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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:33:53 No.54755421 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54755427 >>54755436 >>54755503 >>54755529 >>54755533 >>54755537 >>54755563 >>54755613 >>54755700 >>54755965

Remind me why doubles have not become the basic standard for Pokemon gameplay by now.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:35:27 No.54755427 Report

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>>54755421
because its overrated compslop.
also colosseum and XB are dogshit games

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:36:22 No.54755430 Report

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Because you are not the market they develop the game for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:37:54 No.54755436 Report

Quoted By: >>54755443 >>54755448

>>54755421
too difficult for children

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:39:53 No.54755443 Report

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>>54755436
Not challenging children is what leads to future generations being more retarded than the last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:41:33 No.54755448 Report

Quoted By: >>54755450 >>54755454 >>54755552 >>54755564

>>54755436
>too difficult for children
artificial difficulty like Evice being 10+ levels above your team while using unobtainable Pokemon isn't good design

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:42:30 No.54755450 Report

Quoted By: >>54755456

>>54755448
Unironic skill issue.
I bet you got filtered by Lance in GSC.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:43:54 No.54755454 Report

Quoted By: >>54755462

>>54755448
>WAHHH WAHH WHY DOES THE RPG BOSS HAVE BETTER HP AND STATS THAN MY CHARACTERS SO UNFAIRRRRR

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:44:02 No.54755456 Report

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>>54755450
Lance is way more manageable than Evice without item abusing lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:45:25 No.54755462 Report

Quoted By: >>54755476

>>54755454
>spend hours upon hours grinding for Evice if you DARED to use more than six Pokemon throughout your playthrough

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:48:12 No.54755476 Report

Quoted By: >>54755481

>>54755462
And yet you probably bitch when later games wipe that problem away with the EXP Share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:49:34 No.54755481 Report

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>>54755476
I don't like it not being a toggle anymore as Pokemon isn't properly designed around it imo, but as an option it's perfectly fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:49:42 No.54755482 Report

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>click battle stadium
>click doubles
>get infinite double battles
wow that was hard, I'm glad I'm not a retarded campaignshitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:54:50 No.54755503 Report

Quoted By: >>54755535

>>54755421
Because doubles are not good unless you build your team around doubles.
You won't be doing that in a basic campaign.

Battle Tower doubles exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 04:59:20 No.54755529 Report

Quoted By: >>54755953 >>54755974

>>54755421
>Intimidate
>Fake Out
>Parting Shot
>High BP Singular Move
because it's completely retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:00:25 No.54755533 Report

Quoted By: >>54755866

>>54755421
Gen Alpha kids don't like to think

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:01:04 No.54755535 Report

Quoted By: >>54755545

>>54755503
>Because doubles are not good unless you build your team around doubles.
Which people would be doing if the game was centered around doubles, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:01:15 No.54755537 Report

Quoted By: >>54755547 >>54755553

>>54755421
The turns take too long as well as they’re being too many trainers to host, better question is why haven’t teams haven’t been cut to 3 pokemon max by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:03:00 No.54755545 Report

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>>54755535
It's too much of an ask for people to build a doubles team while playing the base campaign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:03:10 No.54755547 Report

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>>54755537
>t. fried dopamine receptors

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:03:38 No.54755552 Report

Quoted By: >>54755571

>>54755448
Evice is manageable. The only hard thing is the skill swap Slaking/Slowking combo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:04:03 No.54755553 Report

Quoted By: >>54755574 >>54755659

>>54755537
>why haven’t teams haven’t been cut to 3 pokemon max by now.
Because that is fucking dumb.
What they should do is have Gym Leaders work like Pokemon Stadium.

Both people bring 6. You pick 3 to fight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:06:00 No.54755563 Report

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>>54755421
autistic need to stick to tradition

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:06:12 No.54755564 Report

Quoted By: >>54755580 >>54755598

>>54755448
>bosses having challenge in video games is bad design
how much do you want to bet this poster is a mouthbreather who thinks bw2 is the peak of game design

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:07:43 No.54755571 Report

Quoted By: >>54755586

>>54755552
Ironic considering people endlessly cry about Pokemon games being too easy, but the minute the FINAL BOSS starts showing any semblance of strategy he's considered "too much".
I got filtered by Dakim's Earthquake strategy when I was a kid, and only overcame him by asking myself "what am I doing wrong?" and making appropriate changes to my team. Something modern Pokemon games would never make you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:08:59 No.54755574 Report

