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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:00:58 No.54770787 View View Reply Original Report

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What went wrong with villain teams? Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?

In my day bad guys wanted to destroy the world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:01:55 No.54770794 Report

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>>54770787
>In my day bad guys wanted to destroy the world
lol gay zoomer.
gen 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 have the only good teams

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:03:17 No.54770800 Report

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>54770794
weak bait

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:04:31 No.54770805 Report

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>>54770787
You forgot Lusamine's and Neo Macros Teams

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:06:04 No.54770810 Report

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>>54770794
Fake

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:06:56 No.54770816 Report

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>Rocket shot itself in the foot by trying to be the mob but also being literal bioengineers so neither side can be satisfied
>Magma had an actual point but retarded execution, Aqua was straight up retarded
>Galactic was straight up retarded
>Plasma could have been the best if they didn't make it so obvious they were villains
>Flare was literally Rich Kids Funding Genocide
>Skull was interesting for taking the angle of youth in revolt but they ended up being patsies for Lusamine
>Yell were just football hooligans/simps
>Star was half-baked but there was an idea of how academia can fail students

They're all kinda bad. Manga Plasma was probably the best we got.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:09:43 No.54770830 Report

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Teams wanting to destroy the world are fucking cringe and Aqua/Magma and Galactic are objectively awful teams that make no real sense, especially Galactic, though at least Aqua is so insane it loops around to being humorous. The teams going from thugs in gen 1 to terrorists is also a symptom of Masuda's "chosen one" writing, making the legendaries central to the plot which cheapens the appeal and makes the player character the second coming of christ. Awful.

I'm glad they figured out a good middle ground around Gen 7, Team Skull was really good, but sadly they kept trying to repeat Team Skull afterwards resulting in the joke that is Team Yell.
Team Star is barely an evil team but that's because SV has way more other shit going on with its antagonist and legendary so it gets a pass imo.

For me it's something like
1/2=5 > 7 > [Power Gap] > ORAS 3 > 9 [everything behind this fucking sucks] > 6=4=3 > 8 for both Yell and that other team.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:11:26 No.54770840 Report

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>>54770830
Cool blurb.

Could have just admitted you have no taste tho

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:12:16 No.54770843 Report

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>>54770830
>he teams going from thugs in gen 1 to terrorists is also a symptom of Masuda's "chosen one" writing, making the legendaries central to the plot which cheapens the appeal and makes the player character the second coming of christ. Awful.

Why do people keep forgetting that Giovanni and Blaine ran a gene splicing lab in Cinnabar to make a literal bioweapon? Rocket was never grounded.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:14:54 No.54770858 Report

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>>54770843
I'm sure the wet dream of any mafia is to get better and better weapons, retard. There are no guns in the Pokeworld.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:15:56 No.54770862 Report

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>>54770858
The Safari Zone episode is right there.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:16:05 No.54770863 Report

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>>54770787
The demographic for Pokémon has always been children. The problem is that children are becoming much less intelligent every year. They can't digest or comprehend even the childish philosophical meaning behind the old villains.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:17:01 No.54770872 Report

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>>54770843
Which retcon headcanon is this? GIovanni never has any actual connections to Mewtwo in the original games, people just started pairing up the two together because of the anime, It took some 20 years for Giovanni and Mewtwo to actually be seen together in a Pokemon game and that's some fucked up AU version I don't give a shit about.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:25:15 No.54770917 Report

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>>54770872
>calls it headcanon only to say it happened in the anime in the same sentence

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:25:46 No.54770919 Report

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The stakes got out of control in Gen 3 - 6
Team Skull was reasonably liked

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:28:21 No.54770928 Report

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>>54770843
>ran a gene splicing lab in Cinnabar to make a literal bioweapon
Seems pretty grounded for a game about supernatural fighting monsters

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:29:04 No.54770931 Report

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>>54770787
it peaked with Galactic honestly

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:30:24 No.54770939 Report

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>>54770787
>Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?
Truth bomb, coming through: Low-stakes stories are more compelling, not less.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:32:53 No.54770952 Report

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>>54770919
>The stakes got out of control in Gen 3 - 6

I liked the chaos. Mc felt important and like a hero. Newer games just make u feel like an npc

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:34:45 No.54770957 Report

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>>54770917
yes because game canon and anime canon are exactly the same
holy fuck bros wheres the crystal onix, real life mongoose, or baby lugia. fucking retard, the old anime did whatever the fuck they wanted and are a wildly different take on pretty much everything from the games and walking into a thread based on the games discussion and going "but the anime did x!", ESPECIALLY in regards to the gen 1 anime, should get you laughed out of the room.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:36:46 No.54770965 Report

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>>54770872
>caring about canon in the most disjointed, made-up-as-it-went-along franchise in history

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:38:54 No.54770980 Report

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I think Emerald had the right approach, you weren't the chosen one, you were just at the right place at the right time to stop Team Magma and Team Aqua who were both in over their heads, the fact that you only need to visit Sky Pillar instead of catching any of the Weather Trio fortified this. As much as I like Gen 5 I think it really went to shit there since if you didn't want to catch the game's legendary at the story's climax you had to go out of your way to do so, and it was straight up impossible not to catch the legendary in XY/ORAS and since.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:42:42 No.54770998 Report

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>>54770939
This. Saving the world is an overused, boring trope. I would much rather save a small town in a game than the whole world.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:44:53 No.54771011 Report

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>>54770830
>I have a critical lack of imagination so any antagonist with big ambition is automatically bad, villains should never try to be anything but glorified bullies who want my lunch money. I don't understand a thing about history either so this is realistic to me.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:45:02 No.54771012 Report

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>>54770787
Magma and Aqua are one of the dumbest teams. If they were in the newer games everyone would be rightfully shitting on them

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:49:31 No.54771039 Report

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>>54770952
>I liked the chaos. Mc felt important and like a hero
You know what I can respect that.

>Newer games just make u feel like an npc
I think this is very true of SM, since you have no business in the Lusamine problem and are pushed into the middle of it.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 22:13:32 No.54771177 Report

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>>54770787
Literally only one wanted to do that.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 01:19:00 No.54772068 Report

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>>54770952
>I liked the chaos.
What do you mean, chaos? The only slightly-chaotic bit I can think of was in RSE when the box legends were on the loose.
>Mc felt important and like a hero.
We had very different experiences. The most heroic I've ever felt in a Pokémon game was in GSC.
>Newer games just make u feel like an npc
That's for sure. Alola might have been good if not for that.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 01:20:41 No.54772080 Report

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>>54770816
I like that they’re retarded. I just like the world-ending stakes.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 01:21:56 No.54772088 Report

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>>54770787
They aren't woke enough.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 01:31:45 No.54772134 Report

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>Completely run Orre.
>Do crime out on the open.
>Turn pokemon into feral killing machines.
>Physically beat people up.
>Make a lot of money because they run the colosseums.
>Use Team Snagem as patsy's to take most of the blame.
For me it's Cipher

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 04:20:20 No.54772859 Report

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>>54770787
Because they stopped making the real villains, but in crossovers they have to use these goons because they have uniformed footsoldiers.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 04:22:06 No.54772863 Report

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>>54770787
>Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?
because they started to finally start writing good stories instead of reskinning the same slop from gen 3 nauseam

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Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 04:55:18 No.54772981 Report

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>>54770952
>Mc felt important and like a hero.
The main characters have always been extremely mishandled. GameFreak turns them into blank slates because they're too lazy to write legitimate main characters.

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