637329

saving this thread from dying early again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 19:13:37 No.54637329 Report

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>>54637236
It does for a reason faggot
Next time let it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 19:24:13 No.54637400 Report

Quoted By: >>54637641

Is there a way to add emerald features to firered like moving pokemon or the battle frontier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 20:02:57 No.54637641 Report

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>>54637400
>battle frontier
Should be doable. There are c files in the emerald decomp for each facility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 20:40:59 No.54637870 Report

Quoted By: >>54638185

Anything actually fun come out recently? I'm tired of the trend of these stupid competitive hacks branding themselves as "QoL" being made for the garbage youtube challenges crowd. I want to play an RPG, not a Smogon Simulator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:35:02 No.54638185 Report

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>>54637870
Odyssey is pretty good, but it's only halfway done

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:37:22 No.54638199 Report

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>>54635697
So true, also this

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:45:10 No.54638245 Report

Quoted By: >>54638268

Something I have been working on for QTdex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:47:40 No.54638268 Report

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>>54638245
Cool, looks like it's not abandoned then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:53:31 No.54638307 Report

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>>54635697
The Venonat > Butterfree switch is whatever, but Caterpie > Metapod > Scyther is stupid. You go from a caterpillar to a cocoon to a praying mantis, just because they're all green?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:54:46 No.54638322 Report

Quoted By: >>54638364 >>54638711

>>54635697
The Venonat > Butterfree switch is whatever, but Caterpie > Metapod > Scyther is stupid. You go from a caterpillar to a cocoon to a praying mantis, just because they're all green ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 21:56:48 No.54638341 Report

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>>54636086
Did some calculations on stat differentials at different levels for the same Pokemon. Using Mawile as an example, without IVs, EVs or Natures, the total stats at level 5 and 15 is 73 and 162. Then at level 55 and 65 the stat total is 406 and 492. So with the total stats in mind, it seems that a +10 level opponent at level 5 would be about 2 times as powerful while at level 55 it would be about 1.2 times as powerful. This lines up with the experience multiplier from BW.
You didn't explain what the values in the new multiplier mean. The graph looks almost linear, so I would recommend changing it to a factor times the level difference. It would be simpler and produce almost the same results.
I like the concept since it makes it easier to raise new Pokemon for your team. To not penalize grinding you could fix the multiplier to not apply to weaker opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 22:01:48 No.54638364 Report

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>>54638307
>>54638322
Shut up
It makes perfect sense and I'm adding it to my hack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 23:02:21 No.54638711 Report

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>>54638322
The joke is a misdirection, with the change usually being to make it Venomoth at the end of the Caterpie line.
The fact such a joke eludes you is ok, but definitely a little concerning.
Then again, I did qualify the thread as extreme autism edition, so that's on me

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 23:39:45 No.54638962 Report

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What?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 23:40:46 No.54638968 Report

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So cool!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 23:42:27 No.54638973 Report

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Huh? You too?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 23:43:28 No.54638978 Report

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Just as Arceus intended

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