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>>54755553
Great to hear we don’t like being roadblocked by stupid challenge battles in pokemon to progress a story, same here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:10:40 No.54755580 Report

Quoted By: >>54755591

>>54755564
>DURRRRRR, THIS GUY DOESN'T LIKE CHALLENGE!
I fucking love the difficult and often unfair NES platformers. Evice just level gapping you because the game's progression is shit isn't good design

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:12:19 No.54755586 Report

Quoted By: >>54755590

>>54755571
>making appropriate changes to my team.
forgot to mention I had to catch every Pokemon (no matter how much of a hassle that ends up being) or grind my current party for hours just for my "strategy" to work btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:14:05 No.54755590 Report

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>>54755586
>he doesn't catch 'em all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:14:07 No.54755591 Report

Quoted By: >>54755615

>>54755580
What do you think the point of levels are?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:15:17 No.54755598 Report

Quoted By: >>54755608

>>54755564
B2W2 is one of the harder games in the series though, this makes no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:17:43 No.54755608 Report

Quoted By: >>54755620

>>54755598
If being easier than literally game except gen 6 counts as “one of the harder games” then yeah I guess you’re right

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:19:06 No.54755613 Report

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>>54755421
Because doubles goes against the "making your playthrough personal" significance of choosing your starter by immediately requiring you to take on a second Pokemon, as well as the fundamental building blocks of the game's campaign, I.E. the Rock Paper Scissors formula, which suddenly becomes far more complicated because now both players can use two hands per round.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:19:15 No.54755615 Report

Quoted By: >>54755637 >>54755640 >>54755677

>>54755591
A progression scale that only poses a challenge for the player if they don't grind or have knowledge beforehand rather than actually "getting good". Battle Facilities are a mess, but the challenge they pose is more genuine than Evice just suddenly level gapping you while also having a full team of great Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:20:22 No.54755620 Report

Quoted By: >>54755677

>>54755608
Every single other game is much fucking easier than B2W2. Although, Gen 5 is still easy compared to most other RPGs
The only game that even comes close is Platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:24:08 No.54755637 Report

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>>54755615
Cute how the Colosseumfags got assmad about me criticizing their game's shitty final boss as a reason to why "doubles suck" rather than just refuting me by mentioning a good game like GoD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:24:23 No.54755640 Report

Quoted By: >>54755661

>>54755615
What percentage of the playerbase only play our games just to roleplay like idiots on stream, let’s keep catering to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:26:59 No.54755659 Report

Quoted By: >>54755673

>>54755553
Tell me you haven’t played a modern pokemon game without telling me. The modern games allow you to access the PC anywhere, fixing your dumb exp share whining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:27:41 No.54755661 Report

Quoted By: >>54755794

>>54755640
>roleplay like idiots on stream
The Twitch Pokemon community is primarily comprised of streamers doing challenge runs, but sure use that as the boogeyman for why Game Freak doesn't design their games like Genius Sonority in 2003.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:29:54 No.54755673 Report

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>>54755659
>fixing your dumb exp share whining.
what the fuck are you even talking about?
That was my first post in this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:31:12 No.54755677 Report

Quoted By: >>54755685 >>54755703

>>54755620
> Every single other game is much fucking easier than B2W2
In USUM the dragon-type boss that’s the second to last boss in the game is a pseudo with maxed out EVs, +1 to every stat, and has a Noivern I have to fight simultaneously that’s using Screech every turn so it one shots my Pokemon

In BW2 the dragon-type boss that’s the second to last boss in the game is an NPC with dogshit AI that sends out three shitmons with 0 EVs and awful movesets one at a time in a row

please get an actual argument instead of continually screeching that your game is good with zero facts to back it up

>>54755615
>A progression scale that only poses a challenge for the player if they don't grind
So why are you whining that levels are giving you a challenge?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:32:34 No.54755685 Report

Quoted By: >>54755690 >>54755948

>>54755677
>USUM
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:33:28 No.54755690 Report

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>>54755685
>no argument to defend his shit games
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:34:31 No.54755700 Report

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>>54755421
Doubles are shit. Guarantee you most people who beg for Doubles never touch VGC so I’m glad they never get a Doubles mainline game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:34:37 No.54755703 Report

Quoted By: >>54755713 >>54755735

>>54755677
>So why are you whining that levels are giving you a challenge?
I shouldn't be able to grind my way out of a challenge, and if that's what the game is asking out of me, they fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:35:44 No.54755713 Report

Quoted By: >>54755738

>>54755703
>I shouldn't be able to grind my way out of a challenge
Why does it matter if you don’t have to grind?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:39:01 No.54755735 Report

Quoted By: >>54755747

>>54755703
Grinding is never mandatory in any Pokemon game. It is simply an option that players have if they want to overpower the opposition through sheer numbers.

