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gen 3 is in a limbo, I really only think that it can be grouped with gen 4
but I do believe that natures, abilities, and generally better movepools lead into modern design than early gen design. does anything run normal moves anymore?

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 06:20:20 No.54779967 Report

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>>54779906
holy souly

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 06:37:42 No.54780007 Report

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>>54779926
Fake Out
Protect
Roar
Whirlwind

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 07:03:01 No.54780052 Report

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>>54779906
It's not Nugen, but it's not in the same category as gens 1 and 2 either. Gen 6 is when I would argue when nugen starts, but it still feels different from gen 8's and 9's type of nugen.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 07:13:59 No.54780073 Report

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>>54779926
I get your point but I feel gen 2 as distant mechanically from gen 1 as 3 is from 2. It had the special stat split, held items, 2 new typings, many battle fixes that stayed through the series (Hyper beam mechanics, crits rework, etc), breeding and friendship... I think Gen 1 to 4 exist in a continuum of generational changes, while 5 was the first to decisively break with the past and 6 onwards consolidated the change

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 08:09:16 No.54780193 Report

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>>54780073
I think each of the first four gens are pretty great to play, honestly. they each have a real sense of game design where you can kind of understand how diversity and limitations were considered
I love the later gens, too, but they really feel like kitchen sink designs. a little bit of restraint is good.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 08:18:57 No.54780210 Report

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>>54780073
Gen 5 had basically zero changes from Gen 4 mechanically. It's mostly the arrangement of those mechanics that are different, which can lead to some issues occasionally. Compare that to Gen 6 with the major change to type matchups and the thing that would eventually codify the generational gimmicks designed to sell toys and the difference becomes obvious. That's not to say there's no crossover with the design decisions between Gen 5 and 6, but 3 and 4 also significantly contributed to the process that got us there and Gen 7-9's different directorial style sent things in a bit of a different direction anyway. I think honestly the major contributing factor to what is and isn't modern Pokemon is the release schedule more than anything, especially with how it negatively impacted Gen 7-9. It doesn't help that it took until Legends for them to make major changes to a significant number of the Pokemon models, they were using the same base quad models and probably the same source textures from XY to BDSP.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 08:24:27 No.54780223 Report

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>>54779924
It's Gameboy Advance > DS > 3DS
Gen 3 and Gen 4 connect.
Gen 4 and Gen 5 connect.
Gen 5 and Gen 6 connect (Until Bank shuts down)

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 08:38:06 No.54780255 Report

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>>54779906
Don't know how to tell you this, but DS is old now.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 09:19:16 No.54780361 Report

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>>54779906
>Gens 1-2
Classic
>Gens 3-5
Golden
>Gens 6+
Modern
Though arguably, Gens 6-7 can be considered Silver Age now.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 09:22:53 No.54780370 Report

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>>54779906
Actually, all Pokemon games are old gen because they're on a Nintendo system
>NINTENDO Game Boy
>NINTENDO Game Boy Color
>NINTENDO Game Boy Advance
>NINTENDO DS
>NINTENDO 3DS
>NINTENDO Switch

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 09:58:00 No.54780450 Report

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>Gen 1
Not Genwar Bait
>Gens 2-7
Genwar Bait
>Gens 8-9
Nu-Genwar Bait

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 10:14:33 No.54780480 Report

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>>54780361
Lol 8 and 9 are better games than 6 and 7

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 10:34:36 No.54780520 Report

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>>54780480
8 has 0 remediable qualities.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 12:06:49 No.54780723 Report

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>>54779906
>Classic Era
RBY/GSC
>Advanced Era
RSE/FRLG/DPPt/HGSS
>Flux Era
BW/B2W2/XY/ORAS
>3D Era
SM/USUM/SWSH
>Open Era
SV

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 12:11:24 No.54780728 Report

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>>54780480
I quit SwSh two hours in, gigantamax is one of the worst and laziest things ever.
And of course dexcut but /vp/ is always contrarian about that.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 13:08:09 No.54780807 Report

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>>54780480
Only 9

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 16:21:39 No.54781480 Report

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GBC Era
DS Lite Era
3D Era

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 16:24:28 No.54781488 Report

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>>54780210
gen 5 is a gen 4 romhack

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 16:29:00 No.54781510 Report

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>>54780073
Gen 2 is a direct sequel to gen 1, so it will always be grouped with it. Gen 3 is when the new generation new region etc. formula became standardized.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 16:35:16 No.54781545 Report

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I think the best way is just to have more categories instead of trying to force larger groups with stretches
>old
Gen 1
>transitional old
Gen 2
>new
Gen 3
Gen 4
>transitional new
Gen 5
>nu
Gen 6
Gen 7
>transitional nu
Gen 8 (SwSh, BDSP)
>post-nu
Gen 8 (LA)
Gen 9

It has nothing to do with quality, which is where a lot of people get stuck. Focusing more on design ideas and dev interviews gives a pretty clear view of what they were thinking during each game, which is a better way of dividing them.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 16:39:45 No.54781578 Report

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>>54780193
Personally I think 5 is about the same mechanically and is a lot better than 3 and 4, but this seems controversial to say around here for some reason.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 16:54:44 No.54781653 Report

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hey i have that gba
modded an ips screen into it, fucking love it

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 17:07:00 No.54781729 Report

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>>54779926
IMO you can divide Pokemon into

Retro: Gen 1 + Gen 2 1996-2001
The days of Pokemania

Classic: Gen 3 + 4 2002-2009
The post Pokemania days of the 2000s

Post Classic Gen 5: 2010-2012
The stagnation

Modern: Gen 6 + 7 2013 -2021
The downfall

Post Modern: Gen 8 + 9 2022 - Current
How we got here

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 18:08:01 No.54782161 Report

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>>54779924
>skipping GBC

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 18:10:27 No.54782179 Report

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>>54781488
Gen 2 is a Gen 1 ROM hack
and Gen 3 sprites are very similar to Gen 2

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 18:10:39 No.54782181 Report

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>>54781729
t. Born in 1999

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Gen 3 is not Nugen because it’s on a Gameboy System not a DS system.