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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 19:44:22 No.54656757 View View Reply Original Report

Why were 15 types chosen for the first games?

A player hypothetically could cover 80% with 12 per team, excluding unequal type interactions and stab.
I'm just wondering if they ever gave a reason or if it's mathematically self evident. Is there any recommended reading material for understanding this? Any directions would be much appreciated.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 21:07:33 No.54657183 Report

Quoted By: >>54657666 >>54657702 >>54657733 >>54657770 >>54658796

>>54656757
Helix chamber has a hypothesis that, originally there were no types, then they added the special types for flavor and realized there were a lot of Pokémon that didn't fit nicely into the existing elements so they started adding the rest of the types from there in the order they are in the index data

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 22:19:25 No.54657666 Report

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>>54657183
Thanks man. Never would have heard of them otherwise. Only number I had to go on was the teams of 6 judoka, which doesn't seem to correlate to type variety

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 22:24:11 No.54657702 Report

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>>54657183
what order is that?

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 22:28:43 No.54657733 Report

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>>54657183
I didn't know this was a theory. I thought it was just a fact. Types are very clearly an afterthought in gen 1's design, where almost every move is Normal.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 22:34:15 No.54657770 Report

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>>54657183
How late were types added? The wacky movepools and terrible assortment of viable stab moves makes it seem like this came after they already made most of the moves. Now that I think about it ghost type must have been a pretty late addition with how year and buggy it is

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2023 22:57:45 No.54657921 Report

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>>54657770
Around 1993 or maybe 1994. You can kinda see in the index number for Pokémon when they started thinking about typing

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 00:03:47 No.54658246 Report

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>>54657770
>>54657921
For reference, that's about a year after Tajiri scrapped the Capsule Monsters project and re-focused it under Pocket Monsters name. And two before they delivered it at end of 1995.
It's only "late in development" if you're the type of idiot who thinks they spent 6 whole years trying to birth Pokémon instead of fucking out the three years prior work and starting anew.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 01:18:51 No.54658639 Report

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>>54658246
Ninja basically. They put their designs in and they started working on what they wanted to do and one of the things seems like they came up with was that they wanted a rock man style rock paper scissors type chart. You can see in some images taken before this how some Pokemon ended up being revised to have more obvious typing. Ivysaur is the one that I think of the most. It goes from just being kind of a generic frog kaiju to something more akin to whar we know today

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 01:20:18 No.54658651 Report

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>>54656757
It insures variety and that it's virtually impossible to have a perfect catch all team.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 01:48:05 No.54658781 Report

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>>54658651
Sure, but thats also true for 13 types, or 17, or 19, or more. The development information is probably why, but I was curious if they were using optimizing for certain distributions humans are inclined towards like pink noise or exceptions

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 01:50:18 No.54658796 Report

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>>54657183
>originally there were no types, then they added the special types for flavor
was this before they settled on the physical/special dichotomy for attacks based on type? i imagine if there were no types, then special probably wasn't even a stat at that point

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 01:52:40 No.54658808 Report

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>>54658781
They weren't optimizing for anything. Shit just happened.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2023 02:42:04 No.54659029 Report

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>>54658796
Basically all the special types were added then the physical types of the index order is anything to go by

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