If you "have" to grind at any point during the main story, you fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:39:09 No.54755738 Report

Quoted By: >>54755743

>>54755713
You do unless you're
>Item spamming
>Knowledgeable beforehand of the NPC's team and their strategy
>Winning via RNG rolls

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:40:27 No.54755743 Report

Quoted By: >>54755766

>>54755738
>You do
Ah, so you're just fucking terrible at games made for toddlers and you're seething that you got filtered. Never mind.

Why don't you go back to playing Gen 5? I think it might be more your speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:41:29 No.54755747 Report

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>>54755735
>Grinding is never mandatory in any Pokemon game. It is simply an option that players have if they want to overpower the opposition through sheer numbers.
Good thing the discussion is about a non-mainline game made by self-admitted clueless devs
>If you "have" to grind at any point during the main story, you fucked up.
>If you didn't prepare your team for the entirety of the game around this battle that you wouldn't have any foresight in a blind playthrough, you fucked up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:43:45 No.54755763 Report

Quoted By: >>54755790

>retard wastes exp on multiple johto shitmons and wonders why he's underleveled
>retard doesn't know what light screen or reflect do and wonders why he takes too much damage
>retard doesn't know what status moves do and wonders why he's at a disadvantage
many such cases

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:44:10 No.54755766 Report

Quoted By: >>54755768

>>54755743
>you're seething that you got filtered.
How did I get filtered when I beat the game?
So far you haven't provided any counterclaims as to why Evice being 10+ levels above your team of shitty Johtomons is actually good design, so I'm just to interpret that as you don't have anything substantial to say in this discussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:44:46 No.54755768 Report

Quoted By: >>54755779

>>54755766
>above your team of shitty Johtomons
You were the one who chose to do that. Why are you whining about being punished by your own bad decision making?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:46:24 No.54755779 Report

Quoted By: >>54755786

>>54755768
You can't know without a guide that the boss would be like that.
That's not a valid point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:48:36 No.54755786 Report

Quoted By: >>54755801

>>54755779
But you do know without a guide that wasting exp on a bunch of Pokemon is less effective unless you're a retard.

...you aren't a retard, are you anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:48:55 No.54755790 Report

Quoted By: >>54755844

>>54755763
>don't use certain Pokemon. Why? Because they're bad because the game wasn't designed around you using them
>stall tactic that'll crumble if you're not using an optimized team
>another stall tactic that's reliant on item spamming
Keep bringing up Unova though despite me never mentioning it or even indicating I thought those piss-easy games are well designed for the NPCs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:49:51 No.54755794 Report

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>>54755661
But at launch, were they pushing sales? If they don’t FOMO on pokemon that’s not our problem they chose to complain about the same thing last gen if the games were to be designed like in 2003.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 05:50:13 No.54755801 Report

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>>54755786
>But you do know without a guide that wasting exp on a bunch of Pokemon is less effective unless you're a retard.
I agree. Colosseum would've been a better game with the Gen 6 EXP Share being a toggle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:00:01 No.54755844 Report

Quoted By: >>54755857

>>54755790
>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT
>I-I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE...I JUST CAN'T
This is why you're bad at games made for toddlers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:03:28 No.54755857 Report

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>>54755844
>I HECKIN' LOVE ABUSING ITEMS TO WIN! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THAT STRATEGY CAN BACKFIRE IF I DON'T SAVESCUM?!
Thankfully Genius Sonority redeemed themselves with XD after the mess that was their first Pokemon outing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:06:15 No.54755866 Report

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>>54755533
They don’t have to because they have a team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:30:13 No.54755948 Report

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>>54755685
>USUM
The reason you think it’s shit is because you didn’t get the Salamence in the beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:32:06 No.54755953 Report

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>>54755529
>defiant and competitive

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:34:10 No.54755965 Report

Quoted By: >>54755971

>>54755421
>release two game versions
>one is single battles only
>the other is double battles only

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:35:59 No.54755971 Report

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>>54755965
release two game versions, make them significantly different release both as 15 dollar dlcs for the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2023 06:36:28 No.54755974 Report

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>>54755529
God forbid people have to actually use moves that aren't "100% accurate high damage coverage move with 10% chance of status"

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